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| Kabouik | Guys, I want to delete the cache of a Dalvik app, where should I find it? | 00:08 |
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| javispedro | hmm, osnews.com review | 00:26 |
| javispedro | [...] "However, Jolla has promised that the entire operating system - including the UI - will be open source" | 00:27 |
| javispedro | and quotes a random tweet from jollamobile | 00:27 |
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| * javispedro hopes thom will ensure jolla keeps on that `promise' | 00:28 | |
| Yaniel | they have not said when ;) | 00:28 |
| Yaniel | and it might very well be "upon written request"-opensource | 00:29 |
| javispedro | ... that would put in the level of android/aosp at least. | 00:30 |
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| Yaniel | reflash? | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | `reflash' as in `dd' | 00:34 |
| Yaniel | some sort of hacky backup? | 00:34 |
| javispedro | yep | 00:35 |
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| javispedro | aaaaaand thom madeeee the "meamo" ttyypoooo arrrrrrrrrrrrrghh | 00:45 |
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| rangoy | Anyone who has an idea about when the upcomming update will be avaliable? Seen som hints that it will come within january, any clues? | 06:51 |
| Pnuu | I'll check | 06:52 |
| Pnuu | >>> random.random() | 06:53 |
| Pnuu | 0.22357410858002635 | 06:53 |
| Pnuu | oh, must be close, as it was 0.71 yesterday! | 06:53 |
| tbr | very soon™ | 06:53 |
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| rangoy | Pnuu: oh.. so close? Can't wait :) | 06:55 |
| ztane | :P | 06:57 |
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| Gordon` | hi | 07:49 |
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| shaggycat | hi all! | 07:53 |
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| Gordon` | My Jolla can’t boot anymore… Yesterday, it shut down with about 20% battery, then I plugged it with the sector adapter, and since, it doesn’t boot | 07:58 |
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| Gordon` | while plugged, the “in charge” logo shows, but when I try to start it, nothing comes | 08:00 |
| iekku | Gordon`, do you try to start it while plugged? | 08:00 |
| rangoy | Gordon`: tried thje recovery? http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-news/my-jolla-doesn't-boot-anymore/msg2765/#msg2765 | 08:01 |
| Gordon` | also, while *not* plugged, and after a complete night charging, I sometimes manage to show the Jolla logo, then shuts down again | 08:01 |
| Gordon` | thanks for the link, I’m reading it | 08:01 |
| iekku | have you removed battery? | 08:02 |
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| Gordon` | yes | 08:04 |
| iekku | ok | 08:04 |
| iekku | then rangoy's link might be really helpfull | 08:04 |
| Gordon` | I’m trying it, but the usb0 interface doesn’t show up… | 08:05 |
| shaggycat | i want replacement of my Nokia N900. Is Jolla phone with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535&page=11 can be used comfortable in terminal? | 08:05 |
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| ar | shaggycat: the qwerty otherhalf is still just a prototype. | 08:06 |
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| shaggycat | ar: you mean, it's can't be used? | 08:08 |
| ar | shaggycat: i'm not sure if the guy who's making it has the electronics ready | 08:09 |
| shaggycat | and.. is any smartwatch integration with Jolla OS? | 08:09 |
| Gordon` | when I plug the Jolla to my computer in recovery mode, my dmesg sees it as a rndis device, but doesn’t enable usb0 | 08:09 |
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| Gordon` | that interface correctly worked previously | 08:09 |
| Gordon` | ho | 08:09 |
| Gordon` | it’s now in eth1 device | 08:10 |
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| rangoy | shaggycat: terminal on jolla is great, but with keyb toh it would ne awesome (on screen irssi from my jolla now) | 08:13 |
| Gordon` | okay. I did a factory reset, and the phone no | 08:13 |
| Gordon` | now starts* | 08:13 |
| Gordon` | thanks a lot iekku | 08:13 |
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| AL13N_work | guys | 08:15 |
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| AL13N_work | for people who go to FOSDEM: there'll be NO SNOW | 08:16 |
| shaggycat | GTK soft tottaly not work? | 08:16 |
| AL13N_work | contrary to earlier reports | 08:16 |
| AL13N_work | faenil: ^^ (and others) | 08:16 |
| iekku | :D last year i shoot photos of flowers there | 08:16 |
| faenil | morning! | 08:16 |
| faenil | AL13N_work, yeah thanks :) | 08:16 |
| AL13N_work | temps are about 2°C in the morning | 08:16 |
| faenil | I'm a bit worried there is emergency river today in Pisa! | 08:17 |
| AL13N_work | around 6°C during the day | 08:17 |
| faenil | https://twitter.com/valesiuslp/status/429165080614162432/photo/1 | 08:17 |
| AL13N_work | looks like it | 08:18 |
| AL13N_work | but, if you're in brussels, you won't have a problem with the river :-) | 08:19 |
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| mike7b4_web | HI, my Jolla is now reboot looping :-/ and recover with volume down seems not work :/ | 08:30 |
| mike7b4_web | When connect to linuxbox it find my Jolla and setup eth1 without address/netmask and when I set it manually to: sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.42.18 netmask 255.255.255.0 up and telnet to 192.168.42.17 I get Unable to connect? | 08:31 |
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| special | developer mode usually appears on 192.168.2.15 | 08:31 |
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| special | unless you've changed it? | 08:31 |
| mike7b4_web | special: not changed, but still no go with telnet 192.168.2.14 | 08:32 |
| special | 15, not 14 | 08:32 |
| mike7b4_web | ahh ifconfig ...14 and telnet 15 yeh seems to work.. lets see... | 08:33 |
| mike7b4_web | trried recover mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument [ERROR] Can't mount '/dev/mmcblk0p28' to '/mnt' | 08:34 |
| faenil | AL13N_work, the problem is how to get to bruxelles | 08:37 |
| faenil | "The flood will arrive between 10 and 12" | 08:37 |
| faenil | and my flight is at 11:40, and the only to reach the airport is by crossing the freaking river | 08:37 |
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| tango_ | faenil: get there an hour early | 08:39 |
| faenil | all bridges but one are closes already...got to make a call to see if public transport is still working :/ | 08:39 |
| faenil | closed* | 08:39 |
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| pawky|3 | duh... I did a "cpan Moose" and got 'Usage:gzip...' followed by '02packages.details.txt.gz does not contain a Line-Count header...' | 08:44 |
| pawky|3 | is perl broken? | 08:44 |
| pawky|3 | ... on the jolla | 08:44 |
| pawky|3 | it seems cpan is using a '-q' parameter that doesn't exist in the busyboz version of gzip :-( | 08:48 |
| pawky|3 | any suggestions how to fix this? | 08:48 |
| pawky|3 | s/busyboz/busybox/ | 08:49 |
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| Sail0r | jolla does not use busybox | 08:54 |
| pawky|3 | then why is it installed??? | 08:54 |
| Sail0r | for me a normal bash starts up | 08:54 |
| pawky|3 | pkcon busybox remove will give "Fatal error: This request will break your system!" | 08:55 |
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| Sail0r | rpm -q --what-requires busybox | 08:56 |
| pawky|3 | --what-requires is an unknown option... | 08:57 |
| Sail0r | try it without - in the middle | 08:57 |
| pawky|3 | noticed.. | 08:58 |
| pawky|3 | gzip + dhcp | 08:58 |
| pawky|3 | well "pkcon remove busybox-symlinks-gzip" at least gave me my gzip back :-) | 09:00 |
| pawky|3 | But it seriusly disslikes doing the same with dhcp... | 09:00 |
| Sail0r | interesting they use bash as std shell | 09:00 |
| pawky|3 | Sail0r: yes, makes me very happy | 09:01 |
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| Sail0r | but rely on busybox for gzip | 09:01 |
| Sail0r | very strange ^^ | 09:01 |
| pawky|3 | Sail0r: i threw that one out, but it still wants dhcp due to usb-moded | 09:02 |
| pawky|3 | Sail0r: I mean, it wants busybox for dhcp due to usb-moded | 09:03 |
| Sail0r | yep it's using the dhcp server which is provided by busybox | 09:03 |
| pawky|3 | Sail0r: thus, we can conclude Jolla uses busybox then :-) | 09:03 |
| Sail0r | yep ^^ | 09:04 |
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| AJAX555 | oh, jolla goes assembly 2014? | 09:10 |
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| jukkaeklund | AJAX555 yep | 09:14 |
| AJAX555 | too bad I can't get there | 09:14 |
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| TheBootroo | #join #sailfishos | 09:18 |
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| gabriel9|work | anyone have some nice headset to recomend for jolla? | 09:38 |
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| pawky|3 | http://www.pretaktovanie.sk/obr/sluchatka/saitek_gh20/img00big.jpg | 09:39 |
| AJAX555 | that reminds me.. I need to pair my old nokia bluetooth headset to jolla.. | 09:39 |
| pawky|3 | :-D | 09:39 |
| gabriel9|work | lol | 09:39 |
| AJAX555 | pawky|3: those are actually good | 09:39 |
| AJAX555 | except I have two broken ones | 09:39 |
| AJAX555 | lol | 09:39 |
| pawky|3 | you will communicate loud and clearly :-) | 09:39 |
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| gabriel9|work | i was thinking something "normal" | 09:40 |
| Tofe | gabriel9|work: that's not very "unlike" ! | 09:41 |
| pawky|3 | http://oldheadphones.com/crystal/phones/bldwins.jpg | 09:42 |
| pawky|3 | as these have been used a lot during the years, I consider them as 'normal' :-D | 09:42 |
| gabriel9|work | XD | 09:44 |
| gabriel9|work | is this used to shock therapy? | 09:44 |
| AJAX555 | odd thing just happened | 09:44 |
| AJAX555 | volume button doesn't do anything | 09:44 |
| AJAX555 | and volume remains at 100% | 09:44 |
| gabriel9|work | i hope there will be update today | 09:45 |
| gabriel9|work | to fix all this bugs | 09:45 |
| pawky|3 | I got a weird update yesterday, but the firmware is still 1.0.2.5 ... something about bug fixes... | 09:46 |
| ballock | ls -l | 09:46 |
| ballock | sorry :) | 09:46 |
| pawky|3 | ballock: lots of files.... | 09:46 |
| mike7b4_web | I guess if you get this when try recover: "mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument [ERROR] Can't mount '/dev/mmcblk0p28' to '/mnt'" there is now way to fix? | 09:47 |
| pawky|3 | why does cpan give me "This distribution requires a working compiler at Makefile.PL" | 09:47 |
| pawky|3 | Isn't perl fully installed on the jolla? | 09:49 |
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| flux | it probably needs a gcc? | 09:52 |
| pawky|3 | flux: I am working on it ;-) | 09:52 |
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| grzywacz | So, how's life with jolla? :) | 10:19 |
| tachikoma | awesome | 10:19 |
| Sail0r | awesome :) | 10:21 |
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| Jey | Hi there | 10:21 |
| Acce | pawky|3: I got a pair of headphones like the ones you posted :D not sure if they work though | 10:22 |
| grzywacz | Awesome for hacking or for everyday use? I'm trying to figure out what the battery life is going to be if I get one, ignoring the NFC bug. | 10:22 |
| tachikoma | awesome for both in my case | 10:22 |
| tachikoma | battery runtuime with moderate use is 2 -3 days for me | 10:23 |
| ballock | whois grzywacz | 10:23 |
| ballock | shit, wrong window again :D | 10:23 |
| tachikoma | and I love that i can just scan the pictures my kids paint and create memory games fr them with those | 10:23 |
| Acce | if you do not play with the device all the time, battery lasts 2 to 3 days yep | 10:23 |
| grzywacz | lol :D | 10:23 |
| tachikoma | i could not do that with android/iphone in such a short time and without signing up to some developer yaddayadda stuff | 10:24 |
| ballock | even with the bug it stays at least a day | 10:24 |
| Acce | and even if you play with it all the time, it lasts longer than any other device I've had | 10:24 |
| tachikoma | and i love the ui, the swiping stuff - once mastered, is just awesome. | 10:24 |
| Jey | Following my problem of yesterday (loop boot, just like mike7b4_web ), I contacted Jolla care | 10:25 |
| Jey | They seems pretty overloaded, when can I expect a answers? | 10:25 |
| tachikoma | it does have quite some bugs still - but being an opensource customer since for quite some years I can accept that, knowing that it will be fixed eventually | 10:26 |
| grzywacz | tachikoma, do you think they're serious about polishing the software for the current model, or is there going to be a new one soon? :p | 10:27 |
| ballock | In December the official statement was that they want to focus on the software and will think about new models afterwards. | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | i have used n800 and n900 since both were available and even those were done under nokia I have no concerns to get updates for the phone even in 2 years time | 10:28 |
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| tachikoma | maybe not from jolla, but other users, or i create some my own and send them upstream | 10:28 |
| grzywacz | Sounds good. | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | i mean, n900 still gets updates today from teh community around it and that one is now 4 years old | 10:28 |
| Tegu | if you want to have polished experience, then I would say wait | 10:29 |
| Tegu | and it needs a bit hacker mind to cope with the phone | 10:29 |
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| grzywacz | I want to have a usable experience without too much troubles out of the box. I'm fine with some hacking and firmware updates. ;) | 10:29 |
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| tachikoma | also - having a new model would not mean having a different os, I don't think jolla can do two os branches at the same time - what was the reason that n900 did not get the latest systems imho is mostly related to its really outdated hardware, lacking multitouch in particular | 10:30 |
| ballock | I was actually quite satisfied with the software state and did not need to do any hacking. | 10:30 |
| * ballock said while looking at Jolla's voicecall source package | 10:30 | |
| tachikoma | but I would also have bought that phone if it would just boot to a shell prompt - as long as there would be some commandline tool to make phonecalls with it ;) | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | I'm not your average smartphone customer i think | 10:31 |
| ballock | and the Polish translation is quite impressive | 10:32 |
| Tegu | using a phone commandline with a virtual keyboard is a bit clumsy imho | 10:32 |
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| * ballock was expecting something like what you see in desktop Linuxes | 10:32 | |
| ballock | (of course it doesn't help while in the command line, but that's a different story) | 10:33 |
| Acce | tachikoma: I would describe you as smartphone customer that actually uses the smartness :p | 10:34 |
| Acce | I see a lot of people around me do lots of manual work which could be automated with a simple script and be left for the machine to do | 10:35 |
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| tachikoma | yes, thats what i love about my n900 | 10:46 |
| tachikoma | i can script everything, even the packageinstallation and system configuration after a reflash | 10:46 |
| tachikoma | i even have the repartitioning scripted | 10:46 |
| Tegu | why do you need partitions btw? | 10:47 |
| tachikoma | i even documented all - basically for myself :) | 10:48 |
| tachikoma | http://jamballa.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/reflashing-my-n900/ | 10:48 |
| tachikoma | it's outdated though, but shows what the phone is capable of | 10:48 |
| tachikoma | and yes - the scripts are missing, mainly because i never found time to clean them up and remove stuff i'm not allowed to distribute, like the newer flash version and so on | 10:49 |
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| grzywacz | So, can you do stuff like trigger actions depending on the text of received SMS messages? | 10:55 |
| tachikoma | yes, or based on your location or which wlan is in range, or simply based on time | 10:56 |
| grzywacz | Sold. :D | 10:56 |
| tachikoma | It's not (yet) documented for the jolla phone though, but that should be only a matter of time | 10:56 |
| grzywacz | hm | 10:56 |
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| tachikoma | for n900 it looks e.g. like this: | 10:57 |
| tachikoma | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 10:57 |
| tachikoma | one can find out for jolla by oneself, that just takes bit longer and is more error prone | 10:57 |
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| tachikoma | currently I'm learning qml as that is really so straightforward to get some simple game working | 10:58 |
| grzywacz | ah, based on dbus. interesting. | 10:58 |
| tachikoma | yes, jolla uses dbus as well, so ... | 10:58 |
| grzywacz | So it's just a matter of looking at the messages? Nice. | 10:59 |
| tachikoma | It's just not compatible to a typical iphone user i guess | 10:59 |
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| roboro | for dbus stuff... there is a thread on tmo about dbus on jolla: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92303 | 11:07 |
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| chem|st | Acce: http://dostortugas.org/download/geeks-vs-nongeeks-repetitive-tasks.png | 11:08 |
| tachikoma | chem|st: this is also so true for QA .... | 11:09 |
| sharpneli | chem|st: http://xkcd.com/1319/ <- reality | 11:09 |
| Tegu | obligatory xkcd... slow me | 11:09 |
| Tegu | was just about to paste | 11:09 |
| chem|st | but reality looks some more like xkcd | 11:09 |
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| tachikoma | well, it depends I'd say | 11:10 |
| chem|st | for me at work mine applies | 11:10 |
| sharpneli | Depends. From time to time automation indeed takes over | 11:10 |
| tachikoma | it's also about who is doing it ;) | 11:10 |
| sharpneli | But in some cases "Oh shit those tards changed the system again. Cba to fixed the scripts this time" applies | 11:11 |
| tachikoma | yes, you have to evaluate the potential use beforehand | 11:11 |
| chem|st | for example I got outsmarted by dyndns with their 30days-login for free accounts | 11:11 |
| tachikoma | for n900 which i used now 4 years - it did completely work out | 11:11 |
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| sharpneli | Yup. It always depends. And in some cases it's hard to see it beforehand | 11:12 |
| tachikoma | for a fast moving target this might not be true | 11:12 |
| sharpneli | Not surprisingly reality is tad more complicated than what either picture implies ;) | 11:12 |
| tachikoma | stupid reality ... | 11:12 |
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| chem|st | it is also the balance of laziness and stress a task may have | 11:13 |
| chem|st | I hate reality | 11:13 |
| chem|st | but well, soon enough I will pay people for that instead of doing it my own | 11:13 |
| tachikoma | and - it does contribute to a "never touch a running system" attitude | 11:14 |
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| Acce | chem|st: :D | 11:14 |
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| chem|st | I heard for 90eur a month you can buy pretty any workforce you need | 11:15 |
| Acce | for some dollars a month, you can hire someone from China to do your daily job and you can just pretend you're doing it | 11:15 |
| Acce | if you code, that is | 11:16 |
| chem|st | no brains but that is probably good in a zomby apocalypse | 11:16 |
| tachikoma | that guy was awesome, I have to say that | 11:16 |
| tachikoma | i mean the one who let some chinese do his job | 11:16 |
| tachikoma | basically it was outsourcing the other way round | 11:16 |
| Acce | yep, he was brilliant | 11:16 |
| tachikoma | I'd immediatly made him a manager :) | 11:17 |
| chem|st | india - china does not matter if the job does not need any skill | 11:17 |
| tachikoma | such initiative :) | 11:17 |
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| Acce | If I could pay someone with lower wage I get paid, why not buy myself whole lot of freetime... | 11:18 |
| chem|st | a guy rationalising his own position at I think it was volkswagen got promoted - someone who is even willing to automate his own job and can actualy make it work needs to be in a managing position | 11:18 |
| Acce | but then I think again and realize I would just do what I do at my job even if I had freetime | 11:19 |
| chem|st | was a guy sorting tools in a box, he made a rack that made the tools fall in the right slot on their own... | 11:20 |
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| {cms} | jolla featured in a nice prominent article on news.bbc.co.uk today | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | oh? url? | 11:38 |
| {cms} | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25965140 | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:42 |
| svuorela | how do I get my phone to start receiving text messages again ? | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: that sounds .. peculiar | 11:44 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: yes. | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | anything interesting in the journal? | 11:44 |
| Waitee | min receives them automatically :D | 11:44 |
| Waitee | mine* | 11:44 |
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| svuorela | Waitee: so did mine until a week ago. | 11:44 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: how do I check ? | 11:45 |
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| svuorela | and what's the user name to login with when ssh'ing in ? | 11:46 |
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| Pnuu | nemo | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: devel-su; journalctl -f ; receive a sms | 11:46 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: seems like nothing is happening | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: hmmm | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: does it say delivered on the other side, ooi? | 11:52 |
| svuorela | it doesn't say delivered on the other side, no. | 11:52 |
| svuorela | or well. it says sent. | 11:52 |
| svuorela | with message confirmation report thing, it doesn't get that. | 11:52 |
| svuorela | oh. I got this, but looks like a ui thing. Jan 31 12:51:59 localhost jolla-messages[1203]: [W] unknown:26 - file:///usr/share/jolla-messages/pages/common/MessageChannel.qml:26: Error: Cannot assign [undefined] to QString | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | dbus-monitor --system & and dbus-monitor --session & | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | and if it appears there | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | just trying to identify where in the stack | 11:54 |
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| svuorela | http://pastebin.kde.org/pgimmul1l | 11:55 |
| svuorela | is what I got | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | hmm so nothing obvious | 11:56 |
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| svuorela | if I'm trying to send with deliveryreports from jollaphone, I_also don't get a delivery report | 11:57 |
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| svuorela | but sending texts work, receiving phone calls work. making calls work. using the data connection works. | 11:59 |
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| Sail0r | delivery report for sms? | 11:59 |
| svuorela | yes | 11:59 |
| Sail0r | the only thing which changed for me after enabling it is the very small text "delivered" underneath every sms text | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: i'm on really laggy wifi at brussels hotel, i'll be a bit slow :) | 12:00 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: ohh... hug everyone tonight from me. | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: /system/bin/logcat -b radio | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | (a lot of debug info) | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | and try to receive a sms | 12:04 |
| svuorela | http://paste.debian.net/79453/ | 12:05 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: that's what happened when trying to receive a sms | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: oh that looks interesting | 12:07 |
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| mornfall | so today we find out if a january update comes or not :-) | 12:08 |
| Pnuu | >>> random.random() | 12:08 |
| Pnuu | 0.04030462138897395 | 12:08 |
| TMavica | testing | 12:08 |
| Pnuu | VERY soon(tm)! | 12:08 |
| TMavica | pnuu, whats that? | 12:08 |
| TMavica | number | 12:09 |
| mornfall | TMavica: probabilit | 12:09 |
| mornfall | +y | 12:09 |
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| flux | the update will be released when the number reaches exactly zero? | 12:09 |
| Pnuu | ETA for the next update, just select the scaling and unit ;-D | 12:09 |
| TMavica | .... | 12:09 |
| TMavica | mostly wont hv.today | 12:09 |
| Pnuu | curiously enough, the random value has been monotonically decreasing | 12:09 |
| mornfall | lol | 12:10 |
| mornfall | it's broken! | 12:10 |
| mornfall | I blame the NSA. | 12:10 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: I'll be away for ~30 minutes. lunch. | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: enjoy | 12:10 |
| mornfall | It's however unlikely to drop any further. | 12:10 |
| TMavica | tomorrow is sat, if something if released today, it will br trouble | 12:10 |
| mornfall | TMavica: tomorrow is FOSDEM | 12:11 |
| vesqu_ | Pnuu, if its day 0.040... its about less hour | 12:11 |
| TMavica | I am far from europe, lol | 12:11 |
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| mornfall | maybe the fosdem discount is a substitute for a fosdem update :-) | 12:12 |
| rangoy | maybe they release it during their presentation.. (or in my dreams) | 12:12 |
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| pawky|3 | does anyone know what this is about when trying to install Crypt::OpenSSL::Random "Please specify prototyping behavior for Random.xs" | 12:36 |
| pawky|3 | (on jolla) | 12:37 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: any hints ? :) | 12:38 |
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| salami` | pawky|3: stupid question but do you have openssl libs installed? | 12:40 |
| pawky|3 | salami`: probably a very valid question.. :-) | 12:41 |
| FireFly | Pnuu: tomorrow random.random() will return a negative value :P | 12:41 |
| pawky|3 | FireFly: sounds a bit predictive to me... | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: congrats, seems like you found a bug .. :) | 12:42 |
| gabriel9|work | is it just me or should it be better to have horizontal swiping? | 12:43 |
| gabriel9|work | for main screens | 12:43 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: yay. | 12:44 |
| FireFly | gabriel9|work: horizontal push is taken by ambience switcher, horizontal in-screen swiping by cover actions | 12:44 |
| FireFly | if you mean in the homescreen | 12:45 |
| gabriel9|work | yes | 12:45 |
| slate | svuorela: damn you, now the update will be postponed? ;D | 12:45 |
| gabriel9|work | i could live without ambiance switcher | 12:45 |
| FireFly | I'd rather see something more frequently-used instead of faourite ambiences, but oh well :p | 12:45 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 12:45 |
| svuorela | slate: it is a bug in deployed code | 12:46 |
| svuorela | as in, on my phone. | 12:46 |
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| FireFly | gabriel9|work: I'd like it acting as the inverse of pushing from the side in an application, i.e. open last window | 12:46 |
| covox | fuck | 12:46 |
| gabriel9|work | and cover actions could use some hold and then action... | 12:47 |
| * covox just stoved in the front of his car | 12:47 | |
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| Tegu | hold for cover actions would make them horribly slow | 12:48 |
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| Tegu | while the point of them is he quick access | 12:49 |
| Tegu | *the | 12:49 |
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| pawky|3 | salami`: didn't do the trick... does it need the -devel package? | 12:51 |
| Tegu | anyway, accessing the last used app with a single swipe from the lock screen would be nice | 12:51 |
| pawky|3 | Will there be an option in the future to make the scrolling sideways insted of up down (which is much more logical, especially after using the N9 for ages...) | 12:52 |
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| nander | new update isn't rolled out yet? | 12:52 |
| Tegu | pawky|3: app launcher scrolling? ya would be nice, too | 12:53 |
| salami` | pawky|3: do you get any errors? | 12:53 |
| salami` | e.g. notes about missing libs | 12:53 |
| gabriel9|work | no updates | 12:53 |
| nander | I thought I read something about 1.0.3.3 on fb | 12:53 |
| pawky|3 | salami`: the same as before, its talking aobut wanting me to set prototyping behaviour for Random.xs :-( | 12:53 |
| artemma | Any speedups known about coming update? /me got tired rebooting just to scroll through instagram. Something slows down jolla a lot after it runs for a few hours | 12:54 |
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| gabriel9|work | day is not over yet :) | 12:54 |
| salami` | pawky|3: do you have libcrypt-openssl-random-perl libcrypt-openssl-rsa-perl? | 12:54 |
| pawky|3 | Tegu: yeah, I do understand Jolla had to differentiate from the N9, but being so used to the N9 its nuts it does thing in a new way | 12:55 |
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| pawky|3 | salami`: Crypt::OpenSSL::Random | 12:56 |
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| rangoy | still more than 1% left of january | 12:56 |
| pawky|3 | salami`: oh... hmm will check. | 12:56 |
| salami` | that perl module rquires those libs | 12:57 |
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| nander | I mostly hope we'll get SDL support ;) | 12:59 |
| salami` | still waiting for cordova... | 12:59 |
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| gabriel9|work | is there traceroute in sailfish? | 13:01 |
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| rangoy | gabriel9|work: at least tracepath | 13:03 |
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| gabriel9|work | will try | 13:15 |
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| chem|st | gabriel9|work: there are more things to come with ambiences so you might not want to loose that switch | 14:05 |
| chem|st | how about pinch to zoom like on the n9... a zooming out beyond 3x3 could trigger a covers only home-screen | 14:06 |
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| chem|st | so you don't loose anything | 14:06 |
| gabriel9|work | so many ideas | 14:06 |
| gabriel9|work | i had N9 until now | 14:07 |
| gabriel9|work | and that was perfect interface | 14:07 |
| chem|st | well I am fighting for keeping the UI like it is but enhancing with features instead of destroying useful bits | 14:07 |
| flux | gabriel9|work, hardly.. it was such a fresh air to use N900 for certain tasks after using N9 for so long, especially when I had Shortcutd installed that mapped the camera key half-press to task view :) | 14:08 |
| chem|st | if ambiences will be automated with profilematic I don't need any of the switcher positions as switcher, but until then it should stay as put! | 14:08 |
| flux | similarly I think jolla has some similar fresh approaches, but it's not yet complete.. | 14:08 |
| Raim | flux: oh yes, that half-press was really useful as an additional input on N900 | 14:08 |
| flux | how super-fast it was in N900 to return to the same app after turning off screen. it was just there when you opened the devcie with the switch :) | 14:09 |
| chem|st | flux: yes and people try to revert it back to what they know on together... are they so scared of change? | 14:09 |
| flux | raim, I wish phone vendors (ie jolla..) wouldn't save that 1 euro from that one button.. | 14:09 |
| Nicd- | so... is it out yet? :) | 14:09 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: nope | 14:10 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: if you read develML youd know | 14:10 |
| flux | chem|st, are the new approaches always better? | 14:10 |
| flux | basically I see UX design as "try something, if it works then it works" | 14:10 |
| flux | sometimes it doesn't work :) | 14:10 |
| chem|st | yeah but try new things instead of asking for the old rubber | 14:11 |
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| covox | if anyone is wondering how to activate the other half ambience without removing the cover, the answer is "have the phone on the passenger seat in a car crash" | 14:11 |
| chem|st | that sounds naughty^^ | 14:11 |
| chem|st | covox: oh are you ok? | 14:12 |
| chem|st | is the device ok? ;) | 14:12 |
| covox | chem|st: the device is fine | 14:12 |
| covox | it was thrown into the carpet of the footwell | 14:12 |
| Yaniel | that escalated quickly | 14:12 |
| covox | no injuries thankfully, it was only a 30km/h crash | 14:12 |
| chem|st | flux: so what would be your idea for >9 covers without using swipe from left/right | 14:12 |
| flux | chem|st, keep scaling them down, eventually the user realizes it's a bad idea to put infinite number of covers ;) | 14:13 |
| chem|st | or without replacing already taken gestures | 14:13 |
| flux | maybe apps could have different-sized covers | 14:13 |
| flux | mayeb multi-finger gestures could be used | 14:14 |
| chem|st | hmm multifinger sounds nasty but also a good idea | 14:14 |
| flux | actualyl I'm hoping someone would implement MyMoves to n9 | 14:14 |
| flux | oops to jolla I mean | 14:15 |
| AL13N_work | is there a way to detect the middlefinger gesture? | 14:15 |
| flux | but that would probably mean one would need to extend wayland first | 14:15 |
| AL13N_work | why not use the camera for gestures? :-) | 14:15 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: start coding! | 14:15 |
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| flux | unless it has the as suitable mechanism for capturing events as X had | 14:15 |
| AL13N_work | well, people have done this before, i'm sure | 14:15 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: there was the hand gesture alpha for n9 | 14:15 |
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| flux | the problem after getting it to work probably would be battery consumption :) | 14:16 |
| chem|st | but it was so simple... it detected being covered and direction of a movement | 14:16 |
| flux | it "worked" yes | 14:16 |
| flux | I wouldn't want to rely on it I think :) | 14:16 |
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| chem|st | don't know where the picture is "the end of usability" a guy sitting in front of a radio without moving ever as anything he does could change the station/volume or start the apocalypse | 14:17 |
| chem|st | voice activated, gesture driven, touch sensitive UI... the end of it all | 14:19 |
| Raim | flux: how about a "more-buttons-TOH"? ;) | 14:19 |
| flux | raim, shoulder buttons, yeah! | 14:19 |
| chem|st | Raim: eat your buttons! | 14:19 |
| flux | sadly the first qwertyprototypes don't seem to have them | 14:19 |
| flux | and the half-press-key for camera (and others) would be nice.. | 14:19 |
| chem|st | Raim: the idea is to get rid of fucking buttons and replace them with gestures saved in your muscle memory! | 14:19 |
| Raim | chem|st: yeah, I was just kidding | 14:20 |
| chem|st | Raim: sorry but that shit starts me | 14:20 |
| chem|st | people buying a phone to change its ui back to n9 or even fckg android | 14:21 |
| Raim | chem|st: it wasn't meant to upset you in any way. I am quite happy with Sailfish OS so far :-) | 14:21 |
| chem|st | yeah I'm calm np ;) | 14:22 |
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| chem|st | flux: I'd love to have Jolla produce the same design over and over again, with little tweaks here and there but toh stay for all of them the same | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | nice review in osnews, well written and everything | 14:25 |
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| mcfrisk | changelog for jolla update somewhere? | 14:32 |
| chem|st | together jan14 | 14:32 |
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| ggabriel | is there an update already? :D | 14:33 |
| mcfrisk | there is, at least my 1.0.2.5 says update is available. | 14:34 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: nope but on together some of the devs tagged with jan14 | 14:34 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: yup, saw that, 5 things as per yesterday | 14:35 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: where are you from? | 14:35 |
| gabriel9|work | mine shows nothing | 14:35 |
| gabriel9|work | and mine was ordered from Luxenburg | 14:36 |
| gabriel9|work | i live in BiH :X | 14:36 |
| VDVsx | mcfrisk, what's the update number ? | 14:36 |
| chem|st | ok the store app starts crashing again... so there might be something in the air... | 14:37 |
| mcfrisk | can't see the update numbers in gui, so don't know. Cant do it with 3g so will have to wait for home wlan. Hence asking for the changelog... | 14:37 |
| chem|st | gabriel9|work: it wont depend on where you ordered it | 14:37 |
| VDVsx | mcfrisk, why not ? :D number is always there | 14:38 |
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| Nicd- | they are doing final preparations for the update | 14:39 |
| Nicd- | it seems | 14:40 |
| mcfrisk | VDVsx: nope, can't see the update number. GUI shows that current is 1.0.2.5 and update is available. | 14:40 |
| Nicd- | https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/status/429261657831780352/photo/1 | 14:40 |
| VDVsx | mcfrisk, well :) that a known bug then, you didn't get anything new :) | 14:40 |
| mcfrisk | VDVsx: ah, that's the first time that happens to me :| been checking for the update past few days though. January almost over... | 14:42 |
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| Nicd- | damnit, connecting jolla in dev mode caused a kernel panic on my OS X | 14:46 |
| Nicd- | seems horndis crashed | 14:46 |
| Sail0r | lol | 14:47 |
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| artemma | okay, january update happened then | 14:50 |
| mornfall | artemma: did it? | 14:50 |
| * artemma will wait for info on stability before upgrading | 14:50 | |
| artemma | mornfall: according to Jolla chairman on twitter, 12min ago at least :) | 14:50 |
| artemma | I guess they don't roll out to everybody simultaneously though | 14:51 |
| Raim | artemma: read the replies, https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/status/429263644124139521 | 14:51 |
| roboro | nope... just checked for update on my jolla... nothing there | 14:51 |
| Tofe | nothing there either | 14:51 |
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| Sail0r | *waiting* | 14:52 |
| mornfall | artemma: just teasing, near future could still be weeks away :P | 14:53 |
| Sail0r | I hope the update servers are not going down after update shows up like last time | 14:53 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 14:53 |
| Pnuu | shall I produce another estimate?-) | 14:53 |
| Sail0r | yes please | 14:53 |
| Sail0r | xD | 14:53 |
| mornfall | will it rain today? | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | haha, so the update came out | 14:53 |
| Pnuu | >>> random.random() | 14:53 |
| Pnuu | 0.4395995032308142 | 14:53 |
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| mornfall | no, not coming today | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | i read conflicting messages then | 14:54 |
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| ggabriel | not that i'll be able to try anyway | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | so you'll have one fewer server hog | 14:54 |
| Sail0r | *g* | 14:54 |
| mornfall | aren't the updates hosted on cloudfront anyway? | 14:55 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: thanks, I'll check twice more to compensate ^^ | 14:55 |
| Sail0r | yep but it last time it went down ^^ | 14:55 |
| Sail0r | maybe no autoscaling on ^^ | 14:55 |
| Sail0r | which i understand because it also scales automatically on your credit card | 14:55 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 14:55 |
| mornfall | obviously... | 14:56 |
| * ggabriel hasn't gained too much love for cloudy stuff this week | 14:56 | |
| Pnuu | "Your Platinum Yendorian express card vanishes in a puff of logic! --more--" | 14:57 |
| mornfall | :D | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | Pnuu: that sounds like my credit card.. | 14:59 |
| mornfall | not nethack again? | 14:59 |
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| Pnuu | nethack, yay \o/ | 15:00 |
| Waitee | i suck at nethack :/ | 15:02 |
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| Pnuu | I used to be quite ok (ascended all races), but haven't played in years :-/ | 15:04 |
| Waitee | i've never won the game even with valkyrie | 15:04 |
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| jubo2 | Hiya.. I accepted the "change mood" when attaching TOH, how do I get my old theme back? Looked in Settingsbut didn't find it | 15:09 |
| roboro | jubo2: ambiences? | 15:11 |
| roboro | side swipe on the home screen | 15:11 |
| Pnuu | that'll only show favourite ambiences | 15:12 |
| jubo2 | roboro: doesn't work ( tried all 3 of home screen ) | 15:12 |
| roboro | mmm you can set ambiences in Gallery | 15:12 |
| chem|st | jubo2: the swipe from the side shows ambiences favoured only, go to gallery ambiences and mark the needed favourite (star, and dont forget to pull left to save the setting) | 15:12 |
| Pnuu | jubo2: check gallery -> ambiences | 15:12 |
| chem|st | jubo2: I told you to watch the video channel on youtube... | 15:13 |
| chem|st | jubo2: that is another RTFM^^ | 15:14 |
| chem|st | jubo2: as there is a bug in tohd.service you might want to mask it from your services (will stop changing ambiences with toh too) | 15:15 |
| Sail0r | my jolla is downloading something | 15:15 |
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| Sail0r | hm wasn't jolla update | 15:17 |
| Sail0r | just app update | 15:17 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 15:17 |
| roboro | lol | 15:18 |
| jubo2 | 'k got it.. favorited from gallery and then left-sweep to change theme | 15:19 |
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| Sail0r | jolla apps show updates available | 15:22 |
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| Sail0r | but i update them only after i did a system update ^^ | 15:23 |
| Sail0r | learned from last time :x | 15:23 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, that's a definite usability problem | 15:25 |
| Nicd- | in my opinion | 15:25 |
| Sail0r | maybe they learned from last time | 15:26 |
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| Sail0r | and it's no happening anymore | 15:26 |
| Sail0r | but I don't want to be the one to try | 15:26 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 15:26 |
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| nander | Still no 1.0.3.3 :( | 15:27 |
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| Pnuu | I bet it won't be 1.0.3.3 | 15:28 |
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| Sail0r | 1.0.3.7 | 15:29 |
| Sail0r | maybe? | 15:29 |
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| MellissaTheBest_ | http://j.gs/3Nkb !!! | 15:30 |
| MellissaTheBest_ | Oh, wrong channel | 15:30 |
| MellissaTheBest_ | Sorry Guys, Love you, Bye! | 15:30 |
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| Nicd- | damn spammers | 15:30 |
| matoking | I'm starting to hate this spambot | 15:30 |
| Sail0r | -.- | 15:30 |
| matoking | Wait | 15:30 |
| matoking | I already hated it | 15:30 |
| Sail0r | lol | 15:30 |
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| ggabriel | at least it said wc | 15:30 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: diversionary tactic | 15:31 |
| Nicd- | even more annoying than the usual since it joins many times and then spams 4 lines | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | anybody else in brussels for FOSDEM today? | 15:31 |
| Sage_ | o/ :) | 15:31 |
| Sail0r | nope sorry | 15:31 |
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| Nicd- | hehehe, now I have 1.0.2.5 available :D | 15:32 |
| Nicd- | even though it's installed | 15:32 |
| Sail0r | yeeeag | 15:32 |
| Sail0r | *yeah ^^ | 15:32 |
| Nicd- | maybe I checked one too many times | 15:32 |
| Sail0r | maybe they should make a contest | 15:33 |
| TMavica | it shouldnt have update todaY | 15:33 |
| Sail0r | the jolla which checked more often then the others get the update first | 15:33 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 15:33 |
| Nicd- | TMavica: based on what information? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | each time you check for an update, it gets postponed 1 minute. | 15:34 |
| Sage_ | :) | 15:34 |
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| joonahoi | Stskeeps: by the comments on this channel, the update will be coming around january 2042 | 15:36 |
| nander | It seems it only checks once per x minutes anyway | 15:36 |
| joonahoi | if that's the case | 15:36 |
| nander | sometimes it's waiting, sometimes it just stays at up to date here | 15:37 |
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| TMavica | Nicd- no information, just guess, LOL | 15:38 |
| Nicd- | TMavica: they've hinted pretty hard at today | 15:39 |
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| Sail0r | interesting my jolla shows app updates available the one from a friend does not | 15:41 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 15:41 |
| sremes | "pkcon get-updates" shows a lot of upgradable packages | 15:43 |
| Nicd- | hmm, better unmask my tohd | 15:45 |
| Sail0r | on the together they said that the masked tohd is not a problem for update | 15:45 |
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| mikma | nicd-: now.. let's make that as bear grylls -meme, shall we? | 15:45 |
| mikma | nicd-: "UPDATE IS COMING! BETTER UNMASK MY TOHD!" | 15:46 |
| mikma | or, game of thrones -meme | 15:46 |
| Sail0r | lol | 15:46 |
| Sail0r | an aliendalvik update is showing | 15:47 |
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| Sail0r | current: aliendalvik-0.5.8-4.armv7hl update: aliendalvik-0.7.1-2.armv7hl | 15:48 |
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| Nicd- | mikma: sorry, never seen bear grylls | 15:49 |
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| Nicd- | based on the pictures wouldn't that be "Update is coming. Better drink my own piss!"? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | also, guys, if something is indeed coming, please, for the love of god, use the built in update method, not command line | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not going to clean up the mess :P | 15:50 |
| TMavica | O, maybe I am wrong, update will happen today, sorry | 15:50 |
| mikma | hehe | 15:50 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: they get to keep all the pieces ;) | 15:51 |
| Tofe | My estimation app did forsee this ! At least in one of the proposed scenarios... | 15:51 |
| mornfall | foresee what? | 15:51 |
| mikma | stskeeps: hey. regarding of the soon(tm), do we need to unmask and start the tohd or can we let it be and update will handle it? | 15:51 |
| Sail0r | I am only looking for updates and not updating from command line ;). Because I don't want my phone get broken ^^ | 15:51 |
| Tofe | mornfall: the update timing | 15:51 |
| Nicd- | yay, tohd.service enabled | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | mikma: well, you guys disabled it, i guess you should reenable it, :P | 15:52 |
| Nicd- | mikma: I would - and did - unmask it just to be sure | 15:52 |
| Sage_ | mikma: if you have masked it you need ot unmask it yourself, though it shouldn't break anything but it will most probably be still masked even after update. | 15:52 |
| Tofe | Nicd-: unmask + reboot | 15:52 |
| Nicd- | Tofe: why reboot? | 15:52 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: you guys broke it, I guess you should fix it :P | 15:52 |
| mikma | that just means i need to pop my holla into charger, just in case | 15:52 |
| Tofe | Nicd-: because otherwise the service is still not started | 15:52 |
| Nicd- | mornfall: it wasn't broken, it was a feature | 15:52 |
| Nicd- | Tofe: I just started it with systemctl | 15:53 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: orly? :P | 15:53 |
| Tofe | Nicd-: well, yes, I'm just being extra-careful, but I agree it's sufficient. | 15:53 |
| roboro | mornfall: indeed... it was the battery drain feature | 15:53 |
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| Sail0r | this feature was powered by <insert battery manufacture here> ;) | 15:54 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: so is the builtin updater going to write all over my conffile changes? :P | 15:54 |
| Tofe | Sail0r: I'm sure some baby seals died because of this | 15:55 |
| Sail0r | better have a backup @ mornfall ;) | 15:55 |
| mornfall | either way, rolling an update on Friday at the end of office hours is pretty adventurous :-) | 15:57 |
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| Tegu | nobody has confirmed it :P | 15:57 |
| Tofe | mornfall: in addition, think that some Jolla people will be giving a conference the next day! | 15:57 |
| Tegu | (I think( | 15:57 |
| Sail0r | sounds like my company | 15:58 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 15:58 |
| mornfall | although maybe the idea is to catch most people stuck in rush hour on 3G to ease it for the servers :P | 15:58 |
| Sage_ | mornfall: office hours? | 15:58 |
| mornfall | Sage_: well, it's 5pm, most people leave office around this time don't they? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: yeah, quite happy i'm not in any way related to relase processes.. | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:59 |
| Sage_ | mornfall: office? | 15:59 |
| grzywacz | Leave? | 15:59 |
| Tegu | timezones? | 15:59 |
| Tofe | Week-end ? | 15:59 |
| * Sage_ is confused what mornfall is talking about | 15:59 | |
| mikma | mornfall: depends when they came in and do they have "pekkaspäivät" or "työajanlyhennys" ;D | 15:59 |
| mornfall | Sage_: I have read about it on the Internet | 16:00 |
| TMavica | stskeeps, any idea when other new input method? | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | TMavica: which one in particular are you interested in? | 16:00 |
| mornfall | Sage_: they say people go to office in the morning and leave in the afternoon, on both occasions they love to form huge piles of cars that can't move | 16:00 |
| TMavica | sure is chinese... | 16:01 |
| TMavica | I am Hong Kong...Hong Kong er wont use that input method | 16:01 |
| TMavica | it is suck | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: so hong kong typically uses handwriting recognition right? | 16:01 |
| TMavica | quick and handwriting | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | from the little i understand of the market | 16:02 |
| TMavica | know who is amanda? | 16:02 |
| Sage_ | mornfall: ok well something I haven't used to at least. For me work environment means laptop (or my phone in some cases) and place to sit or stand. Time/timezone/location doesn't really seem to matter that much ;) | 16:02 |
| mornfall | Sage_: didn't try it yet, but it has to be great if so many people do it like 5 times a week? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: yes, amanda lam right? | 16:02 |
| TMavica | yes | 16:02 |
| TMavica | We most concern is that,,, | 16:02 |
| TMavica | everything is fine, just we cant type traditional chinese...just use english | 16:03 |
| TMavica | Pinyin is just for China... | 16:03 |
| TMavica | they use simpified chinese, Hong Kong never use this | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: yes | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | so, in the current versions of sailfishos, there's only pinyin which is keyboard-based and prediction? | 16:04 |
| TMavica | Yes | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:04 |
| TMavica | the chinese input we want is same as in n9 | 16:04 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: found anyone else who joins to have some dinner? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: me, you+your wife, fk_lx, faenil, that's about the people that's around at that time it seems | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | probably difficult to organize more atm. venemo arrives at 8pm | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | and UK guys at 7 | 16:05 |
| radekp | hi, i stared working on gnuchess GUI, if someone wants to try: http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/sailfish-chess-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 16:06 |
| TMavica | Pinyin really is a wrong choice | 16:06 |
| radekp | you will need working gnuchess installed first... | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: yes, i understand that | 16:06 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: wife not entirely sure yet but lets see | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: oki | 16:06 |
| TMavica | but i dont know 1.033 have include other input method or not, LOL | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: checking for you right now :) | 16:07 |
| TMavica | THX! | 16:07 |
| TMavica | but i think wont have | 16:07 |
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| mornfall | hm, talking of wives, mine's in Brussels too ... only I'm not, talk of irony (she's a musician) | 16:08 |
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| TMavica | many update show in warehouse | 16:10 |
| mornfall | I'd leave warehouse alone for the time being. | 16:10 |
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| Sage_ | eleroux: I see you are nearby based on your address (.be) | 16:14 |
| mornfall | Sage_: possibly abusing someone else's dsl :-) | 16:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: i'm going to veeery slowly walk towards chi-chi's | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: see you outside | 16:18 |
| jukkaeklund | have fun! | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | (for the record, chi-chi's is not, as it sounds, a exotic dancer bar..) | 16:18 |
| slate | so you say | 16:18 |
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| * merlin1991 just had the funkiest experience while receiving a call | 16:21 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: outside chichi? | 16:21 |
| slate | My device is making ghost calls in my pocket. | 16:21 |
| slate | Also quite exotic. | 16:22 |
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| Sail0r | ghost whisperer? | 16:22 |
| Morpog_PC | omg warehouse finds alot of nemo updates, next release must be imminent :D | 16:22 |
| merlin1991 | jolla did play the ringtone, but the dialer didn't show up, when I tried to launch it manually it had no visible ui elements except for some artifacts at the top and bottom, trying to drag the dialer as usual to answer the call had no effect | 16:22 |
| slate | yesterday I was cycling home from work. Device screen off in my pocket. Had dialed one dude from my contacts in the middle of the way. Happened before too. | 16:23 |
| slate | No idea why. | 16:23 |
| merlin1991 | damn I should have taken a video, it was so weird and obviously some bug | 16:23 |
| mornfall | slate: nsa penetration testing | 16:25 |
| eleroux | Sage_: indeed, I'm 50km away from Brussels atm ;) | 16:25 |
| slate | mornfall: prolly, just dont know why they try to contact my mother. | 16:26 |
| slate | ;) | 16:26 |
| mikma | i had heebo running and it turned off a incoming call for some reason :D | 16:26 |
| mikma | no biggie, it was mother in law anyway | 16:27 |
| mornfall | slate: would be suspicious if they called a nsa phone number :-) | 16:27 |
| TMavica | reset to factory and waiting for update | 16:27 |
| Sail0r | oO | 16:27 |
| mikma | 0800-nsa-hotline | 16:28 |
| slate | TMavica: who? | 16:28 |
| TMavica | i at 1.005 now | 16:28 |
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| mikma | ooh update available! 1.0.2.5 | 16:29 |
| mikma | gotta love these announcements :D | 16:29 |
| Tegu | haha :D | 16:30 |
| slate | well they promised an update in january.. did not say which one though. | 16:30 |
| slate | ;) | 16:30 |
| Tegu | it usually happens after reboot | 16:30 |
| TMavica | ~_~ | 16:30 |
| mikma | and that's what i did, spent like 8h of battery | 16:30 |
| slate | stupid fool | 16:30 |
| slate | you should never reboot | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes | 16:32 |
| mikma | and display wont turn off again | 16:34 |
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| Pnuu | slate: url to the promise? | 16:37 |
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| jukkaeklund | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:jan14/page:1/ | 16:38 |
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| slate | Pnuu: there was one in twitter about monthly updates and next one coming soon | 16:40 |
| slate | on 27.1. | 16:41 |
| Quu | iirc its not promise | 16:41 |
| slate | Okey. I see that a promise of monthly updates. | 16:41 |
| Quu | its more of target they want to keep | 16:41 |
| Pnuu | monthly as in average or one each month? | 16:41 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/424110084080144385 | 16:42 |
| Pnuu | Quu: yup, my view too | 16:42 |
| jukkaeklund | monthly as in January update today, and February update next month and so forth | 16:42 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/426013467028774912 | 16:42 |
| slate | HarhaanJohtaja: thanks | 16:42 |
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| Quu | Pnuu: yeah, and it doesnt matter what you/me think because all these other people are always correct | 16:43 |
| slate | Couldn't find those. :) | 16:43 |
| sremes | 1.0.3.8 available! | 16:43 |
| Tegu | yes! | 16:43 |
| Tegu | got it too | 16:43 |
| Pnuu | Quu: touche | 16:43 |
| Quu | installe'd | 16:43 |
| Sail0r | 1.0.3.8 | 16:43 |
| Tegu | just started typing | 16:43 |
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| Tegu | and you announced it first :( | 16:43 |
| slate | worth a whine | 16:43 |
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| slate | ;D | 16:43 |
| slate | "oh diem lets just do it" | 16:43 |
| slate | tohd-fix | 16:44 |
| slate | nice, | 16:44 |
| Nicd- | yes! available | 16:44 |
| Quu | hue | 16:44 |
| Quu | already installed and it keeps saying new update available | 16:44 |
| Quu | and store crashed | 16:45 |
| TMavica | any changelog announced? | 16:45 |
| Aard | https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 16:46 |
| Quu | *cough* kinda told you the version number wont be 1.0.3.3 but nobody believed me :p | 16:47 |
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| Tegu | 200-250 MB :o pretty large | 16:48 |
| Sail0r | :) | 16:48 |
| Aard | Quu: store crashed? | 16:48 |
| Quu | after update, yes | 16:48 |
| slate | airplanemode-fix <3 | 16:49 |
| mikma | so, jolla people are not planning on having a free weekend.. hehe | 16:49 |
| Aard | Tegu: we managed to get rid of all compat linking to x11 libraries -> most of the base system gets updated | 16:49 |
| Quu | Aard: but its downloading update again now, not sure if it installed at all on first time.. :p | 16:49 |
| Aard | Quu: more details? | 16:49 |
| slate | mikma: all working @ FOSDEM | 16:49 |
| Tegu | ah, okay | 16:49 |
| Quu | Aard: updated, rebooted, said new update and store kept crashing until i rebooted | 16:49 |
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| FireFly | heh | 16:50 |
| FireFly | So it did come in January after all | 16:50 |
| Aard | FireFly: you had doubt? :p | 16:51 |
| FireFly | A bit :p | 16:51 |
| Aard | Quu: how long did it take to download the update first try? | 16:51 |
| Quu | Aard: ~25min on wlan | 16:51 |
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| Sail0r | 5min on wlan | 16:51 |
| Venemo_j | hey | 16:51 |
| Venemo_j | it's sooo boring to wait for the damn plane | 16:51 |
| Aard | Quu: and you waited until it installed and rebooted by itself? (note that the screen may blank during install phase) | 16:52 |
| Aard | Venemo_j: update your jolla? :p | 16:52 |
| Quu | Aard: but the update/install part didnt take this long, now its been something like 5min already | 16:52 |
| Venemo_j | Aard: at the airport? from mobile data? | 16:52 |
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| Aard | Venemo_j: bonus fun. | 16:52 |
| TMavica | cant directly go to 1.038 from 1.005, LOL | 16:52 |
| Venemo_j | Aard: nah, maybe tomorrow | 16:53 |
| Aard | TMavica: oh, thanks for the reminder | 16:53 |
| Venemo_j | Aard: or maybe when I arrived at the beer event and met with Stskeeps and faenil | 16:53 |
| TMavica | i am upgrading to 1.025.. | 16:54 |
| mornfall | oh, there's an update? :-P | 16:54 |
| Venemo_j | provided the place has wifi, of course :P | 16:55 |
| mornfall | apparently | 16:55 |
| Quu | Disables Android phone app playing ringtone on receiving an incoming call | 16:55 |
| Quu | lol | 16:55 |
| Quu | did that happen? :D | 16:55 |
| Aard | Quu: in some rare cornercases | 16:55 |
| Morpog_PC | Improved recovery mode functionality introducing new features such as bootloader unlocking, shell and filesystem recovery options | 16:55 |
| Morpog_PC | hope that stops the whining :D | 16:55 |
| Quu | probably wont | 16:56 |
| Quu | people be bitching always | 16:56 |
| * artemma is reading chat to see if the update crashed somebody's phone hard or if it's safe to upgrade | 16:56 | |
| Morpog_PC | no risk no fun artemma | 16:56 |
| Quu | artemma: cant say yet, wait ~10min :) | 16:56 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: I hope you love fun then :D | 16:56 |
| Venemo_j | Aard: can you gimme the changelog? | 16:57 |
| Trizt | anything that can stop working when updating to 1.0.3.8? like do I need to disable dev mode and uninstall 3rd party packages? | 16:57 |
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| Pnuu | Quu: I said the same abt version number :-) | 16:57 |
| Frye | Oi, update! | 16:57 |
| Aard | Venemo_j: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 16:57 |
| Morpog_PC | I just started the TOHD service before i started the update | 16:57 |
| Frye | Aard, too late for relnotes. I'm already installing :D | 16:57 |
| artemma | somebody ( kontio or kaltsi ?) also said yesterday that maybe my Quick Launcher update will eventually be pushed to people after new update is out. Not sure why it's related though | 16:58 |
| Aard | Trizt: developer mode not an issue, 3rd party packages depends on what you installed | 16:58 |
| TMavica | really no chinese virtual keyboard. | 16:58 |
| artemma | yeah, we need to unmask tohd before update probably | 16:58 |
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| * artemma needs to learn/recall how to re-enable tohd.. | 16:58 | |
| Morpog_PC | systemctl start tohd.service | 16:58 |
| Venemo_j | thx Aard :) | 16:58 |
| Sail0r | maybe for the next update you should prevent the display from going to sleep | 16:59 |
| Sail0r | it's a bit shocky | 16:59 |
| Trizt | Aard: it's a handful from warehouse, don't remember of hand | 16:59 |
| Sail0r | and some people will try to reset the device if the display fades black during update | 16:59 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: aw, c'mon, it's a multitasking phone | 16:59 |
| mornfall | you can play heebo while upgrade is running :P | 17:00 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: don't I need to unmask it as well? | 17:00 |
| Morpog_PC | sure, if you masked it | 17:00 |
| Aard | Sail0r: it won't happen with the next update :) | 17:00 |
| Sail0r | thx Aard :) | 17:00 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: thx | 17:00 |
| Morpog_PC | I haven't masked it | 17:00 |
| Aard | Sail0r: for this update the best we could do was mention it in the release notes, unfortunately | 17:00 |
| Morpog_PC | mmmh, I hate my slow connection, download just caneled :( | 17:01 |
| artemma | "Performance improvements to pulley menus" promised! Hooray! Some performance items made it to update! | 17:01 |
| Sail0r | it's totally fine for me because i read the release notes but there are people out (my mom) which go like "WAHAH Screen black during update i will power it on again" and then it's broken ^^ | 17:01 |
| Morpog_PC | or Jolla servers get hamemred again ;) | 17:01 |
| Sail0r | interestting | 17:02 |
| Frye | I made a mental note earlier that when ever there is a update notification, Download it first and ask questions later :D | 17:02 |
| Sail0r | I got a ambience mixup | 17:02 |
| javisail | oh, update, just as I board the plane | 17:02 |
| Aard | TMavica: added a comment about having to go to 1.0.2.5 first to release notes | 17:02 |
| Sail0r | startscreen and lockscreen are fine with my custom ambience | 17:02 |
| Sail0r | but when i go to settings | 17:02 |
| artemma | javisail: when you get to the other side, you'll already know how finely it rolls out ;) | 17:02 |
| Sail0r | the first one ambience is in background | 17:02 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 17:02 |
| Pnuu | I'll be waiting until not in a car before starting the upgrade | 17:02 |
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| Pnuu | or am I... :-P | 17:03 |
| TMavica | Aard to here? | 17:03 |
| Sail0r | ok it's in every application | 17:03 |
| TMavica | to where? | 17:03 |
| Aard | TMavica: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 17:03 |
| TMavica | ok | 17:03 |
| Sail0r | had to switch to my ambience manually now it's ok ^^ | 17:03 |
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| artemma | So calenda still doesn't know how to fix upstream to Google Calendar? | 17:04 |
| Aard | artemma: fix upstream? | 17:04 |
| Nicd- | I think he means 2-way sync | 17:04 |
| artemma | to sync* upstream | 17:04 |
| artemma | Nicd-: yes | 17:04 |
| Nicd- | waiting for that and 2-way contacts sync | 17:04 |
| TMavica | added | 17:04 |
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| Aard | artemma: no, 2-way sync is still being worked on. on-way sync for google calendar is a bit of a dirty hack done to make this available early on | 17:05 |
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| artemma | Aard: thx | 17:05 |
| artemma | Aard: will app updates now go to the people phones if you know? :D | 17:05 |
| Venemo_j | gotta quit now, ttyl | 17:05 |
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| Aard | artemma: can you rephrase? :) | 17:06 |
| artemma | Aard: sorry, I thought I already got to everybody's throut with my desires :) | 17:06 |
| Skorpy | screen went blank a while ago. does the device restart after the update? | 17:06 |
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| Aard | Skorpy: yes | 17:07 |
| Frye | Skorpy, short press on power button to show status | 17:07 |
| Skorpy | Aard: ok, great | 17:07 |
| Skorpy | Frye: oh, nice. thanks | 17:07 |
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| artemma | Aard: Quick Launcher app update by me is in Approved state for several days and screenshots disappeared from app store. Some jolla people (was it kontio ?) told there's something broken in app store process and maybe update will go through after Sailfish upgrade is done | 17:07 |
| Aard | artemma: ah. I guess you'll know on monday | 17:08 |
| artemma | sigh | 17:08 |
| Sail0r | when i ssh to my jolla there is a notice displayed: NOTICE: Env value ignored QT_GSTREAMER_CAMERABIN_FLAGS=15 | 17:08 |
| * artemma hoped to have another update ready by monday | 17:08 | |
| Aard | artemma: I haven't noticed much outside of "release" the last few days | 17:08 |
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| PeperJohnny | Aard: Are Tabs now saved? | 17:09 |
| artemma | After reading release notes: Looks like a decent update. As always it's not enough though :) | 17:09 |
| artemma | thanks, folks | 17:09 |
| Aard | Sail0r: it's a hint that this variable is set in the runtime, but not exported when you ssh in. if you do camera development you might want to export that manually | 17:09 |
| Aard | PeperJohnny: 'tabs saved'? | 17:09 |
| Sail0r | ok thx. was just wondering this didn't show up before update :) | 17:09 |
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| PeperJohnny | Yeah i thought, that they are not reloaded anymore :D | 17:10 |
| Aard | artemma: what else did you want? and did you take into account that people were on vacation in december and beginning of january? :) | 17:10 |
| Aard | PeperJohnny: no, still reloaded, but it's being worked on | 17:10 |
| Sail0r | many apps lost there settings after updating | 17:10 |
| Frye | Whoa, very impressive. | 17:10 |
| artemma | Aard: I am sure you too can create a list of desired improvements as long as you want for any product :) | 17:10 |
| Frye | Seems much faster after the update | 17:10 |
| PeperJohnny | Aard: Ok Aard, nonetheless great work, with the landscape mode =) | 17:10 |
| pp | lessee if download succeeds before server hangs | 17:11 |
| Frye | and the landscape on browser <3 | 17:11 |
| Nicd- | aaaalmost downloaded | 17:11 |
| * artemma hoped most for speedups and fixing freezes/reboots on network reconnection. getting tired to reboot my jolla so often | 17:11 | |
| artemma | well, maybe some of them happened, just not in the notes | 17:11 |
| Frye | Nicd-, It's wirth the wait :D | 17:11 |
| Sail0r | Apps with lost settings so far: webcat, irc, screenshot | 17:11 |
| Frye | worth | 17:11 |
| artemma | pulley menu speedup is there at least | 17:11 |
| Aard | artemma: some of them happened, more of them are currently being investigated | 17:11 |
| zbenjamin | yay upgrade | 17:11 |
| raa70 | does tohd.service restart after update if it's been disabled? | 17:12 |
| artemma | Aard: good to know, thanks! | 17:12 |
| Nicd- | ready to install \o/ | 17:12 |
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| zbenjamin | any progress on two way sync or caldav carddav? | 17:12 |
| mornfall | raa70: you need to unmask it, most likely | 17:12 |
| mornfall | zbenjamin: we can hope for february... :P | 17:12 |
| Nicd- | zbenjamin: < Aard> artemma: no, 2-way sync is still being worked on. | 17:12 |
| artemma | Hmm, is it so that exchange calendar two-way sync works, but caldav doesn't? | 17:13 |
| Aard | artemma: yes | 17:13 |
| Frye | Yeah, LocalStorage settings seem to be lost | 17:13 |
| sjtoik | how about google? | 17:13 |
| artemma | too bad my practices are optimized around google calendar these days.. | 17:14 |
| Nicd- | LocalStorage gone? shit | 17:14 |
| Aard | Nicd-: ? | 17:14 |
| Sail0r | yep | 17:14 |
| Sail0r | I lost all my app settings in webcat, irc, screenshot and so on | 17:14 |
| Frye | Not sure if it's totally gone, but but | 17:14 |
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| Sail0r | everything in localstorage is lost for me | 17:14 |
| Nicd- | I'll have to check my own app | 17:14 |
| Frye | at least same game high scores were nonexistent | 17:14 |
| Nicd- | it uses LocalStorage | 17:14 |
| Nicd- | maybe a path changed somewhere | 17:14 |
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| Frye | Yeah, could be they are there, but not found | 17:15 |
| phaeron | Nicd-: libsailfishapp has changed the localstorage path | 17:15 |
| Aard | thp: ^^ can you explain? :) | 17:15 |
| Nicd- | phaeron: why did the update not move all the localstorages to the new path then? | 17:15 |
| Sail0r | where is the new path? | 17:15 |
| thp | yeah, libsailfishapp changed the localstorage path | 17:16 |
| thp | this fixes a problem with local storage for different apps | 17:16 |
| Yaniel | Hm I don't think I have any significiant settings changes | 17:16 |
| Frye | Ok, but the previous settings are still there? Just on a old path? | 17:16 |
| thp | apps must either move the files manually or manually set organization name / application name for migrating from old path | 17:16 |
| thp | if apps have set their application name / organization name manually, they're not affected | 17:17 |
| Nicd- | hmm | 17:17 |
| Skorpy | bluetooth didn't work after update. rebooted and now it works. weird. | 17:17 |
| thp | the change in libsailfishapp is here; https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp/commit/3febb7a2204cf13f01ab9e9ff86a84afc9b137d7 | 17:17 |
| zbenjamin | will my mitäkuulu settings survive? | 17:17 |
| Skorpy | zbenjamin: seems to be fine for me | 17:18 |
| Nicd- | how are application name / organization name set? is this ok? var db = LS.LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("SailTime", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 10240); | 17:18 |
| Sail0r | ok so now i have to move everything from /home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-<app>/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases to /home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-<app>/harbour-<app>/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases for the things which lost settings? | 17:18 |
| nander | zbenjamin, I'll tell you in a minute | 17:18 |
| zbenjamin | Skorpy: nice! :) don't wanna loose my chats again after migration from android | 17:18 |
| nander | (if you mean survive an upadate to 1.0.3.8) | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC | pyotherside is integrated alongside with python 3.3.3 and SL 2.0.1 | 17:18 |
| zbenjamin | nander: yep | 17:18 |
| nander | I'm downloading the update | 17:18 |
| nander | At a decent speed ;) | 17:18 |
| thp | Sail0r: yeah, or set the organization name to an empty string and continue to use the old paths | 17:18 |
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| nander | Halfway | 17:18 |
| zbenjamin | nander: me too ;) at a not so decent speed | 17:19 |
| thp | Sail0r: as long as your stuff follows XDG + harbour-<app> naming, it's okay | 17:19 |
| nander | Well, it's gonna take a few minutes | 17:19 |
| zbenjamin | nander: maybe i'll be able to tell you then i'm at 3/4 | 17:19 |
| nander | But that's ok to me | 17:19 |
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| Pnuu | Morpog_PC: wheee | 17:19 |
| nander | It should keep the settings | 17:19 |
| mornfall | hm, installing already... what organization name? :) | 17:20 |
| thp | it's annoying, as for some apps, settings paths will differ if they haven't set application name or organization name, but this will fix some issues and use the right path by default for all apps, and developers can still opt to set their data path manually | 17:20 |
| nander | On connecting the Other Half, associated ambience will not change unless it is being used for the first time or the ambiance has been earlier marked as favourite. << awesome | 17:20 |
| nathrakh | I noticed problems with WLAN today, tried reboot but when I searched for my (hidden) WLAN it didn't find and eventually phone turned off by itself! Now it doesn't boot at all, what's up | 17:21 |
| zbenjamin | nander: where do you read that | 17:21 |
| nander | https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 17:21 |
| Nicd- | hm, my app lost settings too | 17:21 |
| zbenjamin | Clearly distinguish Android apps from native apps in Store awesome! | 17:21 |
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| Nicd- | apparently I've done something wrong then? | 17:21 |
| mornfall | sounds golly | 17:22 |
| thp | Nicd-: where did your application store settings before and where does it store it now? | 17:22 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: probably no, it's the OS/stack that did something wrong | 17:22 |
| nander | updaate ;) | 17:22 |
| zbenjamin | meh need to upgrade later :( | 17:22 |
| zbenjamin | later guys | 17:22 |
| Nicd- | thp: here's my localstorage code, do you see anything missing there? https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/f63db9fdb125023d44fc581b2406515d70d3e48e/qml/js/storage.js?at=master | 17:22 |
| Nicd- | if you have time to look | 17:22 |
| FireFly | Hm | 17:23 |
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| thp | Nicd-: no, it's fine. do you also use c++ code or is it a pure qml application? | 17:23 |
| FireFly | So now you can select another calendar when adding a calendar entry, but how do you add a new calendar? | 17:23 |
| FireFly | (without setting up syncing with google calendar) | 17:24 |
| TMavica | during upgrading, reboot self.. | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | thp: I use a bit of C++ but the C++ side doesn't store anything | 17:24 |
| TMavica | now download again | 17:24 |
| * pahartik would like to know whether appropriate "Sailfish" applications are supposed to follow proxy setting of "connman" | 17:24 | |
| thp | Nicd-: if in your C++ code you use setOrganizationName("") and setOrganizationDomain("") on the QCoreApplication, it should be fixed - can you check? | 17:24 |
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| thp | (then it will revert to the old behavior) | 17:24 |
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| Nicd- | thp: do you mean QGuiApplication? | 17:25 |
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| thp | Nicd-: should be QCoreApplication, QGuiApplication is a subclass of it | 17:26 |
| Frye | thp, does the same work for JS only implementation? | 17:26 |
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| thp | Frye: yes, it actually fixes the JS-only (= sailfish-qml launcher) use case | 17:26 |
| Sail0r | i think this commit broke many apps ^^ | 17:26 |
| Nicd- | thp: ok. I can check if I have time but it's not a big deal. there's only two settings in the app | 17:26 |
| thp | it's a one-time change, unfortunately it breaks some things at the moment, but will make sure that qml-only apps each have their own local storage directory, and two local storage databases of different apps don't conflict with one another | 17:28 |
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| Nicd- | youtube on full screen <3 | 17:30 |
| Quu | Aard: seems to work after second update | 17:30 |
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| TheBootroo | ohai ! | 17:30 |
| TheBootroo | ohai ! | 17:30 |
| Quu | oh no its TheBootroo | 17:30 |
| TheBootroo | just updating my jolla | 17:30 |
| TheBootroo | Quu: oh no, it's meeee | 17:31 |
| TheBootroo | can't see mention of LTE or CalDav in changelog... | 17:31 |
| TheBootroo | so sad... | 17:31 |
| TheBootroo | LTE is kinda gadget i know, but proper sync of calendar is huge work tool for me | 17:31 |
| TheBootroo | can we expect minor update for it before the next big one ? | 17:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: no caldav no LTE then | 17:31 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: nope | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, wait for the next update I guess | 17:32 |
| mornfall | and no IDLE | 17:32 |
| TheBootroo | on caldav point i kinda miss my n950 | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | one per month is rather ok | 17:32 |
| TheBootroo | mornfall: idle coud be fine yes | 17:32 |
| TheBootroo | but mail don't work too bad without it so that's quite ok | 17:32 |
| mornfall | but it's still definitely not 60fps | 17:33 |
| TheBootroo | but i can't create event on my phone and sync it on my computer using GCal and THAT is blocker | 17:33 |
| sremes | syncevolution from warehouse can sync caldav | 17:33 |
| TheBootroo | mornfall: 60fps email ??? ;-) interesting new concept | 17:33 |
| mornfall | TheBootroo: no, the UI | 17:33 |
| TheBootroo | sremes: how does it work ? does it integrate well with stock calendar app ? | 17:34 |
| artemma | 60fps in home screen would be nice | 17:34 |
| Pnuu | updated | 17:34 |
| TheBootroo | mornfall: artemma: i don't have lag in UI | 17:34 |
| artemma | somebody was mentioning that it is sort of 60fps, but.. was it without double buffering? :) | 17:34 |
| mornfall | well, the problem is that it's jerky not that it's not exactly 60fps :-) it's probably 60fps, then skip 8 frames then continue with 60fps | 17:34 |
| TheBootroo | no separate disk use indicator for SD card neither | 17:34 |
| artemma | TheBootroo: it's not about lags, try holding launcher with a finger and move it back and force, before the update at least you could clearly see no sharp icon edges | 17:35 |
| Morpog_PC | there are some fixes in Qt upstreamed which I guess will land in next update, those shouls make the device alot faster | 17:35 |
| clau | any clue if the email syncing problem was fixed? I don't see it mentioned. | 17:35 |
| TheBootroo | description under account logo in status details : YEAAAH | 17:35 |
| clau | I hope at least that is fixed, until we get IDLE support. | 17:35 |
| mornfall | clau: dunno, I can't see it in the changelog | 17:36 |
| artemma | not clear launcher swiping that can make you speculate why Jolla went for switching whole launcher pages instead of endless scroll of a launcher grid ;) | 17:36 |
| sremes | TheBootroo: I'd see it only as a bad temporary solution, not integrating very well, but working with owncloud at least | 17:36 |
| clau | I'll have to continue to use "early" suspend policy then | 17:36 |
| clau | in any case, the update looks good :) | 17:36 |
| clau | I'm d/l now. | 17:36 |
| mornfall | clau: what's early suspend policy? | 17:37 |
| sremes | TheBootroo: it does store events such that they are usable from the native calendar app | 17:37 |
| Sail0r | ok, we have got one strange broken phone after the update | 17:37 |
| clau | mornfall, follow the first link in this post: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-email-not-syncing-problem/ | 17:37 |
| Sail0r | all app icons for third parties disappeared | 17:37 |
| Sail0r | and they can not start anymore | 17:37 |
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| Jonni | Sail0r: if they are android apps, then re-read release notes | 17:38 |
| TheBootroo | pinch to zoom in camera is quite good quality | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | just native apps | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | like webcat irc and so on | 17:38 |
| clau | mornfall, basically you have to install mcetools and set the suspend policy manually to early, and the device will stop going to deep sleep. | 17:38 |
| Jonni | Sail0r: ah that sounds like that device has openrepo repositories | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | nope just store | 17:39 |
| Sail0r | irc was installed by hand | 17:39 |
| Morpog_PC | Jonni, should I remove openrepos repos before updating? | 17:39 |
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| Jonni | Sail0r: well thats wierd then, sounds like factory reset time and upgrade again. | 17:39 |
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| Jonni | Morpog_PC: depends if thera are conflicting packages, no if there are not, yes if you want to be carefull | 17:40 |
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| Sail0r | jep | 17:40 |
| clau | mornfall, and vote the post up (on tjc) if it helps you ;) | 17:40 |
| TMavica | I now have a clean device from 1.005 - 1.025 - 1.038 | 17:40 |
| Sail0r | and there are also folders missing | 17:40 |
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| Aard | Sail0r: can you ssh in and see if there's weird stuff in the log? | 17:41 |
| Sail0r | jep permission errors | 17:41 |
| Sail0r | and dirs missing | 17:41 |
| Aard | which dirs? | 17:41 |
| Sail0r | one moment i try to get a nopaste | 17:42 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 17:42 |
| mornfall | clau: interesting... but I guess I'll wait for now | 17:42 |
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| clau | mornfall, I turned the setting to the original value (enabled), and I will see how well the phone behaves after the update. | 17:44 |
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| Sail0r | ok i think we are going for a reset | 17:44 |
| Sail0r | inotify is complaining bluetooth device is not found anymore | 17:44 |
| Sail0r | reset via fastboot or from UI? | 17:45 |
| Sail0r | which is preferred? | 17:45 |
| Aard | Sail0r: so no way to get information from the device? did you do any weird stuff before? | 17:45 |
| Sail0r | it does not startup ssh anymore | 17:46 |
| Sail0r | because of permission problems | 17:46 |
| mornfall | hmm, smpc's pullout window broke | 17:46 |
| Sail0r | the only weird thing which happend with this phone | 17:46 |
| Sail0r | happend on first update | 17:46 |
| Sail0r | from 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.2.5 | 17:46 |
| Pnuu | apart from lost settings on webcat, haven't noticed problems | 17:46 |
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| Pnuu | yay | 17:46 |
| Sail0r | maybe there is something wrong which is now completly broken | 17:46 |
| clau | anyone else reported problems so far? | 17:47 |
| mornfall | aliendalvik's windowing behaviour is even funnier than it used to be | 17:48 |
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| pp | seems faster and less buggy here | 17:49 |
| Tofe | bootloader unlocking ! \o/ | 17:49 |
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| TMavica | how unlock bootloader? | 17:50 |
| pp | foursquare now patiently waits for location vs. thinking I'm at 0N 0E :D | 17:50 |
| Tofe | I guess by booting into recovery | 17:50 |
| Aard | TMavica: boot device into rescue mode, there's an option to unlock bootloader | 17:50 |
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| Sail0r | ha we found it Aard | 17:52 |
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| mornfall | pp: yeah, it seems to crash less so far :) | 17:52 |
| Sail0r | for some reason the /usr/share/icons folder got wrong permissions | 17:52 |
| Sail0r | it was 644 | 17:52 |
| Sail0r | and bluetooth was back after reboot | 17:52 |
| Aard | Sail0r: ugh. do you have some 3rd party packages installed which could do that? | 17:53 |
| Sail0r | It was not my phone I try to get every detail out of my mate which he did ^^ | 17:53 |
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| Sail0r | maybe he fucked up his own apps specfile | 17:53 |
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| Sail0r | so the only thing which is real "broken" is the localstorage :) | 17:56 |
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| FireFly | mornfall: anything funny in particular? | 17:58 |
| FireFly | I haven't noticed anything yet, but I'm not exactly an android app poweruser | 17:58 |
| pp | haven't managed to lose apps from the list either (which it used to do) | 17:59 |
| mornfall | FireFly: well, opening second android app shows you 2 android windows... one gets stuck showing "loading" and the app opens in the existing one | 17:59 |
| mornfall | FireFly: the new one disappears after a while | 17:59 |
| pp | starting them up from inside another android app in the window list worked then :-) | 17:59 |
| FireFly | Ow | 18:00 |
| clau | update done. so far it looks good. | 18:00 |
| TMavica | anyone tried android whatsapp got sound of notification or not?? | 18:00 |
| mornfall | I guess they started to do multi-window android and a stub made it into release. :) | 18:01 |
| FireFly | The landscape support seemed a bit quirky for the homescreen | 18:01 |
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| mornfall | FireFly: that's because it doesn't exist yet ;-) | 18:01 |
| FireFly | Aha | 18:01 |
| FireFly | Well, it's more confusing now than it was pre-update :P | 18:01 |
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| FireFly | because the push actions rotate in the browser but not in the homescreen | 18:01 |
| mornfall | FireFly: all you get is re-oriented swipes in *apps* | 18:01 |
| FireFly | Right, that's more confusing :P | 18:02 |
| mornfall | yes, somewhat :-) | 18:02 |
| Raim | mornfall: I think I saw this loading behavior before | 18:02 |
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| mornfall | Raim: hmm, I don't remember that, I always had it open in the same window, blinking furiously ;-) | 18:02 |
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| mornfall | Raim: usually also crashing after a few seconds... that doesn't seem to happen now | 18:03 |
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| mornfall | usually either because of gps or because of audio | 18:03 |
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| mornfall | that seems to behave much better after the update | 18:03 |
| mornfall | guess someone's been working their ass off in the last month | 18:04 |
| clau | TMavica, may I suggest you try Mitakuuluu ? | 18:04 |
| clau | though, I don't think it's in Store yet :\ | 18:05 |
| TMavica | I sure use that, but want to know | 18:05 |
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| clau | oh, nice... if phone goes to sleep while in an app, unlock will bring the same app on screen. | 18:14 |
| Yaniel | not with power button :/ | 18:15 |
| clau | yes, not if you put it to sleep. | 18:15 |
| clau | maybe it was intentionally left like this, but I think it would be more useful to have the same new behavior. | 18:15 |
| mornfall | hard call, but it fixes the most annoying case -- app blanking on you and you having to hunt it down | 18:16 |
| clau | often I put it to sleep just to put it in the pocket, and I would like to resume from where I was left, later on. | 18:16 |
| clau | yep | 18:16 |
| clau | it's already much better. | 18:16 |
| Eztran | That behaviour does kinda make sense. If it times out, you probably do want to resume. | 18:16 |
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| clau | I do hope that all this little things will become configurable over time. | 18:17 |
| Yaniel | ooh, nice | 18:17 |
| clau | *these | 18:18 |
| tango_ | new behavior? | 18:18 |
| mornfall | I just noticed that the wlan and bt addresses differ only in one bit for a given device :-) | 18:18 |
| tango_ | was the an update? | 18:18 |
| Eztran | Mmm, but it's nice to see they're working on sane defaults. | 18:18 |
| clau | tango_, 1.0.3.8. | 18:18 |
| Morpog_PC | wow, homescreen is damn smooth now | 18:18 |
| tango_ | oh | 18:18 |
| tango_ | is there a changelog? | 18:18 |
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| mornfall | Morpog_PC: you can see any difference? hmm | 18:19 |
| clau | tango_, https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 18:19 |
| tango_ | clau: thanks man | 18:19 |
| tango_ | you're faster than google | 18:19 |
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| Morpog_PC | mornfall, sure, no more lags | 18:19 |
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| rzr-mob | hi fron bxl | 18:19 |
| mornfall | Morpog_PC: I can't see a difference -- it's still jittery | 18:20 |
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| clau | tango_, so from now on you just "clau" things. googling is a thing of the past! :P | 18:20 |
| Skorpy | getting another notification for the update. clicked it -> "up to date". same as before. | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | hm apparently it also uses the proximity sensor or a timer | 18:20 |
| tango_ | clau: that's cool for me | 18:20 |
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| tango_ | clau: might get boring pretty fast for you though | 18:21 |
| clau | :D | 18:21 |
| mornfall | clau: get me porn dude | 18:21 |
| mornfall | (like that?) | 18:21 |
| clau | ehehehe | 18:21 |
| Eztran | Nice to see they sorted out the bootloader again like they promised. Should stop those complaints. | 18:22 |
| clau | hmm, auto adjusting the brightness seems to work too. | 18:22 |
| clau | at least in my case, it seemed not to work before 1.0.3.8 | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | it was never jittery for me | 18:22 |
| tango_ | I'm going to assume I need more than 19% charge before attemping the upgrade, deh | 18:22 |
| Eztran | That sounds a pretty fair assumption. | 18:23 |
| tango_ | otoh I _should_ be able to upgrade while charging, right? | 18:23 |
| clau | should be fine, but just to make sure, let it charge a tad before you start. | 18:23 |
| clau | downloading the update should be just fine, though. | 18:23 |
| tango_ | > Delete all contacts in one go ( via pulley menu option in People app settings) < this is going to be SO fun to do by mistake | 18:23 |
| clau | it will ask you before actually installing it. | 18:24 |
| clau | tango_, I'm not even sure why it was added. :| | 18:24 |
| Eztran | People asked for it, surprisingly enough. | 18:24 |
| tango_ | hopefully that asks for confirmation too ;-) | 18:24 |
| clau | that is a... weird request. is it for when police stops you or something similar? :D | 18:25 |
| tango_ | > Fixes the issue with NFC leaking power when TOH is attached. < oh finally | 18:25 |
| Eztran | Yuuuup. | 18:25 |
| Eztran | Should be interesting - wonder if any reviewers will test battery life again now? | 18:26 |
| tango_ | btw am I the only one finding (1) TOH swapping in/out to be cumbersome (physically, I mean) and (2) the prompt for the new stuff to be too fast for me to actually read what the message says? | 18:26 |
| clau | I'm always afraid not to break something. | 18:26 |
| tango_ | clau: me too. ok, it's justa frigging piece of plastic, but it looks like it bends to the point of fracture before it pops out from the other side | 18:27 |
| tango_ | or maybe I'm just pulling it out the wrong way | 18:27 |
| chem|st | do I need to unmask tohd or is that overwritten? | 18:27 |
| clau | chem|st, I did it before the update. | 18:27 |
| tango_ | I'm going to bet it needs unmasking | 18:27 |
| clau | just to be on the safe side. and I think Stskeeps said it's a good idea too. | 18:27 |
| tango_ | really? | 18:28 |
| * tango_ does it too | 18:28 | |
| chem|st | could have asked that before I said 'install' | 18:28 |
| clau | :D | 18:28 |
| clau | I doubt it's a problem. probably it will just stay masked. | 18:28 |
| chem|st | we will see | 18:28 |
| Quu | meh, its just one symlink | 18:28 |
| Eztran | Unmasking it won't cause any problems if they did it already, anyway. | 18:28 |
| clau | worst case is that something checks if it's on during update and fails otherwise. but I really doubt it. | 18:29 |
| Yaniel | hm, now it didn't restore the app I was in before the screen went blank | 18:29 |
| chem|st | for the pwrbtn behaviour it is actually a good idea to not have it the same way as doubletapping | 18:29 |
| clau | yeah, I think the idea was that you may be reading something (webbrowser, email etc) and it goes to sleep while you do so. | 18:30 |
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| chem|st | but the pwrbtn could bring you to homescreen instead of lock-screen | 18:30 |
| clau | and you want to bring the app back as quick as possible. | 18:30 |
| chem|st | with a double-press | 18:30 |
| Yaniel | now it did | 18:30 |
| clau | Yaniel, it happened to me too. But I'm not quite sure if I left it with an app on :|. I'll play with this feature a bit more before deciding if it works correctly or not. | 18:30 |
| Yaniel | could someone confirm how long the timer is? | 18:30 |
| clau | 30s by default, I think. | 18:30 |
| chem|st | new settings for that? | 18:31 |
| clau | screen timeout, I assumed. | 18:31 |
| tango_ | > Rendering improvements during scrolling through disabling subpixel dragging < now it makes me wonder what subpixel dragging was in the first place | 18:31 |
| Yaniel | for app restoring after screensaver? I doubt it | 18:31 |
| chem|st | would be nice to have a setting | 18:31 |
| clau | wait, what? | 18:31 |
| tango_ | and > Front camera now has a resolution of 2 Mpx in aspect ratio 4:3 < how the heck did this happen? | 18:31 |
| clau | they increased the sensor size during upgrade. (j/k) | 18:32 |
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| narchie | what | 18:32 |
| chem|st | tango_: it is a 2Mpx sensor why not make use of it? | 18:32 |
| Kiranos | ouch jolla released on a friday, why is that? why not wait until monday :) | 18:33 |
| narchie | is this real | 18:33 |
| narchie | 1.0.3.8 available | 18:33 |
| clau | not all apps support landscape :( | 18:33 |
| clau | email doesn't. | 18:33 |
| chem|st | Kiranos: they always release on friday? | 18:33 |
| clau | Naranek, yes: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 18:33 |
| Yaniel | narchie: yes, updated already | 18:33 |
| chem|st | narchie: yaeh hours old | 18:33 |
| chem|st | :) | 18:34 |
| narchie | nice | 18:34 |
| Kiranos | chem|st: very strange, we always hold of on doing anything major on fridays as if something breaks it will be two days of unanswered concerns | 18:34 |
| clau | and boy... the vkb takes almost the entire screen in landscape :( | 18:34 |
| chem|st | seems to be a large one too... takes for ages to install | 18:34 |
| clau | it covers even the input box for URL's in the browser. | 18:34 |
| chem|st | Kiranos: phone upgrades if gone wrong do not matter on what dow | 18:35 |
| narchie | NFC bug fix for better battery life | 18:35 |
| narchie | does that mean I can unmask tohd | 18:35 |
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| Yaniel | clau: well "xbox360 has more memory than a gaming pc because they patch the chips with every update" | 18:35 |
| chem|st | narchie: yeah and it was said to be aa good idea to do that before upgrading | 18:35 |
| clau | actually, it's fine now (vkb in landscape). odd. | 18:35 |
| chem|st | I am the goat trying without unmasking | 18:35 |
| tango_ | chem|st: the question is, how was it before? | 18:35 |
| clau | Yaniel, definitely. | 18:35 |
| restless_being | hm, i see no fixes for unstable wifi connection :( | 18:36 |
| tango_ | I think the link to the changelog should be in the topic | 18:36 |
| Kiranos | talk.maemo.org should be happy atleast :) Improved recovery mode functionality introducing new features such as bootloader unlocking, shell and filesystem recovery options | 18:36 |
| tango_ | Yaniel: who the heck said that? | 18:36 |
| chem|st | tango_: was what before? | 18:36 |
| tango_ | chem|st: sorry, the front camera in 4:3 mode | 18:36 |
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| Yaniel | some comment on youtube soneone had a screenshot of | 18:36 |
| clau | from the logs: | 18:37 |
| tango_ | Yaniel: rotfl | 18:37 |
| chem|st | tango_: was some 1.3 or some?! | 18:37 |
| narchie | alright | 18:37 |
| clau | >> Stskeeps: also, guys, if something is indeed coming, please, for the love of god, use the built in update method, not command line | 18:37 |
| narchie | thanks for th eheads up | 18:37 |
| tango_ | chem|st: interesting | 18:37 |
| chem|st | or another odd number | 18:37 |
| chem|st | but not the said 2Mpx from the initial specs on jolla.com | 18:37 |
| tango_ | (odd indeed) | 18:37 |
| clau | regarding tohd: >> Stskeeps: mikma: well, you guys disabled it, i guess you should reenable it, :P | 18:37 |
| tango_ | > Removes editor restriction on one detail of any specific type < what does that mean? having e.g. two emails or two whatevers for the same person? | 18:38 |
| raa70 | installing... | 18:38 |
| * tango_ hasn't used the phone/contact part of the phone yet, actually | 18:38 | |
| Eztran | Well, now's your chance, 'cause that looks like a massive improvement. | 18:39 |
| tango_ | > URL input method for search/url field < YES FINALLY OH GOD | 18:39 |
| tango_ | Eztran: still need a frigging microsi | 18:39 |
| tango_ | m | 18:39 |
| chem|st | housten we have a go | 18:39 |
| chem|st | tohd is masked | 18:40 |
| tango_ | batterly level 25% | 18:41 |
| tango_ | and phone is connect | 18:41 |
| tango_ | tohd is unmasked | 18:41 |
| tango_ | let's roll | 18:41 |
| tango_ | beautiful pictures btw | 18:41 |
| chem|st | oh no they changed the orientationlock for gestures... | 18:41 |
| * tango_ is quite happy of having trusted jolla by preordering the phone | 18:41 | |
| tango_ | chem|st: they removed the orientationlok | 18:42 |
| chem|st | 1.5month to getting used to have it not rotate.... | 18:42 |
| tango_ | I actually prefer it that way | 18:42 |
| tango_ | i.e. unlocked | 18:42 |
| clau | chem|st, what did you just close by mistake? :) | 18:42 |
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| tango_ | clau: not the chat window apparently | 18:42 |
| tango_ | 8-D | 18:42 |
| clau | :D | 18:42 |
| chem|st | tango_: yeah fck it its broken! | 18:42 |
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| chem|st | no orientation lock when in an app but on $-screens | 18:43 |
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| chem|st | clau: I landed in notification screen instead of home... | 18:43 |
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| chem|st | tango_: I should have ordered 2... | 18:44 |
| tango_ | < chem|st> no orientation lock when in an app but on $-screens | 18:45 |
| tango_ | -EPARSE | 18:45 |
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| clau | so, let's see if I get the email in 5 minutes :| | 18:45 |
| chem|st | tango_: $=[lock,home,launcher] | 18:45 |
| chem|st | so housten we have a problem | 18:46 |
| clau | what kind? | 18:46 |
| chem|st | gallery is portrait on starting page but one step deeper without orientation lock | 18:46 |
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| chem|st | have a look at your ambiences in landscape... | 18:47 |
| tango_ | so if you have a landscape app and you pull from the top (which is the right in portrait mode) it closes, but on the $-screen even in landscape mode pulling from the top (which is the right in portrait mode) does what? | 18:47 |
| chem|st | instead of showing 4 in a row it is the same raster just bigger | 18:47 |
| clau | I see, so there are some inconsistencies. | 18:47 |
| chem|st | tango_: the same as in portrait mode | 18:47 |
| Eztran | Orientation lock inconsistent between homescreen and apps? It's like Harmattan all over again. Except this time it can be fixed :) | 18:48 |
| chem|st | tango_: that is why it is broken by default | 18:48 |
| clau | a tad early to be sure, but I think the email syncing problem is still present :( | 18:48 |
| tango_ | the question is: do the $ screens now actually support landscape mode? | 18:48 |
| chem|st | Eztran: they do not rotate the UI so where is the point in rotating gestures | 18:49 |
| chem|st | oh and the ambience page in gallery is the only rotated | 18:50 |
| chem|st | rotating | 18:50 |
| Eztran | Eh, more things will likely rotate with time, and hopefully by the time they're finished it'll appear consistent. | 18:50 |
| Sail0r | love the landscape mode :) | 18:51 |
| Sail0r | the keyboard fix also fixed landscape mode for many other apps | 18:51 |
| tango_ | > more things will likely rotate with time < this lends itself to some nasty jokes | 18:52 |
| Eztran | *cough* | 18:52 |
| tango_ | (does “rotating balls” to mean being nervous/annoyed work in other languages?) | 18:52 |
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| cb400f | Sail0r: I don't suppose landscape mode was added to the sms/texting app too, and it just slipped out of the changelog? ;-) | 18:53 |
| AL13N | hurray! there is update | 18:53 |
| Quu | AL13N: you are 3h late ;p | 18:53 |
| clau | AL13N, you missed all the fun. | 18:53 |
| AL13N | well, i had to pick up kid and make food and watch kid, it's finally asleep | 18:54 |
| Quu | s/fun/cry/ | 18:54 |
| AL13N | cry? | 18:54 |
| Eztran | The fact that being 3 hours behind is 'late to the party' says a lot about how obsessively this community is watching. | 18:54 |
| Sail0r | cb400f: no text sms is still not in landscape mode | 18:54 |
| Quu | people be bitching. | 18:54 |
| AL13N | i thought there was nice bugfixes/features? | 18:54 |
| Sail0r | but webcat and co profit from the new landscape keyboard | 18:54 |
| AL13N | Quu: aren't they always | 18:54 |
| clau | AL13N, since when are the kids more important than gadgets?! :P | 18:54 |
| Quu | AL13N: no matter what happens, there is always someone who whines about every fucking possible thing | 18:54 |
| AL13N | yes | 18:54 |
| cb400f | Sail0r: ok, nice to have something to look forward to :-) | 18:54 |
| clau | AL13N, I'm running 1.0.3.8. no problems updating. | 18:54 |
| Eztran | Amazing, isn't it? They get landscape working, and sort out the bootloader... and people whine about something else. Can't win. | 18:55 |
| AL13N | i can whine too | 18:55 |
| AL13N | this is normal | 18:55 |
| Sail0r | if nobody whines there is a true problem ;) | 18:55 |
| AL13N | they'll only whine about the stuff that isn't fixed/done yet | 18:55 |
| clau | well, there are still some big problems left untouched. | 18:55 |
| AL13N | Sail0r: true that | 18:55 |
| clau | it was expected, just as the whines were. | 18:55 |
| AL13N | clau: better untouched than badly touched | 18:55 |
| Eztran | +1 for that. | 18:55 |
| AL13N | i like the progress on the image during upgrade | 18:56 |
| AL13N | even though that's from last update :-) | 18:56 |
| clau | but, there's nice progress done. and they kept their promise of one update per month. | 18:56 |
| chem|st | clau: tango_ gestures do only rotate if app page is rotating | 18:56 |
| Eztran | Well, that makes sense. | 18:56 |
| clau | yep | 18:57 |
| AL13N | i assume this means that app builders will have to recheck their current workarounds :-) | 18:57 |
| tango_ | oh wow brightness really works now | 18:57 |
| clau | yep, noticed that too. | 18:57 |
| AL13N | tango_: it didn't before? | 18:57 |
| tango_ | I can't say I see the difference in the scrolling | 18:57 |
| clau | AL13N, it didn't for me. | 18:57 |
| tango_ | AL13N: well, it had a very long hysteresis | 18:57 |
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| raa70 | i don't like the new brightness | 18:58 |
| AL13N | i liked that it was subtle and unnoticable | 18:58 |
| tango_ | so you would move the slider, and a couple of months later the screen would actually be brighter | 18:58 |
| AL13N | maybe it's configurable | 18:58 |
| raa70 | it should be whole lot faster or the way it used to be | 18:58 |
| clau | it... wasn't working. that's why you didn't notice it :D | 18:58 |
| AL13N | tango_: oh, that you mean | 18:58 |
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| tango_ | clau: lol | 18:58 |
| Sail0r | on together browser does not focus to textfield anymore | 18:58 |
| Sail0r | like that | 18:58 |
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| AL13N | i noticed that if my shadow hit the top corner the screen would go darker | 18:58 |
| tango_ | chem|st: well, so gestures follow the whatever-is-in-front orientation lock? makes sense to me | 18:58 |
| AL13N | and lighter if the top right corner was lighted | 18:58 |
| clau | aha | 18:59 |
| zbenjamin | nooo my download stopped and now i have to start again | 18:59 |
| clau | zbenjamin, just wait. | 18:59 |
| AL13N | ooh, nice sailfish bar | 18:59 |
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| clau | zbenjamin, it happened to me too, but it resumed. In fact, it might as well be working but not updating the progress. | 18:59 |
| clau | zbenjamin, or, did you get an error? | 19:00 |
| AL13N | yes | 19:00 |
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| zbenjamin | clau: no its stopping and tells me available for download again | 19:00 |
| AL13N | me too | 19:00 |
| zbenjamin | i guess too many people are downloading right now | 19:00 |
| clau | no idea then :|. hopefully it will resume, not start from scratch. | 19:00 |
| Eztran | The servers could well be overloaded - apparently, they were earlier. | 19:00 |
| AL13N | yes, i had this | 19:00 |
| AL13N | it stopped and resumed itself | 19:00 |
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| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/21886/bug-introduced-landscape-bugs-by-1038/ | 19:01 |
| chem|st | comment your findings I add them | 19:01 |
| AL13N | "Clearly distinguish Android apps from native apps in Store" <--- this will really help | 19:02 |
| chem|st | tango_: that breaks with the muscle memory intention | 19:02 |
| chem|st | as you adapt to form not visuals | 19:03 |
| Sail0r | aliendalvik window behaviour is indeed a little weird with the update ^^ | 19:03 |
| clau | Sail0r, what do you mean? | 19:04 |
| Sail0r | start one app | 19:04 |
| Sail0r | and after that start another app | 19:04 |
| Quu | AL13N: well, "clearly".. atleast they are marked now | 19:04 |
| Sail0r | there appears another window for the app | 19:04 |
| Sail0r | which says loading | 19:04 |
| clau | hmm, ok. luckily I have two apps :) | 19:04 |
| Sail0r | but the actual app is started in the first window | 19:05 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 19:05 |
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| clau | huh... what did just happen there? :D | 19:05 |
| AL13N | Quu: i haven't seen it yet, last part of upgrade | 19:05 |
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| Quu | seems like they are trying to get multitasking-whatever to work with android apps | 19:06 |
| Quu | or its some silly bug there | 19:06 |
| Sail0r | +1 for multitasking ;) | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | i think it's just to show that the app is loading | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | before you only saw the old app till the new app was loaded | 19:08 |
| mornfall | Quu: yeah, I noticed that one too | 19:09 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: you want jolla do tricks with android not even google does... | 19:09 |
| mornfall | chem|st: of course, we coulda gotten an android otherwise :P | 19:09 |
| Sail0r | i know ;) | 19:09 |
| Sail0r | and it's not important | 19:09 |
| Sail0r | more important are native apps | 19:10 |
| mornfall | oh yes it is important :-) | 19:10 |
| mornfall | my bank is never going to make a sailfish app | 19:10 |
| Sail0r | but your bank does not have 8 apps but just one ^^ so you do not need multitasking ;) | 19:10 |
| mornfall | they aren't making a WP one either, so now I can laugh at my WP-toting friends :-) | 19:10 |
| virtuald | be your own bank? | 19:11 |
| virtuald | kidding | 19:11 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: there are other semi-fringe apps that are unlikely to appear, like goodreads or okc :-) | 19:12 |
| clau | regarding the android behavior, there's a funnt behavior while opening email app from notifications: first you see the home screen with the email app, then it switched to the email. | 19:13 |
| AL13N | O_o: the edit contact is fixed too | 19:13 |
| clau | or is this something that I just didn't notice before? | 19:13 |
| clau | *funny, switches | 19:13 |
| Quu | clau: iirc that happened before too | 19:14 |
| Quu | oh no, it didnt | 19:14 |
| Quu | it went to blank email | 19:15 |
| clau | I'm still glad it opens the email correctly now :) | 19:15 |
| mornfall | I kinda wish there was a real bugtracker. :-) | 19:15 |
| mornfall | together is pretty clunky | 19:16 |
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| clau | mornfall, +1 | 19:16 |
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| Nicd- | clau: what do you mean? no white emails anymore? | 19:16 |
| clau | Nicd-, so far, no. | 19:16 |
| AL13N | "Fixes an issue where images in certain conditions have very cold (blue) tones." <-- now that they mention it, i've seen this before | 19:16 |
| chem|st | mornfall: banking on android devices? could post my private key to reddit as well | 19:16 |
| Nicd- | AL13N: I see it all the time with all the snow here :P | 19:16 |
| Waitee | hmm | 19:16 |
| Waitee | my emails open white | 19:17 |
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| clau | Nicd-, let me test with an html mail though. So far I got only plain text. | 19:17 |
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| Waitee | at least this new one i opened | 19:17 |
| AL13N | yes, white and especially overlighted flash, gave blue-ish hue | 19:17 |
| mornfall | chem|st: really? :) | 19:17 |
| mornfall | chem|st: tell me more about it | 19:17 |
| Waitee | if i open the new mail through the notification it opens blank white | 19:17 |
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| Waitee | but when opened through the mail app even html mails open fine | 19:18 |
| clau | Nicd-, Waitee : it works with html email too. does not open blank anymore. | 19:18 |
| Waitee | mine doesnt | 19:19 |
| clau | though, I still see first the home screen with the email app starting just before I get into the email. | 19:19 |
| clau | Waitee, just to be sure, have you upgraded to 1.0.3.8 ? | 19:19 |
| Waitee | yes | 19:19 |
| Nicd- | I just keep the email app always open | 19:19 |
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| clau | I usually keep it too. | 19:19 |
| chem|st | mediaplayer: finaly the 0:01 tracks are gone | 19:21 |
| Quu | nobody ever sends me mail ;_____; | 19:21 |
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| Sail0r | do you want some @ Quu ? ^^ | 19:22 |
| chem|st | mornfall: my private key or how I got rich by banking with android - on several phone all over the world simultaneously... | 19:22 |
| Sail0r | i have plenty of spam which i can forward no problem ^^ | 19:22 |
| Quu | Sail0r: no, dont add me to some spamlists :p | 19:22 |
| Waitee | thank god im not in the guild board anymore | 19:22 |
| Sail0r | :P | 19:22 |
| zbenjamin | installing .-.---- | 19:23 |
| Quu | there used to be couple nice sites for spam | 19:23 |
| Waitee | i got like 100 email a week | 19:23 |
| Quu | my friend said he gets no spam | 19:23 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: spam... havent seen that for years now... they still doing it? | 19:23 |
| Sail0r | yep | 19:23 |
| Quu | and the cursed 15min alter when he got 200 spam mails | 19:23 |
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| Waitee | i got no spam | 19:23 |
| mornfall | chem|st: it's pretty hard to get the keys out of a SIM card | 19:23 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: I am not talking about the private SIM keys for your mobile network... I am talking about rsa keys or bitcoin keys or gpg keys | 19:24 |
| mornfall | chem|st: what do you think the banking app uses? | 19:24 |
| mornfall | they aren't storing a private key on your sd card | 19:25 |
| Sail0r | base64 encoding *g* | 19:25 |
| mornfall | I mean, banks are stupid, but not that stupid | 19:25 |
| chem|st | mornfall: oh tell me why those banking apps work on tablets and phones just the same when they use SIM credentials... | 19:26 |
| mornfall | chem|st: maybe your bank is more stupid than mine :-) | 19:26 |
| chem|st | and banks are highly stupid | 19:26 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: most abnking apps I have seen on play are available for my tablet so that makes it all banks are stupid | 19:26 |
| chem|st | banks using sms-tan are not only stupid... they are insanely stupid | 19:27 |
| mornfall | chem|st: well, even if the keys are stored in the open, there don't seem to be any exploits going around | 19:27 |
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| mornfall | so what's wrong with sms tans? | 19:28 |
| mornfall | (what usually happens is a phishing attack) | 19:28 |
| chem|st | mornfall: just cause you did not get hit does not mean that it does not happen | 19:28 |
| mornfall | chem|st: I regularly see phishing alerts from the bank. Nothing about smartphone malware yet. | 19:28 |
| chem|st | yeah sms-tan on smartphones is that the device getting the tan is the same as actually requesting one | 19:29 |
| mornfall | well, obviously it doesn't help for smartphone | 19:29 |
| mornfall | is anybode doing that? :) | 19:29 |
| chem|st | jan21 the german office of security and IT announced 16million identity thefts recognized from botnet activity | 19:31 |
| chem|st | the trojan on your phone is doing that - and NSA listens | 19:32 |
| chem|st | ok I'll stop :) | 19:32 |
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| mornfall | the trojan isn't sending me sms-tans :p I was asking about those | 19:33 |
| mornfall | actually, I find how much your bank knows about you much more disturbing | 19:35 |
| zbenjamin | anyone using sailotp? | 19:37 |
| zbenjamin | i lost my settings there | 19:37 |
| mornfall | compromised apps don't last long in the big stores anyway | 19:37 |
| mornfall | zbenjamin: you lost data (almost) everywhere | 19:37 |
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| mornfall | zbenjamin: they are still in the filesystem | 19:37 |
| mornfall | zbenjamin: just need some moving | 19:37 |
| mornfall | zbenjamin: .local/share/<app>/<app>/QML is it now, was .local/share/<app>/QML before the update | 19:37 |
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| tango_ | ok, liking the upgrade so far | 19:38 |
| tango_ | MISSING FROM THE CHANGELOG: calendar list actually scrollable now | 19:38 |
| tango_ | who has control on the changelog page? | 19:39 |
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| zbenjamin | mornfall: two times app? | 19:41 |
| veskuh | its organization/appname | 19:42 |
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| veskuh | libsailfishapp now set organization same as app name to fulfill harbor requirement | 19:42 |
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| veskuh | since many apps did not set these paths changed | 19:42 |
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| phaeron | https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp/commit/3febb7a2204cf13f01ab9e9ff86a84afc9b137d7 | 19:44 |
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| juergbi | hm, the store still says system update to 1.0.3.8 available even though i updated to 1.0.38 half an hour ago... | 19:46 |
| Iltsu | you lucke, here it doesn't even download it | 19:46 |
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| Quu | tango_: Aard does | 19:52 |
| Quu | err atleast he made it | 19:52 |
| Quu | derp, i dont know | 19:52 |
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| Aard | tango_: changelog is a summary of the main/most important changes, it does not contain 100% of all the little things | 19:54 |
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| chem|st | Aard: can you say hello to someone for me? | 19:57 |
| Aard | chem|st: maybe | 19:57 |
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| chem|st | whoever coded the last bits of the phone app (quick call settings) needs to rethink what was asked and what he has implemented | 19:58 |
| chem|st | or she | 19:59 |
| chem|st | Aard: sorry but all I see with this upgrade for now is impressive | 20:00 |
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| chem|st | in a bad way | 20:01 |
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| Aard | chem|st: can you explain? | 20:01 |
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| nathrakh | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNYjdr5tCSs awesome new Webcat with download manager and more | 20:02 |
| chem|st | which part? | 20:02 |
| chem|st | Aard: I am writting everything at together and tag it 1.0.3.8 | 20:02 |
| chem|st | it seems totaly broken with gestures only turning when page turns - where is the I do not need to look at my device to do anything? | 20:03 |
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| chem|st | is there a way to revert back to 2.5? | 20:04 |
| Sail0r | ? | 20:05 |
| Sail0r | wtf | 20:07 |
| Aard | chem|st: invoker --type=qt5 store-client osupdate-set 1.0.2.5 should open store client and allow downgrading. though I still don't understand what your problems are | 20:07 |
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| zbenjamin | anything new on the MMS front? | 20:09 |
| Aard | zbenjamin: it's beeing worked on, no release date. | 20:09 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: thats something :) what about 2way sync? is there a release date ? | 20:09 |
| Aard | no release date as well, unfortunately. it'll come as fast as our resources allow | 20:10 |
| tango_ | Aard: so is there other place where these kind of minor fixes could be advertised | 20:10 |
| tango_ | ? | 20:10 |
| AL13N | i suppose they'll be tagged with roadmap or maybe a new tag? being-worked-on ? | 20:11 |
| Sail0r | does anyone know what the phone is doing? invoker[1043]: SailfishKeyProvider_ini_read: reached end of file | 20:11 |
| AL13N | Aard: being-worked-on sounds like a good idea | 20:11 |
| chem|st | Aard: the orientation of the gestures changes with apps not how I hold the phone... | 20:11 |
| AL13N | Sail0r: that sounds like the keychain app | 20:11 |
| Tofe | Acce: https://github.com/Tofee/harbour-unofficialETA/commit/9adcf509227906cecabb9dcbdd28e00d1c277748 ;) | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | this came 4 times in a row and display did not show anything | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | it keept staying blank | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | but background ligth was on | 20:12 |
| tango_ | Aard: I mean the minor fixes that have been done for the upgrade but are not in the changelog, of course | 20:12 |
| AL13N | the minor changes are on the bottom of the together post | 20:13 |
| chem|st | Aard: open gallery -> ambiences... for example... it is turned so are the gestures.. go back one page and the gestures are turned again... go to pictures and view one and you are in landscape gestures again... | 20:13 |
| chem|st | how stupid is that? | 20:13 |
| AL13N | though i did see that the edit contact link is fixed too | 20:13 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: anyway its good that the power bug is gone! it was really annoying to always stop tohd after rebooting | 20:13 |
| Sail0r | If i open tweets from landscape mode | 20:14 |
| Sail0r | they not change back to portrait if i turn over the phone | 20:14 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: https://together.jolla.com/question/21886/bug-introduced-orientation-bugs-by-1038/ | 20:14 |
| Sail0r | thx | 20:15 |
| chem|st | zbenjamin: you could have masked the service... | 20:15 |
| AL13N | Aard: is this also being worked on? https://together.jolla.com/question/5825/ringtone-per-contact/ | 20:15 |
| chem|st | zbenjamin: if that was your only concern | 20:15 |
| zbenjamin | chem|st: yeah but i wanted it to work again after the update ;) | 20:15 |
| chem|st | sorry for being sarcastic... | 20:16 |
| AL13N | chem|st: i don't want to sound negative, but i can imagine not everyone thinks that the updates are all bad | 20:16 |
| AL13N | at the very least not me | 20:16 |
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| zbenjamin | are there that many new bugs? | 20:17 |
| Sail0r | no | 20:17 |
| zbenjamin | even if there are some, its a whole phone OS and just a small team, Jolla doesn't have the manpower of Nokia... so i think some bugs are ok ;) | 20:18 |
| Sail0r | and it's still beta | 20:18 |
| zbenjamin | yep | 20:19 |
| Sail0r | and even the big ones have bugs | 20:19 |
| Sail0r | but the difference is that jolla listens to the community and does it's best to find and erase bugs | 20:19 |
| zbenjamin | btw is there a date for end of beta? | 20:20 |
| Sail0r | when it is done ;) | 20:20 |
| zbenjamin | pffff ;) | 20:20 |
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| zbenjamin | is there a way to share my location? I find that handy sometimes | 20:20 |
| Quu | zbenjamin: NSA knows where you are, you dont need to share that info | 20:21 |
| zbenjamin | Quu: lol | 20:21 |
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| zbenjamin | Quu: i take that as a no ;) | 20:22 |
| TheBootroo | HELP PLEASE !!!! | 20:22 |
| Sail0r | hui https://together.jolla.com/question/21918/do-not-update-to-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 20:22 |
| __pv | ouch, https://together.jolla.com/question/21842/can-i-restore-lost-settings-after-update-1038/ | 20:22 |
| TheBootroo | i updated | 20:22 |
| zbenjamin | TheBootroo: sounds not good | 20:22 |
| TheBootroo | all went fine | 20:22 |
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| TheBootroo | but sometimes after all android app disappeared | 20:23 |
| TheBootroo | so i thought about a bug | 20:23 |
| TheBootroo | i tried restart | 20:23 |
| TheBootroo | after restart it asked me language | 20:23 |
| TheBootroo | so i selected it | 20:23 |
| TheBootroo | then black screen few seconds | 20:23 |
| TheBootroo | then rotating wait icon | 20:23 |
| TheBootroo | and then i am on my home screen but weirdly rotated | 20:24 |
| zbenjamin | maybe you can reset the desktop settings | 20:24 |
| TheBootroo | like 90° anticlockwise | 20:24 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: ugh. not again | 20:24 |
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| Aard | TheBootroo: can you ssh in? | 20:24 |
| TheBootroo | and translated 100px to the right | 20:24 |
| TheBootroo | i tried reboot | 20:24 |
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| TheBootroo | i tried remove baterry | 20:24 |
| TheBootroo | nothing hepls | 20:24 |
| TheBootroo | *helps | 20:24 |
| chem|st | AL13N: I don't think all are bad but the most obviouse drives me crazy | 20:24 |
| zbenjamin | TheBootroo: try talking to Aard maybe helps | 20:24 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: ssh ? maybe | 20:24 |
| Sail0r | you have this bug i think? https://together.jolla.com/question/21918/do-not-update-to-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 20:25 |
| chem|st | AL13N: the not so obviouse ones have a nice touch | 20:25 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: try, please | 20:25 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: i have to check if it has network on | 20:25 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: known issue ? | 20:25 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: if it is what I think it is, known issue which we hoped to not see anymore | 20:25 |
| chem|st | AL13N: I am checking one by one and while checking I get more and mor annoyed by the landscape gestures not always landscap | 20:25 |
| chem|st | e | 20:25 |
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| TheBootroo | Aard: :-/ | 20:26 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: what would be the fix for this problem? | 20:26 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: i'm in it | 20:26 |
| TheBootroo | as nemo | 20:26 |
| zbenjamin | in case i get it ;) | 20:26 |
| TheBootroo | what should i do ? | 20:27 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: ? | 20:27 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: one moment | 20:28 |
| Aard | what's the output of gconftool-2 --get /desktop/jolla/components/screen_rotation_angle | 20:28 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: "No value set for `/desktop/jolla/components/screen_rotation_angle'" | 20:29 |
| Aard | do gconftool-2 --type int --set /desktop/jolla/components/screen_rotation_angle 0 and reboot | 20:29 |
| TheBootroo | maybe some default value handling missing in lipstick code ? | 20:29 |
| Aard | no, the key is there, there is just some very obscure condition where gconf loses some keys | 20:30 |
| * TheBootroo never liked gconf | 20:30 | |
| zbenjamin | Aard: can'T you fallback on a sane value in this case? | 20:30 |
| TheBootroo | that gnome thing never works properly | 20:30 |
| TheBootroo | why not use DConf ? | 20:30 |
| zbenjamin | TheBootroo: of course not its gnome ;) | 20:31 |
| Aard | we're moving away from gconf, we just have a handful of bits in there for legacy reason- | 20:31 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: now screen is correct | 20:31 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: but no more ambiance | 20:31 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: and my language is not like i selected it | 20:31 |
| TheBootroo | and no more android app | 20:31 |
| zbenjamin | wtf | 20:31 |
| veskuh | Aard: probably worth it to comment on TJC about the workaround. | 20:32 |
| TheBootroo | oh and in fact no more settings at all | 20:32 |
| TheBootroo | no accounts | 20:32 |
| tango_ | question re android: any idea about a possible switch from .dex to ART? | 20:32 |
| Aard | veskuh: the screenshot on tjc is something else | 20:32 |
| TheBootroo | and Settings app won't start | 20:32 |
| veskuh | Aard: ok | 20:32 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: no app will start | 20:32 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: can you ssh in and start via ssh to get logs? | 20:32 |
| TheBootroo | every app shows 'splash' on home and then crash | 20:33 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: how | 20:33 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: i tried jolle-setttings from CLI | 20:33 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: ssh device-ip? :) | 20:33 |
| TheBootroo | i got it tring to load Qt QPA plugin XCB | 20:33 |
| TheBootroo | wtf | 20:33 |
| TheBootroo | isn't it supposed to use wayland ? | 20:34 |
| Waitee | someone said it takes longer to load android apps the first time after update | 20:34 |
| Waitee | mine loads a lot faster | 20:34 |
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| TheBootroo | Aard: if i add -platform wayland it starts | 20:34 |
| chem|st | clau: tango_ what where you talking about pwrbtn? just tested - if screen times out and you press pwrbtn you come right back where you were at | 20:34 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: but it seems i have no account anymore | 20:35 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: is version saying that you're on 1.0.3.8? | 20:35 |
| TheBootroo | and all setttings reset to base | 20:35 |
| TheBootroo | yeo | 20:35 |
| Aard | do pkcon refresh; pkcon get-updates and see if it offers updates | 20:35 |
| Frye | Wohoo! My zimbra account sync works now. | 20:36 |
| Frye | What a brilliant update has this been so far. | 20:36 |
| Frye | Yeah I was struck with the local storage, but that's a minor bit after seeing all the good stuff :D | 20:36 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: language is French but clock is still shown AM/PM formattingd | 20:36 |
| Aard | clock is a separate setting | 20:37 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: what to do for the apps to start with right platform plugin ? | 20:37 |
| Frye | Hmm, so no standard units with Englush language yet it seems. | 20:38 |
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| Frye | Well that's also a minor annoyance. | 20:38 |
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| Frye | And there is a workaround | 20:39 |
| cvp | hello | 20:39 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: can you please follow my questions for now? :) | 20:40 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: ssh is blocked | 20:40 |
| TheBootroo | maybe shoul i reboot | 20:40 |
| Aard | hmpf | 20:40 |
| Aard | yes | 20:40 |
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| TheBootroo | Aard: rebooted | 20:42 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: ssh now works but refresh blocks on Updating packages list | 20:42 |
| TheBootroo | 0% | 20:42 |
| TheBootroo | :-((( | 20:43 |
| TheBootroo | oh 18% now | 20:43 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: | 20:44 |
| TheBootroo | Message : connection-refused: adaptation0: Store credentials not received. Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. adaptation1: Store credentials not received. Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, th | 20:44 |
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| TheBootroo | Aard: i have network connection working (i can ping google.com) | 20:46 |
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| TheBootroo | Aard: what is the problem now ?? | 20:47 |
| phaeron | probably your jolla account on device is b0rked | 20:48 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: can you start store client? | 20:48 |
| TheBootroo | phaeron: i have no account of nothing now | 20:48 |
| TheBootroo | device screwed up :-( | 20:48 |
| Pnuu | TheBootroo: just follow what Aard says, don't mind others :-) | 20:49 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: what is the command to start store ? | 20:49 |
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| Aard | TheBootroo: store-client | 20:50 |
| TheBootroo | QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.108' | 20:50 |
| TheBootroo | void Store::StoreAccount::signIn() No valid jolla account! | 20:51 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: what is command for keyboard ? | 20:52 |
| TheBootroo | i tried create account but kdb doesn't work | 20:52 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: can't i just reset the device from command line | 20:52 |
| TheBootroo | cause everything is screwed up everywhere | 20:53 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: you can do device reset from rescue menu | 20:53 |
| TheBootroo | doing it | 20:53 |
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| TheBootroo | but after reset, if it still doesn't work and i don't have ssh access anymore, what will i do ? | 20:54 |
| Aard | reset brings you back to a completely clean state, like when you bought it | 20:54 |
| Aard | so, backup your stuff if you didn't do already | 20:54 |
| TheBootroo | ok so i will have to update again | 20:54 |
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| TheBootroo | device restarting | 20:55 |
| Axel__ | Does someone know if sailfish os will be available for android devices? | 20:57 |
| Morpog_PC | it already is | 20:57 |
| Morpog_PC | just not for everyone :D | 20:57 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: which one? ;) | 20:57 |
| flanag | nexus 4 | 20:58 |
| Morpog_PC | nexus 4, nexus 7 | 20:58 |
| flanag | oh nexus 7 too? | 20:58 |
| Morpog_PC | sure | 20:58 |
| Axel__ | I haven't found anything about that o.O | 20:58 |
| Morpog_PC | jolla ceo (or cto?) has it in his hands using it | 20:58 |
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| flanag | ah yes, now I remember | 20:58 |
| flanag | btw, it was nice to see that it's worth it to report bugs | 20:59 |
| Morpog_PC | http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bb7eX52CIAAOC3H-667x375.jpg | 20:59 |
| flanag | the lock-code bypass was fixed | 20:59 |
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| TheBootroo | Aard: do you hint me to update to last version before changing anything else ? | 20:59 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: but there are no images right | 21:00 |
| Axel__ | Does it will be possible for normal users? | 21:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, not yet unfortunately | 21:00 |
| Quu | Axel__: iirc the nexus 4 was done with typical recovery, flashable zip file | 21:00 |
| * tango_ wants jolla on the TF700T | 21:00 | |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, but you can get nemomobile running on it :) | 21:00 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: if lots of people have this issue a how to recover text would be nice | 21:01 |
| tango_ | btw anybody confirms that audio is lagged by about half a sec in android? | 21:01 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: :) | 21:01 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQZJcEwEow | 21:01 |
| tango_ | (android in jolla) | 21:01 |
| Tegu | tango_: yea I've noticed it when watching some videos | 21:01 |
| tango_ | (in sailfish os) | 21:01 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: fastest way to a working device would be device reset -> update to 1.0.2.5 -> update to 1.0.3.8 -> install everything. or we can try to collect more bits from your device | 21:01 |
| Tegu | LL's video player from openrepos helped (since it's native) | 21:02 |
| Aard | zbenjamin: the issue on together and from TheBootroo are two different things. currently no idea about the together issue, current assumption is that something in the openrepos repos screws things up | 21:02 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: so i should reinstall warehouse ? | 21:02 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: eww, maybe i should disable my repos then | 21:02 |
| TheBootroo | *NOT | 21:02 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm, mine still works great, despite lots of repos from openrepos | 21:03 |
| Axel__ | Sorry again, just another question. It will available a "cheap"(less expensive than the first jolla phone) phone? | 21:03 |
| Morpog_PC | well, a nexus 4 is cheaper | 21:03 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: you can, but if something breaks you can keep the pieces. few weeks back we already had one case with one openrepos app removing some necessary bits | 21:03 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: yeah but it might be just one app that screws it up | 21:03 |
| juergbi | is there any ETA on delivery of the delayed LE TOH? | 21:03 |
| Quu | Axel__: probably depends on typical android devs, if they feel like building ROM for the phone model | 21:04 |
| Quu | Axel__: and if the phone HW is supported | 21:04 |
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| zbenjamin | Aard: well thats the problem on a open phone like that right , easy to screw up with something like a store for unofficial apps | 21:05 |
| Axel__ | Quu: Ok, thank you. And what about a official jolla phone, it will available a less expensive jolla phone? | 21:05 |
| Sailor2333 | Aard which app was that? | 21:05 |
| Quu | Axel__: pretty sure there will be new models, cant say anything about prices before can see the HW | 21:06 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/22039/poll-which-version-of-jolla-phone-had-the-problem-after-the-1038-update/ | 21:06 |
| Axel__ | Sure. But Did Jolla say anithing about his intentions? | 21:07 |
| flanag | nope | 21:07 |
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| Sail0r | why should they introduce a new phone so short after the other phone? | 21:07 |
| Quu | Axel__: no, nothing yet | 21:07 |
| Aard | Sailor2333: trying to remember | 21:07 |
| Morpog_PC | Axel__, I guess they will tell more on MWC | 21:07 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: I don't understand that. :) | 21:08 |
| Sail0r | I think he wants to find out which "release" of the phone has problems | 21:09 |
| Axel__ | IMO, because many people can't spend 400 €, especially on a beta os. | 21:09 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: doesn't make any sense to me | 21:09 |
| Sail0r | for me too | 21:09 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 21:09 |
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| mornfall | it's all the same HW, and probably the same batch as well | 21:09 |
| Sail0r | I think a poll with "did you enable openrepos" would be better | 21:10 |
| zbenjamin | i just hope my phone does not break down, i have to go to a one week meeting .... | 21:10 |
| Sail0r | i hope the same | 21:10 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 21:10 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: well, if you downvote it now, it'll go negative ;-) | 21:10 |
| Sail0r | lol | 21:11 |
| Axel__ | however, thank to everyone very much. That was all my questions. Sorry for my bad English. I'll wait for leave Android :) | 21:11 |
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| mornfall | together needs more downvoters | 21:12 |
| mornfall | and less karma hoarding ;-) | 21:12 |
| Sailor2333 | iv'e few apps from openrepis, but no problems after the upgrade. should i remove openrepos when upgrading in the future? | 21:13 |
| Sailor2333 | .. just to be safe | 21:13 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: you'd have to uninstall all the packages you got there, to be safe | 21:14 |
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| mornfall | and well, because rpm is a clunky system, even then the packages could leave around garbage that can get in the way of an upgrade | 21:14 |
| Sail0r | I think you highlighted the wrong sailor | 21:15 |
| Sail0r | xD | 21:15 |
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| zbenjamin | Aard: is there a way to check which packages came from !jolla repos? | 21:15 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: like what was installed from openrepos | 21:15 |
| Aard | zbenjamin: there is, but don't ask me how | 21:15 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: ok ;) | 21:15 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: damnit :D | 21:16 |
| Sail0r | :P | 21:16 |
| mornfall | Sailor2333: ^^ | 21:16 |
| zbenjamin | i wonder if disabling openrepos and reinstalling all packages would solve the problem | 21:16 |
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| mornfall | zbenjamin: that largely depends on what the problem actually is -- without that info, it's all just speculation | 21:17 |
| Sail0r | rpm -qa --queryformat "%{Name}:%{Vendor}\n" | grep none | 21:17 |
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| zbenjamin | mornfall: at least it would proof that it was a broken package | 21:17 |
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| Sail0r | or grep -v meego if the vendor has otherthing than none in it | 21:18 |
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| zbenjamin | Sail0r: weird that aliendalvik is shown there | 21:21 |
| Sailor2333 | mornfall, thanks. then i better don't install anything from openrepos :) | 21:21 |
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| Sail0r | yeah i know but there is no vendor set | 21:23 |
| Sail0r | but it gives a brief overview what is from openrepos | 21:23 |
| zbenjamin | i now have only coderus' and warehouses repositories enabled. I hope thats fine :) | 21:23 |
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| Sail0r | there are all tags listed which rpm provides http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-queryformat-tags.html maybe someone finds a better indication | 21:24 |
| Sail0r | it would be nice if openrepos sets openrepos as vendor | 21:24 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 21:24 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: openrepos isn't a single repository though | 21:25 |
| Aard | Sail0r: iirch zypp/packagekit keeps additional metadata about the repos it downloaded the package from somewhere | 21:25 |
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| mornfall | Sail0r: and Vendor is set during rpmbuild anyway | 21:26 |
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| zbenjamin | shouldn't you be able to search all repositories for the currently installed package versions? | 21:27 |
| zbenjamin | hm but if there is a newer version you are lost :/ | 21:27 |
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| Sail0r | yum does provide a feature where you can list what is installed from where | 21:28 |
| Sail0r | maybe we should port yum to sailfish ^ | 21:28 |
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| Aard | I'm quite happy that we finally got rid of upm | 21:28 |
| Aard | yum | 21:28 |
| Sail0r | ;) | 21:28 |
| Sail0r | why? | 21:29 |
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| ln- | yum requires a ridiculous amount of memory at worst, is it even usable on mobile devices? | 21:29 |
| Aard | Sail0r: too much blowing up with funny error messages in unexpected situations | 21:30 |
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| Gorith | so, has anybody got any real reply from care@jolla.com? | 21:31 |
| zbenjamin | but if yum can get the info it is somewhere | 21:31 |
| Gorith | I have now waited three and half weeks | 21:32 |
| Sail0r | I got reply from care | 21:32 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 21:32 |
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| Quu | Gorith: i did, they told me to take battery out and market the case solved :p | 21:33 |
| Quu | marked, i cant english | 21:33 |
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| Gorith | ok, I just get a list of generic questions and that's it | 21:34 |
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| stephg | hey ho any sailors up still? | 21:40 |
| stephg | got a battery thing with 1.0.2.5 | 21:40 |
| Sail0r | ? | 21:41 |
| Quu | battery thing | 21:41 |
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| chem|st | o.O | 21:43 |
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| Sail0r | what battery thing? ^^ | 21:44 |
| Sail0r | and why not update to 1.0.3.8 | 21:44 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: what is this stuff with openrepos... how should having a repo active have any effect on a device | 21:44 |
| Aard | stephg: I maight be one | 21:44 |
| Sail0r | these are only guesses chem|st | 21:44 |
| chem|st | ehrm... | 21:45 |
| Sail0r | how should a ambience change the behaviour ? | 21:45 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 21:45 |
| flanag | my screen turned off during the update | 21:45 |
| Sail0r | but we need something to break the issue down don't we? | 21:45 |
| flanag | I think someone said that I could just wake it up | 21:45 |
| Sail0r | tip short on the power button or plugin a usb cable which is plugged to a charger | 21:45 |
| chem|st | changing an ambience is an action having a repos active is having a list of files downloaded and not system relevant stuff altered | 21:45 |
| Quu | flanag: update guide tells you that | 21:45 |
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| chem|st | flanag: pwrbtn | 21:46 |
| flanag | Quu: yeah, I "panicked" for no reason, it already started booting | 21:46 |
| flanag | and asks for PIN now | 21:46 |
| flanag | everything ok | 21:46 |
| chem|st | flanag: the update is still in progress | 21:46 |
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| Aard | chem|st: having a repo active may change the dependency calculations for an update, depending on what's in the repo. | 21:46 |
| stephg | Aard so I have a boot loop of some sort | 21:46 |
| flanag | damn, the scrolling is so smooth now | 21:47 |
| flanag | nice work | 21:47 |
| stephg | just wondering if it's worth diagnosing at 2.5 or just charging and upgrading | 21:47 |
| Aard | stephg: and you're still on 1.0.2.5? | 21:47 |
| stephg | yeah | 21:47 |
| chem|st | Aard: if dependencies of the upgrade are bad yes | 21:47 |
| stephg | at boot phone was at 20-25% (even when off) | 21:47 |
| Aard | stephg: it does boot through to ui, though? | 21:47 |
| stephg | is quick to think it's dropping to like 4% and then turning itself off | 21:47 |
| AlmAck | stephg: update the apps first, then sailfish | 21:47 |
| stephg | yeah | 21:47 |
| stephg | Aard: yeah | 21:48 |
| chem|st | AlmAck: that broke the last upgrade | 21:48 |
| Sail0r | chem|st: not the dependencies of the upgrade must be bad but also maybe a dependency in one of the repos of openrepo | 21:48 |
| stephg | Aard: 21% > boot 21% in UI > very quickly 4% in UI and I shut it down (controlled) | 21:49 |
| Morpog_PC | but I guess only repos with system level stuff should be causing such headaches | 21:49 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: if the upgrade was good it would tell you about the broken dependency nad not install | 21:49 |
| Sail0r | had that on my n900 where a dependency removed my kernel on upgrade | 21:49 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 21:49 |
| Aard | stephg: try removing battery for a lenthy time, that should reset some counters. proper fix is being worked on | 21:49 |
| AlmAck | chem|st: hm... I'm booting the phone right now.... seems ok | 21:49 |
| Sail0r | but the dependency must not be broken to do something bad | 21:49 |
| stephg | Aard trickling on my lappy (whilst phone "off") and now at 41% | 21:49 |
| Aard | chem|st: if there are provides of things we provide as well in the additional repo there's not much we can do about it. | 21:49 |
| Sail0r | the dependency can be looking quite good for rpm | 21:50 |
| stephg | Aard: ok | 21:50 |
| chem|st | AlmAck: the store-broke-thingy from last upgrade was in my mind... | 21:50 |
| Sail0r | and something essential is removed or altered | 21:50 |
| stephg | don't want to upgrade if this is a useful datapoint right now | 21:50 |
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| stephg | for all I know it's a runaway process etc. | 21:50 |
| flanag | I was installing the 3d dice app and then also the internet radio app.. the store crashed and won't start anymore | 21:50 |
| flanag | hmm | 21:50 |
| * stephg will happily wait to upgrade if it's useful | 21:50 | |
| chem|st | Aard: system relevant stuff from Jolla should always have absolute dependancies unless developer mode is active | 21:51 |
| Aard | 'absolute dependencies'? | 21:51 |
| chem|st | beware of $user | 21:51 |
| chem|st | Aard: single version preferably a *-jolla09 one | 21:52 |
| chem|st | I think the packaging team is aware of such stuff | 21:52 |
| Sail0r | and what do you do if another package provides -jolla09 because some in his repo wanted to get it to work? | 21:53 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 21:53 |
| chem|st | or not? | 21:53 |
| Aard | chem|st: we'll soon just disable any 3rd party repositories before doing system upgrades, and re-enable them again afterwards | 21:53 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: having teh exact same version from different sources is pretty bad... | 21:54 |
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| chem|st | Aard: that is one way :) | 21:54 |
| Sail0r | but not impossible ;) | 21:54 |
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| Turski | upgrade went quite smooth with 13 active 3rd party repos | 21:54 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: but that would mean someone wants to intentionally hijack something | 21:55 |
| chem|st | Turski: yes, that is why I was asking why anyone would think that it is openrepos or some... | 21:55 |
| Turski | it just first upgraded only python3-base and then at the second try the rest of the system... | 21:55 |
| Sail0r | I think there is always a possibility to get the system fubar ^^ | 21:56 |
| Aard | chem|st: we had problems with openrepos before. plus we haven't seen this issue in quite extensive upgrade testing before releasing. which does not mean it's not an issue on our side, but given the problem we had with openrepos before we're considering it as an option | 21:56 |
| Sail0r | and the possibility rises when enabling "untrusted" repos | 21:56 |
| Turski | chem|st: have you ever used some linux distribution with 3rd party repos? | 21:56 |
| chem|st | Turski: yeah I managed to brick quiet a few machines but that is when activating system repos from different sides all over it... | 21:57 |
| Turski | upgrade path just can't be tested if there's some random crap installed and it can get some nasty dependency loops and issues and so on | 21:58 |
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| chem|st | well I am carefull with repos and stuff I install but $user isn't that is why I asked for sane dependancies | 21:58 |
| chem|st | but the answer "disable 3rdparty" I like even more | 21:59 |
| grzywacz | mornfall, one of banks in Poland sends verification SMS messages starting with a "!" to automatically uninstall the Zeus malware from smartphones. ;-) | 21:59 |
| Aard | Sailor2333: found it, it was tor removing essential parts of the system when being installed | 21:59 |
| mornfall | grzywacz: olol | 21:59 |
| chem|st | lol | 22:00 |
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| Sail0r | wasn't there another issue related to TOR a month ago? | 22:00 |
| chem|st | Aard: what callHome.py and NSAupload.bin? | 22:01 |
| chem|st | ;) | 22:01 |
| chem|st | Aard: good job! | 22:01 |
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| Sail0r | ToR was removed from openrepos because of problems | 22:03 |
| Sail0r | maybe people should read such messages | 22:03 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 22:03 |
| Waitee | :D | 22:03 |
| Sail0r | There are some comments complaining that it removes phone, contactss and aliendalvik. | 22:04 |
| Sail0r | sounds like essential phone functions ^^ | 22:04 |
| Quu | nah, you dont need those | 22:05 |
| Sail0r | Last edited by nieldk; 01-12-14 at 07:12 AM. | 22:05 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 22:05 |
| Quu | yeah, thats the dude who keeps uploading shitton of stuff daily | 22:05 |
| AJAX555 | yay TOH enabled once again | 22:05 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: where is the setting to deactivate the gesture-rotation? | 22:06 |
| Sail0r | is there any? ^^ | 22:06 |
| chem|st | please don't tell that landsape gestures have no settings | 22:07 |
| Sail0r | yep he is also uplink stuff which is on mer-tools @ Quu | 22:07 |
| Sailor2333 | i have encountered a new issue - when opening a tweet, thete is an overlaying haze and nothing is responding. the only way to get out, is to lick and unlock with piwer button | 22:07 |
| Sail0r | *uploading | 22:07 |
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| Sailor2333 | *lock | 22:07 |
| Sail0r | you lick your power button? | 22:07 |
| Sail0r | xD | 22:07 |
| Sailor2333 | not lick :/ | 22:07 |
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| Sailor2333 | sorry, i'm on communi and can't see what typing | 22:08 |
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| Sail0r | hehe | 22:08 |
| stephg | Aard: now that I'm home, nothing (obviously) | 22:09 |
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| Sailor2333 | for some reason i mistype i vs o a lot | 22:11 |
| Sailor2333 | with jolla | 22:11 |
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| stephg | Sailor2333: get smaller fingers | 22:12 |
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| Sailor2333 | didn't happen with n9! | 22:13 |
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| Skorpy | n9's keyboard was a bit better imo | 22:14 |
| Sail0r | i like the jolla keyboard | 22:14 |
| Sail0r | it's much better than android keyboards | 22:14 |
| Turski | i mistype with jolla keyboard a lot too, but i did that with n9 too | 22:17 |
| Turski | but in landscape it is ok | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | so, 1.0.3.*, how has that been going for people? | 22:18 |
| Quu | too used to desire z keyboard, cant type anything with onscreenKB :p | 22:18 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: jolla phone reset, re upgraded to last version, accounts restored, apps reinstalled, but i won't put android or openrepos apps again | 22:18 |
| hzb | n900 keyboard was quite nice | 22:18 |
| TheBootroo | that way it CAN'T fail | 22:18 |
| Sailor2333 | unfortunately no landscape for IM or irc | 22:18 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: we're not sure yet if it was openrepos, it's just one of our guesses at the moment | 22:19 |
| Sail0r | the irc app devs are on it ;) | 22:19 |
| Sail0r | join #communi to ask them for landscape | 22:19 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 22:19 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: well, push actions being different in landscape in apps and outside of apps is a tad confusing, I find.. | 22:19 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: ruined my device, hopefully Aard helped me to reset to factory | 22:19 |
| Morpog_Mobile | FireFly: ? Different? | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: :nod: not really a ui person | 22:20 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: everything went fine :) | 22:20 |
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| FireFly | And I kinda liked having close-app to the left in landscape (i.e. having the push-actions tied to the same physical location on the phone instead of depending on orientation) | 22:20 |
| FireFly | might be just because I've gotten used to it though, hard to say.. | 22:20 |
| FireFly | Morpog_Mobile: yes, the homescreen isn't landscape-ified yet, so push actions in the homescreen are the same as they used to be | 22:21 |
| Sail0r | i always tried to swipe down and now it's working ^^ | 22:21 |
| Sail0r | i hope sms and email are getting landscape soon :) | 22:21 |
| FireFly | Morpog_Mobile: whereas in an app they now change depending on the orientation so that the push-down action is actually always a down-push | 22:22 |
| Morpog_Mobile | FireFly: just like on n9 | 22:22 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: oh, and it's great that we can now add calendar entries to different calendars, but I still don't get how to create new calendars :P | 22:23 |
| FireFly | Morpog_Mobile: haven't used one for more than like five minutes | 22:23 |
| Morpog_Mobile | And i used my n9 till i got my jolla, so it's natural for me | 22:24 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: rotation of gestures is painful | 22:24 |
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| clau | chem|st, regarding the screen timeout while in app: there's a second timer there, after 30 seconds of display being off you will get into the lock screen on next unlock | 22:24 |
| Morpog_Mobile | chem|st: no, I love it | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | okay, i'll readily admit i'm not a ui coder, so as long as device boot up and is in right rotation.. | 22:24 |
| FireFly | Haha | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:25 |
| chem|st | Morpog_Mobile: you love to have 3 different orientations for gestures in for example gallery? | 22:25 |
| clau | Stskeeps, good job with this update. you kept your promise of doing one update per (calendar) month :) | 22:25 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: you might be disappointed by the fact that I haven't had to give the recovery stuff a try yet :p | 22:25 |
| FireFly | (assuming you had a hand in that) | 22:25 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: everything fine apart of some inconsistencies introduced... | 22:26 |
| FireFly | I think you did? | 22:26 |
| Sail0r | why are there different orientations? @ chem|st it's always top down and left to rigth | 22:26 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: no its not | 22:26 |
| Morpog_Mobile | chem|st: why? I always have the logical orientation based on content rotation | 22:26 |
| Morpog_Mobile | orientation | 22:26 |
| chem|st | turn your device with buttons down in gallery and go to ambience then to pictures | 22:27 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_Mobile: no you don't | 22:27 |
| FireFly | Sail0r: if you are on 1.0.3.8, try closing the web browser in landscape mode, then try turning the device off with a down-push still in landscape mode | 22:27 |
| clau | Stskeeps, no changes at all regarding the deep sleep and/or align timers? | 22:27 |
| chem|st | Morpog_Mobile: pictures turn only 90degrees ambiences turn 360degrees | 22:27 |
| Sail0r | with buttons down my gallery is upside down | 22:27 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | clau: hmm a little bit, there's some work with nemo-keepalive | 22:28 |
| FireFly | Morpog_Mobile: well, I found the application closing really comfortable in landscape mode pre-update3 | 22:28 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Never tried that, always use it like on n9, so only 2 orientations | 22:28 |
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| FireFly | I could do all the work with the left, right and bottom edges | 22:28 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: but your ambiences were ok... so where is the bunny? | 22:28 |
| clau | Stskeeps, on a short test the email app still misses the syncs. | 22:29 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Buttons right and up | 22:29 |
| FireFly | (closing on left edge, app-switching on bottom edge, notifications on right edge) | 22:29 |
| Sail0r | my ambiences are ok | 22:29 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: Stskeeps with new update, does Jolla phone support auto mount for ext4 formatted sdcard ? | 22:29 |
| clau | FYI, there's another change that wasn't mentioned: pressing the volume key while locked will bring display on for a short while, such that you see the volume bar. | 22:30 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: nothing changed there | 22:30 |
| Sail0r | what should happen with the ambiences? | 22:30 |
| TheBootroo | Aard: so only fat32 atm ? | 22:30 |
| Aard | TheBootroo: though pull requests welcome :p | 22:30 |
| chem|st | with buttons down you should have right orientation | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | also, i hope you guys noticed that bootloader is unlockable again.. | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | else i'm going to be a bit upset | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:30 |
| FireFly | :D | 22:30 |
| FireFly | I saw the release notes said that | 22:30 |
| clau | Stskeeps, yep, that's great news :) | 22:31 |
| Sail0r | can you make a screenshot from what you mean chem|st | 22:31 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I will be upset if the nitdroid team ports android before you guys ahve a working n9 built ready | 22:31 |
| chem|st | working in terms of not that current stage | 22:31 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Stskeeps, I noticed, but haven't seen any whiner from last update praising it | 22:32 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: screenshot of a rotation?! you are kidding | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i don't think we've ever promised product grade n9; community is free to do it though | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_Mobile: yeah, hmm | 22:32 |
| Sail0r | I don't really get what you mean | 22:32 |
| clau | chem|st, I will not install Sailfish on N9. It is a piece of history, I want to have it as it is. | 22:32 |
| Sail0r | my looks fine in every orientation | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: in this particular instance, people were doing n9 builds .. before the sailfish | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | er, jolla1 | 22:33 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: my pictures gallery does not rotate more than 90degrees | 22:33 |
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| TSCHAKMac | do I have to install rpm's (e.g. FourSail) from terminal? | 22:34 |
| * stephg is charging before the upgrade :) | 22:34 | |
| Morpog_Mobile | I gues the 360 degree rotation is a bug | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | 360..? | 22:34 |
| stephg | Morpog_Mobile 360 degs 'worked' in the camera app but not the gallery in 1.0.2.5 | 22:35 |
| Sail0r | in ambiences you can rotate 360 degs | 22:35 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 22:35 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: ambiences in gallery | 22:35 |
| Sail0r | in gallery only 90 deg | 22:35 |
| Sail0r | now i understand what you mean chem|st | 22:35 |
| Sail0r | and the gallery itself does not rotate for me in anyway | 22:35 |
| Sail0r | just a single picture | 22:35 |
| chem|st | I want to lock orientation of the gestures please | 22:35 |
| Sail0r | webcat also rotates 360 degress | 22:36 |
| Sail0r | build in browser also | 22:36 |
| chem|st | it was so annoying with n9 when it did not rotate the ui yet or it did rotate it when putting the device on the table... | 22:36 |
| Tegu | TSCHAKMac: get the file browser from jolla store | 22:36 |
| Tegu | it is able to install rpm's | 22:37 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: is there a setting for gesture rotation hidden somewhere? | 22:37 |
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| chem|st | I dont mind to disable rotation at all if need eb | 22:38 |
| chem|st | be | 22:38 |
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| clau | I wonder, what can we expect from the new tohd? | 22:39 |
| chem|st | clau: not eating the battery, cahngng ambience only if toh is changed not when recognized again | 22:39 |
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| slate | My battery has gone down like mad since update | 22:39 |
| slate | 30% left. Was 100% when update was released. | 22:40 |
| clau | well, it cannot not eat battery. | 22:40 |
| chem|st | 9%... ~1.5h | 22:40 |
| clau | yeah, I noticed a nice drop too, but I wasn't at 100% to start with. something around 50% maybe, and now I'm at 39% | 22:40 |
| clau | I guess I'll see tomorrow. | 22:41 |
| slate | same | 22:41 |
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| slate | I'll check the current power consumption with and without tohd | 22:42 |
| clau | if tohd consumption can't be brough to a decent level, I wouldn't mind having an option to disable it in settings. | 22:42 |
| clau | and maybe an option to manually scan on nfc for new OH | 22:43 |
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| slate | dont know, just stopped and masked it anyways. I dont need it. | 22:46 |
| clau | I wish people would use the search function before submitting new reports on tjc. | 22:46 |
| clau | it becomes harder and harder to navigate through all the reports. | 22:47 |
| slate | True. Its already a bit messy | 22:47 |
| slate | imagine after 6 months :) | 22:47 |
| clau | maybe the duplicates should be deleted. | 22:47 |
| clau | or archived, or whatever. | 22:47 |
| slate | Too much work, too little people? | 22:48 |
| clau | :( | 22:48 |
| slate | Maybe put community-active people as admins also? Or maybe there are already? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | there's a thread for moderators | 22:49 |
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| clau | https://together.jolla.com/question/597/fix-power-consumption-other-half/ <--- closed | 23:05 |
| clau | (fingers-crossed) ;) | 23:05 |
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| keithzg | I feel like the duplicates problem would be mitigated if it was more along the lines of an actual bugtracker, ie. there was specific categorization and statuses rather than just tags and closed or open. | 23:16 |
| Sail0r | i would also like to have a real bugtracker :-/ | 23:17 |
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| petantik | I notice there was no mention of any wifi updates, shall i take this to mean, that wpa enterprise auth is still unavailable from the ui? | 23:23 |
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| chem|st | petantik: my selfmade settings don't show anymore | 23:33 |
| chem|st | checked the files are still there, can try on monday if it still works | 23:33 |
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| Azog | maybe i am too stupid or blind, but when i add a xmpp account, which program can use it? i can't find a jabber program | 23:44 |
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| Kabouik_j | Hi there, thanks for the update sailors | 23:45 |
| Kabouik_j | Can anyone point me to the full changelog please? I'm in the train' googling is complicated | 23:45 |
| Sailor4266 | Azog, there is a Messaging app | 23:46 |
| Kabouik_j | -' +, | 23:46 |
| Azog | Sailor4266: thanks, is it installed by default? | 23:47 |
| Sailor4266 | yes, it's on the lock screen's bottom by default | 23:48 |
| raa70 | Kabouik_j: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 23:48 |
| Sailor4266 | it integrates sms as well | 23:48 |
| Azog | ah, it is combined, thanks | 23:48 |
| Kabouik_j | Thanks raa70 | 23:49 |
| Kabouik_j | Crap, can't find how to copy a link from Communi :< | 23:49 |
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| clau | Azog, and you can control your presence settings by going to the nofitication screen, and check the pulley menu | 23:51 |
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