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| nander | Is it just me or does 1.3.8 have really big borks? | 00:11 |
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| nander | Either that or the build quality is extremely low | 00:11 |
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| nander | It's starting to do random things wrong | 00:12 |
| nander | It sometimes doesn't register swipes | 00:12 |
| nander | It sometimes refuses to turn on | 00:12 |
| nander | It asks for my pin code lots of times | 00:12 |
| nander | randomly | 00:12 |
| nander | Also, it shuts itself down | 00:13 |
| nander | Lots of times | 00:13 |
| nander | For no reason | 00:13 |
| nander | It pretty much stopped being useful as a phone | 00:13 |
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| starkers | eek! | 00:14 |
| nander | And that's besides the general oversensitiveness of the system which causes you to do random things if you just grab it from your pocket | 00:15 |
| nander | I think I accidentally called about 10 people in 2 months | 00:15 |
| nander | All contacts, but still | 00:15 |
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| phaeron | nander: you can turn off quick call in phone app settings ? | 00:35 |
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| nander | is the update out? | 00:35 |
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| nander | 1.0.0.5 is up to date according to my phone :S | 00:41 |
| nander | I just reset it because it was glitching badly | 00:41 |
| nander | Now the webbrowser is unusable because of glitches | 00:41 |
| nander | I really don't get it | 00:41 |
| nander | Do I have a hardware problem? | 00:41 |
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| keithzg | *shrug* Unfortunately a case of "I dunno, it works fine for me". I just got my Jolla two weeks ago and immediately upgraded it all the way to 1.0.3.8, though. | 00:59 |
| nander | Mine started borking a week ago | 00:59 |
| nander | And it starts to get worse all the time | 00:59 |
| nander | Which is a pity | 00:59 |
| nander | Because I was really looking forward to teasing microsoft, but at this state I couldn't | 01:00 |
| nander | I was at cebit | 01:00 |
| nander | I was planning on getting some help with the usage of my windows 9 phone ;) | 01:00 |
| keithzg | heh | 01:00 |
| keithzg | Hrmmmm I don't have my Android device with me, and am about to leave work, so I was gonna tether my Jolla to my N9 instead. | 01:00 |
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| nander | But at it's state it would have been tragic, rather than funny | 01:01 |
| keithzg | But apparently Jolla/SailfishOS doesn't like ad-hoc mode networks? It doesn't even see my N9. | 01:01 |
| nander | Funny is casually dropping the word Ukrain in a conversation (in Dutch) while passing by a Russian Education booth | 01:01 |
| nander | (Ministry of Education) | 01:01 |
| nander | The looks on their faces, priceless | 01:02 |
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| lpotter | keithzg: connman, and therefor Jolla doesn't support ad-hoc | 01:17 |
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| CraigA | the 4g update should be on its way soon eh? | 01:21 |
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| Gorith | ah, at last, I got my jolla from service yesterday, and it has been updated to 1.0.3.8 | 05:16 |
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| Gorith | anyway, I thought there was a fix for battery life in that version, but it seems in practice that a) there is not b) there is some new bug to drain battery | 05:17 |
| Stskeeps | Gorith: 1.0.3.8 is latest public and shouldn't have the TOH bug at least | 05:19 |
| Gorith | after seven hours on night table: 100% -> 62%, with 1.0.2.5 and tohd service stopped: 100% -> ~93% | 05:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's news to me | 05:19 |
| Gorith | can't remember how it was before | 05:20 |
| Gorith | I had only friends running with latest | 05:20 |
| Stskeeps | what accounts do you have on? | 05:21 |
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| Gorith | facebook, google and mail | 05:21 |
| Gorith | I will test it further without anything | 05:22 |
| Gorith | just asking if there is some ideas what is the problem | 05:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a bit surprised to hear there's a power drain issue so accounts would be my first guess | 05:24 |
| Stskeeps | as the major source of them is definately gone | 05:25 |
| Gorith | yep, I have not used the phone in a more than a month at now my first feeling is that the drainage is the same as before with tohd service running | 05:27 |
| Gorith | but that is just a feeling | 05:27 |
| Gorith | I'll let you know if I get something out of it | 05:27 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks | 05:31 |
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| coderus | anyone experiencing dissapearing Google Play icon sometimes? | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: out of curiousity, how do you see sailfish for n9 vs sailfish on a real jolla device? | 06:22 |
| tbr | various android apps have been coming and going | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | probably just 'updating app..' | 06:23 |
| inffy_ | coderus: yep, reboot usually brings it back | 06:24 |
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| Quu | coderus: you need to restart the dalvik-service | 06:41 |
| Quu | or reboot | 06:41 |
| Quu | whatever you prefer | 06:41 |
| tigeli | restarting apkd is enough | 06:41 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: talking only about Sailfish/Silica it all the same | 06:51 |
| coderus | okay thank you. i'll probably tweak desktop icon :) | 06:51 |
| coderus | and | 06:51 |
| coderus | android google chrome not working for everyone or just me? | 06:52 |
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| ln-_ | curious, i have the launcher icons on top of the lock screen. | 06:57 |
| inffy_ | coderus: i have never got Chrome to work on Jolla | 06:58 |
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| coderus | inffy_: okay, thanks :) | 07:04 |
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| rangoy | is early march here soon? | 07:15 |
| inffy_ | yep | 07:16 |
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| Nicd- | tbr: using mosh now :) | 07:18 |
| Nicd- | seems to work | 07:18 |
| ggabriel | rangoy: soon... soon... | 07:18 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: nice, you might want to push it into paused state though when not using it, else it will eat through your battery | 07:21 |
| stephg | morning everyone | 07:22 |
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| stephg | btw the update to the youtube app is great | 07:22 |
| tbr | Nicd-: someone here had added a button to fingerterm through config | 07:23 |
| Nicd- | ok | 07:23 |
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| narchie | ohijärvi | 07:36 |
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| rangoy | narchie: thats the codename of 1.0.4.x | 07:42 |
| rangoy | ? | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | ohaijarvi? | 07:42 |
| stephg | ha | 07:43 |
| ggabriel | ...and it begins | 07:43 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | update is here! | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | what | 07:59 |
| * Morpog_Jolla_ giggles and hides | 08:00 | |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_Jolla_: :( | 08:00 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | :D | 08:03 |
| * Stskeeps adjusts Morpog_Jolla_'s account to never get the update | 08:03 | |
| Plnt | ;]]] | 08:03 |
| Gorith | Stskeeps: now the battery consumption seems to be fine: 2 hours and 93% -> 91% | 08:04 |
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| Gorith | what I did: rebooted the phone | 08:04 |
| Gorith | before that it was the first start after the service, so I did lots of things, so maybe there was something still running which was the reason to that | 08:06 |
| Gorith | Maybe I'll test that friends thing right now | 08:06 |
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| ballock | tbr: how did you say you pause mosh again? through the altered fingerterm? where's that? | 08:17 |
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| sharpneli | Just realized that Jolla backups don't store your calendar | 08:25 |
| sharpneli | So I lost ebrything! :( | 08:25 |
| ggabriel | :( | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 08:26 |
| sjtoik | bummer | 08:27 |
| salami` | has anybody tried citrix receiver on jolla? | 08:28 |
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| ballock | salami`: yuck | 08:28 |
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| tbr | salami`: yes I did, yes it works, also just as ballock said, yuck. | 08:30 |
| ggabriel | lol, my thoughts exactly | 08:30 |
| tbr | ballock: I'll check the logs later. | 08:31 |
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| salami` | ballock: you hatin' on citrix? | 08:33 |
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| ballock | salami`: let's say... their Linux engineering skills are below acceptable level | 08:36 |
| salami` | heh, thats true | 08:37 |
| ballock | At times I come to believe these were actually HP engineers that did their Linux port. | 08:37 |
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| tbr | ballock: their initial answer to "your package doesn't work in a SELinux environment" was "have you tried disabling SELinux"... m( | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | then they'll tell you that selinux isn't supported | 08:58 |
| ar | tbr: oh, just like one of the valve guys recently | 08:58 |
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| tabasko | http://stopdisablingselinux.com/ | 09:00 |
| tbr | ggabriel: $big_corporation with $expensive_support_contract will then say "It will be supported, mkaaaay." | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | in a future vresion, yeah | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i don't like selinux | 09:00 |
| tbr | ggabriel: that would be acceptable | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | but i manage my own servers and i'm pretty much the sole user :P | 09:01 |
| tbr | ggabriel: still it shouldn't be us fixing their package, we already did that with their debian packaging... | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | hahaha | 09:01 |
| tbr | version 13 is now significantly less broken | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | just replace citrix with out in the open options | 09:01 |
| tbr | that's a corporate decision happening way above my pay-grade :) | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | ah well | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | surprised they stick with v13 | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | that's bad luck | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | maybe they aren't based in the usa | 09:02 |
| * tbr happily uses libvirt and SPICE for his stuff | 09:03 | |
| tbr | they are based in Florida | 09:03 |
| pp | woot, I think I can now do "is it out yet" without touching then phone :-) | 09:04 |
| * pp whistles innocently | 09:04 | |
| Acce | in the video the guy says SELinux came from the NSA, it is obvious malware | 09:04 |
| ggabriel | lol | 09:04 |
| ggabriel | pp: you just look at the led | 09:04 |
| tbr | their "OMG, so that's what GPL means" was quite funny | 09:05 |
| tbr | I think since then no open source came out of the NSA | 09:05 |
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| ggabriel | not the first or last time that an organisation loses track of software licenses | 09:05 |
| ggabriel | lawyers sit in a different building than developers | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | which engine is webcat using? | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | the chromium one | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | webkit | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | ah thx | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | :) | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | nw | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | maybe chrome plugins it's possible to get the chrome plugins to work? | 09:07 |
| Sail0r | narf sry | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | chrome doesn't use webkit anymore, does it? google thinks they can do better | 09:07 |
| sharpneli | webkitty | 09:07 |
| tbr | meow | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | like their version of multitasking and so many other things | 09:08 |
| pp | ggabriel: no, I use curl and see what the json says :-) | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | pp: oh, you may just look at the led ;-) | 09:09 |
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| TheBootroo_work | Chromium engine is Blink, a cleanedup fork of WebKit | 09:16 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: really? i thought that was chrome | 09:17 |
| Sail0r | webkit is used in Safari isn't it? | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | not chormium | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: aye | 09:17 |
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| teve | ggabriel: Chromium33.0.1750.117 (Developer Build 252094) Blink537.36 (@167220) | 09:19 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: Chromium is the base of chrome | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | yeah, true | 09:19 |
| TheBootroo_work | so if chrome has it, chromium has it from longer time | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: well, not really, chrome has some googly stuff | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | that chromium doesn't | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo_work | and Qt5 will soon have blink too, using Chromium SDK and QtWebEngine | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | didn't know that the engine made it downlstream | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | yuk | 09:20 |
| * ggabriel shivers | 09:20 | |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: a full webengine is more that 'a google thing' | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo_work | they wouldn't keep 2 engines in master | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | well, the fork was a google decision | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo_work | too hard to maintain | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | ofc | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo_work | Webkit was becoming a nightmare for tests and compilation | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo_work | i know it's the hardest/longest part when i build Qt a lot of times | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo_work | now i don't even build it | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo_work | i use QtWebEngine | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo_work | really cool | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo_work | hope we'll see a browser using it on Joll | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo_work | +a | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | i'm just a user in this instance, and ff has always been a better experience, so prefer their engine | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | hence the shivers and yuks | 09:22 |
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| Gorith | so, friends is not the reason for the battery draining, so I think it was some process that was running and consuming battery, but which do not start automatically | 10:20 |
| Gorith | so maybe I can say the problem is fixed | 10:20 |
| Gorith | one thing was that the other half is not recognized at first boot | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Gorith: nope, Friends do nothing if the user don't tell it to do | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no background daemon | 10:21 |
| Gorith | it asked to install first one theme only when booted second time | 10:21 |
| Gorith | do not know if that can have something to do with it | 10:21 |
| Gorith | Yep, I haven't used the app before, so was not sure and didn't have time to check it out | 10:22 |
| Gorith | but good to know | 10:22 |
| Gorith | anyway, battery draining is now at normal in my opinion | 10:23 |
| Gorith | which is far better than current cyanogenmod and s3 | 10:23 |
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| cvp | hi :) | 10:40 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: so what you would crush? | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: our pre-qualcomm device protos. | 10:59 |
| sharpneli | I'd so want to know what they were but alas, no can do. :( | 11:00 |
| kimmoli | we can discard our prototypes by doing EN45545 tests.. | 11:00 |
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| kimmoli | hmm i have crash reports for as-daemon and msyncd (as-daemon afaik might be as i tried with restart first which failed, not stop-start) | 11:04 |
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| kimmoli | improvement to jolla-settings-crash-reporter ::: add timestamps to upload log list | 11:05 |
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| pp | Whee, 4G subscription! Even at 3G it feels faster! | 11:09 |
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| simbrown | Stskeeps: those ST-E parts looked good, such a shame. | 11:11 |
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| mornfall | pp: placebo effect | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | simbrown: i'm fairly happy with what we have now | 11:15 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: what was pre-qualcomm? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | we changed in april-may 2013 because our supplier stopped making their chips | 11:16 |
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| mornfall | was it OMAP? | 11:16 |
| tbr | U8500 I'd guess :> | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | omap died well before that didn't they | 11:16 |
| tbr | yeah | 11:16 |
| mornfall | tbr: novathor is a terrible slavic pun :D | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, nov 2012 | 11:17 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: they still fielded new chips in 2013 didn't they? 5430? | 11:18 |
| mornfall | but yeah | 11:18 |
| simbrown | omap still exists, but for cars not mobile. I can't remember the new name | 11:20 |
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| mornfall | so, what about that update? :-P | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | soon, soon | 11:22 |
| * Stskeeps looks for the circus picture | 11:22 | |
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| sharpneli | I pray there will be updated pulseaudio :E | 11:23 |
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| sharpneli | Now I have to choose between landscape browser or sounds :D | 11:23 |
| sharpneli | I chose soudns. | 11:23 |
| pp | mornfall: nah, 8Mbps cap in old one :-) | 11:25 |
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| pp | [pp@the ~]$ sh isitoutyet | 11:30 |
| pp | 0 | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | how to turn adults into kids: tell them there's an update coming soon | 11:31 |
| mornfall | of course it isn't out yet :) it's not last-minute-Friday-afternoon yet :-) | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | jolla is concerned about the economy - they know that if they release the update now, nobody will work any more | 11:32 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: who says we are adults? | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: don't you have to be 18 to join freenode? :P | 11:32 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: suuure :) | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | pr1.4 just came out | 11:32 |
| mornfall | pr? : | 11:33 |
| mornfall | :) | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | it supports holograms | 11:33 |
| mornfall | what about teleport? | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | next update | 11:34 |
| cvp | tbr: i receive the post :) thank you | 11:34 |
| tbr | cvp: :) | 11:34 |
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| gabriel9|work | any tutorial on OBS, how to use it... | 13:27 |
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| roboro | gabriel9|work: there are a couple of things on the merproject wiki | 13:35 |
| roboro | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 13:35 |
| roboro | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_Community_OBS | 13:36 |
| roboro | the second link is more helpful | 13:36 |
| gabriel9|work | thanks | 13:36 |
| roboro | I struggled with it to begin with | 13:36 |
| roboro | eventually I copied someone else's build targets | 13:37 |
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| gabriel9|work | i just created acc | 13:38 |
| gabriel9|work | and package | 13:38 |
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| roboro | gabriel9|work: that part is easy... getting the package to build is another challenge :D:D:D | 13:39 |
| Frye | Has anyone here been successful with group chats via XMPP? | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | Frye: yes, but more context is key to your question :) | 13:41 |
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| Wnt | using pkcon on the device I know that the fingerterm installed on my device is fingerterm-1.1.8-1.7.2.armv7hl. Where can I download the package as a RPM file on my desktop machine? | 13:41 |
| Frye | Well now that I know it might be possible I need to look into it in more detail | 13:41 |
| Frye | I got the client to connect to our companys server though | 13:41 |
| Wnt | Is it possible to download packages like this from Jolla's servers | 13:41 |
| Frye | So next is to figure out how to join the group chats there | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | Frye: are you talking within jolla? | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | or sailfish I should say | 13:42 |
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| Frye | sailfish yeah. | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | Frye: then I didn't try :) | 13:42 |
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| ggabriel | just bear in mind that you don't have group chats in xmpp, you have chat rooms | 13:42 |
| Wnt | If I understood correctly the N9 sailfish bootstrap scripts download package files from Jollas servers | 13:42 |
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| ggabriel | so it's all about being able to join those | 13:42 |
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| ggabriel | Wnt: fingerterm is open source, surely you can build your own rpm? | 13:43 |
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| Frye | ggabriel, ok chatrooms, I am new to this so I may have all the wrong terms | 13:43 |
| Frye | But XMPP should be correct at least | 13:44 |
| Frye | :D | 13:44 |
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| ggabriel | ok, so i tell you how i do it in pidgin | 13:44 |
| Frye | I can see the contacts online via XMPP on Jolla. | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | you have to go and either set up your chat room or join one | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | and ovila | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | not sure sailfish can do that just yet | 13:44 |
| Frye | yeah, now I'm wondering how that can be set up. | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | or maybe the chatroom is a contact | 13:44 |
| Frye | Could be | 13:44 |
| Wnt | ggabriel: sure, but I would like to know how it's possible to download rpm files from Jolla's servers in general | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | Wnt: fair enough | 13:45 |
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| ggabriel | Frye: ah, you need a conference server | 13:46 |
| Wnt | ggabriel: I can download the rpms using the device using "mkdir dl ; pkcon --verbose download dl fingerterm", but even that doesn't give me the url it's downloading from | 13:46 |
| Frye | ggabriel, we have one | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | Frye: my point being that i don't know if htat's configurable in sailfish | 13:47 |
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| Frye | ggabriel, most likely not yet | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | maybe through the command line tho | 13:47 |
| Frye | at least via gui | 13:47 |
| Wnt | I guess it uses some library to handle the downloading... Myabe there is some environment variable I could set to get the library to give out some debug information? | 13:47 |
| Frye | exactly | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | Wnt: bear in mind that it requires auth, so it won't be a url that's open | 13:48 |
| pp | Wnt: https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.0.3.8/jolla/armv7hl/mw/armv7hl/fingerterm-1.1.8-1.7.2.armv7hl.rpm | 13:49 |
| pp | (first part == redirect from releases.jolla.com) | 13:49 |
| Wnt | pp: great thanks! | 13:50 |
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| pp | (some packages are behind repos needing authentication :-) ) | 13:50 |
| Wnt | pp: is that the samething the N9 kickstart scripts use? | 13:50 |
| Wnt | nope I think they are using releases.jolla.com | 13:51 |
| Wnt | https://github.com/martinbrook/jolla-n950-kickstart/blob/master/jolla-n950-kickstart-1.0.3.7.ks | 13:51 |
| pp | yep, it's the same site | 13:52 |
| pp | (but probably more reliable that way) | 13:52 |
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| Wnt | great, thanks. I was researching to be able to answer this question: https://together.jolla.com/question/32985/critical-problem-with-the-app-registry/ | 13:55 |
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| sharpneli | https://together.jolla.com/question/31646/no-sound-speaker-broken/ Someone else has the same problem | 13:57 |
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| ggabriel | sharpneli: csd tool is a good idea, did you try that? | 13:58 |
| sharpneli | Yeah I heard sounds from that. Also in most cases when I call someone that sound works | 13:59 |
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| sharpneli | But I cannot hear ringtones nor youtube nor alarm tone | 13:59 |
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| ggabriel | ok, so hw seems ok then | 14:00 |
| sharpneli | It works well now that I don't have the latest update | 14:00 |
| sharpneli | It was funny. One factory reset I performed also had broken sounds. But that was because I did not remove battery | 14:01 |
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| sharpneli | So factory reset + battery removal fixed it. In the new update battery removal only fixed it for like 2 seconds and then sounds muted again. | 14:02 |
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| chem|st | sharpneli: does it also happen on other versions or just latest? | 14:29 |
| chem|st | sharpneli: you are at 1.0.2.5 now, and everything fine? | 14:30 |
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| sharpneli | Yap everything is fine | 14:30 |
| sharpneli | It happens only on latest | 14:30 |
| kimmoli | do not run csd as root, it will break audio until reboot | 14:31 |
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| cvp | kimmoli: looks awsome your keyboard production :) | 14:31 |
| kimmoli | cvp: not mine | 14:32 |
| cvp | argh sorry | 14:32 |
| kimmoli | (dirkvl makes hw there, me only sw) | 14:32 |
| cvp | dirkvl | 14:32 |
| cvp | yeah :D | 14:32 |
| cvp | you do awsome things too :p | 14:33 |
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| cvp | have some one the Aloe theme what can upload for me ? :) | 14:34 |
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| kimmoli | (that is illegal) | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | yup | 14:34 |
| cvp | really ? | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | copyrighted art | 14:34 |
| cvp | lol ok | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | a hoard of honeybadgers will come to your house | 14:35 |
| gabriel9|work | i think it is not legal | 14:35 |
| gabriel9|work | :/ | 14:35 |
| cvp | i think this too :D | 14:35 |
| gabriel9|work | wth is honeybadgers | 14:36 |
| cvp | snow white AND poppy red theme are aviable too :D | 14:36 |
| flanag | well, that doesn't make it legal | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | it's like everything | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | if you make a bunch of copies of ms windows, nothing happens | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | gabriel9|work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | if you make a bunch of copies of software of a startup, they go bankrupt | 14:37 |
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| ggabriel | so, always consider when you copy stuff | 14:37 |
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| gabriel9|work | eats cobra | 14:37 |
| flanag | thanks for that video :D | 14:37 |
| kimmoli | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/443307401350250496 | 14:37 |
| gabriel9|work | well | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | needless to say, you don't want to fuck around with honeybadgers | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:37 |
| gabriel9|work | my ak 47 will help | 14:38 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 14:38 |
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| ggabriel | it's illegal to have that too (even in the us) | 14:38 |
| kimmoli | hmm Mesimäyrä | 14:38 |
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| ggabriel | gabriel9|work: i'd settle for a shotgun | 14:39 |
| gabriel9|work | that also would help | 14:39 |
| gabriel9|work | Medojedni jazavac on Serbian XD | 14:40 |
| gabriel9|work | it eats meat, not honey | 14:40 |
| kimmoli | we are going offtopic, but this it was not me .... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111231211629AAnsd9l | 14:41 |
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| ggabriel | humans can kill almost anything | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | so there you go | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | (we're animals too) | 14:41 |
| gabriel9|work | ofc | 14:42 |
| gabriel9|work | is it true that they remove ambiance from keyboard? | 14:45 |
| gabriel9|work | my friend who also have Jolla told me this | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | huh? | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | never noticed that the keyboard has ambience | 14:46 |
| gabriel9|work | that was my reactiona also | 14:46 |
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| ggabriel | maybe the colour, but that's, well, obvious | 14:46 |
| gabriel9|work | keyboard changes with ambiance | 14:46 |
| gabriel9|work | he said if you change ambiance, keyboard is not affected | 14:47 |
| flanag | yeah, they will be removing the changing colour of the letters on the keyboard | 14:47 |
| flanag | so that you can see it better with certain backgrounds | 14:47 |
| flanag | (if I remember correctly) | 14:47 |
| gabriel9|work | ah | 14:47 |
| gabriel9|work | he was right then :D | 14:47 |
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| FireFly | Aw, I like the current look :( | 14:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gabriel9|work: did you have a screenshot ? photo ? | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't think so | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is Jolla's signature, ambience | 14:57 |
| flanag | https://lh3.ggpht.com/-EQdzBDNEy44/Uw22SzU7qfI/AAAAAAAADN8/wYCRc0wS6Q0/s1600/keyboard.jpg | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | those are different languages | 14:58 |
| flanag | now that I'm looking at that, I am not sure if they even got rid of the color | 14:58 |
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| gabriel9|work | no, he saw it on youtube | 14:59 |
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| gabriel9|work | from MWC | 14:59 |
| flanag | well that is from MWC | 14:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gabriel9|work: pictures or it didn't happened ... | 14:59 |
| flanag | that jpg | 14:59 |
| gabriel9|work | that's why i asked here :D | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | mwc is next update anyway | 15:00 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | kinda bad | 15:03 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | i liked all the style | 15:03 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | which gets dumbed down now | 15:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey hey guys | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe it was a bug or something | 15:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | because I don't think that they will ditch this | 15:03 |
| flux | so given we cannot get true flashable images from Jolla, is there a simple way to extract the current image and put it back later? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | flux: there's a quite nice recovery menu.. | 15:04 |
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| flanag | I don't see how they are ruining/dumbing down things if they just made the font bigger, it still seems to have the colour | 15:04 |
| flux | ah, had already forgotten about that. it's in its own partition, right, not just a subvolume? | 15:04 |
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| flux | if so, it should be just a matter of running some dd with the sd card or usb network (if those work) | 15:05 |
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| kimmoli | based on youtube videos and info from someone was at mwc, the biggest difference of kbd is that it has bigger font now. ambiance color still there. | 15:07 |
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| Raim | flux: you can boot into recovery mode and make an image of the partitions from there | 15:07 |
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| edgars | yo | 15:08 |
| Raim | flux: and of course you need to be careful with that as you could brick it if you damage anything | 15:08 |
| edgars | where is update?? | 15:09 |
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| edgars | :) | 15:09 |
| kimmoli | will jolla sink if you brick it ? | 15:09 |
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| chem|st | headset working with calling and audio streaming - check Plantronics M165 | 15:10 |
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| flux | now that sailfishos will be "1.0", will there still be monthly upgrades?-) | 15:12 |
| edgars | flux: at the first we must get that 1.0 | 15:13 |
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| ggabriel | flux: jolla.com suggests that updates will keep coming frequently | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | we're working as hard as we can; got to keep up the good quality.. | 15:24 |
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| chem|st | ok, skip that working... the headset is doing fine so far but volume-control is gone after a phonecall, read there is a bug somewhere flying... | 15:36 |
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| mornfall | flux: well, 1.0 could also mean "only about as bad as android" :-P | 15:42 |
| flux | mornfall, as long it's not an excuse to say "now it's done" ;-) | 15:42 |
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| mornfall | flux: I'd imagine lots of people would suddenly feel like returning their devices if that was to happen | 15:43 |
| mornfall | 1.0 is still going to be far from feature-complete | 15:44 |
| mornfall | (in some ways, it's not even beta yet :) | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mornfall: 1.0 = Android 1.0 | 15:45 |
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| mornfall | I have no idea what Android 1.0 was like. :-) I can't really pass judgment on contemporary android either... | 15:45 |
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| ggabriel | it was rubbish then | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | not that it's spectacular nowadays | 15:46 |
| mornfall | but even compared to N900 the jolla is still fairly underfeatured :P | 15:46 |
| edgars | so | 15:46 |
| edgars | when we will see 1.0? | 15:46 |
| mornfall | or sailfishos compared to maemo, more like | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | edgars: soon | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: or meego for what it's worth | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | but give them time ;) | 15:47 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: yeah, it was flux coming up with the theory that 1.0 means final :P | 15:47 |
| edgars | ggabriel: 2 weeks ago it was a first week of march | 15:47 |
| edgars | last week it was a this week | 15:47 |
| TheBootroo_work | for my part all i really need is reliable CalDav and stable 3G/4G connection | 15:47 |
| edgars | this week it's a soon | 15:47 |
| edgars | :/ | 15:47 |
| mornfall | and this (business) week is over tomorrow, yes | 15:47 |
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| ggabriel | edgars: do you have the source for the "first week of march"? | 15:48 |
| mornfall | TheBootroo_work: probably not coming in "1.0" | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | all the rest i can live with or without it | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | i don't think it was never pormised that way | 15:48 |
| mornfall | actually, neither of them :\ | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | mornfall: that's what makes me afraid | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | my phone is pretty unusable at the moment | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | calendar is dumb | 15:48 |
| edgars | ggabriel: #jollamobile at freenode ;) | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | 3G bugs anytime even with full signal | 15:48 |
| PeperJohnny | Jolla apps have been updated the day before yesterday | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | edgars: well, probably not true then | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | only wifi works | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: we're 50% in agreement :P | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | actually, 100% | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: heeh | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | i just need paid applications in addition to what you need | 15:49 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: it was "beginning of march" according to web | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo_work | well personaly i don't care about new apps | 15:49 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: 13th is hardly "beginning" | 15:49 |
| cb400f | "And now here we are with the sailfish 1.0 which will be released in about a week after this video was published." - http://www.jollausers.com/2014/03/video-sailfish-os-1-0-demo-at-mwc14/ (and that was on saturday) | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: ok, beginning is up to 15th in march | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | they also said they were delayed afterwards | 15:49 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: well, if you say so :-) but so 16th is the end then? | 15:50 |
| mornfall | -but | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | cb400f: but who said that? jolla or the JU guy? | 15:50 |
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| ggabriel | mornfall: 16th is the beginning of the second half :P | 15:50 |
| cb400f | I just want landscape sms writing, then the jolla will be full-featured according to my needs :-) | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | lol, fully featured is so relative it's almost scary | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | in the steve jobs era fully featured was just owning an iphone | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo_work | ideally i would need chapters/subtitles support in video player for MKV | 15:51 |
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| TheBootroo_work | but i can really live without it | 15:51 |
| sharpneli | Perfect. I was able to reproduce the sound bug after updating. But then when I enabled the android logging for it the bug refused to reappear :D | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: that's a good point actually | 15:52 |
| flux | I wonder if we get full support for the hardware in 1.0.. that would at least mean 4g - and I hope Bluetooth LE as well | 15:52 |
| flux | but that's probably just wishful thinking. | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: is there a tjc for that? | 15:52 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: dunno | 15:52 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: actually, I think the wording was "is _now_ out of beta" :P | 15:53 |
| lizardo | flux: which Bluetooth chipset does it have? | 15:53 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: it was still February at the time | 15:53 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo_work: I do not even have 3.5G speed at home why should I need 4G otg? | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: yeah, but they did say next update | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | whenevre that may be [in march] | 15:53 |
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| ggabriel | and _then_ they did say that the update was delayed to this week | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | which hasn't finished yet | 15:53 |
| edgars | ggabriel: Stskeeps said that update will come this week :) | 15:54 |
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| ggabriel | i saw that on twitter actually | 15:54 |
| Nicd- | yay for friday updates! | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | happy if it doesn't make it tho | 15:54 |
| Plnt | it was on JollaHQ twitter | 15:54 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: yeah, I see a pattern there | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo_work | i really hope the "connection error" loop bug is fixed | 15:55 |
| chem|st | mornfall: it was said somewher between 10th and 17th... | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | that's new | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | well, not really ;) | 15:55 |
| TheBootroo_work | because it makes the device heat like if it was burning, and blocking the ui, forcing reboot | 15:55 |
| Plnt | TheBootroo_work: yeah, i hit that two times in the past two days | 15:55 |
| mornfall | slippery releases ... I'm wondering when people start it calling SoonfishOS ;-) | 15:55 |
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| mornfall | calling it* | 15:55 |
| Plnt | TheBootroo_work: what's strange is that i didn't have this problem before | 15:55 |
| TheBootroo_work | Plnt: i have it almost each single day | 15:55 |
| TheBootroo_work | despite having full signal | 15:56 |
| edgars | hell yeah | 15:56 |
| edgars | Soonfish! | 15:56 |
| Plnt | :)) | 15:56 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: in the steve jobs era there where phones much more featurerich than any iphone... | 15:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Plnt: TheBootroo_work: regressions | 15:56 |
| TheBootroo_work | i would say | 15:56 |
| TheBootroo_work | "soon-ish" | 15:56 |
| TheBootroo_work | which actually mean what it mean, | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: ssshh, don't say that | 15:56 |
| TheBootroo_work | soon, or almost soon, or not | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | (you'll wake him up from his grave) | 15:56 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: ALOUD? | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: don't say it 3 times | 15:57 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: what iphone sucks, even today? | 15:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | chem|st: we want him to stay where he is, you know | 15:57 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: I think the problem here is that people are waiting for vital fixes... if it was just features, slipping releases is no big deal | 15:57 |
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| TheBootroo_work | mornfall: +10000000 | 15:57 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: but when you have a device on your hands that you need to reboot multiple times a day due to a bug that's waiting for a feature update to come out... well, nasty | 15:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: yeah regressions | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: meh, some people want fixes, some people crave features, the more rational want both | 15:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ggabriel: +1 | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | +in a balanced fashion | 15:58 |
| chem|st | if there was no idiot steering nokia we'd not need jolla start from scratch... so lets hope for the best in +2 years from now | 15:58 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: well, you could consider "not crashing" a feature ;-) | 15:58 |
| TheBootroo_work | jolla could push fix updates weekly | 15:58 |
| TheBootroo_work | and wait monthes to add new features, when they are ready | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | inb4 stephen elop for jolla ceo position | 15:58 |
| TheBootroo_work | i wouldn't mind | 15:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: what if the fix was huge and horrible | 15:58 |
| chem|st | al I need it to is to be a phone, but not even that is working properly... | 15:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I think they didn't have enough testers to test fixes in a weekly release | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | hard to push releass weekly in my expeirence | 15:58 |
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| zutto | it is | 15:59 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin is for daily releases :D | 15:59 | |
| zutto | minor changes are easy to push weekly | 15:59 |
| chem|st | Sfiet_Konstantin: I am pretty sure we could summon a community testing squad with at least 20people experienced in alpha testing | 15:59 |
| zutto | but everything else shouldnt be done weekly | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | you need to integrate, which means overhead, which means mor resources | 15:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chem|st: this needs community / testers management | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | so, no, it isn't easy | 15:59 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, but I wouldn't mind release candidates every now and then... | 15:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so they need resources | 15:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | CoderCandy: trust me you will mind | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | an aurora channel for sailfish would be cool | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | but if you brick the device doing that ,you wouldn't be happy | 16:00 |
| CoderCandy | Sfiet_Konstantin: hmm? | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ggabriel: exactly my point | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even in RC, you have a nice risk of bricking device | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | true | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and without flasher you are literally fucked | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | thanks, qualcomm | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ggabriel: +1 | 16:01 |
| chem|st | Sfiet_Konstantin: they do testing themselves... where is the deal with having them NDA'ed and work for you for free? offer some limited other half and you get any geek just by saying limited | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: i bricked my phone updating to 0.3.8 | 16:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but at least recovery limits bricking after hacks | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | even though it was final | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | i don't fear alpha/beta/rc | 16:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: :/ | 16:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chem|st: the deal is: they are resources to manage | 16:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not that easy | 16:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and anyway, I don't know how they manage this now | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | i prefer a working beta than a bugged final and having to wait ages another update | 16:01 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah ^ | 16:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | in other word, I like what they did with the SDK though | 16:02 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | a month is ages? | 16:02 |
| mornfall | well, most bugfixes don't need to change the kernel/initrd | 16:02 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | lol | 16:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is quite stable for an alpha :) | 16:02 |
| chem|st | Sfiet_Konstantin: it is some like the same effort to manage 80 or 120 testers | 16:02 |
| mornfall | so you don't really need to worry about bricking the devices very often | 16:02 |
| TheBootroo_work | Morpog_Jolla_: when essential feature is bugged yeah it seems ages | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the 1.0.3.8 release is really bad :( | 16:03 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | no it's not | 16:03 |
| TheBootroo_work | landscape is cool | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Jolla_: the network connection bug is horrible | 16:03 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | meant bootroo | 16:03 |
| mornfall | Morpog_Jolla_: it's really unstable | 16:03 |
| TheBootroo_work | but connection stability is awful | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hope the new release fixes everything | 16:03 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | yeah | 16:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: or at least connection | 16:04 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: do you use 2g? | 16:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: i don't have 2G | 16:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | my operator is 3G/4G only | 16:04 |
| chem|st | Sfiet_Konstantin: it is just as stable as youd expect an alpha... and Jolla just does the same as Nokia did with the Nokia Suite... | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | ok, so i don't know why mine rarely crashes | 16:04 |
| CoderCandy | I hope the new fix makes the device stable enough for everyday use. | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chem|st: it is "beta" :D | 16:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | i can't use 4G because of lacking update, and i can't use 3G because of error loop | 16:04 |
| CoderCandy | Like IRC without crash every few minutes | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is but the previous release was more stable sadly | 16:04 |
| chem|st | Sfiet_Konstantin: calling something beta does not make it beta... | 16:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | well atm i only use my phone at home on wifi | 16:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | (cool for a "mobile" thing) | 16:05 |
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| mornfall | well, yeah, leaving the house is always an adventure with jolla :D | 16:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I do'nt use 3G, simple | 16:05 |
| mornfall | at least with 1.0.3.8... | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: it always tries to reconnect | 16:05 |
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| flanag | yeah, getting in a reboot loop in a crowded place.. | 16:05 |
| flanag | :D | 16:05 |
| chem|st | mornfall: go back to 2.5 | 16:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: turn the switch off | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | it automaticcally reactivates the 3G | 16:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sometimes it don't do this | 16:05 |
| mornfall | chem|st: need to reflash for that | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | one can't simply turn off 3G on jolla | 16:06 |
| chem|st | mornfall: someone said you don't | 16:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mornfall: no, reset | 16:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: hehe | 16:06 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I hope that soon you will | 16:06 |
| mornfall | yeah, I mean factory reset actually | 16:06 |
| TheBootroo_work | if i use plane mode, i also lose calls, sms, bluetooth and wifi | 16:06 |
| mornfall | it's still a bother | 16:06 |
| TheBootroo_work | ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY TURN 3G OFF | 16:07 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo_work: yes you do | 16:07 |
| TheBootroo_work | if you just toggle off the connection and expect apps to respect this, you gonna have a bad time | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: my theory was that because i only have 3g, i rarely had crashes but *shrug* | 16:07 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo_work: turn UMTS of and GSM on but do not expect it to be any more reliable | 16:08 |
| TheBootroo_work | the most weird is when 3G is working fine, and suddenly, i wild disconnection appears | 16:08 |
| TheBootroo_work | without moving or loosing signal | 16:08 |
| TheBootroo_work | just browsing some webpage and soon the network stops working | 16:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: free ? | 16:09 |
| TheBootroo_work | connection icon show " ! " and nasty banner loop starts | 16:09 |
| TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: yep | 16:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it seems to happen a lot with free | 16:09 |
| chem|st | I am testing both cases, and both seem to be just the same, aparently it seems 2G is more to total modem shutdown and 3G was more like connman getting hungup/zombied | 16:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because of roaming | 16:09 |
| TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: never happend before 3.8 | 16:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: I know | 16:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | terrible regression :( | 16:10 |
| flanag | :( | 16:10 |
| TheBootroo_work | neither with previous phone | 16:10 |
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| TheBootroo_work | well another bug : | 16:10 |
| mornfall | well, the actual problem is that there's no bugtracker where we could track the issue... all we can do is speculate on IRC (or together) ... | 16:10 |
| flanag | I hope everything 3.8 ruined is fixed with this new update | 16:10 |
| TheBootroo_work | ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY FORCE MOBILE APN, is goes back previous page + auto when doing manual search | 16:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | me too | 16:11 |
| chem|st | flanag: rotation? doubt that, they fixed more than the conneciton and email problems... | 16:11 |
| chem|st | but what they fixed will be withtin release-notes Soon(TM) | 16:11 |
| flanag | I meant all the regressions | 16:12 |
| flanag | like the rebooting | 16:12 |
| flanag | never happened with 2.5 | 16:12 |
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| flanag | I want to see those fixed | 16:12 |
| CoderCandy | flanag: reboots? I have those. | 16:12 |
| TheBootroo_work | CoderCandy: before it was cool ? | 16:13 |
| flanag | lol | 16:13 |
| CoderCandy | well, I'm on 2.5, so yeah. | 16:13 |
| flanag | well I didn't have any before.. it can also be a different problem | 16:13 |
| flanag | I don't know | 16:13 |
| mornfall | well, I don't see anything related to crashes, broken gestures or connection problems on the mar14 tag in together :| | 16:13 |
| CoderCandy | I downgraded since I didn't like the rebooting,m | 16:13 |
| CoderCandy | And yeah, they still happen... | 16:14 |
| flanag | but someone got a Care answer | 16:14 |
| flanag | that they should wait for the new update | 16:14 |
| flanag | to fix those shutdowns (if I remember correctly) | 16:14 |
| flanag | it can of course be just speculation from the Care people.. | 16:14 |
| mornfall | flanag: care always tells you to try the next update | 16:15 |
| flanag | yeah.. | 16:15 |
| mornfall | unrelated to whether it's fixed or even roadmapped | 16:15 |
| CoderCandy | I hope crash bug is roadmapped. | 16:16 |
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| Nicd- | oh dammit | 16:17 |
| Nicd- | my NFC is acting up now | 16:17 |
| Nicd- | 4th time today suggesting to install the TOH ambience | 16:18 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | test | 16:36 |
| Quu | TEST FAILED BEEP BOOP | 16:36 |
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| sharpneli | Yap. Unable to reproduce the sound bug anymore. | 17:06 |
| sharpneli | As soon as I enabled the logcat info -> everything works. I love bugs which are fixed by simply enabling debug info :D | 17:07 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sharpneli: heisenbugs :) | 17:08 |
| Frye | sharpneli, I had similar today. Started ssh in debug and access to gitolite worked. turned debug off and started as standard daemon and it did not =) | 17:11 |
| Frye | So yeah I love the all fixing -d flag too | 17:11 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Hello | 18:09 |
| flanag | hello | 18:09 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Can't wait for SailFish on my Nexus 4 :P | 18:10 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Is it ok if i ask about the status of the build? | 18:10 |
| v3ng3anc3 | where it's at? :P | 18:10 |
| Quu | nobody knows | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | v3ng3anc3: well, let me ask another way | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | what do you expect to have working before you take it into use? | 18:11 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | well, cell signal and wifi :P | 18:11 |
| tbr | somebody is very cheeky and can't hold their tongue in... | 18:13 |
| Acce | I prefer to try an lick my eye P: | 18:14 |
| Quu | :b | 18:15 |
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| v3ng3anc3_ | sorry but i got Dc'd | 18:16 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | can you repeat pls? | 18:16 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | |it would be nice to have wifi, and the GPU and CPU drivers to work | 18:17 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | and for now it's all i need :P | 18:17 |
| ottulonen | nothing of any substance since your last line | 18:17 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | ok ... :( | 18:17 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | the videos at MWC show a prety nice build | 18:17 |
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| v3ng3anc3_ | working better then i was expecting | 18:18 |
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| tbr | There will be early beta access soon™, but people will be expected to actively work on improving this as part of community effort | 18:18 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | Anyway i loved Meego on my N9, but the hardware realy pulled that phone down | 18:19 |
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| v3ng3anc3_ | The Processor and Gpu ... not the way the phone looked | 18:19 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | tbr, if there is something i can help with ... i will gladly try | 18:20 |
| tbr | v3ng3anc3_: how do you think you could help? | 18:20 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | but when is the beta expected to land? | 18:20 |
| tbr | soon™ | 18:20 |
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| v3ng3anc3_ | if not much i can beta test ... | 18:29 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | :P | 18:29 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | Linux is realy not my strong point | 18:30 |
| tbr | v3ng3anc3_: a personal question if you don't mind. Do you in real life stick your tounge out at everyone you speak to too? | 18:30 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | as you said! it's Personal | 18:31 |
| * keithzg wonders if he should buy a Nexus 5 so as to go all-in with the Nexus 4 + Sailfish . . . | 18:31 | |
| v3ng3anc3_ | actualy i don't, and yes i know it sucks | 18:31 |
| keithzg | (wouldn't want to give up my only pocketable Android device, but desperately desire Sailfish with a cellular connection, hrmmmm . . . choices, choices.) | 18:32 |
| coderus | android clipboard not shared with sailfish :( | 18:32 |
| ottulonen | coderus: nor is terminal clipboard | 18:33 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | but can you answer, what does Sailfish share with android (besides parts of the kernel) ? | 18:33 |
| tbr | the hardware adaptation layer | 18:34 |
| tbr | everything that comes as closed source binaries | 18:34 |
| v3ng3anc3_ | (that is part of the kernel, no? | 18:34 |
| tbr | no, it's user space | 18:34 |
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| v3ng3anc3_ | ok | 18:35 |
| keithzg | At least the Jolla clipboard is shared to Android essentially via the keyboard. | 18:35 |
| keithzg | I really like the ability to just tap on the icon above the keyboard, much less fiddly than Android's implementation of pasting. | 18:36 |
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| flanag | and I really like the text selection (it zooms in very close to let me scroll around) | 18:36 |
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| coderus | ottulonen: terminal just broken | 18:41 |
| coderus | latest fingerterm build not pushed to jolla repositories | 18:42 |
| coderus | you can compile it yourself with working clipboard :) | 18:42 |
| ottulonen | coderus: nice, good to know! | 18:42 |
| ottulonen | I don't need terminal all that often, but sometimes it'd be nice to be able to copy/paste | 18:43 |
| coderus | i can share latest rpm a bit later | 18:43 |
| phaeron | coderus: there is fingerterm update ? :) | 18:43 |
| FireFly | Speaking of fingerterm, anyone here working on that+ | 18:43 |
| FireFly | ?* | 18:43 |
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| FireFly | I added two issues and a PR a while ago, would be nice with comments on them | 18:44 |
| coderus | phaeron: not a update, but some commited changes | 18:46 |
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| coderus | FireFly: ping thp | 18:46 |
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| FireFly | thp: so apparently you're the main fingerterm guy. What do you think of replacing fingerterm's terminal emulation with one provided by one from an external library? (to improve emulation & reduce the amount of code to maintain.) | 18:50 |
| * FireFly thinks that would make sense, as currently fingerterm seems to lack quite a lot of terminal-emulator functionality that many desktop terminal emulators upport | 18:51 | |
| FireFly | support* | 18:51 |
| FireFly | (although, it seems to honour ECMA-48 a bit more than some other common terminals, which is neat.. | 18:51 |
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| flanag | it's weird how after a restart the UI feels buttery smooth (must be close to 60 fps) but after 5 minutes (without starting any applications) it starts feeling all stuttery (sometimes probably under 30 fps) | 19:12 |
| flanag | has anyone else noticed this? and can someone explain me why it does this? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: remember that keeping active might mean more cpu usage -> cpus are scaled higher in frequency | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | but in practice what you're seeing is something we finally got fixed in update4 | 19:14 |
| flanag | that's nice to know as after a restart (for a moment) the Jolla feels like a completely different device | 19:15 |
| flanag | so smooth | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: want a circus trick? | 19:15 |
| flanag | sorry but I didn't get that | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | as root | 19:16 |
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| flanag | so that changes the governor to performance and keeps the cpu clocked higher? | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | no, the gpu clock | 19:17 |
| flanag | ah yes, it's gpu accelerated | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | the stuttering is a protocol issue though | 19:18 |
| flanag | so the update solves this protocol issue? no need to have higher gpu clocks? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | it does, but higher gpu clocks help a lot | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | we are even aiming to be better when we get qt 5.2 in | 19:19 |
| flanag | nice to know this | 19:19 |
| flanag | btw, have you figured out the cause for the black screen on screen wake? | 19:19 |
| flanag | I've been getting that a lot lately | 19:19 |
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| flanag | (close to 10 times a day) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | i can't recall; but also remember that proximity sensor plays into that | 19:20 |
| flanag | it usually happens when I take the phone very quickly out of my pocket | 19:20 |
| flanag | and unlock it | 19:20 |
| flanag | so it probably has something to do with the proximity sensor as you said | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a balance act to be honest | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | first off you don't want pocket touches on the screen | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | second off you want it to react quickly enough to be out of the pocket | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | third off you want a good battery life. | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:22 |
| flanag | yeah, must be annoying to work with that | 19:22 |
| flanag | so no news on this issue on the update? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | i don't work in that area, so i can't answer | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| flanag | ah ok :) | 19:23 |
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| flanag | it just seems to be happening more often and I can't figure out why | 19:24 |
| flanag | maybe the 1.0.3.8 changed something | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | all the code related to it is open source if you'd like to play with it, though | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | as i understood | 19:24 |
| flanag | well, I'm not that advanced even though I hang out here :) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 19:25 |
| flanag | how much does that performance governor raise the gpu clocks? do you think it would make a visible difference on power consumption? | 19:27 |
| AL13N | wouldn't that be dynamically set depending on power status? | 19:28 |
| flanag | probably | 19:28 |
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| flanag | I just thought that the performance governor might lock the gpu at the maximum frequency | 19:33 |
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| coderus | phaeron: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/fingerterm-1.2.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 19:45 |
| phaeron | coderus: thanks , but I prefer to build my own. if a new release is tagged by thp it will get into future releases :) | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | edgars_: btw when did i say it comes this week? :P | 19:49 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: does the performance governor lock the gpu at its maximum frequency? | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | unrelated | 19:50 |
| flanag | ok | 19:50 |
| flanag | so any comment on the effect on power consumption? would you say it's not too bad? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's not too bad | 19:51 |
| flanag | ok, I might try using the phone with the performance governor, I've always liked a smooth UI :) | 19:51 |
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| flanag | thanks for the tip | 19:51 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | omg Stskeeps that performance governer feels like heaven! | 20:47 |
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| flanag | yes it does, I am using it now too | 20:48 |
| Morpog_Mobile | It's gone after a reboot i guess? | 20:48 |
| flanag | I don't think so | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 20:48 |
| flanag | is gone? ah ok | 20:49 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Nice to see that a lot of ppl are here so i guess there is still interest in a new OS | 21:01 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | even if it is a little different | 21:01 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | (something i find good) and i think the future of the OS'es will be gesture based | 21:02 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | but other os'es must take it slow (so they won't lose the user base) | 21:02 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | what do you guys think? is the future Gesture Based? | 21:04 |
| tbr | it was already great on the N9 | 21:05 |
| v3ng3anc3 | damn i loved it | 21:05 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | the social thab was genius | 21:06 |
| v3ng3anc3 | tab | 21:06 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and the multitasking | 21:06 |
| v3ng3anc3 | :) | 21:06 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i told you ... the thing that brought it down was the hardware | 21:06 |
| v3ng3anc3 | the S2 was years ahead | 21:06 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and the unfair play of Elop wich told everyone he will not continue development on the os right from the start | 21:07 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | tbr what is the OS like? compared to android or windows mobile 8 | 21:09 |
| v3ng3anc3 | ? | 21:09 |
| v3ng3anc3 | what would you change? or what is it badly missing? | 21:10 |
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| slate | stability. | 21:10 |
| slate | ;) | 21:10 |
| v3ng3anc3 | android 2.2 like? :( | 21:10 |
| v3ng3anc3 | or what? | 21:10 |
| tbr | for me it's stable | 21:11 |
| v3ng3anc3 | what i hated about Android the most was LAG | 21:11 |
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| tbr | but some people are less lucky | 21:11 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | i have a S1 wich i loaded almost any rom possible but it's never smooth | 21:11 |
| v3ng3anc3 | or at least not as it should (and yes i know it's an old phone) | 21:12 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | on the Nexus 4 it's 4.4 that is amazing | 21:12 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and what is different is ART | 21:12 |
| v3ng3anc3 | on dalvik it started lagging after a week | 21:13 |
| v3ng3anc3 | on art it never starts to ... | 21:13 |
| v3ng3anc3 | what do you think? | 21:13 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Now on the S1 i have 4.4 (omni rom) and it's the best (till now) and i use it with ART | 21:14 |
| starkers | I'm about to blow away my nexus for Jolla actually | 21:14 |
| starkers | gave my Jolla to a friend to develop but been missing Sailfish | 21:15 |
| v3ng3anc3 | good for you (nothing better then helping a new company) | 21:15 |
| starkers | I love linux | 21:15 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i know almost nothing about linux | 21:16 |
| v3ng3anc3 | :( | 21:16 |
| v3ng3anc3 | wanted to start learning but quit :( | 21:16 |
| starkers | been on it since the 486, I just like to see it being used well :-) | 21:16 |
| v3ng3anc3 | started a free course at Coursera.com | 21:16 |
| starkers | o_O | 21:17 |
| starkers | you can get Linux lessons? | 21:17 |
| v3ng3anc3 | About Programing on Java for Android | 21:17 |
| v3ng3anc3 | the first lesson had a few basic informations about linux (what the kernel is made of) and stuff like that | 21:18 |
| starkers | heh, you need to compile at least one? | 21:18 |
| v3ng3anc3 | but after that it started like i had a few years experience on Java wich i didn't | 21:18 |
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| starkers | have you been playing with qt? | 21:19 |
| v3ng3anc3 | No ... but heard a lot about it | 21:20 |
| v3ng3anc3 | what is it ? :P | 21:20 |
| starkers | I just love that I have a reasonable shell lol | 21:20 |
| starkers | qt is a toolkit for guis basically | 21:20 |
| Yaniel | qt is a huge library that provides UI functionality among other things | 21:20 |
| starkers | massive | 21:20 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and it works with what programming language? | 21:21 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Java? | 21:21 |
| starkers | any | 21:21 |
| v3ng3anc3 | any? | 21:21 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i know that basicly Java is so popular because it runs on almost any operating system with the help of Dalvik Virtual Machine And Java virtual Machine | 21:22 |
| v3ng3anc3 | but i am sure that Google can provide the info i need about QT | 21:23 |
| v3ng3anc3 | :) | 21:23 |
| Yaniel | Qt is written in C++ but there are lots of bindings to other languages | 21:23 |
| v3ng3anc3 | qt is a cross-platform application framework that is widely used for developing application software with a graphical user interface (GUI) (in which cases Qt is classified as a widget toolkit), and also used for developing non-GUI programs such as command-line tools and consoles for servers. | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | well actually "normal" Java doesn't really run on most ARM devices (there is work being done in OpenJDK though) | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | and the Android Java isn't really compatible with "normal" Java | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | and basically frozen at about Java 6 level IIRC | 21:26 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Well, it's not tru as the Android SDK need ava 7 | 21:27 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Java | 21:27 |
| v3ng3anc3 | damn keyboard | 21:27 |
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| M4rtinK | just heard that somewhere, could be wrong :) | 21:28 |
| v3ng3anc3 | What is the Programming language that the Sailfish SDK is based on? | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | mostly C++ | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | & Bash scripts | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | maybe some Python | 21:29 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Well you can write code for android in Basic Java | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, you can write applications for Sailfish in Python :) | 21:29 |
| flotron | Any news about Sailfish for Nexus? | 21:30 |
| v3ng3anc3 | but the Android SDK helps a lot with the api's | 21:30 |
| v3ng3anc3 | And ofcourse with the UI | 21:30 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Flotron i have no news about the nesxus build of Sailfish | 21:31 |
| v3ng3anc3 | May i ask what nexus are you talking about? | 21:31 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | So what do i have to do to get a test build? | 21:32 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | tbr ? | 21:33 |
| v3ng3anc3 | can i get my hands on a Beta? | 21:33 |
| artemma | v3ng3anc3: just want to get some simple app running? Download sdk | 21:34 |
| v3ng3anc3 | no, i want to see how it works on my Nexus 4 | 21:34 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i have the SDK | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | for the sailfish for android stuff; we work with a early adopter programme atm, poke sledges with your name/mail and devices in /msg if you'd like to sign up | 21:35 |
| artemma | I don't think there are any official instructions for nexus yet | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | and then later on it'll be for users directly | 21:35 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | thanks | 21:36 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i would beta test (do logs and everything to help with the development) | 21:36 |
| flotron | v3ng3anc3: nexus 4 | 21:37 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | ?? | 21:38 |
| v3ng3anc3 | What do you want to say? | 21:39 |
| flanag | he just told you what he was talking about earlier | 21:39 |
| flanag | "<v3ng3anc3> May i ask what nexus are you talking about?" | 21:39 |
| v3ng3anc3 | ... right :) thanks | 21:40 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i am on the same device and would love to know the same thing as you | 21:40 |
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| flotron | just PM sledge for early adopters | 21:42 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | i pm him with my mail and device | 21:43 |
| v3ng3anc3 | should i add something else? | 21:43 |
| flotron | yes.. | 21:43 |
| flotron | interest | 21:43 |
| flotron | purpose | 21:43 |
| flotron | what for.. | 21:43 |
| v3ng3anc3 | understood | 21:44 |
| v3ng3anc3 | thanks again | 21:44 |
| v3ng3anc3 | do you mind if i ask what is sledges part in the development? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | santa claus in practice; he keeps tabs of who's naughty and who's nice | 21:45 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | You guys are on the developers team (Jolla employes) or just users that help with the development? | 21:47 |
| v3ng3anc3 | BTW i don't type so much but i had a few drinks .... and i can't stop it :P | 21:48 |
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| ShadowJK | There are jolla people here too, but they're also here as users/etc, not as official spokespeople | 21:49 |
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| flotron | Jolla guys (working inside) are called Sailors by the community | 21:50 |
| Yaniel | basically there are people who "know things" because they happen to work for Jolla | 21:50 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | nice to know | 21:51 |
| v3ng3anc3 | thanks guys | 21:51 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i LOVE what you do and think you are realy smart | 21:51 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | And phone OS'es should be gesture based. buttons take space for no reason | 21:52 |
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| Yaniel | physical buttons are nice | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | virtual buttons on a touchscreen though... | 21:55 |
| FireFly | Although, gestures are also nice | 21:56 |
| ln- | anyone seen icons on top of the lock screen and ambience selection? http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/lock+icons1.jpg http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/lock+icons2.jpg | 21:56 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | even physical buttons take space (physical) wich makes the devices bigger | 21:56 |
| v3ng3anc3 | gesture take no space and time makes them intuitive | 21:56 |
| FireFly | ln-: how did you trigger that? looks buggy | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | v3ng3anc3: the space requirement is the main problem with physical keys | 21:57 |
| flanag | ln-: I've seen that | 21:57 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and i don't need to know every gesture in one day | 21:57 |
| v3ng3anc3 | I know Yaniel | 21:58 |
| FireFly | Edge gestures require some hardware space too, in the form of padding around the display | 21:58 |
| v3ng3anc3 | not realy Firefly | 21:58 |
| flanag | shortly after I saw that my Jolla rebooted and went into a boot loop (not sure about if it went to boot loop but at least it rebooted) | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | they do need a small padding around the display | 21:58 |
| flanag | can't remember | 21:58 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i use Pie with My Purity 4.4 and it does not need hardware adaptaions | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | and preferrably rounded edges | 21:58 |
| flanag | luckily it has only happened once | 21:59 |
| v3ng3anc3 | adaptations | 21:59 |
| ln- | FireFly: i think long-pressing the icons to get in and out the delete mode had something to do with it. | 21:59 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and it works great | 21:59 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i don't think the Nokia n9 had any hardware changes to work with the basel gestures | 22:00 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Guys tomorrow i will come back (after work) | 22:01 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | C`ya and thanks for the info | 22:01 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Good Night | 22:01 |
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| eye_a | jolla )0LLA JOH | 23:47 |
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