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| stephg | lol | 00:03 |
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| stephg | ^^ FACT | 00:03 |
| stephg | it's not their fault, some of the states ban unpasteurised cheese | 00:03 |
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| keithzg | Wellll, there are historical justifications for that. It's not like nobody ever got sick from unpasteurized dairy products :P | 00:04 |
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| stephg | it's a risk I'm willing to take ;) | 00:05 |
| keithzg | I know we have unpasteurized cheese up here in Canada, though. | 00:05 |
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| keithzg | And some pretty good cheese, to boot. Some of that just thanks to the crazy Québécois (they also make some great beer). | 00:06 |
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| * sledges writes down :) | 00:08 | |
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| Warnaud | morning | 06:09 |
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| just4info_ | morning | 06:22 |
| just4info_ | 2h 37min till something big will happen :) | 06:23 |
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| Warnaud | :D | 06:24 |
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| entil | where'd they have the streams again? | 06:35 |
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| entil | marc up at 10:35 on the silver stage | 06:36 |
| entil | You don't have permission to access "http://qsb_hd-f.akamaihd.net/z/slushHD1_1@149801/manifest.f4m" on this server. | 06:36 |
| entil | maybe they haven't started streaming yet | 06:37 |
| Warnaud | I guess it's still breakfast :) | 06:38 |
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| inz | Warnaud, but we want to see what they are eating! | 06:43 |
| Warnaud | !! indeed !! | 06:43 |
| Merbot` | Warnaud: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 06:43 |
| Warnaud | :D | 06:43 |
| Warnaud | sorry Merbot` :P | 06:43 |
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| Nicd- | oh boy oh boy oh boy | 07:09 |
| Nicd- | today we'll get to see the tablet! ;) | 07:09 |
| lpotter | or chocolate | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | mmm chocolate | 07:10 |
| entil | or accessory or partnership deal or corporate-sponsored other half | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | yeah, my guess is it's either a tablet or some OH | 07:11 |
| * Stskeeps is on way to slush | 07:11 | |
| Nicd- | I think Stskeeps is laughing at our guesses | 07:11 |
| entil | it's all about conspiracy theories | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: enjoying rather | 07:11 |
| svuorela | jolla is going into the rubber boot business | 07:11 |
| entil | :D | 07:12 |
| Nicd- | Jolla tyres! | 07:12 |
| Nicd- | now that would be something | 07:12 |
| entil | jolla buoys | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | your tyres are not reponding... wait,or close? | 07:12 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: Please wait* | 07:12 |
| JvD_ | =) | 07:13 |
| entil | multitouch tyres, it's not only the other half of the tyre that touches the ground | 07:13 |
| entil | how exactly this dimensional warp is achieved is closed source at the moment | 07:13 |
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| TemeV | Tyre TOH, well that would be something! :) | 07:13 |
| entil | could also try to usurp tizen on car dashboards | 07:15 |
| Nicd- | Jolla partners with Tesla to make the Model S dashboard UI? | 07:18 |
| entil | silica widgets on top of efl! | 07:18 |
| svuorela | but having jolla and nokia announcing tablets around the same time could be interesting | 07:20 |
| just4info_ | i hope not....who needs tablets? | 07:20 |
| svuorela | I do. | 07:20 |
| ruskie | I do | 07:21 |
| svuorela | the meego one I_have in a drawer is clumsy and unusable | 07:21 |
| meklu | we need a jolla brewery, clearly | 07:21 |
| meklu | because there's a nokia brewery | 07:21 |
| Tofe | it's very handy to have a 10" snooze button. | 07:21 |
| flux | I think two guys using tablets is not going to be enough business for Jolla, though | 07:21 |
| just4info_ | i hope they rather work on their system for smartphones rather than having two things halfe done | 07:21 |
| flux | I also have a use for tablets: apparently they make nice Christmas gifts. | 07:22 |
| Teemu | jolla brewery sounds cool | 07:22 |
| Teemu | i'm not sure if you noticed but tablets are selling like hot cheesecakes | 07:22 |
| just4info_ | flux, and that's pretty much it. I do however use a convertable which makes tablets completely obsolete (atleast for my use) | 07:22 |
| JvD_ | but don't follow path of Nokia water works | 07:22 |
| Teemu | a convertable that actually works could perhaps be interesting | 07:23 |
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| just4info_ | Teemu, the Thinkpad yoga, actually works quite well | 07:24 |
| Teemu | which os does it run? | 07:24 |
| meklu | this was some good stuff: https://meklu.org/imgs/other/lingonberry_soda.jpg | 07:24 |
| svuorela | Teemu: win8.1 | 07:24 |
| meklu | but I doubt it had much to do with the rubberboot/tyre/phone nokias | 07:25 |
| just4info_ | Teemu, sadly the preinstalled win 8.1 so far, i'd require some time to get fedora running propperly | 07:25 |
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| Teemu | for me that means it's not working | 07:25 |
| Teemu | anyway tablets are outselling laptops so i'd not say there are just two guys using tablets | 07:25 |
| Kiranos_ | lol anyone tried setting the computer time to 2hours in the future to reveal? P | 07:26 |
| just4info_ | Teemu, not many people are running it on linux so far, for the normal yoga scripts to get it running are already online, the thinkpad will take some time | 07:26 |
| Teemu | if a nerd beta tablet would sell is completely another question | 07:26 |
| Kiranos_ | no tablet please :) | 07:26 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos_: if the reveal was client side it would have already leaked :P | 07:26 |
| Kiranos_ | joking :) | 07:26 |
| just4info_ | Teemu, a nerd tablet would be a convertible :) | 07:27 |
| Teemu | tablet with another half | 07:27 |
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| Teemu | perhaps with chorded keybored | 07:27 |
| just4info_ | Teemu, you are describing a convertible.... | 07:27 |
| Teemu | :) | 07:28 |
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| Teemu | except the ones this far are shipped with windos disease | 07:28 |
| Kiranos_ | anyone know a online anonomus voting site? we should set it up and do a vote count now unitl it goes live, would be fun to see what the community thinks | 07:29 |
| just4info_ | Teemu, you can install any system you want on them | 07:29 |
| Kiranos_ | +1 for tablet | 07:29 |
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| Teemu | just4info_: most just run whatever it ships with | 07:30 |
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| Teemu | anyway what i said about nerd tablets is that i'm not sure if nerds (the people who buy jolla phones) would actually like a tablet, be it just a tablet or phablet or convertible | 07:31 |
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| just4info_ | Teemu, the yoga for example, runs like a normal laptop, it offers a full bios and allows you to install anything you want on it | 07:31 |
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| Teemu | full bios sounds like x86 | 07:31 |
| just4info_ | Teemu, yes, it ships with an i7, the hardware is top notch | 07:31 |
| Nicd- | just looked at the yoga 2, the hardware wasn't top notch :P | 07:33 |
| Teemu | :) | 07:33 |
| just4info_ | Nicd-, we are talking about the Thinkpad yoga, not the lenovo yoga 2 | 07:33 |
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| Nicd- | ah | 07:33 |
| timoph | hello people, hippies and other life forms o/ | 07:34 |
| Jope | borjensd | 07:34 |
| meklu | bios? | 07:34 |
| Teemu | hallo | 07:34 |
| meklu | what is this, 1998? | 07:34 |
| Nicd- | just4info_: but it has similar specs... | 07:34 |
| tbr | moo timoph | 07:35 |
| just4info_ | Nicd-, what's wrong with them? | 07:35 |
| Nicd- | memory caps at 8 GB and gpu is crappy | 07:35 |
| stephg | ohai! | 07:35 |
| Nicd- | it's not terrible but it's not top notch | 07:35 |
| Teemu | 8gigs isn't that much | 07:36 |
| just4info_ | Nicd-, you want a good gpu in a tablet/convertible/notebook? O.o | 07:36 |
| timoph | tbr: moo | 07:36 |
| ruskie | just4info_, well some people want a extreme gaming class performance in a 10" 1 mm thick device | 07:36 |
| Teemu | i'm totally running out of my current 4gigs on the laptop, have to keep a close look at ram usage at all times | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | just4info_: true, I don't use tablets so I'm thinking from a laptop perspective | 07:37 |
| Nicd- | Teemu: I'm stuck with 2 :( | 07:37 |
| just4info_ | Nicd-, even on a laptop you won't render videos......that's what desktops are for. This thing is ment to be portable | 07:37 |
| Teemu | i'm not sure where a laptop would need superduper gpus | 07:37 |
| Nicd- | it's all gone when I open chrome | 07:37 |
| meklu | why wouldn't you render? | 07:37 |
| meklu | that's just silly | 07:38 |
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| just4info_ | ruskie, and i want a battery which never gets empty :P | 07:38 |
| meklu | next you'll tell me you don't compile stuff on a laptop | 07:38 |
| Teemu | :) | 07:38 |
| meklu | you might as well get a pen-and-paper notebook in that case! | 07:38 |
| Teemu | i run a browser on laptop, eats much more cpu gpu and ram than all other stuff combined that i do on this | 07:38 |
| meklu | browsers are rather horrible, as is the web :( | 07:39 |
| Teemu | mind you, the stuff i compile ends up with being a statically linked binary of several kilobytes in size | 07:39 |
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| stephg | question should anyone know | 07:40 |
| stephg | will Marc Dillon be on stage at 8:35 or does the show start at 9 | 07:40 |
| stephg | (i.e. do I try to go to work early) | 07:40 |
| Teemu | it was 9 some 40 minutes ago | 07:40 |
| stephg | UTC :P | 07:40 |
| meklu | Teemu: UTC | 07:40 |
| Teemu | :) | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | stephg: 1 hour 19 minutes | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | to go | 07:41 |
| Teemu | slush time | 07:41 |
| stephg | I read somewhere he was on stage at 8:35 tho | 07:41 |
| meklu | until the announcement, sure | 07:41 |
| stephg | ^^ hence my confusion | 07:41 |
| meklu | but the slush schedule says marc will be on stage 25 minutes before that | 07:41 |
| stephg | I must watch the streams you see! | 07:41 |
| stephg | roight | 07:41 |
| entil | I must watch the streams you hear! | 07:41 |
| stephg | I know! | 07:41 |
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| entil | nope.. no one picked it up | 07:42 |
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| pp_ | better start up the stream before everyone else does! | 07:43 |
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| Sidde | link to the stream? | 07:46 |
| pp_ | slush.org and it's obvious | 07:46 |
| pp_ | silver stage, apparently | 07:47 |
| entil | https://twitter.com/SirKneeland/status/534726268668092416 wut | 07:47 |
| Nicd- | entil: what's "wut" about it? | 07:47 |
| meklu | ooh, neat | 07:47 |
| Nicd- | I think that was pretty expected | 07:47 |
| entil | maybe I'm too far from the tablet scene, and the android scene, and every other scene | 07:48 |
| chr1stopher | entil: cant use twitter here, what is it ^^ | 07:48 |
| entil | "@jetleigh Soon. It has an open bootloader, so go get CM working on it! ;)" | 07:48 |
| meklu | [regarding the Nokia N1] | 07:48 |
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| Teemu | CM could be cyanogenmod, which is a less restricted android version from nerd community | 07:50 |
| entil | could it be anything else? | 07:50 |
| entil | it could be citymarket, of course | 07:50 |
| meklu | it *is* cyanogenmod | 07:50 |
| pp_ | @jetleigh works for them so yes ;) | 07:50 |
| meklu | ^ | 07:50 |
| Teemu | yet it is still android so it will continue to annoy you to no end | 07:50 |
| pp_ | CM (well, certain versions of it) means sailfish is possible :P | 07:50 |
| Nicd- | entil: KKK on my Nokia N1? :O | 07:50 |
| Jope | citymarket was kkkk ;-) | 07:50 |
| pp_ | then again, it's intel not arm | 07:51 |
| entil | then it's a klablet | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | ah, silly me | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | supermarket is KKK of course | 07:51 |
| tbr | and apparently the GPU is SGX, which is ewwww | 07:51 |
| meklu | hey, we can put the emulator image on it ;P | 07:51 |
| pp_ | just get the powervr running somehow with vendor drivers and you're fine | 07:51 |
| entil | doesn't sailfish run perfectly well on intel? | 07:51 |
| tbr | "just" | 07:51 |
| timoph | hmm. it's intel atom. does it have a fan in it? | 07:51 |
| Teemu | pp how is CM sailfish? | 07:51 |
| timoph | the nokia thing | 07:52 |
| tbr | entil: modulo SGX graphics crap | 07:52 |
| pp_ | see the HADK :-) | 07:52 |
| meklu | Teemu: if you can flash CM on it, you can flash SFOS on it :P | 07:52 |
| meklu | and also the HADK stuff | 07:52 |
| tbr | SGX on intel has to be the worst GPU I've seen in a decade | 07:52 |
| entil | if sailfish doesn't run on it, big whoop | 07:52 |
| Teemu | ahhh that, yes (whats hadk?) | 07:52 |
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| meklu | Poulsbo was enough of a PowerVR disaster already | 07:52 |
| Sail0r | one hour to go :) | 07:52 |
| Teemu | entil: yes, who the eff cares about yet another android | 07:52 |
| meklu | Hardware Adaptation Kit | 07:52 |
| meklu | + Development^ | 07:53 |
| * tbr has a MinnowboardMax with intel GPU <3 | 07:53 | |
| Teemu | ah | 07:53 |
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| tbr | they should have gone with an intel gpu soc :-/ | 07:53 |
| Teemu | now, wonder if anybody has been interested in nvidia jetson running sailfish | 07:53 |
| Teemu | i nearly typoed railfish, now that might be interesting | 07:53 |
| meklu | a tegra k1 would've been neat | 07:53 |
| Teemu | i guess railfish would be bsd internals and userland with sailfish ux | 07:54 |
| meklu | ooh, that jetson thing looks cool | 07:54 |
| Teemu | meklu: we got two at ell-i | 07:55 |
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| stephg | Teemu: ick imagine the comedy of the systemd on the bsd | 07:55 |
| Teemu | after our da4bri demo has been on, you can come play with us at helsink hacklab | 07:55 |
| * stephg does not wish to start a flamewar | 07:55 | |
| pp_ | heh, and elops finnish lessons conclude (he learned "ovi kiinni" the first time he went to sauna): http://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/60380/nokia-store-will-shut-in-mid-2015-users-redirected-to-opera-mobile-store/ | 07:56 |
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| * tbr is waiting for a 64bit jetson board (not counting the Nx9) | 07:56 | |
| Teemu | stephg: the darwinos init (i forgot the name of which) looks a lot less clumsy than systemd suite | 07:56 |
| lukedirtwalker | time went to 0 | 07:56 |
| meklu | launchd? | 07:57 |
| * meklu isn't at all sure | 07:57 | |
| Teemu | could be | 07:57 |
| lukedirtwalker | http://jolla.com/ ? | 07:57 |
| Teemu | i'm not a darwinos developer so i have not followed closely | 07:57 |
| Teemu | i just knows this boots up crazy fast and daemons are managed nicely | 07:58 |
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| Teemu | someone a few years ago wrote a nice analysis on how the current darwinos init daemon works | 07:58 |
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| Teemu | a few years == when it was new and shiny | 07:58 |
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| Teemu | way before any linux or other bsd had anything other than the traditional nysv/bsd inits | 07:59 |
| meklu | lukedirtwalker: still says 1 hour left here | 07:59 |
| Tofe | H-1 | 07:59 |
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| Teemu | ... i never could quite get why linus chose nysv init with its multiple run levels as that's completely unnecessary | 08:00 |
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| lukedirtwalker | Aha my computers clock is wrong hehe | 08:00 |
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| Teemu | computer is either on, in maintenance, or off (the last of which doesn't really need a state as it is off so tracking the state is quite redundant and actually pretty hard) | 08:01 |
| pp_ | Linux wasn't sysv in the beginning, it was bsdish | 08:01 |
| pp_ | (and other people did userland at that point) | 08:02 |
| Teemu | ahh | 08:02 |
| Teemu | so can i blame arl on this? | 08:02 |
| entil | I had bsd-ish rc files in my lfs at some point | 08:02 |
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| Teemu | i remember linux 0.99somethings | 08:02 |
| Teemu | and 386bsd | 08:02 |
| Teemu | and sunos 4.0.3 | 08:02 |
| Tofe | Teemu: you aren't new in the neighborhood isn't it :) | 08:03 |
| Jope | did linus ever provide a userland? | 08:03 |
| Jope | I got on board too late, in 1996 | 08:03 |
| Teemu | not really | 08:04 |
| Jope | so the mainstream distros were quite established by then | 08:04 |
| Jope | my choice was slackware. :-) | 08:04 |
| pp_ | look for rootimage-0.12 orso | 08:04 |
| Teemu | he just kind of encouraged people to go into some directions | 08:04 |
| Tofe | distros ? with an s, like there were several ? ;) | 08:04 |
| Teemu | i guess the init decicion was not related to him very much | 08:04 |
| stephg | well by '96 RH was definitely a thing | 08:04 |
| entil | Jope: I'm practically later, iirc my first contact was really in december 1996, or january 1997 | 08:04 |
| Teemu | at first there were no distros | 08:05 |
| Jope | in 96 theere was slack, rh, debian | 08:05 |
| stephg | (is also about when I started) | 08:05 |
| Teemu | then at some point slackware and yggdrasil came into being | 08:05 |
| Jope | that were in any way established | 08:05 |
| entil | I had this 6-disc box from 1996 with the three distros on it, probably still have it somewhere | 08:05 |
| Teemu | yggdrasil was already pretty dead in '96 | 08:05 |
| Jope | entil, one of those infomagic sets no doubt | 08:05 |
| entil | Jope: sounds familiar | 08:05 |
| Jope | that's how I got my start too. I had the blue infomagic set | 08:05 |
| Tofe | entil: I may still have my 4-cd slackware 3.3 somewhere | 08:05 |
| entil | this one was green | 08:06 |
| Teemu | btw most of those distro cds were made at cdrom.com, running on freebsd | 08:06 |
| entil | should install debian on a virtualbox machine and dist-upgrade | 08:06 |
| Jope | http://implementationdetails.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/linuxcdset.jpg?w=655 this one :-D | 08:06 |
| pp_ | I got started with boot/rootdisk 0.95 :-) | 08:06 |
| Teemu | many ftps were also hosted on cdrom.com servers (on freebsd) | 08:06 |
| Teemu | i mean, many distro main ftp sites | 08:06 |
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| pp_ | Then SLS and Slackware (debian was a bit like GNU Hurd, eventually it will be the one and only distro) | 08:08 |
| Teemu | oh, sls | 08:08 |
| Teemu | yes | 08:08 |
| Teemu | debian came into being only later on | 08:09 |
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| stephg | american corporates make me laugh | 08:10 |
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| stephg | such beefcake | 08:10 |
| Tofe | looks like dinosaurs hooked the channel :p | 08:10 |
| Teemu | tofe :) | 08:10 |
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| Teemu | i'm reliving the past currently as i'm setting up an open source open hardware community for very small things and a lot of this reminds me on what the world looked like two decades ago | 08:11 |
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| mornfall | ha, 3/4 of an hour | 08:13 |
| entil | marc's on in like 20 minutes anywa | 08:13 |
| chr1stopher | i have not read so many good things about jollas web-browser, but if they reveal a tablet a good browser is a very important thing, or? do you like the browser? you are using "third party web-browsers" on your yolla? still deciding if to buy a nexus 6 or a jolla | 08:13 |
| stephg | chr1stopher: I'd wait until after 0900 UTC ;) | 08:14 |
| Tegu | I'm mostly using the default browser even though it has it downsides | 08:14 |
| * entil what tegu said | 08:14 | |
| stephg | +1 | 08:14 |
| Nicd- | I'm using Android Opera | 08:14 |
| Tegu | sometimes webcat, which also has its downsides | 08:14 |
| Nicd- | much better UX for me | 08:14 |
| Tegu | and in extreme situations android's firefox | 08:14 |
| meklu | I use the default browser | 08:14 |
| entil | if it's still dima working the browser, he's one of the more competent people I know, so there are hopes the browser will get better (and some other reason for why it's not as good as it should be) | 08:15 |
| Teemu | i'm using the default browser | 08:15 |
| meklu | and sometimes the Android version of Opera | 08:15 |
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| Tegu | the default browser doesn't have search nor copy-paste, for which I use webcat | 08:15 |
| tadzik | I'm using android opera too, only falling back to stock when connecting to some idiotic public wifi | 08:15 |
| Teemu | i've also not yet updated to -dev sailfish so i don't know how much the system has improved | 08:15 |
| tadzik | where opera doesn't always work as expected for some reason | 08:15 |
| entil | I'm dismayed at google maps not working on the browser | 08:16 |
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| pp_ | here maps for android! | 08:17 |
| tadzik | yeah! | 08:17 |
| tadzik | those work well | 08:17 |
| Teemu | here maps for railfish | 08:17 |
| chr1stopher | stephg: i will and still hoping for a jolla2 ;D | 08:17 |
| pp_ | (native would be better, obviously) | 08:17 |
| chr1stopher | do android browser like opera or firefox run smoothly? | 08:17 |
| tadzik | usually | 08:17 |
| mornfall | chr1stopher: why so? | 08:17 |
| tadzik | it sucks after the opt-in update | 08:17 |
| entil | I ran the android firefox for a while | 08:18 |
| entil | it worked but I hated it | 08:18 |
| entil | despite having all the features the stock browser would benefit from having | 08:18 |
| chr1stopher | mornfall: why i wait for a jolla2 or why i ask these browser questions? | 08:19 |
| mornfall | why jolla2 | 08:19 |
| mornfall | (well, I imagine more RAM, but I don't think those guys will ever learn *this* lesson :|) | 08:20 |
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| Teemu | it'll not be jolla2 but a row boat | 08:20 |
| Teemu | after that a sailboat, then a yact ... | 08:20 |
| tbr | rowboat was the name of the OMAP Android porting effort... | 08:20 |
| entil | or the ebba mærsk | 08:21 |
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| Tegu | Teemu: yea, a _small_ row boat ;) | 08:22 |
| ortylp | entil: but you have Nokia maps, they are as evil as google maps, so no reason to complain... until we have native support for vectorised offline OSM maps we have no practically no maps, | 08:22 |
| Teemu | Tegu: like the ones they row at universities, very small and fast | 08:22 |
| inz | Hmm, I accidentally somehow muted my slush stream, no idea how to get it back | 08:22 |
| stephg | ortylp: well, poor maps isn't bad (not vector, no) | 08:22 |
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| stephg | but to say there aren't maps... | 08:23 |
| entil | ortylp: no idea about nokia maps, or anything on android, and the last I tried jolla's whatever maps it got it was simply horrible | 08:23 |
| entil | like the only thing I didn't like at all | 08:23 |
| entil | used imperial units on an english language setting for example | 08:23 |
| chr1stopher | jolla is 350€ and there are 100€ coupons going around? so you can buy one for 250€ at the moment? | 08:23 |
| stephg | I think the 100€ off thing has ended | 08:23 |
| Teemu | entil i kind of like the navigation all at the moment and have just small grudges against it | 08:24 |
| entil | I need to give it another shot | 08:24 |
| Teemu | such as traveling from here to there via this and that isn't possible for me atm | 08:24 |
| Teemu | also traveling from nonhere isn't | 08:24 |
| stephg | Teemu: try Poor Maps | 08:24 |
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| Teemu | OH OH and it somewhy decided to fsck up the addresses of places | 08:25 |
| Teemu | in finland there is no such thing as 15 olarinluoma or 9 kasavuorentie | 08:25 |
| Teemu | that's just EVYL | 08:25 |
| just4info_ | chr1stopher, yes | 08:25 |
| pp_ | people that bought the keyboard will have more 100e coupons | 08:25 |
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| just4info_ | pp_, what keyboard? | 08:26 |
| stephg | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 08:26 |
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| chr1stopher | hmm 250€ is a nice price ^^ | 08:26 |
| mornfall | stephg: they aren't offline either (besides not being vector) | 08:27 |
| just4info_ | stephg, ahh i see | 08:27 |
| stephg | mornfall true | 08:27 |
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| stephg | 7 minutes to go :) | 08:28 |
| Tegu | 7? the countdown shows 31 minutes for me | 08:28 |
| just4info_ | Tegu, same | 08:28 |
| Teemu | stream url anyone? | 08:28 |
| entil | for marc on slush.org | 08:28 |
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| mornfall | oh, there's a real-life event going on | 08:29 |
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| entil | You don't have permission to access "http://qsb_hd-f.akamaihd.net/z/slushHD1_1@149801/manifest.f4m" on this server. | 08:29 |
| mornfall | could have figured that one out :D | 08:29 |
| entil | so ytf won't it work | 08:29 |
| lainwir3d | hi ! | 08:29 |
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| stephg | morning! | 08:29 |
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| stephg | exciting times :) | 08:29 |
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| entil | anyone actually getting the stream? | 08:30 |
| faenil | bring it on bring it on! | 08:30 |
| faenil | morning everyone | 08:30 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 08:30 |
| ortylp | entil: if you have installed dalvik on Jolla, then try OSMAnd (install from f-droid) | 08:30 |
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| lainwir3d | damn, i was sure it started in 5minutes | 08:30 |
| SK_work | ha ! just in time ! | 08:30 |
| SK_work | it doesn't start in 5 min ? :( | 08:31 |
| lainwir3d | seems like I am an hour earlier | 08:31 |
| entil | ortylp: can't be arsed to figure out how f-droid works and all that in five minutes | 08:31 |
| stephg | SK_work: something does | 08:31 |
| lainwir3d | don't know, the streaming website displays 10h35 | 08:31 |
| stephg | that's local time I believe | 08:31 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: finnish time | 08:31 |
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| marinaio | it starts in 5 minuts, now streaming Keynote: Lessons Learned in Startupland | 08:31 |
| marinaio | then Jolla | 08:32 |
| lainwir3d | true | 08:32 |
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| stephg | mr zendesk leaves the stage... | 08:32 |
| chr1stopher | now they talk about jolla | 08:32 |
| just4info_ | what was the link to the stream again? | 08:33 |
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| timoph | slush.org | 08:33 |
| marinaio | dillon on stage! | 08:33 |
| stephg | don't have the link | 08:33 |
| stephg | silver stage tho | 08:33 |
| tbr | sailfisIOS - LULZ! | 08:33 |
| stephg | jup | 08:33 |
| lainwir3d | http://www.slush.org/ | 08:33 |
| Tegu | silver stage | 08:33 |
| entil | fucking hell, chromium just says media can't be played | 08:33 |
| stephg | plays in ff on linux | 08:33 |
| timoph | yep | 08:33 |
| entil | and firefox has 403, and wget on my irc host says 403 as well | 08:33 |
| just4info_ | thanks | 08:33 |
| lainwir3d | plays on chromium here | 08:33 |
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| SK_work | damn | 08:33 |
| SK_work | no sound | 08:34 |
| mornfall | it doesn't work here either if that's any consolation :-) | 08:34 |
| stephg | ooh sailors | 08:34 |
| mornfall | (neither ff nor chromium) | 08:34 |
| chr1stopher | fedora + chrome works | 08:34 |
| tbr | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/11/marc-dillon-jolla-impossible-story.html - stream plays from here for me | 08:34 |
| Nicd- | someone said "Sailfish iOS"? :D | 08:34 |
| Mirv | I opened slush.org earlier, works still | 08:34 |
| Nicd- | ooooh dat beard | 08:34 |
| SK_work | stupid windows | 08:35 |
| Tegu | movember? | 08:35 |
| SK_work | :D | 08:35 |
| SK_work | indeed | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | hint: don't read the comments on the slush live feed | 08:35 |
| lainwir3d | heh | 08:35 |
| lainwir3d | too late | 08:35 |
| sledges | morning :) | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | full of trolls | 08:35 |
| tbr | Nicd-: that presenter girl said that | 08:35 |
| stephg | she did | 08:36 |
| mcfrisk | streams don't work, sigh. | 08:36 |
| mornfall | mcfrisk: it's 2014 what did you expect | 08:36 |
| covox | it's being hammered | 08:36 |
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| Nicd- | stream works fine for me | 08:36 |
| mdxth | same here | 08:36 |
| entil | doesn't work on the phone either | 08:36 |
| lukedirtwalker | amazing slides | 08:36 |
| covox | if it drops it's quicker to just reload the page | 08:37 |
| mornfall | I love this “works for me” mentality though. :-) | 08:37 |
| entil | yes | 08:37 |
| SK_work | I'm so MAD ! Stream works, but windows sound don't :s | 08:37 |
| SK_work | wtf | 08:37 |
| entil | everyone probably opened their browsers before anyone else and got a socket going | 08:37 |
| * pahartik tried with "VLC", did not get video content | 08:37 | |
| Tegu | I'm on windows and sound works | 08:37 |
| entil | or just got lucky | 08:37 |
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| covox | linux sound is working | 08:37 |
| * Mirv not touching anything as everything works | 08:37 | |
| Tegu | firefox 24 ESR | 08:37 |
| mornfall | folks, do you realize it's not the browser? :-) | 08:37 |
| mornfall | it's akamai | 08:37 |
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| Nicd- | bah, gotta open devtools to hide the chat | 08:37 |
| mornfall | so it depends on your IP | 08:37 |
| Tegu | oki | 08:38 |
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| entil | mornfall: they're blacklisting IPs?-) | 08:38 |
| Tegu | "every month" | 08:38 |
| mornfall | (not saying your browser ain't broken :P) | 08:38 |
| Tegu | :P | 08:38 |
| Tegu | well I'm not blaming | 08:38 |
| mornfall | entil: nah, probably a disruption in the CDN | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | chat deleted, stream quality improved 1000% :) | 08:38 |
| stephg | haha | 08:38 |
| mornfall | entil: so some servers are broken and if it's “your” server (based on IP), you are out of luck | 08:38 |
| * tbr has it playing nicely full screen on the android TV thingy | 08:38 | |
| SK_work | Tegu: it is my windows that is broken :) | 08:38 |
| stephg | no chat here, no trouble with stream | 08:38 |
| SK_work | no sound work | 08:38 |
| Tegu | :( | 08:38 |
| SK_work | can anyone livestream ? :D | 08:39 |
| mornfall | yeah, there are folks that livestream :-) | 08:39 |
| locusf | bah not working | 08:39 |
| entil | I should probably just slap the browser with my chicken | 08:39 |
| Tegu | oh, it's nearly the anniversary | 08:39 |
| mornfall | well, someone can do us a favour and run a commentary here :P | 08:40 |
| covox | MD is running over the milestones for the company | 08:40 |
| stephg | can do if you really want | 08:40 |
| covox | just talked about the launch last year, with the huge line | 08:40 |
| Sail0r | Marc gets more and more like steve jobs xD | 08:40 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: different though | 08:40 |
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| Sail0r | I think from the way presenting Jolla | 08:41 |
| chr1stopher | 130 employees, every month one os update, 13000 bugs fixed, employees from 25 countries | 08:41 |
| SK_work | he has charisma, indeed, but some kind of rocker / sailor charisma | 08:41 |
| Sail0r | yeah, that's right | 08:41 |
| SK_work | what's the phone in his hands ? | 08:42 |
| mcfrisk | jolla out of money, open source everything. That would be big ;) | 08:42 |
| entil | maybe I'll see this on youtube later | 08:42 |
| SK_work | a classic Jolla ? | 08:42 |
| stephg | SK_work: a jolla | 08:42 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: please no :( | 08:43 |
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| mornfall | they probably wouldn't go to announce that on slush | 08:43 |
| timoph | why? | 08:43 |
| SK_work | announcing they bankrupt ? | 08:44 |
| mornfall | yeah | 08:44 |
| covox | talking about the hong kong launch, the kazakhstan store, india | 08:44 |
| stephg | gah | 08:44 |
| stephg | buffering | 08:44 |
| * entil officially gave up on the stream | 08:44 | |
| Sail0r | russia opening | 08:44 |
| SK_work | russia launch ? | 08:44 |
| mcfrisk | you can always spin the money into some bizz talk, "giving back to community" lol | 08:44 |
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| Armadillo | jolla.ru ;) | 08:45 |
| mornfall | hmm, russia... I'm wondering how non-controversial that is | 08:45 |
| SK_work | I guess it is to get it before Tizen goes there | 08:45 |
| SK_work | get the market | 08:45 |
| covox | they had 500 partnership negotiations, 300 probes from prospective resellers | 08:45 |
| Armadillo | are there any news to Tizen instead of phones being delyed? | 08:45 |
| meklu | we'll see what happens in NA | 08:45 |
| SK_work | Armadillo: watches | 08:46 |
| SK_work | and iirc there are new leaks about tizen phone | 08:46 |
| SK_work | ha, paypal ? | 08:46 |
| SK_work | indiegogo ? | 08:46 |
| Tegu | ssh | 08:46 |
| SK_work | hum | 08:46 |
| mornfall | yeah, well, tizen | 08:46 |
| Tegu | is that secure shell or some other ssh? | 08:46 |
| Nicd- | partnering with SSH :o | 08:46 |
| SK_work | :D | 08:46 |
| meklu | it's the official ssh | 08:46 |
| Nicd- | Tegu: it's SSH the company | 08:46 |
| Tegu | wow | 08:46 |
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| meklu | by the creator of it | 08:46 |
| SK_work | ah ? | 08:47 |
| _inte_ | hello | 08:47 |
| timoph | tizen? is that thing still around? | 08:47 |
| SK_work | rovio / here | 08:47 |
| SK_work | seen some interesting logos | 08:47 |
| _inte_ | i just read mitakuuluu can cause problems? | 08:47 |
| meklu | tizen's going on samsung's smart watches | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | Tegu: http://www.ssh.com/ | 08:47 |
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| _inte_ | how do they find out? | 08:47 |
| SK_work | he has a brown-back Jolla ? | 08:47 |
| SK_work | fun | 08:47 |
| covox | leather case | 08:47 |
| Venemo | sooo... something big is gonna happen in ~12 minutes | 08:47 |
| covox | I think you can buy them on the store now | 08:47 |
| meklu | by lastucase | 08:47 |
| entil | jolla partnering with ssh? | 08:47 |
| _inte_ | i better changed my status | 08:47 |
| Sail0r | He shouldn't forget to breath *g* | 08:47 |
| SK_work | :D | 08:47 |
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| Nicd- | entil: he said they have already partnered with SSH | 08:48 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 08:48 |
| lainwir3d | i read that too | 08:48 |
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| mcfrisk | what has SSH done in past 14 years? | 08:48 |
| entil | oh | 08:48 |
| SK_work | ha, this awesome picture | 08:48 |
| mcfrisk | losses.. | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | this is freaky | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | i just got a call from a client | 08:48 |
| Venemo | what? | 08:48 |
| TMavica_Jolla | any live stream can play in Jolla..? | 08:48 |
| tbr | ha, the international new yorks times | 08:48 |
| mornfall | mcfrisk: you are an optimist today huh | 08:48 |
| tbr | I dropped copies of that off at their office back then | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | and he tells me: hey, jolla is gonna release something in 15min | 08:48 |
| SK_work | TMavica_Jolla: http://www.slush.org/ this does | 08:49 |
| tbr | it was the day I was coming back from FOSDEM | 08:49 |
| AL13N_work | i had spoken to him about jolla a while back | 08:49 |
| Sail0r | great partner rovio oO | 08:49 |
| Tegu | rovio launcher | 08:49 |
| SK_work | stella launcher | 08:49 |
| Tegu | yea | 08:49 |
| mornfall | boring boring :P | 08:49 |
| SK_work | indeed | 08:49 |
| entil | lol it does not fucking work :< | 08:49 |
| Armadillo | yep | 08:49 |
| chr1stopher | hm actually he seems to be friendly | 08:49 |
| SK_work | well that's good to have some feedback on what they are doing :) | 08:49 |
| AL13N_work | is there some kind of streaming? | 08:49 |
| Tegu | 10 minutes | 08:49 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: http://www.slush.org/ | 08:49 |
| Tegu | "now I've got something else" | 08:49 |
| SK_work | ha | 08:49 |
| SK_work | nice vid | 08:49 |
| tbr | *drumroll* | 08:50 |
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| covox | promo video | 08:50 |
| entil | just spread the word here ;P | 08:50 |
| lainwir3d | heh | 08:50 |
| lainwir3d | and annoucement at the end ? | 08:50 |
| entil | did they partner with rovio? | 08:50 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: maybe | 08:50 |
| mornfall | and it's a..... | 08:50 |
| Nicd- | something new | 08:50 |
| SK_work | haha, Marc is her | 08:50 |
| lainwir3d | INCEPTION ! | 08:50 |
| Tegu | entil: they have been already | 08:50 |
| SK_work | walking | 08:50 |
| SK_work | :D | 08:50 |
| Mirv | w00 | 08:50 |
| SK_work | inception ! | 08:50 |
| Tegu | woop | 08:50 |
| Nicd- | tablet | 08:50 |
| Tegu | jolla tablet | 08:50 |
| SK_work | tablet | 08:50 |
| Sail0r | tablet | 08:50 |
| Mirv | tablet! | 08:50 |
| SK_work | :) | 08:50 |
| mornfall | as if we didn't know :P | 08:50 |
| meklu | told you so! | 08:50 |
| SK_work | so unexpected :D | 08:50 |
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| mcfrisk | well, remember when jolla announced partership with f-secure... what good did that do for jolla users. Not much. | 08:50 |
| tbr | heh | 08:50 |
| Armadillo | and I'm out :) | 08:50 |
| lpotter | I was really hoping for chocolate | 08:50 |
| lainwir3d | tablet ! | 08:50 |
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| Naranek | ha! Tuned in at the right second! | 08:50 |
| Nicd- | it's not reality yet | 08:50 |
| SK_work | me too, chocolate plz | 08:50 |
| tbr | 'just a dream'... | 08:50 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, video feed is black? is that also for you guys? | 08:51 |
| covox | seriously stream, now? of all times to cut out? | 08:51 |
| timoph | :( | 08:51 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: click on arrow | 08:51 |
| entil | the f-secure partnership was a travesty | 08:51 |
| AL13N_work | i did | 08:51 |
| SK_work | hum | 08:51 |
| lainwir3d | fucking awesome | 08:51 |
| SK_work | some interesting gestures | 08:51 |
| ortylp1 | so no Jolla2, only a tablet :( | 08:51 |
| TMavica_Jolla | cant play in jolla | 08:51 |
| AL13N_work | i just have black with a red SLUSH | 08:51 |
| SK_work | nao, specs ? | 08:51 |
| AL13N_work | i'ts on my FF | 08:51 |
| lainwir3d | 32GB + sdcard i read | 08:51 |
| _inte_ | how do you know i still have the timer running?? | 08:51 |
| Nicd- | ortylp1: we already knew jolla 2 was not going to happen yet | 08:51 |
| stephg | SK_work: ~8 inch | 08:51 |
| stephg | 32GB | 08:51 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: how did we knew ? | 08:51 |
| stephg | it said | 08:51 |
| mornfall | _inte_: slush.org | 08:51 |
| Tegu | "People power!" | 08:52 |
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| lainwir3d | lol | 08:52 |
| chr1stopher | so i need to return my nexus 9 now? ^^ | 08:52 |
| gabriel9 | wat | 08:52 |
| _inte_ | thx! | 08:52 |
| gabriel9 | tablet | 08:52 |
| gabriel9 | srsly :D | 08:52 |
| SK_work | http://jolla.com/tablets | 08:52 |
| Scelt | so kickstarter coming? | 08:52 |
| Mirv | chr1stopher: yes, sorry about that ;) | 08:52 |
| SK_work | page not found | 08:52 |
| SK_work | :D | 08:52 |
| AL13N_work | time is increasing, so it looks like it's straeming, but i got black only | 08:52 |
| SK_work | Scelt: indigogo maybe ? | 08:52 |
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| SK_work | there is a partnership with them | 08:52 |
| mornfall | tweets incoming :P | 08:52 |
| tbr | oh, a working prototype | 08:52 |
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| SK_work | familiar faces | 08:52 |
| timoph | yep | 08:52 |
| SK_work | damn, missed the Stskeeps | 08:52 |
| gabriel9 | on the homepage there is still 7 minutes | 08:52 |
| _inte_ | damned too late | 08:53 |
| mcfrisk | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet/ | 08:53 |
| till- | damn i just bought a samsung tablet :) | 08:53 |
| just4info_ | and it's a tablet.... | 08:53 |
| Mirv | jolla+ would have been good, cost optimized, other half compatibility, slightly better display + camera. but it would have taken too much effort for too little gain probably. | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: just think about it. it would have killed the sales of the current phone which are still not great, it would have killed the TOHKBD project and angered a lot of fans | 08:53 |
| Tegu | "all around me are familiar faces" is now playing in my head :D because of SK_work | 08:53 |
| chr1stopher | this "everbody get a hug" was strange ... | 08:53 |
| Tegu | :P | 08:53 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: what if a compatible one ? | 08:53 |
| stephg | right, off to work! | 08:53 |
| stephg | see you all later | 08:53 |
| SK_work | and new phone might boost sales | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: a compatible one would have had too little gain for too much work | 08:53 |
| mornfall | stephg: cya | 08:53 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: too little gain ? hum | 08:53 |
| SK_work | more ram, better (larger) screen for same size could be enough | 08:54 |
| Tegu | the countdown is still on the main jolla page | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | you can't really make the screen bigger with the same size | 08:54 |
| till- | http://jolla.com/tablet | 08:54 |
| Sail0r | well, they will reveal it at 10 on the page | 08:54 |
| Tofe | SK_work: remove the s | 08:54 |
| Tofe | arg, too late | 08:54 |
| Sail0r | what's the problem? | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | you can make it sharper, yes, and improve the hardware but it's not a huge thing | 08:54 |
| SK_work | so, sailfishos 2.0 ? | 08:54 |
| mornfall | oh | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | while getting manufacturing and logistics and marketing up for that is a huge thing | 08:55 |
| gabriel9 | how much will it cost? | 08:55 |
| _inte_ | so, how do the tohs fit to the tablet? | 08:55 |
| SK_work | ha, indigogo | 08:55 |
| Sail0r | so I won't buy it :-/ Do not need a table, damn I was so happy to buy smth new ^^ | 08:55 |
| Armadillo | may 2015 | 08:55 |
| tigeli | gabriel9: $189+20 | 08:55 |
| till- | it's not made yet | 08:55 |
| meklu | holy shit | 08:55 |
| meklu | $249 | 08:55 |
| Armadillo | with SailfishOS 2.0? | 08:55 |
| meklu | (post-campaign) | 08:55 |
| Armadillo | this sounds very optimistic to me | 08:55 |
| SK_work | intel | 08:55 |
| gexc | intel again | 08:56 |
| TMavica_Jolla | 2015 may..long time | 08:56 |
| pp_ | $1647 already collected :D | 08:56 |
| SK_work | tigeli: wait what ? | 08:56 |
| ortylp1 | Nicd-: for a tablet I need SailfishOS on my NotePro (13"), 8" is tiny for work, a bit too large for a smatphone in a pocket | 08:56 |
| Tegu | yea.. I'm probably not buying any tablet | 08:56 |
| mornfall | 8" cool | 08:56 |
| SK_work | sorry but wait | 08:56 |
| SK_work | too many coincidences | 08:56 |
| juergbi | does anyone know the exact intel chip? main thing i want to know is whether it's an intel GPU or powervr | 08:56 |
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| SK_work | intel platform | 08:56 |
| SK_work | same dpi | 08:56 |
| SK_work | as ... the N1 | 08:57 |
| Tegu | does sailfishos 2.0 run on the jolla phone? | 08:57 |
| mornfall | hm, $380k goal | 08:57 |
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| gexc | what is sailfishos 2.0 :-/ | 08:57 |
| pp_ | 64-bit 1.8GHz narrows it down a bit | 08:57 |
| mornfall | Tegu: it presumably will | 08:57 |
| Tegu | pp_: http://jolla.com/tablet "Be a part of making the world’s first truly" | 08:57 |
| Tofe | SK_work: android 5.0 compatibility ? ;) | 08:57 |
| Tegu | crowdsourced tablet, powered by Sailfish OS 2.0. | 08:57 |
| Tegu | blah paste | 08:57 |
| mornfall | "Sailfish OS 2.0 will power smartphones and tablets" | 08:57 |
| SK_work | moar ram plz ? | 08:57 |
| gexc | got plasma active? LOL | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | hehehe, the specs sound reeeallly close to the N1 | 08:58 |
| SK_work | isn't the N1 quadcore ? | 08:58 |
| ruskie | mmm flexible funding? | 08:58 |
| SK_work | like 2.something ghz ? | 08:58 |
| Teemu | now will it have hdmi? | 08:58 |
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| pp_ | Z2760 has SGX | 08:58 |
| SK_work | 2 gig ram | 08:58 |
| sledges | SK_work: dpi not same | 08:58 |
| gabriel9 | and n1 is also here | 08:58 |
| mornfall | it's actually gorgeous... dammit jolla | 08:58 |
| tigeli | SK_work: our is too quad-core | 08:58 |
| SK_work | hum | 08:58 |
| gabriel9 | what to chose :D | 08:58 |
| stephg | there was the android stuff again | 08:58 |
| mornfall | I don't need a tablet but apparently I want one :P | 08:58 |
| stephg | (in the video) | 08:58 |
| pp_ | hmn but 32-bit so no | 08:58 |
| tigeli | SK_work: and does not have proprietary gpu like n1 | 08:59 |
| stephg | meaning aliendalvik I guess | 08:59 |
| SK_work | tigeli: on jolla.com/tablet it is dualcore :P | 08:59 |
| stephg | maening arm I guess | 08:59 |
| SK_work | tigeli: really ? | 08:59 |
| SK_work | what is the GPU then ? | 08:59 |
| Sail0r | on indiegogo it's quadcore | 08:59 |
| SK_work | intel one ? | 08:59 |
| tigeli | SK_work: intel one | 08:59 |
| SK_work | haha | 08:59 |
| SK_work | I'm sold | 08:59 |
| SK_work | (basically) | 08:59 |
| Tegu | I really like the appearance, though. probably the neatest tablet I've seen so far | 08:59 |
| Nc_ | Is it me, or that a freakin' small battery for a 1.8GHz quad-core? | 08:59 |
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| Tofe | The indiegogo price is really good, imho | 08:59 |
| pp_ | Z3560 then, perhaps (again SGX :P ) | 08:59 |
| _inte_ | im curious what will happen when the timer reaches zero:) | 08:59 |
| gabriel9 | i hope screen will be better then jolla phone | 08:59 |
| gabriel9 | i have 2 burns | 08:59 |
| mornfall | also, the $189 is *without VAT* | 08:59 |
| gabriel9 | on both sides :( | 08:59 |
| SK_work | I do wonder if Jolla can make it | 09:00 |
| Tofe | mornfall: still | 09:00 |
| SK_work | 380k $ isn't small | 09:00 |
| _inte_ | oh | 09:00 |
| _inte_ | nothing | 09:00 |
| entil | You raised the campaign total to: $5,389! | 09:00 |
| covox | so they basically need 2000 preorders | 09:00 |
| AL13N_work | $189 is pretty cheap | 09:00 |
| tigeli | SK_work: my jolla.com/tablet says qualcore | 09:00 |
| AL13N_work | *quadcore | 09:00 |
| entil | kind of annoying that you got to add $20 for postage but the closest option is $25 | 09:00 |
| SK_work | tigeli: sorry mine too | 09:00 |
| SK_work | misread | 09:00 |
| SK_work | :D | 09:00 |
| Tofe | wow, from 2500$ to 5000$ in... 5 min | 09:00 |
| Blizzz | a tablet. georgous. -.- well, actually, could be nice for my boy, since gestures work awesomely great. especially for a 2yo. | 09:01 |
| Scelt | entil: there a perk for shippinh? | 09:01 |
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| AL13N_work | dan $189 is only 150€ | 09:01 |
| entil | Scelt: I just selected $25 at the payment info | 09:01 |
| Venemo | what the helllll | 09:01 |
| lainwir3d | no, website say quad-core | 09:01 |
| Venemo | quad core intel CPU? | 09:01 |
| AL13N_work | what kind of timing would it be ready? | 09:01 |
| lukedirtwalker | so taking the perk will just give you a discount or the full tablet? | 09:01 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 09:01 |
| SK_work | come on: Shipping Address Line Two can't be blank | 09:01 |
| SK_work | what if I have one shipping address line | 09:02 |
| SK_work | meh | 09:02 |
| Tegu | :D | 09:02 |
| ruskie | now... can I get that money at that point in time... | 09:02 |
| gabriel9 | write it two times :D | 09:02 |
| AL13N_work | so, if VAT is included and shipping, we're looking at ~200€ | 09:02 |
| AL13N_work | not bad | 09:02 |
| Venemo | oh, it is being crowdfunded? oh. | 09:02 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm delivery mai 2015 | 09:02 |
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| marinaio | Estimated delivery: May 2015 | 09:02 |
| marinaio | :| | 09:03 |
| lainwir3d | marinaio: beat you | 09:03 |
| AL13N_work | may is still soon enough for the holidays... | 09:03 |
| TMavica_Jolla | Half year.. | 09:03 |
| Tofe | lainwir3d: yes, it's the only big downside I see | 09:03 |
| Sail0r | do I have to pledge VAT now or in half year? | 09:03 |
| mornfall | Sail0r: later | 09:03 |
| SK_work | slap some more ram in it plz ? | 09:03 |
| Teemu | next summer you'll all stay mostly inside swiping across the new and shiny jolla tablet | 09:04 |
| mornfall | saltsa: (according to FAQ you pledge 20 bucks shipping and that's it) | 09:04 |
| Nc_ | SK_work, more ram is more parts-cost and battery-drain .. :/ | 09:04 |
| ccha2 | any idea about weight? | 09:04 |
| Tegu | ccha2: 384g | 09:04 |
| entil | so uhh why is my contribution listed at $189 and not including the extra $25? | 09:04 |
| mornfall | Nc_: true, but RAM is actually a fairly small problem compared to radios | 09:04 |
| * gexc is expecting more ram if it's intel | 09:05 | |
| SK_work | mornfall: radios ? on a tablet it could be ok | 09:05 |
| SK_work | SIM slot is welcomed but if there is none, it's not a problem | 09:05 |
| Sail0r | it sucks that it has no 3G or 4G | 09:05 |
| Nc_ | mornfall, true, but it all adds up | 09:05 |
| ccha2 | is there any TOH for tablet ? :) | 09:06 |
| Tegu | doesn't seem like there is :/ | 09:06 |
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| Tofe | frankly, at this subscription rate, they'll be ok in one day :D | 09:07 |
| TMavica_Jolla | any new toh for phone? | 09:07 |
| Nc_ | TOH-Tablet, easy - double-sided tape from your local hardware store, and a slap of wood | 09:07 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 09:07 |
| AL13N_work | so, if you get perk for the first 1000 do you also need to directly do the $20 shipping perk? | 09:07 |
| AL13N_work | i don't get that part | 09:07 |
| _inte_ | so its virtually the same device as the N1 but in a different case? | 09:07 |
| covox | entil: you have to add an "extra gift" of 20bux | 09:07 |
| Tegu | oki, it has nearly doubled after my last F5 press | 09:08 |
| ortylp1 | 64bit CPU??? well then 8GB RAM is a reasonable minimum | 09:08 |
| SK_work | _inte_: isn't it a bit less | 09:08 |
| SK_work | slightly ? | 09:08 |
| Venemo | _inte_: N1=? | 09:08 |
| covox | You raised the campaign total to: $17,391! | 09:08 |
| Teemu | that's fast | 09:08 |
| gexc | could this be called a tablet pc? | 09:08 |
| entil | covox: there was a button for extra, right? hit that for $25 | 09:08 |
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| mornfall | entil: there's also custom | 09:08 |
| covox | yus | 09:08 |
| gexc | desktop apps, hmm | 09:08 |
| ruskie | now where are my indiegogo credentials... | 09:09 |
| Sail0r | doesn | 09:09 |
| Sail0r | doesn't it even have bt? | 09:09 |
| * gexc still wants a stylus though... | 09:09 | |
| ruskie | rofl 22k | 09:09 |
| Tegu | 100 out of 1000 claimed | 09:09 |
| SK_work | gexc: would love to (cross) compile some nice desktop apps on this beauty | 09:09 |
| mornfall | yeah, that was me | 09:09 |
| ruskie | and it's been what 10 minutes? | 09:09 |
| mornfall | :P | 09:09 |
| AL13N_work | hmm 22k now | 09:09 |
| Teemu | gexc: lets hope for tru wacom pen integration for the next jolla tablet | 09:09 |
| Tegu | 23k | 09:09 |
| AL13N_work | damnit, i can't pay now | 09:09 |
| AL13N_work | i'm at work | 09:09 |
| gexc | wacom, yeah | 09:10 |
| Teemu | not just a normal capacitive pen shit but the real thing they use for the drawing slate tablets | 09:10 |
| mornfall | already 10 people forgot shipping :D | 09:10 |
| ruskie | searching throghu mail archive for indigogo creds myself hehe | 09:10 |
| SK_work | 1000 * 189 + 1000 * 199 + 2000 * 20 = ~328k, not enough to reach goal :( | 09:10 |
| mornfall | I don't know what I'm going to do with a tablet though | 09:10 |
| Teemu | wacom also sells a capacitive display pen but it's not a real wacom (well, commercially it is) | 09:10 |
| mornfall | SK_work: the goal is not mandatory | 09:10 |
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| Sail0r | ah in the mail I got from jolla there are more technical details | 09:11 |
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| mornfall | SK_work: “flexible funding” | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | about the tablets | 09:11 |
| Teemu | Sail0r: hdmi? | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | WiFi | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | 09:11 | |
| Sail0r | 802.11 a/b/g/n dual-band | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | Bluetooth | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | 09:11 | |
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| Sail0r | Class 4.0 | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | GPS | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | 09:11 | |
| Sail0r | Yes, support Glonass | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | oh sry | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | nope no hdmi Teemu | 09:11 |
| Armadillo | look at jolla.com/tablet | 09:11 |
| ruskie | but why only 21 days... go for 30 days... | 09:11 |
| SK_work | mornfall: goal not mandatory, so not like KS ? | 09:11 |
| lainwir3d | SK_work: you got something wrong i think | 09:11 |
| SK_work | ruskie: maybe it already run silently for 9 days :) | 09:11 |
| ruskie | This campaign started on Nov 19 | 09:12 |
| mornfall | I'm wondering how much Intel is subsidizing this one... :-) | 09:12 |
| lainwir3d | 1000 * 189 + 1000 * 199 = 388k | 09:12 |
| pp_ | must keep the guys in tampere employe :-) | 09:12 |
| tadzik | it still looks like chocolate | 09:12 |
| lainwir3d | +2000*20=428k | 09:12 |
| lainwir3d | it's enough | 09:12 |
| AL13N_work | i think people donating 209$ seem to not have the first 1000 perk... | 09:13 |
| AL13N_work | not sure | 09:13 |
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| entil | ok, it seems that my $25 was somehow lost in transit | 09:13 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: I got something wrong | 09:13 |
| SK_work | indeed | 09:13 |
| SK_work | they added the N1 as a comparison :D | 09:13 |
| SK_work | something nice is that this will benefit Sailfish on Android, as it will work on tablets too | 09:14 |
| _inte_ | was there a special invitation for the first sailors or why is it rising that fast? | 09:14 |
| AL13N_work | why do 9 people do the 199$ thing? | 09:14 |
| entil | out of charity, I guess | 09:14 |
| pp_ | they want to give their money! | 09:14 |
| AL13N_work | ok then | 09:14 |
| tadzik | why wouldn't they | 09:14 |
| SK_work | sadly, not much battery :( | 09:14 |
| Tegu | yea. the battery seems to be smallish | 09:15 |
| lainwir3d | true | 09:15 |
| till- | so what happens if I just want to help jolla but don't really need to buy a tablet now, can I just send some money and then what? is it donated and "gone" or will get a voucher on the tablet? | 09:15 |
| lainwir3d | but well... i contributed | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work | SK_work: at least the native apps don't take much battery, so it might not be that bad | 09:15 |
| tadzik | doesn't $199 give you the device? | 09:15 |
| Tegu | also suddenly 2 more intel tablets? what happened to ARM? | 09:15 |
| Azog | what battery live could one expect? | 09:15 |
| entil | till-: yeah | 09:15 |
| lainwir3d | I don't even use the tablet I already have, but this is interesting nontheless | 09:15 |
| entil | till-: it's "gone" unless you select a tablet | 09:15 |
| Tegu | (not that I have anything agains it, but aren't most tablets ARM?) | 09:15 |
| tadzik | not anymore they aren't, heh | 09:16 |
| till- | entil: do I have to choose now? :) | 09:16 |
| Venemo | SK_work: what is N1? | 09:16 |
| meklu | Tegu: subsidized chipsets? | 09:16 |
| JvD_ | just ordered my tablet | 09:16 |
| covox | I am curious about this intel chip which has suddenly become very cheap for people to use | 09:16 |
| mornfall | ok, 10 % in 15 minutes not bad :-) | 09:16 |
| ar | i just fail to understand one thing: everyone wants a phone with a keyboard but jolla makes a tablet | 09:16 |
| meklu | intel might be sponsoring their use | 09:16 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: the new nokia tablet (yesterday) | 09:16 |
| SK_work | Venemo: Nokia's tablet | 09:16 |
| Venemo | ah | 09:16 |
| tadzik | hah, the sailfish tablet will have settings in notification view | 09:16 |
| mornfall | yes, intel is undercutting prices on CPUs | 09:16 |
| ar | covox: there are chinese el-cheapo tablets using the chip that cost ~$150 | 09:16 |
| tadzik | itshappening.gif | 09:16 |
| mornfall | well, SoCs really | 09:16 |
| SK_work | see the comparison chart on https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet | 09:16 |
| SK_work | tadzik: no more patch for this ? :) | 09:17 |
| fennekki | ah, come on | 09:17 |
| ar | covox: so i guess the ~$200 Jolla's asking is quite realistic | 09:17 |
| tadzik | SK_work: doesn't work on optin (for me) | 09:17 |
| tadzik | won't apply | 09:17 |
| Armadillo | 50k | 09:18 |
| Nc_ | ar, you have no idea - Every major phone-retailer reports that customers want/ask for physical keyboards, but the companies try to avoid making them due to higher production costs and higher return-rates | 09:18 |
| Tegu | 50k breached | 09:18 |
| _inte_ | when is the nokia tablet for sale, btw? | 09:18 |
| lainwir3d | "Carol Chen, 1minute ago" | 09:18 |
| tadzik | the fact that it has twice as beefy a CPU as the rest of the chart, but much smaller battery is a bit worrying | 09:18 |
| Venemo | awww, that battery :( | 09:18 |
| Tegu | may 2015 | 09:18 |
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| lainwir3d | isn't she working for Jolla ?:P | 09:18 |
| ruskie | and contribtude | 09:18 |
| ruskie | $49,862! | 09:18 |
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| _inte_ | Tegu this is for the jolla I heard | 09:18 |
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| Tegu | _inte_: oh.. should have read more carefully | 09:18 |
| Tegu | _inte_: the nokia tablet was Q1 2015 IIRC | 09:19 |
| AL13N_work | already past $50k | 09:19 |
| AL13N_work | way past | 09:19 |
| Armadillo | 10:16:40» <tadzik> hah, the sailfish tablet will have settings in notification view <-- that would also be a great enhancement for the phone's software | 09:19 |
| _inte_ | Tegu ah so probably around the same time | 09:19 |
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| tadzik | Armadillo: yep | 09:19 |
| tadzik | I'm not really interested in a tablet, but I'd like this feature alone :P | 09:19 |
| meklu | lainwir3d: yup, she's right here -> cybette | 09:19 |
| _inte_ | And if the Nokia is $250 in china it will certainly be €250 in europe | 09:19 |
| Tegu | or was it only in china? (nokia tablet) | 09:19 |
| covox | $55K | 09:19 |
| _inte_ | therefore the jolla price seems quite reasonable | 09:19 |
| Tegu | at first | 09:20 |
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| kwork | failtrain | 09:20 |
| kwork | its an tblet :( | 09:20 |
| ruskie | and there we go... am broke for the month hehe | 09:20 |
| Armadillo | tadzik let's hope Jolla doesn't do something like Google With Android 3.X :D | 09:21 |
| tadzik | 3 typos in 3 words :P | 09:21 |
| * just4info_ is quite disappointed of the tablet =/ | 09:21 | |
| ruskie | not me hehe | 09:21 |
| ruskie | very very happy | 09:21 |
| mornfall | $60k | 09:21 |
| kwork | would have loved to see new hw revision of jolla | 09:21 |
| tadzik | Armadillo: no idea what google did, I'm happily oblivious of android :P | 09:21 |
| kwork | but i guess its time to get an android | 09:21 |
| SK_work | +1 | 09:21 |
| SK_work | well -1 for an android | 09:21 |
| SK_work | my jolla works | 09:21 |
| _inte_ | oh, the nokia has a faste cpu | 09:21 |
| SK_work | but +1 for new revision | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | oh no, it wasn't a spare battery! | 09:21 |
| Venemo | just4info_, kwork what is wrong with the tablet? | 09:21 |
| tadzik | :( | 09:21 |
| _inte_ | so wouldnt it be a good idea to rather get the nokia and install sailfishos on it? | 09:22 |
| Armadillo | venemo it's a tablet :D | 09:22 |
| kwork | Venemo: nothing per se, was just looking for new phone, would have loved to get jolla | 09:22 |
| Venemo | Armadillo: so? | 09:22 |
| chr1stopher | kwork: same here | 09:22 |
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| Sailor1234 | Hey sailors, is there only 2000 tablets available for this campaign ? fixed number in indiegogo as far as I can see | 09:22 |
| Armadillo | Venemo just kidding, personally don't have a usage scenario for a tablet ;) | 09:22 |
| Venemo | _inte_: you are assuming nokia will have an open boot loader? | 09:22 |
| Teemu | kwork: you can get a jolla phone | 09:22 |
| kwork | Teemu: shitty spec for 2014 | 09:22 |
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| just4info_ | Venemo, no real digitizer, nothing "geeky" like a USB hub... | 09:23 |
| _inte_ | Venemo: read that elsewhere | 09:23 |
| Teemu | if you want a tablet with sailfishos, get a jolla tablet instead of nokia | 09:23 |
| Venemo | jolla was never about specs... | 09:23 |
| _inte_ | and since Nokia is not Microsoft anymore it is probably quite reasonable to assume | 09:23 |
| entil | who cares about the "shitty spec" :D | 09:23 |
| mornfall | it has one big problem :) the jolla phone screen will look crappy in comparison :P | 09:23 |
| entil | the phone is fast | 09:23 |
| tadzik | specs are bullshit | 09:23 |
| chr1stopher | why do people donate for the more expensive perk ... dont get it | 09:23 |
| Venemo | chr1stopher: because they want to show their support? | 09:23 |
| mornfall | chr1stopher: because they can afford it | 09:23 |
| tadzik | chr1stopher: they may have thrown in much more than $199 | 09:23 |
| Teemu | kwork: really, the specs don't matter that much as jolla apps aren't java | 09:24 |
| mornfall | chr1stopher: so they don't tie up slots for people who can't | 09:24 |
| chr1stopher | people are too nice ... | 09:24 |
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| chr1stopher | these finish guys ... amazing ^^ | 09:24 |
| Tegu | chr1stopher: then you could ask as well "why do people donate for the $10 perk" | 09:24 |
| chr1stopher | hm yeah true ... | 09:24 |
| kwork | Teemu: i want to run android apps | 09:24 |
| lbt | you can | 09:24 |
| chr1stopher | saw one giving 280$ | 09:24 |
| just4info_ | Venemo, i'd have much more hoped that IF they worked on a project like that, that they would have focused on convertibles, by combining a full desktop linux with the advantages of sailfish | 09:24 |
| covox | kwork: alien dalvik is pretty good | 09:24 |
| wmarone | urgh, why indiegogo | 09:25 |
| chr1stopher | anyone here using spotify on his jolla? | 09:25 |
| tadzik | I think what kwork means is "android apps are shitty so you need beefy specs" | 09:25 |
| kwork | tadzik: exactly | 09:25 |
| AL13N_work | java is resource intensive and slow | 09:25 |
| kwork | thats why jolla wont work for me with current spec | 09:25 |
| mornfall | just4info_: actually, phones with keyboards are probably a better deal than tablets with keyboards | 09:25 |
| ar | % echo $((189*1000+199*1000)) | 09:25 |
| ar | 388000 | 09:25 |
| kwork | nothing against jolla per se, would love to one own | 09:25 |
| Teemu | wmarone: most likely because kickstarter won't allow companies from finland in | 09:25 |
| AL13N_work | that's why jolla native apps are much faster | 09:25 |
| mornfall | tablets with keyboards actually suck :| | 09:25 |
| kwork | mornfall: surface RT rocks | 09:25 |
| tadzik | you mean laptops? :P | 09:25 |
| Teemu | they'd need a bulvan in usa or commonwealth | 09:25 |
| kwork | mornfall: or surface pro | 09:26 |
| lukedirtwalker | chr1stopher: I use CuteSpotify :P | 09:26 |
| mornfall | tadzik: no, I mean tablets with keyboards | 09:26 |
| AL13N_work | wife was thinking of a tablet for during the holidays, for the kids to do something when in the car... | 09:26 |
| chr1stopher | lukedirtwalker: read about it. running fine? | 09:26 |
| lainwir3d | I don't like touch keyboards on phones because the screen is too small | 09:26 |
| just4info_ | mornfall, depends on which you focus, if it's more a laptop then a keyboard it's awesome for work | 09:26 |
| lainwir3d | but I guess it's alright on a tablet | 09:26 |
| tadzik | the difference being detachability? | 09:26 |
| wmarone | Teemu: fair enough. Then I'd have to ask why flex-funding - but that jolla would have to answer | 09:26 |
| just4info_ | mornfall, *tablet | 09:26 |
| lainwir3d | especially with a good resolution | 09:26 |
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| mornfall | just4info_: dunno, I'll probably always prefer a solid-hinged small laptop over convertibles | 09:26 |
| mornfall | just4info_: (to the degree of rather carrying both a laptop and a tablet) | 09:27 |
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| just4info_ | mornfall, i'm quite satisfied with the thinkpad yoga for example, just the right OS for it is missing yet (since i don't want to stick with MS) | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | the only reason for the crowdsourcing is really the hyping effect it has, i think | 09:27 |
| Teemu | a tablet on its own stand next to a bluetooth keybored would work for me | 09:27 |
| Teemu | or a chorded keybored | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | and the direct visibility | 09:27 |
| Teemu | AL13N_work: most likely yes | 09:27 |
| lukedirtwalker | chr1stopher: Yes, sometimes crashes but otherwise fine, though it doesn't support managing Playlists (it can just read/play) | 09:27 |
| SK_work | wait what 86k$ already ? | 09:27 |
| _inte_ | The only thing i need to know is if this device has hdmi-out and usb-in to use it as a full featured desktop replacement (since it has intelcpu) | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | since (199 + 189) * 1000 == 388k | 09:27 |
| mornfall | yeah, it'll be 25 % soon | 09:28 |
| lukedirtwalker | chr1stopher: Actually I'm its current maintainer :P | 09:28 |
| AL13N_work | i think by tonight, when i can pay for it, i won't be in the first 1000 :-( | 09:28 |
| iamtew | good morning | 09:28 |
| chr1stopher | lukedirtwalker: ah cool ^^ and you are working for spotify? or just a hobby project? only reading playlists and listen them would be fine | 09:28 |
| xkr47 | at current rate, it will be over in 2½ hours :) | 09:28 |
| mornfall | AL13N_work: you can't get to paypal? | 09:28 |
| AL13N_work | no paypal and no credit card | 09:28 |
| _inte_ | so, more than 400 backers | 09:29 |
| _inte_ | do they invite the first 400 to finland again? | 09:29 |
| mornfall | we are already hyped from tohkbd | 09:29 |
| xkr47 | it counts the shipping perk as separate backers? | 09:29 |
| entil | wonder if they let you know how manyeth you were in contributing | 09:29 |
| lukedirtwalker | chr1stopher: no the project is independent of spotify, its a hobby project | 09:30 |
| Kiranos_ | hm is the tablet crowdfunded? | 09:30 |
| tadzik | yes | 09:30 |
| lukedirtwalker | chr1stopher: https://openrepos.net/content/lukedirtwalker/cutespotify | 09:30 |
| _inte_ | yeah 100000 | 09:30 |
| xkr47 | mornfall, I guess the tablet doesn't have an "other half" :) | 09:30 |
| mornfall | $100k | 09:30 |
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| mornfall | xkr47: nope :-) | 09:30 |
| tadzik | yet :P | 09:30 |
| _inte_ | does it have nfc or usbhost? | 09:31 |
| mornfall | someone already suggested double-sided tape | 09:31 |
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| lukedirtwalker | that funding escalated quickly :D | 09:31 |
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| tadzik | or play-doh | 09:31 |
| tadzik | or maybe magnetoh | 09:31 |
| RaYmAn | hm, one thing almost all crowdfunding projects forget to mention is what country they'll ship from. Same with Jolla apparently. | 09:31 |
| ln- | i thought i added $20 extra, but it's not showing anywhere... oh well, i guess there will be some way to resolve this before the product ships. | 09:31 |
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| mornfall | RaYmAn: payment goes to Jolla Asia | 09:31 |
| _inte_ | usb-host would be mandatory to use gpg-smartcards | 09:31 |
| entil | ln-: I think I have a similar situation, but I emailed igg about it | 09:31 |
| SK_work_ | RaYmAn: it is mentionned | 09:31 |
| _inte_ | or yubikey | 09:31 |
| iamtew | the campaign is going pretty good | 09:32 |
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| _inte_ | or at least, nfc for yubikey | 09:32 |
| iamtew | I bet the Jolla guys are real happy this morning | 09:32 |
| wmarone | alright, I'm in | 09:32 |
| entil | ln-: to be fair I did hit back once during the payment so the site may have lost my extra, and my mastercard was charged for about 154e, and with a contribution accounted for it should be more | 09:32 |
| RaYmAn | SK_work_: oh, where? I can't find it anywhere on the indiegogo page. | 09:32 |
| chr1stopher | lukedirtwalker: and spotify got a api that everyone could use to listen to songs? | 09:32 |
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| Teemu | can the nfc system on sailfish work with desfire nfc systems? | 09:33 |
| chr1stopher | lukedirtwalker: of course with the necessity of an account | 09:33 |
| SK_work_ | RaYmAn: on perk | 09:33 |
| Acce | from 20 -> 490 in 20 minutes and growing.. They should be happy :) | 09:33 |
| xkr47 | the speed is not slowing down yet | 09:33 |
| mornfall | 30 % | 09:33 |
| covox | I like how most of the comments are "I don't really need a tablet but you guys are pretty rad, have my money" | 09:33 |
| RaYmAn | SK_work_: it just lists available regions. it doesn't specify whether they are shipping all of them from china or not... | 09:33 |
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| lukedirtwalker | chr1stopher: you need premium account yes: https://developer.spotify.com/technologies/libspotify/ | 09:34 |
| mornfall | covox: yeah, same here :-) | 09:34 |
| meklu | entil: there's a separate shipping perk too :) | 09:34 |
| entil | meklu: yes | 09:34 |
| leinir | mornfall: did you ever try a yoga? the hinge on those things is as solid as any laptop i've ever tried :) | 09:34 |
| mornfall | covox: I don't really need a tablet either but I already pledged :D | 09:34 |
| SK_work_ | ha | 09:34 |
| leinir | (yay im laet! ;) ) | 09:34 |
| entil | if igg tells me I fucked up by not double-checking the site after hitting back I'll buy the shipping perk | 09:34 |
| SK_work_ | RaYmAn: you want from region | 09:34 |
| meklu | you can view it in your backing history | 09:34 |
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| meklu | it'll show the sum you contributed | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | ok, i'm in | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | crappy that it's in usd | 09:35 |
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| AL13N_work | wtf, already 1/3rd of the goal | 09:35 |
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| ccha2 | I don't understand 189$ is the price ? or with that you can only have a discount | 09:36 |
| Sidde | feels like it's accelerating too | 09:36 |
| chr1stopher | lukedirtwalker: your app looks great. so one reason less to not get a jolla ^^ now i need to find a google maps replacement ;D | 09:36 |
| mornfall | leinir: not really... is it the one that flips all the way in tablet mode? | 09:36 |
| ccha2 | and no one know what is the final price | 09:36 |
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| mornfall | leinir: isn't the exposed keyboard super-awkward? | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | WHOA 130k already | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | did not expect that | 09:36 |
| _inte_ | ccha2: 189 plus shipping | 09:37 |
| leinir | mornfall: yeah, it's the one that looks like you just snapped your laptop's hinge when you do it ;) | 09:37 |
| Acce | I don't understand why some take the early sailors thing which costs more :) | 09:37 |
| covox | there's a lot of exactly $189 pledges | 09:37 |
| covox | wonder what % of people so far remembered the $20 shipping | 09:37 |
| ruskie | hehe | 09:37 |
| entil | a friend honestly did not | 09:37 |
| Venemo | Acce: maybe becuase they want to show their support | 09:37 |
| AL13N_work | webpage says the unit will be $249 afterwards | 09:37 |
| Teemu | is the thinkpad yoga 2 a convertable that will have its keybored always on but just in different position? | 09:37 |
| leinir | mornfall: that's what i worried too, but no, not at all - i kind of like it, it lends it a sort of nice, soft feel on the back... kind of squishy, and just really pleasant to hold :) | 09:37 |
| _inte_ | covox: so those who forgot wont get the device at all? | 09:37 |
| Acce | Venemo: could be, but you can also give extra.. oh well | 09:37 |
| _inte_ | or will shipping be charged when shipping? | 09:38 |
| covox | _inte_: they'll probably just post a reminder to give extra :P | 09:38 |
| tbr | Teemu: the yoga 2 pro that I had, had sensors that would disable the keyboard depending on position | 09:38 |
| Teemu | i'd rather have a tablet with detachable keybored | 09:38 |
| covox | campaign does have 29 days left | 09:38 |
| mornfall | leinir: interesting :) maybe when I'm rich I'll get one of those :-)) | 09:38 |
| leinir | Teemu: Thinkpad Yoga, there's no Thinkpad Yoga 2 yet (there's a Thinkpad Yoga 14, but that's not really a 2, just slightly bigger) | 09:38 |
| pp_ | well, most people will have to pay VAT later anyway | 09:38 |
| covox | 21 rather | 09:38 |
| Teemu | ah k | 09:38 |
| Tofe | I think the price is right (given we have to wait 6 months), and explain the current success | 09:38 |
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| lbt | the problem with the pricing wordin is that when we proof-read it we knew what it was supposed to mean :D | 09:38 |
| pp_ | I'd guess they should have just told people to pay shipping later or whatnot | 09:38 |
| GreatEmerald | A tablet eh. Interesting that it's Intel-based. Kind of odd that the highlight is Android app support, and not Linux app suport, though | 09:39 |
| _inte_ | So, can anybody confirm if this thing has/doesn't have USB-Host (or NFC)? | 09:39 |
| roboro | Teemu: presumably the usb could be used to attach a keyboard if you want it | 09:39 |
| faenil | I also wonder how many people read that the price does NOT include VAT | 09:39 |
| lbt | "Please add $20 for shipping" | 09:39 |
| just4info_ | Teemu, i think the HP spectre is a tablet with a detachable keyboard | 09:39 |
| ln- | there is a $20 item for those who forgot to add it. | 09:39 |
| lbt | faenil: yes - we made sure that was added too | 09:39 |
| tbr | GreatEmerald: intel mobile SoCs have a negative (sic!) price | 09:39 |
| ln- | or those who added it and it did not register ... | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | you have to "gift" $20 | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | and then they'll charge vat on top of that | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | gg | 09:39 |
| Teemu | roboro: bt as well for the jolla, i was mostly speaking about the stinkpad tablets :) | 09:39 |
| faenil | lbt: sure, I read it from indiegogo page, but I guess most of the people didn't | 09:39 |
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| lbt | ln-: yep - we worried that people would miss it | 09:39 |
| Teemu | or somethings called convertables | 09:39 |
| RaYmAn | I suspect one of the issues is also that indiegogo resets your "extra"/gift value if it complains at you for forgetting some part of e.g. the address | 09:39 |
| kwork | GreatEmerald: nobody knows about linux apps, whole different story with android apps | 09:39 |
| _inte_ | Maybe they will invite those to finland to pick their device up | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | it won't be long and they'll have to update and add a "Jolla Tablet for SOON(TM) Sailors" for another 1000 or so | 09:39 |
| _inte_ | no shipping then :) | 09:40 |
| lbt | indiegogo is apparently not totally flexible at the "shop" side | 09:40 |
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| ln- | ggabriel: i did add a $20 gift and it just disappeared. | 09:40 |
| lbt | limited region control too - so clever VAT stuff not possible | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | ln-: strange, mine went well | 09:40 |
| GreatEmerald | kwork: There are way more and better Linux apps on x86 than Android ones | 09:40 |
| sharpneli | Jolla tablet has 32G of ROM. I don't know. I'd kinda wish to write to the internal memory >8D | 09:40 |
| nadriel | Jolla tablet. | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | you can always buy the $20 option anyway | 09:40 |
| kwork | GreatEmerald: go ask your wife/gf about linux apps and android apps | 09:40 |
| lbt | ggabriel: +1 | 09:40 |
| kwork | GreatEmerald: see what she can name more | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | it's def not the best tablet in the world ever | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | but hey | 09:40 |
| lukedirtwalker | hehe estimates when the goal is reached? at this rate very SOON :D | 09:41 |
| sqozz | does the tablet gets shipped from finland or from hong kong? | 09:41 |
| ruskie | 40% yay | 09:41 |
| mornfall | leinir: (it's like €1300 in a configuration that could replace a laptop) | 09:41 |
| AL13N_work | well, the rate will slow down soon enough | 09:41 |
| Milo- | sqozz I'm guessing hong kong | 09:41 |
| GreatEmerald | kwork: I get the whole publicity thing, but it's a bit of a wasted opportunity to not say "Android AND Linux app support!" | 09:41 |
| Acce | I guess they will ship it from their local distributors? | 09:41 |
| nadriel | Keep it clean, keep it hackable, add connectivity for USB etc expansion, stay sexy oh and keep on going and you will have my money. | 09:41 |
| kwork | GreatEmerald: sure | 09:41 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: the problem is there is no XServer on SailfishOS yet | 09:41 |
| ruskie | ggabriel, it's probably one of the most beautiful looking ones though | 09:41 |
| leinir | mornfall: yeah, they're a touch pricey... seriously nice piece of kit, though :) | 09:41 |
| Teemu | GreatEmerald: except that's not all linux apps, only the qt apps that are easy to convert | 09:41 |
| Venemo | you never knoe | 09:42 |
| Teemu | and they need a bit of work too | 09:42 |
| sqozz | hope they shipping it from finland because of the VAT :/ | 09:42 |
| covox | _inte_: you mean the main killer advantage :P | 09:42 |
| _inte_ | and apart from sailfishos no other distro is using wayland | 09:42 |
| Venemo | maybe you can ask them to add XWayland | 09:42 |
| mornfall | leinir: there's also a slight problem with software -- basically I suspect I want to run a completely different UI on a laptop than I want on a tablet | 09:42 |
| Venemo | _inte_: the correct thing to say is not yet | 09:42 |
| AL13N_work | there's a clear discreptancy... it looks like some people donated $209 without having the tablet perk... 600 / 2000 tablets, but still already > 40% done | 09:42 |
| _inte_ | it it in the works eventually? | 09:42 |
| GreatEmerald | Well, looking at Rebecca Black, it doesn't seem that bad already | 09:42 |
| _inte_ | i heard the compositor is not supporting it | 09:42 |
| mornfall | $160k | 09:43 |
| leinir | mornfall: true, true... i kind of hope to be able to get to help make Plasma work well on convertibles, but... we'll have to wait and see what happens there :) | 09:43 |
| GreatEmerald | And next year we should have KWin on Wayland, with KDE apps being tested on Wayland too | 09:43 |
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| Teemu | and a file manager that's also a web browser, calendar app and your basic spreadsheet and code ide | 09:44 |
| mornfall | leinir: flipping to a fullscreen browser (with some chrome apps or some nonsense like that) could work in the interim, but yeah | 09:44 |
| covox | plus nvidia have agreed to pull their finger out and make a vanilla EGL backend for their driver | 09:44 |
| mornfall | leinir: when I have a keyboard I want a keyboard-based interface | 09:44 |
| covox | I think AMD made a similar vaguer commitment | 09:44 |
| Aciid | > Open-sources SDK | 09:44 |
| Aciid | > presents OS as "proudly opensource" | 09:44 |
| Aciid | > 2014 | 09:45 |
| ruskie | 45% faf | 09:45 |
| leinir | mornfall: that's the thing... i've been doing convertible app things for the last two years or thereabouts, and i really think it'd be possible to do that with plasma as well :) | 09:45 |
| ruskie | yay | 09:45 |
| AL13N_work | looking at # of perks and total money, there's a 16k discreptancy | 09:45 |
| Aciid | until you like it | 09:45 |
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| _inte_ | However, I guess that at least the KDE Apps will run since they are Qt5 | 09:45 |
| meklu | I think both vendors already had EGL for X11 | 09:45 |
| meklu | (at least AMD) | 09:46 |
| _inte_ | Dont know if there is an openoffice port for qt yet | 09:46 |
| _inte_ | or libreoffice | 09:46 |
| _inte_ | but koffice is just fine | 09:46 |
| _inte_ | or whatever it is called nowadays | 09:46 |
| leinir | calligra :) | 09:46 |
| GreatEmerald | _inte_: Pretty sure there isn't, LO is kind of stuck with its own solution that's neither here not there... | 09:46 |
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| Sidde | but with a tablet os. isn't media a big thing? sailfish and the browser is for example very limited in that area today | 09:46 |
| Teemu | how come they have so many names? | 09:46 |
| Sidde | but hope it will get better now | 09:46 |
| Teemu | i mean the *office folks | 09:46 |
| GreatEmerald | But yes, Calligra is made for tablets in the first place | 09:46 |
| Nicd- | Teemu: openoffice != libreoffice | 09:46 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: Ah, right, Calligra | 09:47 |
| meklu | Nicd-: which openoffice? ;) | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | Teemu: libreoffice forked out of openoffice a few years ago and is now the main focus of development | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | meklu: apache openoffice which is openoffice.org | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | what time did the announcement happen btw? | 09:47 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: yeah and there used to be a nice kmail/kontact port for plasma touch as well | 09:47 |
| _inte_ | but still | 09:47 |
| leinir | GreatEmerald: well, it /also/ does tablets and things... but yes, the split between UI and canvas logic is really what makes Calligra shine :) | 09:47 |
| AL13N_work | well, at least with an intel tablet, there's no problems with drivers and old kernel | 09:47 |
| _inte_ | does the tablet support usbhost? | 09:47 |
| GreatEmerald | _inte_: Plasma Active* :P | 09:48 |
| covox | ggabriel: about an hour ago | 09:48 |
| Sidde | ggabriel: almost an hour ago. Maybe 55 minutes ago | 09:48 |
| _inte_ | please... | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | covox: Sidde ta | 09:48 |
| AL13N_work | this means we can has btrfs send/receive nicely | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | _inte_: it has USB OTG | 09:48 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: ah well, yes :) | 09:48 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: Ah great! | 09:48 |
| covox | 50% | 09:48 |
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| _inte_ | Nicd-: So I could finanlly utilize my yubikey...! | 09:48 |
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| mornfall | on the other hand, geek pulse made $1.5M so... that's ... uh :-) | 09:48 |
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| _inte_ | Nicd-: thx:) | 09:49 |
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| ruskie | and 50% hit I'd say | 09:49 |
| meklu | what on earth is 'geek pulse'? | 09:49 |
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| ggabriel | interesting how much money ubuntu needed vs jolla | 09:49 |
| GreatEmerald | I played around a bit with Plasma Active on my x86 tablet. It's pretty cool. Too bad my tablet can't run Linux well enough due to nonexistent monitor drivers | 09:49 |
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| mornfall | I don't see how jolla is not on indiegogo trending though... | 09:49 |
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| AL13N_work | so 50% in a little more than 1 hour | 09:50 |
| mornfall | are there seriously 9 projects that are progressing faster? | 09:50 |
| mornfall | 12 even | 09:50 |
| kwork | :D | 09:50 |
| GreatEmerald | mornfall: Maybe it's not updated fast enough? :) | 09:50 |
| Tofe | Nearly all the 189$ tablets are out | 09:50 |
| kwork | mornfall: maybe its progressing too fast and is consireded scam | 09:50 |
| chr1stopher | are there still going 100€ jolla discount codes around? | 09:50 |
| mornfall | chr1stopher: don't think they are valid anymore | 09:50 |
| CraigA | awww | 09:50 |
| CraigA | if the tablet shipped to Canada I'd definitely buy it | 09:50 |
| pp_ | they worked a few days after the official period at least | 09:51 |
| just4info_ | GreatEmerald, is there a way to switch between plasma active and kde during runtime? | 09:51 |
| CraigA | i'm not going through the same hoopjumping act I did to get my first one | 09:51 |
| CraigA | phone that is | 09:51 |
| pp_ | Do try WH-0D-JK :D | 09:51 |
| _inte_ | Im curious if they will reach their goal before the end of the campaign | 09:51 |
| GreatEmerald | just4info_: I haven't tried it, but that's the whole idea behind Plasma, so it should be posible | 09:51 |
| Frye | I'm curious if they reach it before end of today | 09:51 |
| _inte_ | they only have 20000 yet | 09:51 |
| _inte_ | 200000 | 09:51 |
| flux | chr1stopher, but hey, maybe some tohkbd will be willing to relinguish theirs once they get them | 09:51 |
| pp_ | (and there should be a bunch of codes after the tohkbd campaign ends) | 09:51 |
| _inte_ | Frye: :) | 09:51 |
| flux | tohkbd folks that is | 09:52 |
| Frye | and there went 200k mark | 09:52 |
| mornfall | _inte_: “only”? | 09:52 |
| pp_ | will gladly share mine, don't need another jolla :-) | 09:52 |
| leinir | just4info_: i'm afraid that question doesn't reeeally make sense... kde isn't software :) The term you're looking for is probably Plasma Desktop or something like that... | 09:52 |
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| _inte_ | mornfall: just kidding :) | 09:52 |
| just4info_ | GreatEmerald, sweet, i guess i should check it out, sounds just like what i was looking for | 09:52 |
| chr1stopher | pp_: thanks, but not valid anymore | 09:52 |
| trigpoint | why is the tablet price in usd? | 09:52 |
| pp_ | money goes to jolla asia, I'm guessing components etc. are priced in dollars | 09:53 |
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| ar | huh $206k in 53 minutes. | 09:53 |
| just4info_ | leinir, yes, i noticed that after typing sorry :) your correction is right, the question is about switching between "tablet-mode" and "laptop mode" | 09:53 |
| chr1stopher | yeah i could either wait for the campaign to end or just a get keyboard on my own ;D | 09:53 |
| GreatEmerald | leinir: Just Plasma, with the desktop variant called Plasma Shell | 09:53 |
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| mornfall | it'll be over in 3 hours I guess :-) | 09:53 |
| chr1stopher | just saw the google maps icon in a youtube jolla review. can you use this without problems? | 09:53 |
| GreatEmerald | Well, desktop and netbook, I guess | 09:53 |
| _inte_ | oh they will soon be sold out of the 189€ devices, what a pitty | 09:53 |
| mornfall | maybe less, it doesn't seem to be wearing off yet | 09:53 |
| _inte_ | chr1stopher: i would recommend nokia here or waze | 09:53 |
| roboro | chr1stopher: yeah... google maps works on sailfish | 09:54 |
| leinir | just4info_: i'm told it should be technically possible to do at runtime, just that the code path which does it hasn't received much testing :) | 09:54 |
| _inte_ | but as roboro says gmaps works as well | 09:54 |
| leinir | GreatEmerald: Ah yes, that's the one - Plasma Shell, couldn't remember what it was called :) | 09:54 |
| _inte_ | i prefer the new nokia here, though | 09:54 |
| trigpoint | i assume shipped from finland though, otherwise customs charges will be high | 09:54 |
| roboro | chr1stopher: I don't tend to use it much... but it works | 09:54 |
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| Nicd- | hehe, I've now begun to receive all jolla emails in duplicate | 09:55 |
| mornfall | btw tohkbd could use another 50 or so backers :P | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | because I changed my account's email at some point | 09:55 |
| mornfall | chr1stopher: so go get one ;-) | 09:55 |
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| just4info_ | leinir, sweet, sounds like the perfect system for my yoga :) | 09:55 |
| chr1stopher | ok thanks for the information. i just like the live traffic view of gmaps | 09:55 |
| Wnt | argh! 'Perk "Jolla Tablet for First Sailors" is no longer available' | 09:55 |
| AL13N_work | yeah | 09:56 |
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| stephg | Wnt: really? | 09:56 |
| Frye | hehe, cheaper perk is done | 09:56 |
| AL13N_work | i hope jolla can update the goal with an extra 2000 or something... it looks like i won't be getting it, when i get home | 09:56 |
| stephg | 1000 of them have gone? | 09:56 |
| roboro | glad that fomo kicked in for me when it did | 09:56 |
| stephg | wow | 09:56 |
| Frye | yep | 09:56 |
| Frye | 220k collected now | 09:57 |
| stephg | it was only 20 literally 58 minutes ago | 09:57 |
| GreatEmerald | They'll have to add "Joola Tablet for Late Sailors" soon if this continues :D | 09:57 |
| mornfall | I guess the indiegogo is just for the kicks | 09:57 |
| Tofe | well, the 199$ is just 10$ more, that's the price to pay to be so slow :D | 09:57 |
| AL13N_work | what i mean is that in a few hours, that also will be gone | 09:57 |
| Tofe | Right. | 09:58 |
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| AL13N_work | GreatEmerald: "Jolla Tablet for SOON(TM) Sailors" | 09:58 |
| meklu | "Joola" | 09:58 |
| xkr47 | <inofficial stats> there was a peak in number of new backers per minute at 11:34 of 38/minute, and at 11:50 it was around 26/minute | 09:59 |
| meklu | hmm... | 09:59 |
| GreatEmerald | Funny how I was "hmm, I wonder how long left until that Jolla announcement, let's check" and it was just barely announced, like 10% pledges | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | only 2k tablets tho | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | to fund it | 09:59 |
| GreatEmerald | Even before they sent their email notifications | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | GreatEmerald: what email? :P | 09:59 |
| ruskie | lol | 09:59 |
| ruskie | I got an email from jolla about the tablet | 09:59 |
| xkr47 | $189 sold out | 09:59 |
| GreatEmerald | I got two | 10:00 |
| stephg | greedy :) | 10:00 |
| ruskie | xkr47, a while ago hehe | 10:00 |
| GreatEmerald | emails, that is | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | this one's really easy to sell tho as it's got only wifi | 10:00 |
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| pp_ | yep, works the same everywhere | 10:01 |
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| GreatEmerald | Pretty odd how this announcement coincided with Nokia's one, though | 10:01 |
| xkr47 | I bet the jolla guys are happy now | 10:02 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: similar hardware base | 10:02 |
| leinir | well, they're both made at Slush, right? :) | 10:02 |
| leinir | (as in, the announcements) | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | GreatEmerald: yeah, but this isn't yet another android gizmo | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | it'll come with a terminal! \o/ | 10:02 |
| _inte_ | either jolla collaborates with nokia, or intel just released their reference design | 10:02 |
| _inte_ | just my guess | 10:02 |
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| pp_ | well, both probably collaborate with intel tampere :-) | 10:03 |
| _inte_ | ggabriel: isnt there a javaterm for android as well? SCNR:) | 10:03 |
| AL13N_work | my guess is that since jolla people are ex-nokia, it's sort of normal for them to announce something at slush | 10:03 |
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| ggabriel | _inte_: a proper terminal | 10:03 |
| _inte_ | ggabriel: yeah:) | 10:03 |
| flux | apparently intel is pushing heavily to have their chips on the market. should be visible in the amount of support and the prices of the chips.. | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | _inte_: android devices don't come with a temrinal, you have to download an "app" | 10:03 |
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| covox | flux: yeah they are really spooked | 10:03 |
| _inte_ | ggabriel: i never happend to own an Android | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | https://twitter.com/likimmo pics of tablet | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | apparently | 10:04 |
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| ggabriel | _inte_: i have a phone | 10:04 |
| kimmoli | few pics on my twitter | 10:04 |
| kimmoli | äh | 10:04 |
| kimmoli | Nicd-: faster... | 10:04 |
| SK_work | kimmoli: hands on | 10:04 |
| sharpneli | Yeah. The Intel Baytrail chips are being sold at a huge loss for Intel | 10:04 |
| covox | kinda stupid that intel doesn't use their superior firepower to make really great ARM chips | 10:04 |
| SK_work | we want hands on | 10:04 |
| flux | I wonder how the sailfish transition from arm to arm+x86 is going to go | 10:04 |
| covox | still, qualcomm has had it too good for too long | 10:04 |
| SK_work | covox: intel chips can be good | 10:04 |
| flux | you see, folks, this is why it's good to use bytecode programs.. ;-) | 10:04 |
| SK_work | x86 I mean | 10:04 |
| _inte_ | ggabriel: yeah but i know that android terminal is crap | 10:04 |
| mornfall | flux: the emulator in the SDK is already intel-based :) | 10:05 |
| covox | SK_work: x86 is pretty messy | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | do you need all the android hw abstraction crap for intel too? | 10:05 |
| tbr | covox: they actually do make ARM SoCs, but hate to talk about it | 10:05 |
| mornfall | flux: actually no, you just need reasonable packaging | 10:05 |
| _inte_ | I am somewhat surprised so many people are backing the jolla tablet in short time | 10:05 |
| flux | _inte_, well, it's only a batch of 2000 pcs. | 10:06 |
| _inte_ | honestly, wouldnt have expect people to buy tablets | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | _inte_: why? it should be cheap for a lot of peeps | 10:06 |
| GreatEmerald | covox: x86 is very good at this backwards-compatibility thing | 10:06 |
| mornfall | $250k / 66% | 10:06 |
| flux | 2000 pcs isn't a lot in my books | 10:06 |
| covox | GreatEmerald: but at what cost :P | 10:06 |
| covox | at what cost! | 10:06 |
| mornfall | covox: the cost is actually small | 10:06 |
| _inte_ | I also like it and im sure most people in this channel do | 10:06 |
| flux | bigger microcode? | 10:06 |
| _inte_ | however, we are not 2000 | 10:06 |
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| GreatEmerald | covox: Also it tends to have standards, like UEFI or Coreboot with which you can dual-boot without problems | 10:07 |
| covox | GreatEmerald: lol | 10:07 |
| mornfall | GreatEmerald: to be quite honest, uefi and acpi a steaming heap of horsepoo :P | 10:07 |
| mornfall | +are | 10:08 |
| GreatEmerald | mornfall: I know, but at least they exist | 10:08 |
| mornfall | doesn't mean that typical arm soc boot isn't worse | 10:08 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: dualboot windows? | 10:08 |
| _inte_ | mh | 10:08 |
| _inte_ | :) | 10:08 |
| GreatEmerald | I'm all fore Coreboot | 10:08 |
| GreatEmerald | for* | 10:08 |
| meklu | _inte_: dualboot gentoo and freebsd, amirite? | 10:08 |
| * meklu doesn't actually have any BSD installed | 10:09 | |
| _inte_ | meklu: openbsd if such | 10:09 |
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| GreatEmerald | _inte_: Dual boot Sailfish + openSUSE + Gentoo and whatnot :) | 10:09 |
| Wnt | did you know there was a x86 & MeeGo based tablet already in the market? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeTab :D | 10:09 |
| tbr | finally a hardware to run MeeGo tablet Ux on! | 10:09 |
| _inte_ | wnt oh yeah THAT was a big success :) | 10:09 |
| Wnt | _inte_: :D | 10:09 |
| xkr47 | <inofficial stats> current rate ~20 tablets per minute | 10:09 |
| tbr | the exopc (same hw as wetab) serves as a QML wall-clock here... | 10:10 |
| xkr47 | I think they will hit 2000 within two hours | 10:10 |
| _inte_ | tbr and plasma touch | 10:10 |
| _inte_ | again, forgot the name:) | 10:10 |
| Wnt | tbr: cool! | 10:10 |
| tbr | _inte_: is that as dead as meego tablet ux? | 10:10 |
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| _inte_ | tbr it seems if you look at their website | 10:10 |
| GreatEmerald | _inte_: Active! Active! | 10:10 |
| _inte_ | tbr but i guess it is integrated in kde5 now | 10:11 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: ah, yes :) | 10:11 |
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| tbr | possible | 10:11 |
| mornfall | it's ubuntu touch and plasma active :P | 10:11 |
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| _inte_ | hehe | 10:11 |
| GreatEmerald | It's part of regular Plasma, so it's not dead in the slightest | 10:11 |
| mornfall | not the other way around | 10:11 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: looking forward to have kontact running on that tablet | 10:12 |
| _inte_ | pgp support | 10:12 |
| _inte_ | and yubikey/gnupg smartcards | 10:12 |
| _inte_ | pretty cool | 10:12 |
| GreatEmerald | 69% funding | 10:12 |
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| Frye | Ok, the question now is can they reach the goal within 2 hours :D | 10:12 |
| Frye | Looking good. | 10:13 |
| _inte_ | Oh (sorry german): http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Intel-strukturiert-Mobilsparte-um-2459862.html | 10:13 |
| GreatEmerald | My current tablet has a smart card reader. I also have an ID card that has smartcard capabilities built in. Just that it's empty... | 10:13 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: add more perks, the existing ones will run out! | 10:13 |
| _inte_ | intel to join mobile and desktop development | 10:13 |
| _inte_ | crazy the jolla tablet did not even make it in the news and its already almost sold out | 10:14 |
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| _inte_ | more perks would be a wise idea | 10:14 |
| Frye | _inte_, it's in news here in Finland | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | it's ok, don't want too many n00bs ;) | 10:14 |
| flux | I suppose one big thing about the new tablet is that people won't think jolla will go down before it has been released, ie. there's some continuity ;-) | 10:14 |
| RaYmAn | making more devices has different challenges probably | 10:14 |
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| _inte_ | Frye: so most of them will probably stay in finland | 10:15 |
| _inte_ | ...again | 10:15 |
| Frye | Could be | 10:15 |
| RaYmAn | sourcing enough components etc. I know e.g. pebble had huge issues sourcing enough because they went so muhc over their target | 10:15 |
| meklu | well, it had an article on the verge | 10:15 |
| meklu | about an hour ago | 10:15 |
| meklu | so it's in the tech blogosphere I guess | 10:15 |
| _inte_ | meklu: ah | 10:16 |
| Nc_ | Watching comments that the decision to crowdsource the tablet reveals that Jolla Oy is basically begging for money due to being bankrupt ... :( | 10:16 |
| GreatEmerald | _inte_: Isn't that a good thing? Local business uspport and whatnot, less shipping | 10:16 |
| AL13N_work | well, not anymore they aren't | 10:16 |
| GreatEmerald | support* | 10:16 |
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| _inte_ | Nc_: could also be some kind of clever marketing | 10:17 |
| _inte_ | having a crowdfunding finished within a few hours | 10:17 |
| mcfrisk | Jolla, Nokia etc coming up with Intel based tablets, and Intel is selling them cheap, maybe even designed the HW: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/18/intels_cash_cow_pc_chip_division_to_gobble_mobile_unit_in_reorg/ | 10:17 |
| Nc_ | _inte_, is what I replied to them - crowd funding serves several purposes, incl marketing | 10:18 |
| _inte_ | http://www.areamobile.de/news/29657-jolla-finanziert-sailfish-tablet-ueber-crowdfunding | 10:18 |
| meklu | the amount of money they're getting out of this can't really sustain a salary for many people | 10:18 |
| _inte_ | made it in the german news | 10:18 |
| GreatEmerald | The Nokia tablet: "Atom Z3580 SoC that's quad-core at 2.3GHz and bears PowerVR G6430 graphics" | 10:18 |
| * jonwil wonders why Intel tablets running mobile OSs (as opposed to Intel tablets running Windows) are suddenly the in thing, why wouldn't you use cheaper and lower power ARM parts? | 10:18 | |
| meklu | so I doubt it | 10:18 |
| GreatEmerald | PowerVR, really... | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | it's in the trend btw ;) | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | look at indiegogo's hp | 10:19 |
| meklu | jonwil: "cheaper" | 10:19 |
| meklu | intel has a lot of $$$ | 10:19 |
| mornfall | Jonni: because it's no longer cheaper :) | 10:19 |
| mcfrisk | maybe Intel is actually cheaper now | 10:19 |
| mornfall | gah | 10:19 |
| mornfall | jonwil: ^ | 10:19 |
| mcfrisk | but maybe not for long | 10:19 |
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| meklu | they want to push into the mobile market | 10:19 |
| jonwil | I think the next frontier will be when Intel can come up with a part for a phone rather than a tablet | 10:19 |
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| Nickleu | don't know if you guys had heard about it but Intel is basically giving their chipsets away to motivate some China companies to develop Intel based tablets | 10:19 |
| meklu | the easiest way is to be the cheapest | 10:19 |
| meklu | and boy do they have money | 10:19 |
| mcfrisk | they've been wanting for years, hired most Maemo/Meego devs, but devices are only popping out now? with cheap price tags.. | 10:20 |
| jonwil | I wonder who will be first with a mainstream phone running Intel chips instead of, say, Snapdragon | 10:20 |
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| jonwil | if Intel is getting into tablets, phones seem like the next step | 10:20 |
| _inte_ | oh, the campaign seems to have slowed down a bit | 10:21 |
| _inte_ | now it appears to take ages to reach 300k | 10:21 |
| Teemu | 75% in hours | 10:21 |
| meklu | less than 1½ hours | 10:21 |
| _inte_ | jonwil: Jolla2, maybe? | 10:21 |
| Teemu | also, good thing to limit the amount of devices so as not to create a sourcing problem | 10:21 |
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| jonwil | With a tablet you can fit enough battery to offset the higher power usage of the Atom | 10:22 |
| mornfall | well, there's a definite drop in activity though | 10:22 |
| jonwil | also for most tablets, the battery life doesn't need to be as much as for a phone | 10:22 |
| _inte_ | oh, i just realized the UI is enterily different from the phone ui | 10:22 |
| _inte_ | almost reminds me of meego tablet ux | 10:23 |
| mornfall | jonwil: it's also not clear that atom has higher power usage | 10:23 |
| mornfall | jonwil: especially if it's going to be 14nm | 10:23 |
| suosaaski | jonwil: I disagree, a tablet needs to have a great battery life :) | 10:23 |
| jonwil | That's one thing Intel has going for it, they have the most advanced semiconductor fabs in the world | 10:24 |
| meklu | then tear it up and put another battery in it ;) | 10:24 |
| suosaaski | I must say, I just installed the Stella Launcher on my LG G3 and the first thing that comes to my mind is how much better Sailfish would look on a good display compared to the stock jolla device :o | 10:24 |
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| meklu | a 1440p display on a mobile device sounds a bit much | 10:24 |
| Scelt | suosaaski: +1 | 10:24 |
| mornfall | samsung won't have 14nm for a while | 10:24 |
| jonwil | and have consistently beaten every other manufacturer for at least the last decade | 10:24 |
| meklu | pushing the pixels for something like that... ouch | 10:24 |
| AL13N_work | with the big success, it would be nice if they could enlarge the battery and put in maybe LTE/3G? | 10:24 |
| mornfall | (next year, volume probably near the end of 2015) | 10:25 |
| meklu | (as if you were to have anything actually taxing on a mobile anyway) | 10:25 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: +1 +2 | 10:25 |
| daitheflu | AL13N_work: +1 for battery | 10:25 |
| AL13N_work | otoh, i can just do internet sharing on my jolla and use the wifi from it on the tablet | 10:25 |
| Scelt | suosaaski: my gf has my old nexus 5. damn it feels lightning fast compared to jolla. sfos with those specs would be awesome | 10:25 |
| suosaaski | I mean, it is just insane how much prettier it looks like on this 5.5" QHD thing compared to that Jolla phone. | 10:25 |
| AL13N_work | there's tjc stuff about both | 10:25 |
| AL13N_work | so vote, i guess | 10:25 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: I just thought that Im happy to live in Hamburg and the City announced free public Wifi just recently :) | 10:25 |
| AL13N_work | i would also like an extra 2k devices for almost early Sailors (shipping in june) | 10:27 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: plus I just learned the device has USB-Host therefore you could easily add 3G/LTE through USB | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | they would probably get to drop costs if they can order larger batch | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | _inte_: but the sailfishos still needs to handle it | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | or you'd have to do it with fingerterm | 10:27 |
| _inte_ | You could easily handle it by term | 10:27 |
| _inte_ | exactley | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | _inte_: i'm assuming internally there might be some space left to put it in | 10:28 |
| _inte_ | and there will surely be an app instantly | 10:28 |
| AL13N_work | if they are only at the stage of prototypes and the big orders aren't placed, it's still possible | 10:28 |
| _inte_ | if its not supported by sailfishos out of the box | 10:28 |
| AL13N_work | well, sailfishos has it supported for the jolla phone, so it should be doable | 10:28 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: they would likely have to charge extra then | 10:29 |
| suosaaski | crowdsourcing already at 78% | 10:29 |
| AL13N_work | _inte_: that's what updating crowdfunding is for | 10:29 |
| AL13N_work | i mean, what are you gonna do for the next 21 days? | 10:29 |
| suosaaski | So I guess they will make it as they still have 20 days, 22 hours and 30mins left of that 21 day time frame :) | 10:29 |
| Teemu | stretch goalu! | 10:30 |
| _inte_ | 300k, eventually# | 10:30 |
| AL13N_work | they should update crowdfunding with the requests they have in tjc for instance | 10:30 |
| covox | AL13N_work: beg everyone to add $20 to their order | 10:30 |
| Teemu | sorry, stretchu goalu | 10:30 |
| AL13N_work | pay a perk for larger battery, etc... | 10:30 |
| Teemu | tjc? | 10:30 |
| _inte_ | Teemu: what does that stand for? | 10:30 |
| AL13N_work | pay a perk for internal 3G/LTE | 10:31 |
| AL13N_work | etc... | 10:31 |
| Teemu | _inte_: stretch goals are in crowdfunding some extra goals after the initial goal is reached | 10:31 |
| suosaaski | I would think that the tablet is readily designed and it would not fit a larger battery? | 10:31 |
| _inte_ | are | 10:31 |
| suosaaski | without some redesign | 10:31 |
| lainwir3d | exciting times ! | 10:31 |
| Teemu | hdmi would be nice stretch goal | 10:31 |
| lainwir3d | Can't concentrate on work anymore | 10:31 |
| AL13N_work | since they put in 21days, i'm assuming they do this before the big order happens, so it's possible imho | 10:31 |
| AL13N_work | ah shit, i'm at work | 10:31 |
| lainwir3d | (well, couldn't at all today for the moment) | 10:31 |
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| _inte_ | Teemu: so strechU goalU is some kind of finish then? :) | 10:32 |
| covox | the webteam better hurry up with another tablety perk before this one runs out | 10:32 |
| daitheflu | lainwir3d: +1, it's terible | 10:32 |
| daitheflu | terr*ible | 10:32 |
| Teemu | _inte_: :D fake japanese :) the japanese seem to add an u to every loan word ending in consonant | 10:32 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 10:33 |
| fennekki | Teemu: they don't "add" an u, it's the closest possible approximation | 10:33 |
| fennekki | depending on the syllable the word ends in | 10:33 |
| mornfall | AL13N_work: now you'll have to hope they add more tablets because at this rate there won't be any left for you :| | 10:34 |
| ballock | conspiracy theory: intel gave Jolla 2000 SoCs, so they'll use indiegogo to pay their internal costs, sf, whatever | 10:34 |
| Tofe | AL13N_work: can't you buy it from work ? You seem to have internet :) | 10:34 |
| ballock | that's why there's just 2000 perks | 10:34 |
| Teemu | fennekki: i have really poor knowledge of anything japanese, which is why i'm naturally all wrong about it :) | 10:34 |
| meklu | throw some moomin pillows their way and they'll forgive you | 10:35 |
| meklu | that's how it works, right? | 10:35 |
| fennekki | Teemu: basically, because of how japanese works the only consonant a word can end in is n | 10:35 |
| GreatEmerald | Apparently there's something called Nemo-UX Shell that runs on Wayland, that's a possible idea for dual booting :D | 10:35 |
| fennekki | and generally a 'u' at the end of a word can be left silent unambiguously | 10:36 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: or you call someone to buy it for you | 10:36 |
| fennekki | also, if the last syllable is 'chi' the i can be silent | 10:36 |
| sledges | hey just found the music from the tablet video! Click play on "Blown Away" track #9 http://amazingtunes.com/outpost-media/sincostan | 10:37 |
| sledges | "it wasn't all just a dream // i feel a fire burning in me" :) | 10:38 |
| _inte_ | fennekki: ka ke ki ko ku | 10:38 |
| _inte_ | :) | 10:38 |
| _inte_ | japanese alphabet | 10:38 |
| fennekki | usually that'd be ka ki ku ke ko | 10:39 |
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| AL13N_work | mornfall: Tofe: _inte_: i need my banking transfer or my wife's credit card... | 10:41 |
| GreatEmerald | 84%, those perks are running very low very fast | 10:41 |
| AL13N_work | but yeah, there will soon no more left :-( | 10:41 |
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| mornfall | yeah, 540 tablets left | 10:41 |
| AL13N_work | if anyone of you could buy it for me, i can pay you cash at fosdem :-) | 10:41 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: Why dont you just call your wife | 10:42 |
| AL13N_work | i tried :-( | 10:42 |
| _inte_ | Its an emergency, eventually :) | 10:42 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 10:42 |
| covox | they'll add another tier, dw | 10:42 |
| pa | hi guys. I was wondering, are you considering also a 10/11 inch tablet? :) | 10:42 |
| pa | i really need to get rid of my Nexus10.. | 10:43 |
| tadzik | late birds | 10:43 |
| GreatEmerald | Late fish perhaps | 10:44 |
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| xkr47 | (1)337k :) | 10:49 |
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| SK_work | :) | 10:50 |
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| simbrown | I'm a bit late to the party, do we know which Atom is in the Jolla tablet? | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | https://together.jolla.com/question/63498/the-jolla-tablet-we-make-it-you-make-it-yours/ | 10:51 |
| ln- | can i install MS-DOS 6.2 on the tablet as it is x86? | 10:54 |
| covox | simbrown: nokia's slab has a moorefield, could be that | 10:55 |
| SK_work | > 91% | 10:55 |
| SK_work | ln-: :s | 10:55 |
| _inte_ | ln-: why dont you go for freedos? | 10:55 |
| GreatEmerald | I hope it won't use PowerVR | 10:55 |
| Teemu | ln-: in helsinki hacklab just yesterday i noticed unopened package for the latest version of deskview and qemm | 10:55 |
| simbrown | covox: The clock seems to slow? I'm interested as to whether it's PowerVR or intel graphics | 10:55 |
| covox | as am I | 10:56 |
| Teemu | how cool would that be | 10:56 |
| GreatEmerald | Then again, as of late Intel seems to add both Intel and PowerVR chips. THey're weird like that. | 10:56 |
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| SK_work | it is said that it is intel gpu | 10:56 |
| mornfall | 400 tablets left | 10:56 |
| GreatEmerald | I think they use the PowerVR block for certain video decoding | 10:56 |
| SK_work | at least tigeli confirmed | 10:57 |
| simbrown | so it's baytrail then | 10:57 |
| GreatEmerald | Bay Trail is what's cheap now, so most likely | 10:57 |
| _inte_ | I only wonder if the retail price will be somewhat higher | 10:57 |
| simbrown | GreatEmerald: is it not selling well :-) | 10:58 |
| faenil | _inte_: indiegogo page says that retail should be 249$ (VAT excluded I guess) | 10:58 |
| _inte_ | so it would be a good idea to buy one through the campaign I guess | 10:58 |
| faenil | yes | 10:59 |
| tigeli | SK_work: don't kill me if the hw changes ;) | 10:59 |
| ruskie | simbrown, from what I heard intels mobile stuff is producing loss | 10:59 |
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| SK_work | tigeli: np :) | 10:59 |
| simbrown | despite the closedness, I was hoping that it would be PowerVR so I could play with the OpenCL | 11:00 |
| _inte_ | faenil: But then I wonder why people should buy a retail Jolla if they could get a Nokia for the same price, since SailfishOS will probably run on the Nokia as well, but the Nokia features better hardware | 11:00 |
| tbr | powervr traditionally sux bad | 11:00 |
| * tbr bought it mainly because it did NOT have SGX | 11:00 | |
| faenil | _inte_: that's a valid point, in fact ;) | 11:00 |
| simbrown | tbr: sucks in many ways, but not performance | 11:01 |
| faenil | because they want sailfishos to keep evolving, I'd say | 11:01 |
| _inte_ | faenil: 189$ is a fair price, though | 11:01 |
| Teemu | _inte_: to support jolla the company | 11:01 |
| faenil | if you don't help jolla, jolla doesn't help you, hehe | 11:01 |
| Teemu | instead of just using the software | 11:01 |
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| tbr | simbrown: sure, but IMHO the software side suckage seriously outweighs any performance benefit | 11:01 |
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| meklu | less than 400 left :O | 11:01 |
| tbr | simbrown: I could easily see SGX causing serious delays | 11:01 |
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| covox | 95% zomg | 11:01 |
| _inte_ | Teemu: well that an appeal to the community rather than a valid point :) | 11:02 |
| pp_ | simbrown: I thought intel had opencl on their own kit too? | 11:02 |
| tbr | simbrown: there were massive bugs with SGX in the meego context and _nobody_ gave the slightest f*ck | 11:02 |
| _inte_ | oh, sad, they didnt even make it by 12 | 11:02 |
| pp_ | heh, someone I know worked on it for maemo and ended up growing organic turnips | 11:02 |
| mornfall | _inte_: it'll be gone by 1pm though | 11:03 |
| Teemu | turnips, where? | 11:03 |
| _inte_ | mornfall: sure | 11:03 |
| _inte_ | rather 12:15:) | 11:03 |
| pp_ | dunno, some middle of nowhere place, haven't heard of him in years :-) | 11:03 |
| alx | hello out there. After my moto G is broken, I am looking for a new smartphone. I was loving my n900, so I'm not far away from giving jolla a try. Perhaps somebody here can help me to answer my main questions? Question one: how good is the cardav and the caldav? In case if not supported, how well does davdroid? | 11:03 |
| Teemu | i'd buy good quality turnips but the ss-stores only stock plastic bag killed | 11:03 |
| Teemu | i moved from espoo to middle of nowhere | 11:04 |
| simbrown | tbr: I tried to fix things | 11:04 |
| Teemu | somewhere behind nummela | 11:04 |
| stephg | about to hit the target | 11:04 |
| xkr47 | <inofficial stats> ~13 backers per minute | 11:04 |
| GreatEmerald | And it's not been posted on Phironix yet, odd | 11:04 |
| mornfall | that gives 26 minutes to go | 11:04 |
| GreatEmerald | Phoronix* | 11:04 |
| _inte_ | I always wanted a Maemo/Meego Tablet and therefore I love the Jolla Tablet <3 | 11:05 |
| Frye | yep | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | alx: caldav and carddav are builtin but are in early stage | 11:05 |
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| simbrown | pp_: I didn't know about OCL for baytrail, do you know any details? | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | alx: expecting that they will improve over time | 11:05 |
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| pp_ | at least for the desktop stuff it's here: https://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-opencl | 11:05 |
| Frye | Ok, now local news has noticed the pace Jolla is getting backers. | 11:06 |
| mornfall | well, it's been a great success today :-) | 11:06 |
| mornfall | also it cost me 2.5 hours of life :P | 11:06 |
| Frye | =) | 11:06 |
| Frye | priceless | 11:06 |
| mornfall | and I will have a tablet and no idea why :D | 11:06 |
| alx | thank you Nicd, early stage means, there is allready somebody using it seriously? | 11:06 |
| meklu | GreatEmerald: Michael might be asleep then | 11:07 |
| _inte_ | Funny enough, heise.de, the larges german tec news site has not even catched up on the campaign | 11:07 |
| lainwir3d | mornfall: haha same here | 11:07 |
| meklu | haven't spotted him on IRC for a while now... | 11:07 |
| faenil | alx: well, it's part of the official Sailfish releases | 11:07 |
| lainwir3d | I guess porting the Parrot ZIK 2 manager will be fun enough | 11:07 |
| GreatEmerald | simbrown: Since Bay Trail is Ivy Bridge, wouldn't it be this: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Beignet/ | 11:07 |
| meklu | 329 units left | 11:08 |
| meklu | 324 | 11:08 |
| _inte_ | I would also suggest stretched goals as heise.de will probably attract a whole bunch of backers once they bring the news | 11:08 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 11:08 |
| lainwir3d | 329*199=65471 | 11:08 |
| lainwir3d | it will go over the goal | 11:08 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: did you eventually secure yours? | 11:08 |
| lainwir3d | thanks to the "small" contributions | 11:08 |
| _inte_ | lainwir3d: you cant say that yet | 11:09 |
| _inte_ | SCNR :) | 11:09 |
| GreatEmerald | simbrown: Oh, Beignet even explicitly mentions it supports Bay Trail | 11:09 |
| lainwir3d | _inte_: of course I can, I just did :P | 11:09 |
| _inte_ | lainwir3d: well someone could bet against you | 11:09 |
| simbrown | GreatEmerald: This will still be on top of the Android HAL so does beignet support hybris? | 11:09 |
| _inte_ | :) | 11:10 |
| Frye | Any info on the usb connector | 11:10 |
| GreatEmerald | simbrown: Why will it be on Android HAL? | 11:10 |
| Frye | I hope it will be c | 11:10 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 11:10 |
| simbrown | GreatEmerald: because changing things would lead to more work is my assumption | 11:11 |
| faenil | no moooneyyyyy heeere | 11:11 |
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| mornfall | 99% | 11:13 |
| _inte_ | 12:15?? | 11:13 |
| _inte_ | getting close | 11:13 |
| ruskie | hehe | 11:13 |
| mornfall | though 300 tablets still left | 11:13 |
| mornfall | something doesn't entirely add up :P | 11:13 |
| _MikeAce_ | argh... im not going to make it in time... | 11:13 |
| covox | that'd be shipping | 11:13 |
| leinir | come on, one more person... ;) | 11:14 |
| lainwir3d | _MikeAce_: there is some tablets left | 11:14 |
| lainwir3d | around 300 | 11:14 |
| leinir | herp, i'm a derp | 11:14 |
| leinir | i can maths, honest | 11:14 |
| GreatEmerald | simbrown: But it's on x86 now, so I don't see why they would use Android components when they don't need to | 11:14 |
| _inte_ | 12:15 and not quite... | 11:15 |
| meklu | 284 left | 11:15 |
| covox | it's stalled :/ | 11:15 |
| lainwir3d | can't.... work... | 11:15 |
| mornfall | aaaand | 11:15 |
| GreatEmerald | Too bad indiegogo doesn't autoupdate like Kickstarter does | 11:15 |
| Naranek | we're.... | 11:15 |
| Naranek | almost... | 11:16 |
| stephg | 151 short | 11:16 |
| entil | sweeeet | 11:16 |
| mornfall | kaboom | 11:16 |
| sledges | it shows 100% here but still for $379,232 weird :) | 11:16 |
| lainwir3d | boom | 11:16 |
| mornfall | 380k | 11:16 |
| GreatEmerald | Shows 100%, but that's rounding errors | 11:16 |
| stephg | and over | 11:16 |
| entil | THERE | 11:16 |
| _inte_ | jea | 11:16 |
| _MikeAce_ | whats if all sold out? thats it then? no more tabs for the remaining 20 days? | 11:16 |
| stephg | :) | 11:16 |
| _inte_ | 12>16 | 11:16 |
| Naranek | \o/ | 11:16 |
| _inte_ | 12:16 | 11:16 |
| GreatEmerald | OK, now it's done | 11:16 |
| daitheflu | \o/ | 11:16 |
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| sledges | \o/ | 11:16 |
| mornfall | _MikeAce_: depends on jolla | 11:16 |
| mornfall | still over 250 left | 11:16 |
| entil | I doubt they'd want to make a lot of these cheaply available | 11:16 |
| covox | good work everyone, not a cent more :) | 11:16 |
| _inte_ | that probably means my money is defineatly gone now :( | 11:16 |
| mornfall | _inte_: what do you mean? | 11:17 |
| mornfall | _inte_: (it's flexible funding, it's been gone the moment you paid, if that's what you mean :-) | 11:17 |
| entil | Stskeeps and friends will hit the bahamas with the flexible funding ;) | 11:17 |
| _inte_ | mornfall: oh. well, not that much a difference :) | 11:17 |
| GreatEmerald | "still over" 250 left? You mean "only about" 250 left | 11:18 |
| * Nav wonders why they picked indiegogo and not kickstarter | 11:18 | |
| _inte_ | mornfall: but the next time i will rather read the Terms :) | 11:18 |
| meklu | 248 | 11:18 |
| entil | does KS allow flexible funding, like getting cash before delivery? cuz that might be a reason | 11:18 |
| Tegu | goal reached | 11:18 |
| GreatEmerald | entil: It doesn't, last I checked | 11:18 |
| mornfall | "trending" finally picked it up :) | 11:18 |
| AL13N_work | _inte_: no i didn't | 11:18 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 11:19 |
| GreatEmerald | mornfall: It had it picked up a while ago now | 11:19 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: oh sorry | 11:19 |
| _inte_ | but there are still some 200 left | 11:19 |
| AL13N_work | yeah | 11:19 |
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| _inte_ | ask your coworkers... | 11:19 |
| lainwir3d | AL13N_work: take off work now :P | 11:19 |
| _inte_ | or your boss :) | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | i'm alone at work today | 11:20 |
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| lainwir3d | AL13N_work: where are you from ? | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | joy | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | belgium | 11:20 |
| TemeV | Oh, they just added 2000 more tablets | 11:20 |
| TemeV | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet/contributions/new?perk_amt=204&perk_id=2484192 | 11:20 |
| mornfall | and we are on indiegogo frontpage now | 11:21 |
| entil | $204 :o | 11:21 |
| lainwir3d | :o | 11:21 |
| fennekki | it's just nominally more expensive | 11:21 |
| AL13N_work | that's still ok | 11:21 |
| mornfall | five bucks a piece :) | 11:21 |
| mornfall | +extra | 11:21 |
| lainwir3d | AL13N_work: seems like you're still lucky | 11:21 |
| AL13N_work | this looks like it'll be there tonight | 11:21 |
| lainwir3d | ;) | 11:21 |
| fennekki | basically the point of the +5$ is to make people feel like they can get it for cheaper | 11:21 |
| mornfall | the next 2k should last until evening | 11:21 |
| AL13N_work | still shipping may | 11:21 |
| AL13N_work | nice | 11:21 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 11:22 |
| lainwir3d | nice check | 11:22 |
| lainwir3d | did you verify it didn't say "may 2016" ? :P | 11:22 |
| mornfall | I suspect Jolla PR dept is a bit overwhelmed right now... | 11:22 |
| AL13N_work | :) | 11:22 |
| _inte_ | oh, 400k soon | 11:22 |
| _inte_ | nobody is going for the 204$ device | 11:23 |
| GreatEmerald | 380k is kind of an odd number to begin with | 11:23 |
| _inte_ | probably too expensive | 11:23 |
| pp_ | still 200 of $199 ones left :D | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | well, 189+199 == 388 | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | so that's probably the reason for the goal | 11:24 |
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| covox | well so far they've outsold the kin | 11:24 |
| _inte_ | covox: LOL!!:) | 11:24 |
| covox | how long before they outsell the surface you reckon :P | 11:24 |
| ortylp1 | for you all at work: there is further batch of 2000 added for $205 | 11:24 |
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| _inte_ | AL13N_work: the collected amount will eventually be higher than the pure tablet price since shipping contributes to the founding total | 11:25 |
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| GreatEmerald | Then again, with flexible funding the goal may as well be a googolplex | 11:25 |
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| GreatEmerald | _inte_: But the pure tablet price is probably without shipping either | 11:26 |
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| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: sure | 11:26 |
| _inte_ | but if you calculated the devices needed for a succesful campaing you need to calculate with 209+219, not 189+199 | 11:27 |
| _inte_ | 400k btw | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | they probably figured that they would be able to sell the last few devices too | 11:28 |
| _inte_ | or they forgot to add shipping in the first point as well :) | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | shipping makes no profit | 11:29 |
| covox | AL13N_work: tell that to DHL | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | for jolla | 11:29 |
| covox | I know, just being obtuse :) | 11:30 |
| AL13N_work | i think a few people are relieved now | 11:30 |
| meklu | better start being acute | 11:30 |
| AL13N_work | ok, we got the goal | 11:30 |
| meklu | ;) | 11:30 |
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| faenil | THE INTEL ARCH IS MOOREFIELD ----> POWERVR GPU, just fyi ;) | 11:31 |
| sharpneli | EWWWW | 11:31 |
| Nav | nasty | 11:31 |
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| mornfall | so 22nm | 11:31 |
| mornfall | too bad... | 11:31 |
| sharpneli | So we can expect atrocious gpu drivers | 11:31 |
| covox | yay poulsbo II | 11:31 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: it makes no profit, but the shipping price adds to the campaing | 11:31 |
| _inte_ | therefore they probably set the goal wrong since the goal represents the first 2000 devices w/o shipping | 11:32 |
| faenil | That should make it the same Arch as Nokia N1 | 11:32 |
| _inte_ | faenil: but lower clockspeed | 11:33 |
| entil | maybe they're not entirely bankrupt and can afford to cover that margin | 11:33 |
| covox | the goal was arbitrary :P no way it has any correlation with feasibility | 11:33 |
| faenil | _inte_: sure, same arch I said :D | 11:33 |
| _inte_ | entil: maybe:) | 11:33 |
| covox | it was just a nice round-sounding lowball figure | 11:33 |
| faenil | GPU is clocked at the same frequency though | 11:33 |
| AL13N_work | i think the goal is some kind of minimal for existance | 11:33 |
| _inte_ | entil: just revealing a bug :-P | 11:33 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: of course it is but they still forgot to calculate the shipping within their goal | 11:34 |
| AL13N_work | 100 units left for 199 | 11:34 |
| marinaio | the battery has lower capacity than the batteries of the N1 and iPad Mini 3 | 11:34 |
| mornfall | _inte_: it's flexible, which gives away that they are going through with this no matter the indiegogo | 11:34 |
| mornfall | _inte_: indiegogo is just a publicity stunt | 11:34 |
| mornfall | a good one though | 11:34 |
| _inte_ | mornfall: of course i dont doubt that | 11:35 |
| GreatEmerald | faenil: Isn't Moorefield supposed to be for smartphones, not tablets? | 11:35 |
| Venemo | seems that they reached their goals already | 11:35 |
| mornfall | GreatEmerald: that wouldn't be a big deal | 11:35 |
| juergbi | faenil: where did you get that information? | 11:35 |
| faenil | aren't they just smartphones with bigger battery and display? :) | 11:35 |
| mornfall | GreatEmerald: actually might be a good thing | 11:35 |
| _inte_ | but still, they were obviously trying to make the goal represent the first 2000 devices which it doesnt because it lacks shipping | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/63486/request-jolla-tablet-connectivity-3g4g/ | 11:35 |
| faenil | juergbi: a friend of mine who works in Intel | 11:35 |
| _inte_ | thats all i wanted to say :) | 11:35 |
| Venemo | sharpneli: actually, the GPUs in the current atoms are in line with the GPUs in the Core series | 11:35 |
| faenil | source: https://twitter.com/francesco_1985/status/535018169271087104 | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/63574/request-jolla-tablet-bigger-battery/ | 11:36 |
| mornfall | Venemo: that depends on a particular SoC | 11:36 |
| sharpneli | Venemo: If it's powerVR then it's horrible. If it's the intel's own then it's ok. | 11:36 |
| lbt | GreatEmerald: faenil doesn't know the detailed spec - it's not released yet | 11:36 |
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| juergbi | :/ | 11:36 |
| lbt | feel free to speculate :) | 11:36 |
| _inte_ | it as a slower cpu and a lighter os than the nokia, so probably the battery will last about the same | 11:36 |
| Venemo | oooooooooh | 11:36 |
| juergbi | faenil: can't you convince your friend to secretly ship bay trail chips instead? ;) | 11:36 |
| faenil | lbt: Intel source is not really speculation...but of course, and Intel emplyee could be wrong about what Intel is doing with Jolla | 11:36 |
| lbt | well, we'd hate to spoil your fun *g* | 11:37 |
| faenil | :D | 11:37 |
| Venemo | oh, is it the powerVR crap? please noooooooooo | 11:37 |
| Venemo | here's my opinion on powerVR: http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ | 11:37 |
| Warnaud | :D | 11:37 |
| mornfall | Venemo: well... :) | 11:37 |
| juergbi | i can't understand why Jolla would choose PowerVR unless they are significantly cheaper | 11:38 |
| mornfall | juergbi: availability may be a factor | 11:38 |
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| sharpneli | 1.8GHz Atom means it's probably the Anniedale | 11:38 |
| juergbi | wasn't bay trail released quite a while ago as well? | 11:38 |
| sharpneli | http://ark.intel.com/products/81194 | 11:38 |
| mornfall | also, power consumption | 11:39 |
| sharpneli | That chip was released Q2 of this year | 11:39 |
| faenil | juergbi: baytrail is older than moorefield | 11:39 |
| entil | Rays are cast[dubious – discuss] onto the triangles associated with the tile and a pixel is rendered from the triangle closest to the camera. The PowerVR hardware typically calculates the depths associated with each polygon for one tile row in 1 cycle.[dubious – discuss] | 11:39 |
| xkr47 | 85 to go | 11:39 |
| lbt | will people please stop buying tablets - I have a bet on the number we get in the first few hours | 11:39 |
| entil | I concur with "[dubious - discuss]" but that sounds like a horrible design | 11:39 |
| tigeli | xkr47: there are more available :) | 11:39 |
| AL13N_work | pls vote https://together.jolla.com/question/63760/add-more-perks-to-crowdfunding-with-hw-features/ | 11:39 |
| xkr47 | oh | 11:40 |
| sharpneli | entil: Not really. The HW is quite fine for basic ES2 stuff | 11:40 |
| mornfall | lbt: what is your bet? | 11:40 |
| sharpneli | entil: Apple uses the same GPU btw. And it's one of the best. | 11:40 |
| Venemo | my brother has an asus with a bay trail CPU which is quite nice | 11:40 |
| entil | sharpneli: so it's actually good but it's just the linux drivers that are like linux drivers tend to be? | 11:40 |
| Venemo | just please don't use that shit with the powervr | 11:40 |
| sharpneli | However only Apple has Apple drivers. Everyone else have horrible blasted hellspawn which is the PowerVR official drivers. | 11:40 |
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| entil | mmmmmmmmeh | 11:40 |
| AL13N_work | lbt; lol | 11:41 |
| lbt | mornfall: lets just say I'm optimistic but nervous with the trend and the amount of time to go :) | 11:41 |
| Venemo | sharpneli +1 | 11:41 |
| sharpneli | entil: Same applies to all other GPU's in mobile space too. Only Intel (for their own gpu's) and Nvidia have good drivers. | 11:41 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: the trend will drop soon enough... | 11:41 |
| Venemo | what trend? | 11:41 |
| entil | sharpneli: let's hope it turns out ok, tho | 11:41 |
| _inte_ | now it hangs at 425k | 11:42 |
| sharpneli | It's going to be somewhat usable | 11:42 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: a trend is an expectency regarding a current rate of something | 11:42 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: I know what the word means, just not sure which trend you are talking about now | 11:42 |
| entil | sharpneli: in line with stupid speculation, maybe the driver gets better during the next half-year :D | 11:43 |
| AL13N_work | i was referring to lbt's statement: lbt: mornfall: lets just say I'm optimistic but nervous with the trend and the amount of time to go :) | 11:43 |
| pa | so since nobody answered, i suppose it means NO to a 10/11" tablet with sailfish.. | 11:43 |
| sharpneli | entil: Mobile devices never ever get any driver updates. | 11:43 |
| sharpneli | entil: Heck they'd rather sue you than let you update your drivers. See Qualcomm as an example. | 11:43 |
| lbt | hmm I thought we updated a driver on the jolla | 11:43 |
| Tofe | back from lunch... In the meantime, a company got 100,000$... | 11:43 |
| lbt | but in general, true | 11:43 |
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| mornfall | sharpneli: actually, qualcomm is sponsoring OSS wifi drivers | 11:44 |
| sharpneli | :O | 11:44 |
| entil | lbt: if there's no bad opensource driver or anything like that, instead completely dependent on the manufacturer, you're in for pain | 11:44 |
| entil | unless you cross your fingers and speculate something could happen | 11:44 |
| ortylp1 | pa: I need 13" Tablet with a stylus (so SailfisOS on Note Pro) | 11:44 |
| sharpneli | mornfall: How can that be? The same company that tried to forbid google to publish recovery images because they obviously had their drivers inside :D | 11:44 |
| lbt | entil: agreed; in general it's never wise to assume a closed driver update will be available to fix a problem | 11:45 |
| AL13N_work | 50 units left | 11:45 |
| pa | ortylp1, i'd like one too, but without edges please. I'd rather have an option to restrict the touchable area on the screen | 11:45 |
| mornfall | sharpneli: companies are multi-headed beasts with split personality | 11:45 |
| Tofe | AL13N_work: a 204$ tablet option appeared :) | 11:45 |
| AL13N_work | i know | 11:45 |
| _inte_ | now i hope there will be a good ebook reader for jolla soon | 11:45 |
| _inte_ | like that one for ipad | 11:46 |
| GreatEmerald | My current tablet is Oak Trail, which uses PowerVR graphics, and there are only FOSS drivers in use for it (gma500_gfx) | 11:46 |
| pa | _inte_, can't you use mantano reader via dalvik? | 11:46 |
| sharpneli | But yeah. Let's hope for the best. With luck Jolla doesn't use the hybris based android stack but purely linux, so we can theoretically update the drivers. | 11:46 |
| entil | foss drivers can actually be improved | 11:46 |
| AL13N_work | there's supposedly a good one in warehouse, but i wish they would get it through harbor | 11:46 |
| GreatEmerald | There were closed rivers for it once, but they were limited to something like Ubuntu Karmic Koala | 11:46 |
| AL13N_work | callibre-based? | 11:46 |
| mornfall | sharpneli: they can totally give you sources to a new driver while the legal is suing you for flipping a bit somewhere | 11:46 |
| _inte_ | pa i barely use dalvik | 11:46 |
| sharpneli | mornfall :D | 11:46 |
| GreatEmerald | clodes drivers* | 11:46 |
| Teemu | entil: shhhhh no they cannot | 11:47 |
| pa | _inte_, well.. if you want a good reader, that's one | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | mornfall: true that | 11:47 |
| _inte_ | and i guess a native ebook reader for tablets is a must | 11:47 |
| GreatEmerald | closed* argh | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | GreatEmerald: nice... | 11:47 |
| juergbi | if we're unlucky, powervr could mean that the software requires much more RAM | 11:47 |
| ortylp1 | porting fbreader? anyone? | 11:47 |
| pa | _inte_, that's true, but it's a big app | 11:47 |
| juergbi | (if there are no powervr drivers for x32) | 11:47 |
| mornfall | I need to take a walk to cool down. :D Work needs to be done. Damn you jolla. | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | wait a minute, since this is intel, i can just put callibre on it | 11:48 |
| GreatEmerald | The FOSS gma500_gfx does work, as in it displays things and has modesetting, but that's about it | 11:48 |
| mornfall | AL13N_work: you can probably put calibre on ARM just as well | 11:48 |
| sharpneli | Ok. Based on some searching it seems the tablet is going to have to use Hybris :S | 11:48 |
| mornfall | AL13N_work: however, it won't work without X (Xwayland maybe?) | 11:48 |
| GreatEmerald | Oh, it can change the backlight intensity, and there were plans to have some limited video acceleration | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | possibly, but that's a bit more tricky | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | aw right | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | i forgot X and Wayland stuff | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | sharpneli: what did you expect? | 11:49 |
| sharpneli | AL13N_work: Dunno. Something happy? | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | it's good enough imho | 11:49 |
| ortylp1 | AL13N_work: calibre is written in python AFAIK | 11:49 |
| sharpneli | However there is no softfp/hardfp issues with X86 so at least the hybris will be 0 overhead. | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | the overhead isn't much | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | x86_64 | 11:50 |
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| xkr47 | only a few minutes to 2000 units now | 11:50 |
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| _inte_ | oh I just realized Jolla will start shipping to the US with the tablet | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | 4 | 11:50 |
| _inte_ | xkr47: its only 1995 now | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | already 10 for 204 | 11:50 |
| mornfall | _inte_: US is a lot less tricky if you don't do cellular | 11:51 |
| _inte_ | 10 of the 204 are already sold | 11:51 |
| GreatEmerald | Those gma500_gfx features would be enough for me, if only my tablet's screen would turn off. As it is it just glows black and eats all the battery... | 11:51 |
| xkr47 | 2000 total that is! congrats jolla!!! | 11:51 |
| mornfall | we can place bet whether it'll hit $1M | 11:52 |
| tigeli | I'm waiting for the us people to wake up | 11:52 |
| _MikeAce_ | 199$ is sold out too | 11:52 |
| _inte_ | done | 11:52 |
| _inte_ | yep | 11:52 |
| AL13N_work | oh right | 11:52 |
| sharpneli | Gz jolla! | 11:52 |
| ln- | i hope there will be an option for tablet + potato salad | 11:52 |
| AL13N_work | US is still sleeping | 11:52 |
| * _MikeAce_ got one of the last 199'er :-) | 11:52 | |
| _inte_ | hehe | 11:52 |
| AL13N_work | sucks to be them | 11:52 |
| Armadillo | ln- lol :D | 11:52 |
| ortylp1 | well, I would not say "sold", Jolla may never deliver it, remember, its is croudfunding, no guarantees | 11:52 |
| _inte_ | AL13N_work: maybe they will add some more | 11:53 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 11:53 |
| GreatEmerald | So I'm rather wary of PowerVR since then. Thankfully these days there are AMD and Bay Trail tablets | 11:53 |
| AL13N_work | maybe sales in US will be very low, because they are gonna look hateful at 2k units already gone | 11:53 |
| _MikeAce_ | youre right. . but thats what indiegőgo tells me "ausverkauft" | 11:53 |
| _inte_ | and its still not on heise.de | 11:54 |
| _inte_ | that will surely boost german sales | 11:54 |
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| AL13N_work | ok, time for jolla webteam to re-sort the next feature perk | 11:55 |
| AL13N_work | it's at the bottom now | 11:55 |
| Armadillo | they also released the anrgy birds launcher | 11:55 |
| _MikeAce_ | when did the indiegogo project start? at 9 o' clock UTC? | 11:55 |
| tadzik | what do you launch them at? | 11:55 |
| Nicd- | _MikeAce_: around that time yes | 11:56 |
| _inte_ | mornfall: yes | 11:56 |
| GreatEmerald | tadzik: Pigs, I'd assume | 11:56 |
| _inte_ | _MikeAce_: yes | 11:56 |
| tadzik | sounds logical | 11:56 |
| sharpneli | Btw. Does anyone know if the tablet is going to use Android L underneath? | 11:58 |
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| sharpneli | It's important knowledge because that pretty much determines the GPU driver version | 11:59 |
| _inte_ | sharpneli: i heard it uses windows | 11:59 |
| _inte_ | :) | 11:59 |
| stephg | 1000% fact ^^ | 11:59 |
| sharpneli | tru | 11:59 |
| entil | kvlt story brø | 11:59 |
| covox | sharpneli: why wouldn't it be the latest | 11:59 |
| covox | (at release) | 11:59 |
| sharpneli | I mean the Jolla phone has a relatively modern GPU, however it's limited to ES2.0 due to the choice of the core android version. | 12:00 |
| sharpneli | covox: For the same reason the Jolla phone had GPU drivers from 2012 | 12:00 |
| marinaio | sharpneli: maybe because jolla phone soc was from 2012 | 12:01 |
| AL13N_work | oiw: the table soc could be from 2013 | 12:01 |
| sharpneli | marinaio: The same chip is also sold on newer phones with drivers that support ES 3.0 | 12:02 |
| sharpneli | Adreno 305 | 12:02 |
| GreatEmerald | What's the deal with type C connectors, anyway? I can't find anything about it on Wikipedia... | 12:02 |
| ruskie | GreatEmerald, reversible iirc | 12:02 |
| GreatEmerald | ruskie: And what does that mean? | 12:03 |
| ruskie | no more 270 degree magic connections | 12:03 |
| AL13N_work | and what does that mean? | 12:03 |
| sharpneli | marinaio: It actually contains interesting hybrid driver package. The GPU OpenGL driver is from 2012 but the OpenCL driver for the GPU is from summer 2013 | 12:03 |
| GreatEmerald | What AL13N_work said | 12:03 |
| stephg | AL13N_work: you know, you can only plug a μUSB cable in the third time ;) | 12:03 |
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| AL13N_work | stephg: still don't get it | 12:04 |
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| Scelt | AL13N_work: you can plug it in upside down | 12:04 |
| ruskie | anyone got that xkcd for it? | 12:04 |
| GreatEmerald | But I'm starting to remember something, isn't it that you can charge things the other way round with it? | 12:04 |
| AL13N_work | what do you mean upside down? | 12:04 |
| AL13N_work | how can you plug anything differently? | 12:05 |
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| Scelt | AL13N_work: twist your cable upside down and plug it in? does it go in? | 12:05 |
| gexc | possibility for sailfishos-ish desktop environment for (serious) tablet pc? | 12:05 |
| AL13N_work | oh, now i get it | 12:05 |
| Scelt | AL13N_work: a reversable cable would | 12:05 |
| Scelt | sible | 12:05 |
| AL13N_work | you can rotate 180° and plug it in? | 12:05 |
| marinaio | AL13N_work: take a microusb male connector, turn it 180 degrees (axis = cable) | 12:05 |
| Scelt | AL13N_work: yea | 12:05 |
| SK_Sailfish | gexc: i bet kde plasma | 12:05 |
| GreatEmerald | Ah | 12:05 |
| AL13N_work | why the hell didn't you say so | 12:05 |
| gexc | lol | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | gods damn them | 12:06 |
| GreatEmerald | Why would anyone want that, though... | 12:06 |
| gexc | SK_Sailfish: haven't got that running yet, lol, will try | 12:06 |
| GreatEmerald | An an extra, sure, but a prominent feature?.. | 12:06 |
| SK_Sailfish | no usb type c though :( | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | "how many sailors does it take to explain USB connector C" | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | ^^ | 12:06 |
| marinaio | GreatEmerald: because you don't have to check he orientation of the connector every time you want to connect it | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | ==> 4 | 12:07 |
| GreatEmerald | marinaio: Are people so lazy that they can't even check the connector orientation? :P | 12:07 |
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| AL13N_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/63760/add-more-perks-to-crowdfunding-with-hw-features/ | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | vote ^^ | 12:07 |
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| AL13N_work | that way we can get maybe better hw | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | but but there are already 2k more tablets | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | yes, but i mean, ask for bigger battery perk (with a bit more monies) or whatever | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | diff models? | 12:08 |
| GreatEmerald | How about a "Bay Trail" perk? ;) | 12:08 |
| AL13N_work | a bigger battery doesn't need a diff model now does it? | 12:08 |
| faenil | it needs more weight, more thickness... | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | it prolly does | 12:09 |
| AL13N_work | and i suppose if enough people ask this, maybe all will have this hw perk | 12:09 |
| ruskie | AL13N_work, I'd say that would more be a strech goal than a perk | 12:09 |
| sharpneli | Tbh it might be that the reason the tablet is so cheap is that Intel wants to get rid of it's stockpiles of older Atom chips. | 12:09 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | ha | 12:09 |
| AL13N_work | ruskie: well, it wouldn't matter that much, wouldn't it? it's crowdfunding | 12:10 |
| ruskie | sharpneli, more than likely... especially since they are merging mobile and pc bits of their business | 12:10 |
| ruskie | sharpneli, due to loss from mobile | 12:10 |
| GreatEmerald | sharpneli: Wasn't that established a few hours ago? | 12:10 |
| GreatEmerald | already established* | 12:10 |
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| AL13N_work | extra goal without anything to gain will be difficult | 12:10 |
| AL13N_work | btw: | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | for reference | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | i had 2 atom based PCs | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | and they both had major memleak | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | but that was fixed in 3.17.2 | 12:11 |
| faenil | sharpneli: older? moorefield is from Q4 2014 | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | just saying | 12:11 |
| faenil | (assuming it really is moorefield) | 12:12 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | honestly i'm worried about the delivery date | 12:12 |
| AL13N_work | people are saying i's the older one | 12:12 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | in may, the specs will be outdated, just like Jolla 1 | 12:12 |
| juergbi | i'd prefer an older one, like bay trail ;) | 12:12 |
| faenil | I'll trust the intel employee, until I get words from Jolla ;) | 12:13 |
| AL13N_work | intel employee? | 12:13 |
| pp_ | 10:58 < tigeli> SK_work: our is too quad-core | 12:13 |
| pp_ | 10:59 < tigeli> SK_work: and does not have proprietary gpu like n1 | 12:13 |
| pp_ | 12:59 < tigeli> SK_work: don't kill me if the hw changes ;) | 12:13 |
| pp_ | dunno | 12:13 |
| faenil | AL13N_work: https://twitter.com/francesco_1985/status/535018169271087104 | 12:13 |
| sharpneli | faenil: Derp. You're right. | 12:14 |
| faenil | that however clashes with what tigeli said, as N1 is moorefield as well, and should have same GPU as jolla tablet....if it doesn't...dunno | 12:15 |
| GreatEmerald | Someone's going to get killed, either tigeli or faenil :P | 12:15 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | :D | 12:15 |
| faenil | haha, I'm just reporting stuff I find :) | 12:15 |
| GreatEmerald | I don't think it's confirmed to be Z3560 yet | 12:16 |
| faenil | I'm young, kill him first! :D | 12:16 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | :D | 12:16 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | he is young too | 12:16 |
| meklu | ruskie: it was saturday morning breakfast cereal | 12:16 |
| meklu | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2388 | 12:16 |
| faenil | not as young as I am! | 12:16 |
| faenil | :D | 12:16 |
| meklu | remember to hit the red button under the comic! | 12:17 |
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| entil | the red button's new, otherwise that's an ancient joke | 12:18 |
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| sharpneli | However is there an 1.8GHz bay trail? | 12:18 |
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| AL13N_work | i wonder if it's possible to send multiple currents through the same wire? | 12:20 |
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| simbrown | Hmmm if I knew which SoC it is, I'd know whether I'd want to put my money down. Not enjoying watching the price go up | 12:21 |
| AL13N_work | doesn't the electric charge gets passed on the outside of the cylindric form? | 12:21 |
| AL13N_work | what if you could send another charge in the middle... | 12:21 |
| AL13N_work | simbrown: is it really that important? | 12:21 |
| GreatEmerald | sharpneli: Sure is: http://ark.intel.com/products/80275/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735G-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz | 12:21 |
| marinaio | sharpneli: there are with 1.8ghz _burst_ frequenct | 12:21 |
| sharpneli | marinaio: True | 12:21 |
| GreatEmerald | Yea, burst | 12:22 |
| sharpneli | But that's lying :( | 12:22 |
| GreatEmerald | Well, not really, it's 1.8 when you need it | 12:22 |
| GreatEmerald | You just usually don't need it | 12:22 |
| Venemo | I don't expect it to use a 2014-Q1 SoC when it's launched in Q1-2015 | 12:22 |
| marinaio | and it has intel hd graphics | 12:23 |
| marinaio | this means opensource drivers | 12:23 |
| meklu | GreatEmerald: doesn't look like that's the one | 12:24 |
| meklu | note the 1GB max RAM | 12:24 |
| pp_ | hmn, http://wccftech.com/intel-atom-soc-roadmap-tablets-smartphones-leaked-14nm-airmont-goldmont-based-chips-detailed/ | 12:24 |
| marinaio | meklu: http://ark.intel.com/it/products/78416/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3740D-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz | 12:25 |
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| GreatEmerald | Well, half of Bay Trail is 1.8 burst: http://ark.intel.com/products/series/76761/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3700-Series | 12:25 |
| GreatEmerald | And Intel markets it as 1.8 too | 12:25 |
| meklu | marinaio: well, that could be it | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | AL13N_work: ##electronics. In short - no - they merge unless they can be seperated by frequency or time | 12:26 |
| GreatEmerald | It could be Z3735{D,F}, Z3740{,D}, Z3745{,D}, | 12:27 |
| AL13N_work | SpeedEvil: i'm just wondering if it would be possible to have a single wire and a connector that can fit in any way | 12:28 |
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| AL13N_work | maybe with layers of less conductivity, the charge would keep at the border of that layer | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | and so you'd get concentric circles of different charges? | 12:30 |
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| Nicd- | video and interview about the tablet here: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288774669985.html (they speak in finnish but you can look at the tablet at least) | 12:33 |
| GreatEmerald | Welp, I'd better get back to work (and packaging things for openSUSE) | 12:33 |
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| meklu | >nicotine gum ad | 12:35 |
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| meklu | I don't even smoke | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | I'm getting printer ads. I bought a printer already, you're too late! | 12:35 |
| meklu | great ad targeting rite there, IS | 12:35 |
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| sharpneli | So the hope of getting Bay Trail lives on! | 12:36 |
| sharpneli | That means it's gonna use the Intel Linux gpu driver stack, and that means it's opensource and can be updated! | 12:36 |
| sharpneli | Yaay. | 12:36 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | yay | 12:36 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | however I feel that windows intel gpu drivers are bettet | 12:37 |
| sharpneli | They are for now | 12:37 |
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| ggabriel | aren't intel drivers all open source [for linux]? | 12:37 |
| sharpneli | I actually have no idea how their Android stack works for that | 12:37 |
| sharpneli | Even if it is the android stack we're going to get ES3.1 support! Hooray for compute shaders! | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | AL13N_work: ask over in ##electronics | 12:38 |
| GreatEmerald | ggabriel: For Intel HD Graphics, but not for Intel GMA | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | ta | 12:39 |
| AL13N_work | SpeedEvil: too lazy :-) | 12:39 |
| AL13N_work | or i don't care enough | 12:39 |
| faenil | sharpneli: any new evidence about SoC? | 12:40 |
| sharpneli | No :( | 12:40 |
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| ggabriel | this is like the phone campaign | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | you bet it's gonna be good | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | except that it's way cheaper than the phone | 12:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | I guess no ToH connecotrs this time | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | which is a pity from my POV - but I guess ~0% of customers used them | 12:42 |
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| aupo | This is how you dig a hole for yourself: No money, no income, lets contribute to Jolla Tablet! $204 that I never hadout of the window <3 | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:46 |
| Nicd- | aupo: + shipping! | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | is this no money/no income thing a known fact? | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | or just a rumor initiated by the competition? | 12:47 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: I think aupo meant themself | 12:47 |
| simbrown | AL13N_work: Yeah, if I want to get it for "work" it has to be the right GPU | 12:47 |
| Nicd- | not jolla | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | oic | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | not sure how you spend money that you don't have | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | oh yeah, credit :P | 12:48 |
| aupo | Nicd-: Aww dammit! | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | but then it's an investment coz you can sell it on ebay | 12:48 |
| aupo | ggabriel: Exactly, credit card! | 12:48 |
| aupo | What a lovely thing to have if you want to end up in trouble :D | 12:49 |
| ggabriel | you need a credit card with 0% interest for a while tho | 12:49 |
| aupo | Hmm, actually. I didn't even add the $20. That... seems like a brutish mistake on my part. Lets read the FAQ I guess.... | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | just buy the $20 with same name/address | 12:50 |
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| aupo | Yah, whew. | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | the "gift" thing is misleading | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | as ultimately you want something in return | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | ah well | 12:51 |
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| ruskie | so where do people think the numbers will stop at... | 12:51 |
| Naranek | btw we're pretty close to breaking $500 000 | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | ~10k funders | 12:52 |
| aupo | There we go. | 12:52 |
| sharpneli | Yaay! | 12:52 |
| aupo | Well, lets see... We're still on the first day... How many hours has it been so far? | 12:52 |
| sharpneli | I really love how people barely know what's it's going to be like and still buy it :D | 12:52 |
| ruskie | 4 hours iirc | 12:53 |
| sharpneli | I did so too naturally :p | 12:53 |
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| ggabriel | sharpneli: you mean like the phone? :) | 12:53 |
| ruskie | sharpneli, well I think a lot of people have trust/faith in jolla to deliver something great | 12:53 |
| RaYmAn | tbh, it's sufficiently cheap that it's not a huge loss if it doens't fully live up to expectations | 12:53 |
| sharpneli | Yap | 12:54 |
| sharpneli | 'sides. I need a development platform for tablet stuff. And all others are major PITA to code for. | 12:54 |
| ruskie | hehe | 12:54 |
| PaulePanter | Hi. Is the announced tablet going to use coreboot? | 12:54 |
| PaulePanter | https://coreboot.org/ | 12:54 |
| _inte_ | Would be cool, indeed | 12:55 |
| aupo | So in 4 hours we've bought 2236 tablets... | 12:55 |
| PaulePanter | If not, how are the timing from pressing the button to the boot loader and then log in screen. | 12:55 |
| anYc | there is not much information so far | 12:55 |
| aupo | And given that right now the $204 perk doesn't seem to be rapidly rising, I'd say we've already gone through the majority of early purchases... | 12:56 |
| SK_work | PaulePanter: I guess, maybe they will use an android like bootloader | 12:56 |
| _inte_ | aupo: wait until the US wakes up:) | 12:57 |
| kirma | most potential US customers are probably asleep. | 12:57 |
| Naranek | give it time... people in different timezones might be sleeping or just not so actively following the situation | 12:57 |
| aupo | True! :) | 12:57 |
| SK_work | or maybe UEFI | 12:57 |
| SK_work | it is not delivered to us | 12:57 |
| entil | and even if no one else cared enough to contribute through igg half a million bucks should float jolla for a while | 12:57 |
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| _inte_ | still not mentioned at heise.de. I only wonder if thouse folks are somewhat mad at Jolla since Jolla doesnt do adverts.... | 12:58 |
| Laxtlo | i think is slowing down... | 12:59 |
| PaulePanter | SK_work: I hope coreboot will be chosen over UEFI. | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | huh, how did I miss the tablet thing | 12:59 |
| Tomo | blah, disappointed by the tablet :( | 12:59 |
| Laxtlo | usa is apple wolr | 12:59 |
| Laxtlo | world | 13:00 |
| Laxtlo | they will not buy jolla | 13:00 |
| aupo | Hm hm hm. | 13:00 |
| ballock | and $500k gained | 13:00 |
| Naranek | and... it's over $500 000 | 13:00 |
| _inte_ | 500k | 13:00 |
| Naranek | :) | 13:00 |
| _inte_ | :) | 13:00 |
| ballock | got it first :) | 13:00 |
| GreatEmerald | Finally Phoronix wrote about it | 13:00 |
| Naranek | dammit ;) | 13:00 |
| aupo | Hard to find any reliable statistics on how Indiegogo/Kickstarter pledges usually evolve... | 13:00 |
| _inte_ | ballock: hehe | 13:01 |
| _inte_ | Laxtlo: the majority wont, but there are plenty of geeks there waiting for a true Linux tablet | 13:02 |
| _inte_ | I would guess Jolla will sell some devices there for sure | 13:03 |
| aupo | Quick and dirty estimate with only minimal backing from actual data: I'd say that the campaign will end up somewhere around $850k | 13:03 |
| _inte_ | They will probably have to add another batch tonight | 13:03 |
| Laxtlo | _inte_ : Thats true ! Geeks are everywere :) | 13:04 |
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| aupo | Hmm, though that may be a little low of an estimate, would mean that they don't even sell this third batch completely. | 13:05 |
| AL13N_work | i'm guessing the next batch will have june 2014 as date | 13:06 |
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| AL13N_work | i wonder if the next batch (maybe 3k) will be 209€ | 13:07 |
| marinaio | AL13N_work: june 2015? | 13:07 |
| AL13N_work | marinaio: maybe :-) | 13:07 |
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| ShadowJK | What's up with indiegogo's address thing... | 13:08 |
| covox | AL13N_work: $209 you mean? | 13:09 |
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| AL13N_work | ok, so, i can't think/type | 13:11 |
| AL13N_work | thought with taxes and shipping it's around that | 13:12 |
| lbt | tax is extra | 13:12 |
| ruskie | hehe | 13:12 |
| lbt | indiegogo isn't quite able to do the calcs based on region :/ | 13:13 |
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| RaYmAn | lbt: extra how? Does Jolla charge them or is it like "usual" where the receivers post service charge it? | 13:14 |
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| lbt | I'm not 100% sure - I think there'll be a shop-like system at some point. Essentially it'll need to be paid before shipping afaiui. | 13:15 |
| lbt | the FAQ mentions it I think | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Where does the tablet ship from? | 13:16 |
| _inte_ | So the Intel tablet suggests the Jolla2 will be Intel too... | 13:16 |
| _inte_ | Thats cool :) | 13:16 |
| ar | huh, $510k | 13:16 |
| lbt | goddam ... stop already! | 13:16 |
| * lbt sees cybette winning this bet ... | 13:17 | |
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| ballock | lbt: what was the bet about? | 13:17 |
| lbt | just numbers in the first day :D | 13:17 |
| meklu | :D | 13:17 |
| meklu | wouldn't that be a good thing then? :) | 13:18 |
| lbt | not for me! | 13:18 |
| lbt | buy them tomorrow! | 13:18 |
| tadzik | :D | 13:18 |
| meklu | :D | 13:18 |
| meklu | too late! | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, Well, the money seems to go to "Jolla Asia Limited" | 13:19 |
| RaYmAn | ShadowJK: that's hardly makes shipping from asia a fact. | 13:19 |
| RaYmAn | I guess Jolla might not know yet *shrug* | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | No of course, they'll ship from Antarctica, duh ;p | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | via polar bear immigrants | 13:20 |
| lbt | RaYmAn: logistics are flexible and depend on a lot of things (I found out) | 13:20 |
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| lbt | they also change over the life of a product and company | 13:20 |
| lbt | (I also found out) | 13:21 |
| RaYmAn | lbt: fair enough. it's just a pretty big difference for e.g. european buyers whether it's shipped from within EU or not. | 13:21 |
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| _inte_ | I only wonder why they didnt ad a shirt or one of these nice jolla hats | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - same point as raY - VAT | 13:21 |
| * trigpoint would have ordered one if they guaranteed to ship from within the EU | 13:21 | |
| tbr | RaYmAn: only if it's delivered on terms other than DDP | 13:21 |
| _inte_ | like with the phone | 13:21 |
| AL13N_work | if i was jolla, i'd ship EU destinations from finland and asia stuff from hong kong | 13:22 |
| RaYmAn | tbr: how so? It's a ton cheaper for me if Jolla imports it bulk and pays taxes then ships it to me from within EU. | 13:22 |
| entil | if I was jolla I wouldn't employ anyone in this decrepit country, much less manufacture anything ;P | 13:22 |
| trigpoint | AL13N_work So would I | 13:22 |
| RaYmAn | tbr: because VAT. | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | entil: hong kong is'nt a country | 13:23 |
| SK_work | lbt: what's cybette's bet ? | 13:23 |
| entil | AL13N_work: I don't know what that means, but everything's _real_ expensive in .fi | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, RaYmAn: The only difference is who pays the VAT, if they ship from inside EU, Jolla is the one that has to deal with the taxman. If they ship from outside EU, with courier, then the courier will act middleman between recipient and taxman. If they ship from outside EU through mail system, then there's a chance the parcel goes through customs without customs caring, or then customs will want money from recipient.. I'm guessing in any case, since | 13:23 |
| AL13N_work | oh, .fi | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | it will most likely be manufactured in china, that only chinese escape VAT? :P | 13:23 |
| trigpoint | If they ship from Finland then there is no import duty to pay | 13:23 |
| tbr | RaYmAn: you didn't understand my statement apparently | 13:24 |
| entil | but manufacturing here would be so expensive no one would ever afford anything | 13:24 |
| lbt | RaYmAn: I think I read that only VAT is payable in the EU - I'll see if we can get that clarified | 13:24 |
| trigpoint | If it comes from outside the EU then there is the risk of high charges to pay | 13:24 |
| tbr | RaYmAn: DDP means whatever money you paid to jolla is it, there is no further payment of taxes or duties | 13:24 |
| tbr | note that nowhere it states the terms of delivery | 13:24 |
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| RaYmAn | tbr: they clearly state "No, contributors must pay any taxes and duties related to the selected destination country." | 13:25 |
| tbr | RaYmAn: ok, that's the long version of saying DDP | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | https://www.google.co.uk/search?site=&source=hp&q=%28%28204%2B20%29*1.05*1.2%29+dollars+in+pounds&oq=%28%28204%2B20%29*1.05*1.2%29+dollars+in+pounds&gs_l=hp.3..33i21.5514.128460.0.128591.53.44.5.0.0.2.552.7648.2-17j4j2j2.25.0....0...1c.1.58.hp..40.13.3467.0.EbraoNQxH1Y | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | For the UK | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | 179.87 | 13:26 |
| AL13N_work | well, i'm not worried, jolla was reasonable with shipping with the phone, no reason it would be different with the tablet | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably with 10 quid on top of that brokerage fee for customs and VAT duties | 13:26 |
| Venemo | hm | 13:27 |
| Venemo | 136% | 13:27 |
| Venemo | hats off | 13:27 |
| AL13N_work | the trending has slowed down | 13:28 |
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| lbt | dr_gogeta86: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204228083 has duplicate payment info | 13:30 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | lbt | 13:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is ok | 13:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | now | 13:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i wanna 2 tabs | 13:31 |
| lbt | haha :) | 13:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | on late october i've sent jolla vaucher to my boss | 13:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | he bought it | 13:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | this morning i've talked about the tab and the double payment | 13:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | no problem I got the second :-D | 13:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *i'll get the second one | 13:34 |
| meklu | :O | 13:35 |
| meklu | nice | 13:35 |
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| meklu | "Simila" "5MB Camera" | 13:36 |
| meklu | that zendesk thing has a few issues :) | 13:36 |
| _inte_ | One more thing: Does Whatsapp including Textsecure in the future mean Mitakuulu will also? | 13:37 |
| entil | _inte_: mitakuuluu is dead, textsecure needs to be done as a separate project | 13:38 |
| SK_work | coderus said no support for mitakuuluu, no questions so ... | 13:39 |
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| entil | which reminds me, I was supposed to email them | 13:39 |
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| _inte_ | entil: no i meant whatsapp is using textsecure encryption in the future | 13:40 |
| _inte_ | SK_work: well yes, but coderus is also working on a successor | 13:40 |
| entil | _inte_: coderus pointed out that the textsecure encryption is old news and has nothing to do with the death of mitakuuluu :/ | 13:40 |
| _inte_ | mitakuuluu 3? | 13:40 |
| entil | he is? what? where? | 13:40 |
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| _inte_ | read it elsewhere | 13:40 |
| SK_work | _inte_: is him ? | 13:41 |
| _inte_ | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 13:41 |
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| _inte_ | Mitakuuluu project closed. No further development for current codebase. New client will be written and released in new year. | 13:41 |
| _inte_ | thats what that site says | 13:41 |
| _inte_ | probably hoax | 13:41 |
| _inte_ | :) | 13:41 |
| _inte_ | no i dont know | 13:42 |
| entil | oh yeah that | 13:42 |
| entil | big risk implementing a new client | 13:42 |
| entil | also last I asked him he had zero interest in textsecure | 13:42 |
| _inte_ | well he needs to implement textsecure encryption anyways | 13:43 |
| _inte_ | since whatsapp will rely on it | 13:43 |
| entil | https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Server/wiki/API-Protocol does not speak about websocket | 13:43 |
| Armadillo | the problem is, that there's very much work to do on mitakuuluu and he is left alone with the problems, because there are no more developers who support with more and better code | 13:44 |
| entil | wtf, it's whatsapp who's blocking 3rd party clients | 13:44 |
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| entil | and it _kinda_ makes sense they would, in case I would use a closed-source or modified mitakuuluu that sends data to a random 3rd party | 13:48 |
| entil | and then sharpneli and I send each other the usual kind of content but he doesn't know I'm leaking everything | 13:48 |
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| Naranek | what's the situation with WhatsApp Android client on top of the Jolla Android layer? | 13:48 |
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| entil | no idea, not caring | 13:49 |
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| _inte_ | how does whatsapp recognize mitakuuluu at all? | 13:50 |
| Nicd- | because mitakuuluu has protocol bugs | 13:50 |
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| _inte_ | ah, the jolla tablet is at heise.de eventually | 13:51 |
| Sail0r | golem.de too | 13:51 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: I would not say bugs.. if it's missing part of the protocol implementation which it is advertising. :) | 13:52 |
| entil | it's enough for whatsapp to know to block | 13:52 |
| flux | it would be easy for whatsapp to add some features allowing them to detect non-whatsapp clients | 13:53 |
| flux | well, assuming the adversary is not willing to reverse-engineer all whatsapp clients and their updates | 13:53 |
| flux | (it's not enough to just watch the traffic) | 13:54 |
| entil | or not able to reverse fast enough, as happened last time around | 13:54 |
| flux | well, whatsapp cannot enforce everyone to upgrade immediately anyway, can they? | 13:54 |
| flux | so it stands to reason either they had the client detection features there all along, or they were not properly reimplemented. of course, reimplementing precisely without a specification is quite difficult.. | 13:55 |
| entil | mitakuuluu has to identify as the latest android client | 13:55 |
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| entil | and/or match its protocol implementation to its identification | 13:55 |
| ballock | What about otherhalves for tablet? | 13:56 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: what kind of bugs and is there a way to avoid them? | 13:56 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: I mean, for the user | 13:56 |
| _inte_ | like e.g. not using certain status | 13:56 |
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| _inte_ | or sth | 13:57 |
| flux | I doubt nobody even knows where the bugs are | 13:57 |
| flux | well, except for whatsapp perhaps. | 13:57 |
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| coderus | _inte_: whatsapp using textsecure encryption protocol, it's not *including* textsecure. | 13:57 |
| Tofe | Didn't they underestimate a bit the thing ? :) | 13:57 |
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| _inte_ | coderus: yes I know | 14:00 |
| Nicd- | I sure hope the jolla tablet helps the ecosystem grow and brings attention to sailfish os even from big companies like whatsapp | 14:00 |
| Nicd- | so we can get native apps | 14:01 |
| _inte_ | which does nevertheless mean that you would also have to implement it if you want to make a mitakuuluu 3 | 14:01 |
| coderus | flux: well, we have nice decryption proxy for whatsapp and can listen traffic with official clients :) | 14:01 |
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| flux | coderus, yes, but let's say some day they send a message never seen before to all clients | 14:01 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 14:01 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: yep:) | 14:01 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: I hope too | 14:01 |
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| flux | coderus, and if they fail to respond correctly -> ban | 14:01 |
| coderus | _inte_: sure, but *I* have no free time to do it | 14:01 |
| flux | coderus, there is no way to prepare for that, except reverse engineering the client | 14:01 |
| _inte_ | coderus: I understand that | 14:01 |
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| flux | well, maybe disconnect at that point and never reconnect until a new upgrade has been issued :) | 14:02 |
| entil | what's that? whatsapp decrypts all traffic? | 14:02 |
| _inte_ | but it was (presumably) you who wrote that a successor is in the makings :) | 14:02 |
| entil | so end-to-end encryption is not there? | 14:02 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 14:02 |
| coderus | its opensource project, but since it was launched (one year ago) i got support just once from BasilSemuonov to fix some bits | 14:02 |
| _inte_ | coderus: at least this is whats written at openrepos | 14:02 |
| coderus | nobody cares about supporting | 14:02 |
| coderus | just wanted to use working product | 14:02 |
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| _inte_ | im not a programmer | 14:02 |
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| AL13N_work | nobody cares about security neither | 14:03 |
| _inte_ | but i help where i can | 14:03 |
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| Acce | everyone who likes whatsapp is not a programmer? :) | 14:03 |
| _inte_ | i reported the cpu-bug a couple of times SCNR | 14:03 |
| entil | item 1) figure out the websockets on textsecure-server and implement the protocol in qt | 14:03 |
| Acce | or maybe they're programmers with no time? | 14:03 |
| entil | item 2) steal mitakuuluu ui and combine with item 1 | 14:03 |
| entil | item 3) ship it | 14:03 |
| coderus | entil: yes, all whatsapp traffic can be decrypted easily | 14:04 |
| entil | I'd love to start work on that but I don't have the time | 14:04 |
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| coderus | thats why they implementing end-to-end encryption for text messages | 14:04 |
| entil | coderus: that's not what it sounds like when they write about end-to-end encryption etc | 14:04 |
| coderus | entil: only messages texts are encrypted really | 14:04 |
| coderus | protocol nodes encrypted just for lulz, to hide real data from average traffic stealers | 14:05 |
| entil | coderus: I guess the simplest question is whether or not whatsapp/facebook (the companies) read text messages with the encryption in place, ie. does it also get encrypted for a master key which they have | 14:06 |
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| coderus | entil: most likely | 14:07 |
| coderus | challenge keys generated on server | 14:08 |
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| coderus | and if you start listening all whatsapp traffic from time client first start launched whatsapp application on phone you can read all data with all messages | 14:08 |
| entil | so the whisper systems crypto in whatsapp is essentially bullshit? | 14:09 |
| coderus | (*in case you have account password which is also generated by server) | 14:09 |
| coderus | entil: no | 14:09 |
| coderus | entil: current whatsapp encryption is bullshit | 14:09 |
| coderus | not new whispersystems one | 14:09 |
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| GreatEmerald | Why not just use Tox :P | 14:10 |
| coderus | there are two levels of encryption now: | 14:10 |
| Nicd- | GreatEmerald: no clients | 14:10 |
| coderus | 1. streams encryption | 14:10 |
| entil | makes you wonder why a) whatsapp would want better encryption b) whisper systems would give it to the competition | 14:10 |
| coderus | 2. text encryption | 14:10 |
| coderus | entil: whispersystems opensource stuff | 14:10 |
| faenil | GreatEmerald: +1 | 14:10 |
| coderus | so why not to earn more money | 14:10 |
| GreatEmerald | Nicd-: There were quite a few clients last I checked | 14:10 |
| entil | a) is simple enough, just encrypt it also for whatsapp's key, so they can read your messages despite being end-to-end encrypted | 14:10 |
| faenil | but no mobile clients supporting audio/video | 14:10 |
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| entil | coderus: and that's point b) _kind of_, because it's still the competition | 14:11 |
| coderus | for now you can use latest android whatsapp on both sides and all your private conversation would be secured | 14:11 |
| faenil | it is barely supported by desktop clients | 14:11 |
| coderus | group messages are not secured yet | 14:11 |
| GreatEmerald | faenil: Yeap, but then it's WIP, it'll get there | 14:11 |
| entil | coderus: are you sure whatsapp would not read latest android whatsapp messages? | 14:11 |
| coderus | because need to exchange big amount of keys or generate keys per-conversation | 14:11 |
| Nicd- | GreatEmerald: a great number of nightlies that barely support messaging currently | 14:11 |
| coderus | entil: its impossible | 14:11 |
| Nicd- | can't tell my wife to jailbreak her iphone to get a bleeding edge client to chat with me | 14:12 |
| coderus | it's end-to-end encryption | 14:12 |
| coderus | your keys are on your phone | 14:12 |
| entil | coderus: so if I send you a picture of the goatse guy on (latest android) whatsapp and you report me, they'll have no way of verifying this? | 14:12 |
| coderus | unless someone steal your phone, root it and get your keys youre safe | 14:12 |
| entil | or pictures are probably not encrypted... say I harass you with ascii goatse | 14:12 |
| coderus | entil: media is not encrypted of course | 14:13 |
| faenil | GreatEmerald: sure...eventually.. | 14:13 |
| _inte_ | Does Textsecure require a Masterkey? (unlike e.g. Tox or ricochet) | 14:13 |
| coderus | and also stored on servers without any access restrictions :D | 14:13 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: Then you could do it for here :) | 14:13 |
| entil | coderus: that's semantic, I meant that whatsapp inc might have some legitimate reasons to access the messages (by its own terms of service) | 14:13 |
| Nicd- | _inte_: you missed the point | 14:14 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: I got it :) | 14:14 |
| coderus | _inte_: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure/wiki/Protocol | 14:14 |
| silver_hook | I’m not a fan of tablets, but congratulations Sailors on the the successful funding as well as getting it so far! | 14:14 |
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| _inte_ | coderus: I dont quite understand that. Key exchange, and then fingerprint comparison through a different channel, just as ususal | 14:16 |
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| _inte_ | where is the Masterkey? | 14:16 |
| coderus | what master key? | 14:18 |
| coderus | both clients generating keys itself and exchanging | 14:18 |
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| entil | wonder how whatsapp can make enough money off the metadata who's communicating with whom and the fact they're terrorists because they encrypt their messages | 14:21 |
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| _inte_ | coderus: yes exactely but how could whatsapp or whoever intercept communication then? | 14:24 |
| _inte_ | entil: funny enough, then every whatsapp user will be a terrorist:) | 14:25 |
| faenil | _inte_: I think you got it wrong, coderus says the current widespread whatsapp is broken, not the one featuring TextSecure | 14:25 |
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| entil | _inte_: yes, and when they file complaints against other users, whatsapp will not be able to investigate, so none of this makes any sense | 14:26 |
| entil | textsecure is at least honest about all this; it's encrypted and no one cares about complaints | 14:26 |
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| Naranek | if The Authorities suspect that you're doing something illegal and want to tap your communications, they can still hack into phone. This just prevents the dragnet surveillance. | 14:28 |
| * Stskeeps reads backlog | 14:29 | |
| entil | that's different from me annoying coderus with ascii goatse art, but then again he should probably just block me, and not cause whatsapp to block my account | 14:29 |
| rubdos | Congratulations with the funding guys! Awesome ;) | 14:29 |
| entil | also! media should be encrypted as well, and I think most harassment charges would be based on jpeg goatse, not ascii goatse | 14:29 |
| entil | Stskeeps: congrats! | 14:29 |
| juergbi | ah, maybe Stskeeps can tell use something definitive about the GPU :) | 14:30 |
| juergbi | *us | 14:30 |
| Jope | it's a PU and it does G | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | juergbi: people are making lousy guesses | 14:31 |
| entil | I thought the tablet was the strongest guess everyone was making | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | also, it really depends on what people are going for: libhybris levels the playing field and lessens the harm of certain gpu types | 14:32 |
| faenil | Stskeeps comes to the rescue | 14:32 |
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| juergbi | it depends. i don't know what ABI Android uses on Atom tablets | 14:32 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Now that ES3.1 is mandated minimum on new Android devices will we see it on the upcoming Jolla tablet? | 14:33 |
| SK_work | and why use libhybris and android stuff when you have a more standard pc architecture ? | 14:33 |
| juergbi | i'd expect x32 to make a lot of sense on tablets | 14:33 |
| _inte_ | Naranek: probably a bit more difficult on a Jolla phone I presume | 14:33 |
| ln- | a-ha, my colleague mentioned that the gift value got reset if one failed to enter the second address line and igg complained about it. | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: the intel soc world is a bit different.. | 14:33 |
| juergbi | and if Android doesn't use that, powervr would be a huge disadvantage | 14:33 |
| _inte_ | but rather due to the low distribution than due to higher security | 14:33 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: ha ? | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: uefi, while yes, its a pc architecture, it also differs in some ways | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | more embedded-ish | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | also, we are not in the business for doing hw adaptation of the kind that differs per hardware, we are in busienss of doing greate experience | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | s | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | damned lag | 14:36 |
| juergbi | Stskeeps: so, as we are lousy guessers, what GPU is it now? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow: i am happy with the hardware in that thing and i think you would be too. | 14:37 |
| juergbi | or is it intentionally kept a secret? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | no, just to make sure that the right information is passed around it has to come through the campaign :) | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | we've been out in slush all day so | 14:38 |
| Naranek | _inte_: I think so too. The off-the-shelf stuff won't work, but I don't think that Sailfish is in any way bulletproof. The baseband is a great unknown though. | 14:38 |
| juergbi | ah ok, i'm hopeful that we'll soon get an official response, then | 14:38 |
| _inte_ | ok, have fun. bbl | 14:39 |
| Dima^ | entil: did you ment me or som other guy named Dima ? | 14:40 |
| Dima^ | *some | 14:40 |
| entil | Dima^: are you developing the browser for jolla?-) | 14:40 |
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| Dima^ | nope :) | 14:40 |
| entil | yeah, actually checked your realname, wrong dima ;P | 14:40 |
| Dima^ | :) | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | juergbi: it is also that strictly speaking with more funding some things may change, like for example tohkbd had the option to let all people get coloured kbds of choice, it all comes down to scale | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes, for example with jolla1 we had option between bog standard msm8930aa vs msm8930 or how was it, fitting in same SW and same HW | 14:42 |
| juergbi | Stskeeps: i understand. in an interview it was mentioned that hardware was already fixed, though | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | but i would be really unhappy to change gpu during development.. we did that from mali to qcom | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | juergbi: i've not read things yet :) just explaining why i might be cautious about what i am saying | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | i hope this product can be really transparent in development and i'll do my part to make it so | 14:43 |
| juergbi | that's good to hear, thanks | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | it is much different when it is a crowdfunding campaign, different expectations :) | 14:44 |
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| faenil | :) | 14:44 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: haha, good news | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | but for now my back hurts like hell after standing up for so long | 14:47 |
| SK_work | btw, there are already multiple complains about marketing guys saying open source when it's not btw | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: fair | 14:47 |
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| SK_work | as usual | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: not even ubuntu is open source when shipping.. but agreed | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | the HAL screws everything up for everybody | 14:48 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: not speaking about the HAL here, but about UI and stuff | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 14:50 |
| SK_work | the visible part, you know | 14:50 |
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| SK_work | same for the privacy concern | 14:51 |
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| SK_work | how can people be sure that Jolla don't do spying when you don't know what's in your drivers, baseband, and homescreen | 14:51 |
| SK_work | so ... maybe the truth, but nobody knows | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:52 |
| Teemu | baseband seems to be always closet sourced | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 14:52 |
| Teemu | it's not like you have much of a choice in phones or tablets | 14:52 |
| locusf | even Nemo doesn't help much on that, ofono will use ril for calls etc | 14:52 |
| SK_work | Teemu: indeed | 14:52 |
| SK_work | on a tablet though, you might be able to build something 100% oss | 14:52 |
| Teemu | on a wifi tablet, yes | 14:53 |
| SK_work | (I had this infamous iconia tab on which I run a 100% OSS Mer) | 14:53 |
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| SK_work | well, maybe not recent ones, as Stskeeps said that intel SOC are "strange" and closer to embedded | 14:53 |
| Teemu | as soon as you put a cellular connection in there you have a dsp full of closets | 14:53 |
| SK_work | but this old and clunky iconia tab was quite nice | 14:53 |
| SK_work | had bios, and and an AMD soc | 14:53 |
| anYc | afaik, the neo900 at least keeps the modem separated | 14:54 |
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| SK_work | anYc: how does they do this ? | 14:55 |
| Teemu | anYc: it's a lot easier that way but many phone socs have the modem in reality as separate as that, it just happens to be in the same resin package as the actual soc chip | 14:55 |
| SK_work | ie what do you mean ? | 14:55 |
| Teemu | SK_work: i'm guessing he means that the baseband processor is a separate chip on the pcb | 14:55 |
| Teemu | doesn't differ architecturally from a soc where the baseband just happens to be another chip on the multi-chip-package that to outside appears as a huge monolithic bga package | 14:56 |
| SK_work | ok | 14:57 |
| SK_work | Teemu: is the baseband stuff oss ? | 14:57 |
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| Teemu | i've never heard of such | 14:58 |
| Teemu | nobody i know has | 14:58 |
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| Teemu | there are no oss baseband solutions for cellular | 14:59 |
| Teemu | there might be for wifi | 14:59 |
| locusf | what about osmocombb? | 14:59 |
| anYc | SK_work Teemu http://neo900.org/faq#privacy | 14:59 |
| Nicd- | osmocombb seems to work on like 5 ancient devices that nobody uses... | 15:00 |
| SK_work | good | 15:00 |
| Jope | isn't it nice that we have choices | 15:00 |
| SK_work | no ram shared | 15:00 |
| SK_work | god god god | 15:00 |
| SK_work | good | 15:00 |
| SK_work | s/god/good | 15:00 |
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| Teemu | anYc: yes, that same separation can be had on some (not all) chipsets even in case of multichip packaging | 15:05 |
| Teemu | it just depends on if the baseband chip power can be externally controlled | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | there are open-source solutions - but only ridiculously sized and expensive - SDR basd | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | based | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | The very simplest way to make sure the cellular modem of your device is not enabled is to buy the new jolla tablet | 15:07 |
| Teemu | :) | 15:08 |
| Teemu | very good selling point! | 15:08 |
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| AL13N_work | hmm, jolla store is a bit inaccessible | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: works for me | 15:16 |
| ggabriel | and still no spare battery :P | 15:16 |
| Kiranos_ | jolla employueeds: congrats on the indiegogo campaign! | 15:16 |
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| sledges | thanks :D | 15:18 |
| Jope | <3 | 15:18 |
| Jope | cheers | 15:18 |
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| AL13N_work | ggabriel: i mean the app, not the store to buy something :-) | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | i get "Loading apps" and it stays there | 15:20 |
| AL13N_work | internet works, btw :-) | 15:20 |
| AL13N_work | i checked | 15:20 |
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| ggabriel | AL13N_work: works for me | 15:21 |
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| AL13N_work | :-( | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | still not for me | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | both wifi and 4G | 15:21 |
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| rypervenche | Will lipstick ever be released with an open source license? | 15:25 |
| ballock | $600k reached, over 150% target, I'd say this is more successful than Ubuntu Edge | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | ubuntu what? | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | :) | 15:26 |
| ruskie | lol | 15:27 |
| cryorat | ballock, no doubt, but ubuntu edge has an over a million USD goal | 15:27 |
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| ggabriel | i think it was a lot more than 1m | 15:27 |
| Armadillo | wasn't it 8m or something like that? | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | i thought it was 3m | 15:28 |
| ryukafalz | rypervenche: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | can't remember | 15:28 |
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| ballock | $32m | 15:28 |
| ryukafalz | rypervenche: The Sailfish UI isn't open source, but the underlying framework it uses is | 15:28 |
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| AL13N_work | ggabriel: still nothing | 15:29 |
| ryukafalz | Wake up to find a successful crowdfunding campaign overnight... wow | 15:29 |
| ballock | but only 40% of the target reached | 15:29 |
| AL13N_work | overnight... just a bit over 2hours | 15:30 |
| ryukafalz | urgh, I'm very tempted, but I've already splurged too much recently x.x | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | ryukafalz: return the stuff that you acquired recently | 15:30 |
| ryukafalz | ggabriel: afraid that was also crowdfunding so not possible :P | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: wrt to store, are you useing ipv4 or ipv6? | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: def ipv4 | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | ryukafalz: lol :) | 15:30 |
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| AL13N_work | hmm, me too | 15:31 |
| AL13N_work | anyone know what the store url is again? | 15:31 |
| AL13N_work | maybe there's a routing issue again | 15:31 |
| rypervenche | ryukafalz: And I'm getting they don't plan on opening the UI in the future? | 15:32 |
| lukedirtwalker | we should make an offline mapping kickstarter :D | 15:32 |
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| AL13N_work | can't ping store-api.jolla.com from here | 15:32 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: you? | 15:32 |
| AL13N_work | rypervenche: there's still doubt | 15:33 |
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| AL13N_work | rypervenche: iiuc it's not a definate no | 15:33 |
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| ryukafalz | rypervenche: ^ right, it's not a definite no, but it doesn't seem like they're planning to do so anytime soon. There is however an alternate UI in development called Glacier. | 15:34 |
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| ryukafalz | rypervenche: Concept art for it: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 15:34 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: i tcpdumped my LAN ip and looked at firewall... but when starting store, it doesn't do anything over the internet (browsing does) | 15:36 |
| AL13N_work | so, does this mean the store is stuck somehow | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: maybe, can't help much there, but vaguely recall that this used to happen | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | maybe restart a service or the device | 15:37 |
| ryukafalz | AL13N_work: Hmm, I would try and figure out how the application is supposed to be contacting the server | 15:37 |
| * ryukafalz fires up tcpdump over here | 15:38 | |
| AL13N_work | hmm, not a dns issue either | 15:38 |
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| Aard | hm. " // this is a workaround for upgrading existing devices to | 15:39 |
| Aard | // Jolla sales setup. it should be removed in a few weeks" | 15:39 |
| ryukafalz | looks like it's hosted on ec2 | 15:39 |
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| Aard | that's from november 8, 2013. I guess few weeks are over :) | 15:39 |
| ryukafalz | ec2-54-171-44-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com.https | 15:40 |
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| ryukafalz | and server-54-230-52-224.jfk6.r.cloudfront.net.https | 15:41 |
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| AL13N_work | hmm, i got something in journalctl | 15:42 |
| AL13N_work | Store::RequestProxy::slotReplyFinished:119 "Host store-api.jolla.com not found" | 15:43 |
| ryukafalz | AL13N_work: Can you resolve that domain manually from your Jolla? | 15:44 |
| AL13N_work | but, i'm not using a proxy | 15:44 |
| AL13N_work | yup | 15:44 |
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| ryukafalz | I think the "proxy" bit there isn't a network proxy but rather a proxy model type thing | 15:45 |
| * AL13N_work too | 15:45 | |
| AL13N_work | but | 15:45 |
| AL13N_work | i can even curl the full url without troubles | 15:45 |
| AL13N_work | plus | 15:45 |
| AL13N_work | host not found looks like dns issue | 15:45 |
| * ryukafalz agrees | 15:46 | |
| ryukafalz | it's strange | 15:46 |
| AL13N_work | does dnsmasq provide dns caching? | 15:46 |
| AL13N_work | if so, i'll restart that one | 15:46 |
| ryukafalz | it does IIRC | 15:46 |
| * ryukafalz runs through his budget to see if he can afford a Jolla Tablet | 15:47 | |
| AL13N_work | hmm, no dnsmasq | 15:47 |
| AL13N_work | maybe connman does that | 15:47 |
| tigeli | connman has dnsproxy | 15:47 |
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| tigeli | but if curl works, it can't be it | 15:48 |
| AL13N_work | well, no dns proxy process is running | 15:48 |
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| AL13N_work | sounds like Qt has some kind of weird dns issue | 15:48 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: dnsproxy is running inside connmand | 15:48 |
| AL13N_work | oic | 15:48 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: you could try restarting connmand | 15:48 |
| AL13N_work | but, Host xxx not found" is a DNS reply | 15:49 |
| tigeli | but.. it does not explain that curl works :) | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | very odd | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | i haven't had this before, btw | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | whatever happens, no dns call is being done | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | or maybe wrongly | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | i'll check with tcpdump on device itself | 15:49 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: you could tcpdump lo-interface | 15:49 |
| ryukafalz | yeah, check for any traffic on port 53 locally on the device | 15:49 |
| tigeli | as connman listens 127.0.0.1:53 | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | argh, crap, no tcpdump | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | i'll have to install it from mer-tools | 15:50 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: pkcon install tcpdump | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | ah, netstat might tell me | 15:50 |
| ryukafalz | well installing from mer-tools isn't too bad :P | 15:50 |
| ryukafalz | I think it's there by default so "ssu er mer-tools" would do the trick | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | connmand is running dns though | 15:51 |
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| AL13N_work | resolv.conf is 127.0.0.1 so that's not it | 15:51 |
| AL13N_work | could the store app use a different dns server to check? | 15:52 |
| AL13N_work | hmm | 15:52 |
| * ryukafalz wonders if qt applications use different DNS settings than other applications locally | 15:52 | |
| stephg | nah | 15:53 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: (not sure, and not going to check it now) but it could use proxy coming from dhcp/wpad | 15:54 |
| ryukafalz | my advice is to install tcpdump locally - I did that long ago when trying to diagnose weird issues :P | 15:55 |
| AL13N_work | no proxy in dchp and wlan is active | 15:56 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: therefore, please check wlan->longpress ssid->edit, then select proxy configuration -> no proxy (do this, even it shows no proxy as the default is actually automatic (a bug)) | 15:56 |
| AL13N_work | i forgot pkcon refresh is needed after enabling mer-tools | 15:56 |
| * stephg reads backlog more closely as 'dns' and 'ec2' popped up in the same convo at work for the last two days | 15:56 | |
| AL13N_work | tigeli: i have access to the firewall that serves dhcp and i've set it up, i KNOW there is no proxy | 15:56 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: and you do not have wpad a-record defined on the dns-search prefix either? | 15:57 |
| AL13N_work | nope | 15:57 |
| tigeli | ok :) | 15:57 |
| tigeli | AL13N_work: well try the tcpdump ;) | 15:58 |
| AL13N_work | unless my boss did it behind my back | 15:58 |
| AL13N_work | i'm installing tcpdump | 15:58 |
| * AL13N_work goes to check | 15:58 | |
| sledges | put tablet up in stats by voting for more eyes to discover it! http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_tablet-6816.php | 16:00 |
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| AL13N_work | ah, crap, the store works now... i had left it open and now it's populated | 16:01 |
| tigeli | :) | 16:01 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 16:01 |
| AL13N_work | bah | 16:01 |
| AL13N_work | now i can't find out what the problem was | 16:02 |
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| ryukafalz | haha | 16:03 |
| ryukafalz | half-disappointment - it works now, but you don't know why it broke :P | 16:04 |
| rypervenche | AL13N_work: ryukafalz: Thanks for the info :) Just paid for a Jolla tablet, so I hope to be contributing to the community where I can in the near future :) | 16:04 |
| ryukafalz | no problem :) | 16:04 |
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| cryorat | guys, anyone knows about usb otg or other input port capabilities of the tablet? | 16:08 |
| pdanek | Do you please have link to the stream? | 16:08 |
| pdanek | I didn't see it. | 16:08 |
| cryorat | It would be perfect for work :) | 16:08 |
| pdanek | It's not on Slush youtube. | 16:08 |
| AL13N_work | shit only 1200 units left | 16:10 |
| Teemu | and the igg has been up for 8 hours? | 16:11 |
| AL13N_work | i'm going home soon, i hope i'll still have one available | 16:12 |
| ryukafalz | urgh... tablet... or food... XD | 16:12 |
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| cb400f | hmm... you get home from work and all the fun is already over ;-) ... at least I had a day off when the tohkbd kickstarter went off | 16:16 |
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| GreatEmerald | AL13N_work: Sounded like you intended to get all 1200 of them :D | 16:24 |
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| ggabriel | ummmm, they'll never get to 1m without another batch :) | 16:25 |
| * anonfriese just bought his shiny new tablet form work :) | 16:26 | |
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| pdanek | Nobody? A link? :'( | 16:30 |
| pdanek | Need to see the stream. | 16:30 |
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| louisdk | I'm really concerned about the original Jolla phone after the launch of the tablet. SailfishOS for the Jolla phone is still lacking features and have some major bugs and since the tablet has a lot more power than the phone Jolla could discontinue the phone saying it's to underpowered and they need to focus on stabilizing Sailfish for the tablet. | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | nah, sailfishos is one code line. | 16:32 |
| Acce | one line of code | 16:33 |
| SK_work | :D | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | and there are major things in the ui stuff that also improves experience of the phone | 16:33 |
| SK_work | int main (int argc, char **argv) { return runSailfish(argc, argv); } | 16:33 |
| coderus | Peoples want Jolla Tablet with 3G/LTE | 16:33 |
| artemma | Tablets are easier: no GSM antenna - no connman shit with switching connections :) | 16:33 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: I would +1 for the ambience switcher à la tablet on the phone Jolla | 16:33 |
| * pdanek cries, desperately needs to watch the stream record | 16:33 | |
| SK_work | artemma: +1 | 16:33 |
| coderus | and no i2c for Tablet? | 16:34 |
| artemma | Congrats to everybody inviolved and just fans! :) | 16:34 |
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| louisdk | I'm skipping the tablet. I don't need a oversized phone without 3G and a restricted laptop without a keyboard. I'm a person who types a lot uses my phone for small conversations and fun stuff and goes to my pc for serious stuff. | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: i don't need one either, and yet i bought it for the lulz, prolly the first time i do it | 16:36 |
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| anonfriese | yeah, really want that weather view on my events screen on jolla phone :) | 16:36 |
| * artemma admits he's bought tablet already. Still trying to rationalize | 16:36 | |
| kimmoli | no i2c :( | 16:36 |
| * artemma probably it was about "it's cheap enough to support guys and maybe something functions after all" :) | 16:37 | |
| cb400f | I'll buy it as a "reader"... phone is too small, pc/desk is not comfy enough, e-book reader is only good for e-books | 16:37 |
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| ggabriel | artemma: +1 | 16:37 |
| ggabriel | i want the jolla tablet running nokia c launcher tho | 16:37 |
| cb400f | 8 inch jolla tablet will do perfectly I expect | 16:37 |
| ggabriel | :P | 16:37 |
| * tbr could actually run sailfish now on something very close to the target platform, has a MinnowboardMax | 16:37 | |
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| tbr | that's also baytrail with intel GPU | 16:37 |
| artemma | or who knows, maybe by the tablet release time real apps become possible on Jolla and there's enough interest for at least few commercial houses\ | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | good point, i wonder what's happened with paid applications... | 16:38 |
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| pdanek | so small battery | 16:39 |
| pdanek | my tablet usage would be for reading a lot | 16:39 |
| pdanek | :/ | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | its all how you use it | 16:39 |
| artemma | $637K already and growing! /me keeps refreshing indiegogo page for fun, increases after each reload | 16:39 |
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| * artemma hopes for at least rudimentary security model to be there by tablet release. You know, so that contacts apps could be possible | 16:40 | |
| SK_work | artemma: +1 | 16:40 |
| pdanek | wait | 16:40 |
| pdanek | if this last perk for 2000 | 16:40 |
| pdanek | goes out | 16:40 |
| artemma | inter-app exchange beyond clipboard would be nice too. Like Sharing a picture to wherever for example | 16:40 |
| pdanek | no more tablets? | 16:40 |
| artemma | pdanek: I think they can add batches to indiegogo at any moment. Added one set already | 16:41 |
| tbr | they added one already, so they might add another one | 16:41 |
| tbr | it's ofc interesting marketing wise to give the illusion of scarcity | 16:41 |
| artemma | just need to make sure somebody's not sleeping by the moment previous batch runs out and there's a decision on the next batch price :) | 16:42 |
| SK_work | indeed | 16:42 |
| SK_work | they will increase the price by 10 | 16:42 |
| SK_work | and there will still be people interested | 16:42 |
| artemma | 641K. Can it get to $1M by Finnish midnight? :) | 16:42 |
| anonfriese | wonder how long it takes until it reaches 1 million :) | 16:42 |
| artemma | or at least in 24hrs | 16:42 |
| artemma | Is 2GB RAM really enough for tablet? | 16:44 |
| artemma | Jolla phone isn't that good with 1GB when apps start using it and tablet has quite some more pixels to render | 16:44 |
| AL13N_work | well, the next batch will likely be more expensive | 16:44 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: not sure | 16:45 |
| SK_work | artemma: not sure | 16:45 |
| SK_work | about 1M | 16:45 |
| SK_work | and I'm worried about 2 gigs ram too | 16:45 |
| AL13N_work | retail price is probably 249€ | 16:45 |
| SK_work | 3 gigs would be nicer | 16:45 |
| AL13N_work | so they can increase in 5€ steps | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | the damn gpu buffers in that thing is like 12mb for a fullscreen.. | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | for comparison purposes, jolla1 is 2mb | 16:45 |
| AL13N_work | well, the display might use a bit more mem, and if you ran more apps at the same time, it might too, but otoh, the phone can cope with 1G, so... | 16:46 |
| AL13N_work | i think 2G should be fine | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | qt5.2 was a strong requirement for this thing for sure | 16:46 |
| faenil | 2gb is the maximum the SoC can support, most likely | 16:46 |
| cb400f | If I want two tablets (of USD 204,-) do I place one contribution of 428 (204+204+20) or do I need to make two separate contributions? | 16:46 |
| faenil | (don't tell me about 64bit, please :P ) | 16:46 |
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| AL13N_work | 64bit does add that much overhead | 16:46 |
| AL13N_work | cb400f: good question... | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | cb400f: ask in comments maybe | 16:47 |
| AL13N_work | it's not in the FAQ | 16:47 |
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| AL13N_work | well, you need to select a perk, so i think you'll have to do 2 of them, possibly with only 1 shipping perk | 16:48 |
| pdanek | Question. | 16:50 |
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| pdanek | If I don't buy the tablet now | 16:50 |
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| pdanek | But I wait until it's released | 16:50 |
| pdanek | and people review it | 16:50 |
| pdanek | will it be sold on shop.jolla.com later on? | 16:50 |
| cb400f | yeah, thanks, I'll do that for starters... then ask in comments and maybe change my contributions later | 16:50 |
| SK_work | they said that they might not manufacture it if goal is not reached or something | 16:50 |
| pdanek | or it's one time production and that's it? | 16:50 |
| ruskie | cb400f indiegogo grabs your money immediately | 16:50 |
| oku | I would guess it will be sold in jolla store | 16:50 |
| pdanek | so I will wait | 16:50 |
| pdanek | no need to be 1st for tablet | 16:51 |
| pdanek | for jolla 2, I give you 1k now, just get it to me | 16:51 |
| Noiseless | pdanek: "Will the tablet be available also for general sale or only through Indiegogo? | 16:51 |
| Noiseless | If there is demand, we'll consider all options. In any case, the Indiegogo contributors will get the tablet first and with the lowest price at the time of delivery." | 16:51 |
| pdanek | for tablet, I will wait and buy later :) | 16:51 |
| Noiseless | ack | 16:51 |
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| cb400f | ruskie: ah, hmm | 16:51 |
| AL13N_work | it will be more expensive though | 16:51 |
| pdanek | I see | 16:51 |
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| pdanek | I think the money from tablet will also go got jolla 2 development | 16:52 |
| pdanek | already | 16:52 |
| AL13N_work | i think the money for the tablet goes towards further development, people's wages and if any left, go towards sailfishos development | 16:53 |
| coderus | isn't already? | 16:53 |
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| ggabriel | AL13N_work: i think that the expectation is that for certain perks you actually get a tablet :) | 16:54 |
| AL13N_work | i forgot the actual devices, that's where the first part of the money goes | 16:54 |
| AL13N_work | the order | 16:54 |
| AL13N_work | "the bulk order" | 16:54 |
| coderus | jolla tablet appeared as BOOM | 16:54 |
| coderus | so, Jolla2 should be already in development also :) | 16:55 |
| locusf | I think Jolla would really want that some manufacturer licenses Sailfish and then produces a phone, instead of doing another one on their own | 16:55 |
| AL13N_work | as the goal has been met well over the limit, i expect much features from sailfishos | 16:55 |
| pdanek | nah, I think Jolla expected to reach the goal so quickly, it kind of advertises itself if project is so successful | 16:55 |
| pdanek | it's better to put lower goal | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | i think jolla2 is not started, decided just maybe vaguely thought of | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | maybe | 16:56 |
| pdanek | and get it surpassed by much | 16:56 |
| pdanek | I see | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | sure | 16:56 |
| ryukafalz | well, the goal needs to be high enough to actually manufacture the product - that's the lower bound | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | 380k is probably the lower limit development to not lose any money over it if it doesn't have any features | 16:57 |
| AL13N_work | or something | 16:57 |
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| pdanek | yes | 16:57 |
| AL13N_work | i expect since there's enough money, that sailfishos gets more features | 16:57 |
| AL13N_work | i don't think new hardware is a priority for jolla | 16:58 |
| pdanek | so all these crazy boom talks like they reached 2x of goal, 3x of goal... | 16:58 |
| pdanek | maybe in the early days of crowd-funded projects, but nowadays, crowd-funding itself is marketing for the product, so if something is very quickly funded, world gets to know about it | 16:58 |
| AL13N_work | actually, if they do a jolla2, i expect a sort of crowdfunding effort, but even earlier | 16:59 |
| pdanek | so I think the sales of tablet are as expected now | 16:59 |
| pdanek | maybe | 16:59 |
| faenil | I think 380k is just a dumb value that they need to look for more funds from investors | 16:59 |
| AL13N_work | i think the sales are as expected, yes, that too | 16:59 |
| AL13N_work | maybe a bit sooner than expected, but probably when the trend stops, it stops forgood | 16:59 |
| faenil | just a proof of "hey, people want a tablet, I have the proof...do you want to make money with me?" | 17:00 |
| pdanek | there may be one more wave from people around the world who are testing mobile | 17:00 |
| pdanek | reviewers etc. | 17:00 |
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| SK_work | faenil: indeed | 17:00 |
| SK_work | just like 25M a dumb value to build hype | 17:01 |
| SK_work | look I can make this phone with huge amount of money | 17:01 |
| SK_work | do'nt forget, in 1-2 years, this phone will be reality because costs will be divided by 4 | 17:01 |
| AL13N_work | may 2015 is pretty far ahead though, i wonder how early in the development stage this is happening | 17:01 |
| pdanek | faenil: good point, I also think Jolla sees a bigger picture, they really need a big HW manufacturer behind them | 17:01 |
| pdanek | they will get there | 17:01 |
| pdanek | Firefox OS did get there and it's a shitty OS | 17:02 |
| SK_work | come on, we require more minerals (money) | 17:02 |
| AL13N_work | i think today is a good day for marketing for vendor clients for jolla | 17:02 |
| pdanek | Should I pledge the tablet or not? | 17:03 |
| pdanek | hm | 17:03 |
| pdanek | I don't really need a tablet. | 17:03 |
| pdanek | And definitely I don't need to be 1st one to get it. | 17:03 |
| ln- | that's no excuse | 17:03 |
| pdanek | But I want to support Jolla. | 17:03 |
| AL13N_work | if they can find a major deal, they would have some breathing room and get on with more sailfishos development directly | 17:03 |
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| pdanek | I will just support with 10 bucks | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | i don't want a tablet, tbh, i don't see the need | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | but my wife wants one | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | so, it might as well be a jolla tablet, at least it'll be useful | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | tbh, i didn't think prices of tablets would go down to this price range | 17:05 |
| ruskie | and very nice looking | 17:05 |
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| pdanek | ok | 17:05 |
| ln- | there would be so few nice gadgets if everyone was rationally basing their purchases on "need". | 17:05 |
| pdanek | I will just send them 10 bucks | 17:05 |
| pdanek | and if the tablet will be any good | 17:05 |
| AL13N_work | at the start of jolla i had expected a tablet for like 500€ | 17:05 |
| pdanek | someone will sell it to me as 2nd hand | 17:05 |
| pdanek | deal? | 17:05 |
| pdanek | deal | 17:05 |
| NRKA | can the wifi be set in monitor mode? | 17:05 |
| SK_work | NRKA: too early to ask ... | 17:06 |
| AL13N_work | NRKA: i don't think the chipset is known, and may even change, but since it's intel, imho chances are good | 17:06 |
| AL13N_work | NRKA: you would do well to make a tjc post though | 17:06 |
| pdanek | ln-: But I'm minimalst, I try to keep number of things owned by myself on minimum, you should see my flat, it's nearly empty :D gives me fake feeling of freedom | 17:06 |
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| SK_work | :D | 17:07 |
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| SK_work | pdanek: and it is a better way to manage your life than owning several useless gadgets ... | 17:07 |
| sardini | hello, I wonder if 7,85 is enough to read comics... anyone ? | 17:07 |
| SK_work | I love my N950, but since I transitionned on the Jolla, it has been gathering dust | 17:07 |
| SK_work | :/ | 17:07 |
| SK_work | sardini: hi there :) | 17:07 |
| pdanek | SK_work: I even find out having to use 2 laptops, business laptop and personal, too much of a headache, so I always stick to business laptop only and use it for personal purposes | 17:08 |
| pdanek | find out -> find | 17:08 |
| sardini | hi SK_work .. I know a long time ago I m not here :s | 17:08 |
| SK_work | indeed | 17:08 |
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| ryukafalz | sardini: it's definitely enough for manga, for other comics it depends | 17:08 |
| ryukafalz | though the high resolution screen helps I'm sure :) | 17:08 |
| * ryukafalz is used to an old Nexus 7 | 17:09 | |
| NRKA | AL13N_work: sorry i missed the on coming tablet,i ment for the jolla phone :) | 17:09 |
| SK_work | NRKA: Jolla phone don't support | 17:09 |
| AL13N_work | wasn't there a open source wifi driver? | 17:09 |
| AL13N_work | that's not used yet? | 17:09 |
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| sardini | I just hope he stays a tablet by 10 days :s | 17:10 |
| AL13N_work | haha | 17:10 |
| Tegu | does the jolla phone support promiscuos mode, then? if not monitor mode. | 17:11 |
| AL13N_work | well, i was tcpdumping on the wlan0 interface | 17:11 |
| AL13N_work | i'd say that's something? | 17:11 |
| ryukafalz | AL13N_work: Nah, you can do that regardless, you'll just only see your traffic | 17:11 |
| AL13N_work | tcpdump sets promiscuous mode in the interface | 17:11 |
| AL13N_work | iinm | 17:11 |
| SK_work | pdanek: I have two tablets. While it can be useful for me and GF, at the end I finish grabbing my computer ... | 17:11 |
| SK_work | etc. | 17:11 |
| Morpog_PC | tablets are nice for couch and bed | 17:12 |
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| Morpog_PC | webbrowsing and reading | 17:12 |
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| GreatEmerald | Tablets are nice for writing down notes and graph, too (the big ones, that is) | 17:12 |
| GreatEmerald | graphs* | 17:13 |
| pdanek | Morpog_PC: when I webbrowse, I tend to write a lot, google a lot... so keyboard is a must | 17:13 |
| Morpog_PC | for that I prefer a notebook | 17:13 |
| ryukafalz | AL13N_work: Hmm, interesting, so it does. I'd imagine it will only do that if the driver supports promiscuous mode though, so probably best to look for kernel logs | 17:13 |
| pdanek | also, I often multitask and IM + webbrowser at the same time, so keyboard is really a must | 17:13 |
| Tegu | ryukafalz: so, you mean it does not support? | 17:13 |
| pdanek | so I grab my ThinkPad all the time and happy with it | 17:13 |
| Morpog_PC | pdanek, thats serious webbrowsing --> I stand up from couch and go to my desktop PC | 17:13 |
| ryukafalz | Tegu: Meaning I don't know :P | 17:13 |
| GreatEmerald | You can connect keyboards to tablets, though | 17:13 |
| AL13N_work | ryukafalz: while i was looking at the tcpdump, i was seeing arp whohas stuff from within the wired network | 17:13 |
| AL13N_work | does that count? | 17:13 |
| pdanek | Morpog_PC: for me, writing is relaxing | 17:14 |
| Morpog_PC | not on a touch keyboard :D | 17:14 |
| Tegu | I have tried to tcpdump on home WLAN at some point but did not seem to receive other traffic.. but I might have done something wrong | 17:14 |
| * SK_work hopes for dual apps on Sailfish 2.0 | 17:14 | |
| SK_work | can even benefit the Jolla phone | 17:14 |
| pdanek | Morpog_PC: yes! | 17:14 |
| AL13N_work | Tegu: NRKA: ryukafalz: what exactly do you want the phone to do wrt monitor or tcpdump or whatever? | 17:14 |
| ryukafalz | AL13N_work: I don't think so, ARP messages are broadcast as all nodes need to see them | 17:14 |
| ryukafalz | anyway, gtg, heading to class | 17:15 |
| AL13N_work | SK_work: you mean like that blog post of that designer? | 17:15 |
| AL13N_work | yeah, i think that would be pretty good | 17:15 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: yep | 17:15 |
| SK_work | I had this kind of idea looong time ago | 17:15 |
| AL13N_work | ryukafalz: but not the replyes, right? | 17:15 |
| SK_work | good that jaakko is having the same kind of ideas | 17:15 |
| SK_work | MS "stole" this idea | 17:15 |
| pdanek | So, TOHKBD on kickstarter, AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jolla tablet in indiegogo? Definitely good for the community and Sailfish OS itself, we need to grow! But not for me | 17:15 |
| SK_work | (that I never patented. I should have :)) | 17:15 |
| Nicd- | hmm, Yammer detects Jolla browser funny | 17:15 |
| Nicd- | "It looks like you recently logged in to Yammer from a new application or browser - Firefox on Maemo" | 17:15 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 17:16 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: :D | 17:16 |
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| NRKA | AL13N_work: kismet | 17:16 |
| ryukafalz | AL13N_work: Well a who-has isn't a reply :P did you see the replies as well? | 17:17 |
| * ryukafalz back in a bit | 17:17 | |
| AL13N_work | NRKA: ah | 17:17 |
| AL13N_work | ryukafalz: i thought so, but i'm not sure anymore | 17:17 |
| silver_hook | Hmmm, Jolla & Nokia are now competing in the tablet sector. | 17:18 |
| AL13N_work | NRKA: that might work, but i'm not sure | 17:18 |
| * silver_hook gets popcorn | 17:18 | |
| AL13N_work | how is this competing | 17:18 |
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| AL13N_work | all the rest is yet another android | 17:18 |
| AL13N_work | with a custom launcher | 17:18 |
| NRKA | AL13N_work: ok i will look into it | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | &¤/¤ this static electricity | 17:19 |
| sardini | reinstalling qtcreator sailfishos... do I remember how to make an hello worl in qt? :s | 17:19 |
| SK_work | sardini: ping me on #JollaFr if you want | 17:20 |
| AL13N_work | sardini: luckily there's a hello world app | 17:20 |
| SK_work | twitter too :) | 17:20 |
| sardini | SK_work, ;) | 17:20 |
| silver_hook | AL13N_work: Well it’s competing as much as with any other tablet, true. But they announced it simultaneaously | 17:21 |
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| SK_work | silver_hook: indeed | 17:21 |
| SK_work | and that's fun | 17:21 |
| silver_hook | Yup. | 17:21 |
| Tofe | qAssert(0, "hello world! "); | 17:21 |
| silver_hook | But anyway, I’m way more interested in the phone the TOH and Mer :D | 17:22 |
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| ln- | what does "GPS: Yes, support Glonass" mean actually? (i understand every word separately, that's not the problem) | 17:26 |
| SK_work | ln-: this means: tablet do have a GPS, and that GPS chip also supports glossnass | 17:27 |
| SK_work | agree that it is written poorly | 17:27 |
| silver_hook | …which is a must for the nordics, right? | 17:29 |
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| pdanek | Glonass? | 17:29 |
| pdanek | Better on north? | 17:29 |
| Sidde | glonass is very nice for us living far north | 17:29 |
| pdanek | I see. | 17:29 |
| pdanek | I should move north. | 17:30 |
| pdanek | I always wanted a job in Norway. | 17:30 |
| Sidde | russia and the nordics benefits a lot of glonass | 17:30 |
| pdanek | But without knowing the language, it's hard. | 17:30 |
| Sidde | pdanek: in the computer industry i doubt you need to know a word of norwegian | 17:30 |
| pdanek | I looked mostly for Unix Administrator jobs (primarily AIX, combined with Linux) and most of the jobs I found required Norwegian | 17:31 |
| Sidde | pdanek: with AIX jobs i'll bet its mostly government jobs | 17:31 |
| pdanek | perhaps | 17:32 |
| Sidde | pdanek: and i'll guess they have language policies | 17:32 |
| ln- | isn't glonass needed for russia to avoid some big import customs duties? | 17:32 |
| Sidde | pdanek: but i work in sweden and we have lots of people at work who can't say anything in swedish | 17:32 |
| Sidde | pdanek: and i work at a government agency | 17:32 |
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| pdanek | I see! | 17:32 |
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| Sidde | pdanek: but your'e better paid in norway. i'll guess they pay the best in europe. But it's expensive to live in norway too | 17:33 |
| pdanek | They pay isn't much of a big deal for me. | 17:34 |
| iekku | we have sailors working in finland who don't speak finnish | 17:34 |
| pdanek | I just want to move Nordics and then learn the language. | 17:34 |
| pdanek | But I'm mostly useful in Power Systems and AIX area, which is kind of a niche market. | 17:35 |
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| iekku | but finnish is much more harder to learn than swedish or norwegian | 17:35 |
| pdanek | sure | 17:35 |
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| Sidde | pdanek: it's very much on it's way out too. Most places are replacing aix systems nowadays | 17:35 |
| pdanek | true | 17:35 |
| Sidde | pdanek: i'll guess it's safer to move over to linux, vmware or storage | 17:35 |
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| Sidde | we have just replaced a few thousands aix and solaris systems to linux. and i know most other government agencys are doing the same | 17:37 |
| pdanek | It's just not so easy to get a senior linux admin job for me at the moment, too much competition, not enough knowledge, but I'll get there. | 17:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | the new multitasking windows look like the browser tab in the new browser design | 17:43 |
| Morpog_PC | which should arrive with u11 | 17:43 |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC: new browser ? | 17:43 |
| Tegu | Morpog_PC: linkz | 17:43 |
| SK_work | iekku: is finnish harder to learn than C ? | 17:44 |
| SK_work | :P | 17:44 |
| coderus | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jolla.launcher.stella | 17:44 |
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| Nc_ | "<iekku> but finnish is much more harder to learn than swedish or norwegian" - meh, just learn Estonian, then talk it badly while randomly adding the letter "i" to the end of words | 17:44 |
| Tegu | Morpog_PC: oh, do you mean these? https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/tree/master/design | 17:45 |
| coderus | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nokia.z | 17:45 |
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| iekku | Nc_, haha | 17:46 |
| locusf | wow those designs look really good | 17:46 |
| suosaaski | coderus: I was a bit disappointed in that stella launcher. I thought it would have had those multitasking "windows" as previews of the apps (like in sailfish), not just a big-ish button with a small app icon in the centre... Also I was a bit disappointed that without my permission it changed by background and ringtone. But it did look nice. | 17:46 |
| iekku | SK_work, way harder | 17:46 |
| Sidde | Nc_: isn't finnish just randomly added letters? | 17:46 |
| SK_work | :( | 17:46 |
| Nc_ | Sidde, it does seem that way, true ... | 17:47 |
| Tegu | some say finnish is ROT13 :P | 17:47 |
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| Morpog_PC | Tegu, yep | 17:49 |
| Morpog_PC | SK_work, what Tegu said :D | 17:49 |
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| locusf | I really don't miss the grammar exams at high school | 17:50 |
| locusf | for finnish | 17:50 |
| Nc_ | Finnish has grammar?!? | 17:50 |
| artemma | Grammar has Finnish | 17:50 |
| iekku | Nc_, yes | 17:51 |
| Sidde | chinese is very nice. no grammar at all | 17:51 |
| SK_work | ROT13 D: | 17:51 |
| SK_work | chinese is "easy" | 17:51 |
| Nc_ | Some grammar in Chinese ... | 17:51 |
| Sidde | yes, but not in the european languange sense | 17:51 |
| Sidde | it's grammar you can learn in a day but takes lifetimes to master | 17:51 |
| Nc_ | They make up for it with being tonal, and freaking annoying to memorise | 17:52 |
| iekku | Nc_, http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/72936-english-swedish-german-and-finnish-decline-dog/ | 17:52 |
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| iekku | Nc_, and after reading that you might feel locusf'a pain... | 17:52 |
| Nc_ | good one iekku - need to bookmark that | 17:53 |
| Sidde | i studied chinese for a while after work | 17:53 |
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| Sidde | i stopped because i ran out of local courses | 17:53 |
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| locusf | iekku: LOL | 17:54 |
| Nc_ | I stopped my chinese lessons because they were expensive :( | 17:54 |
| Sidde | Nc_: folkuniversitetet here teaches them more or less for free. costed like 1000kr (~100 euro) per semester | 17:55 |
| SK_work | iekku: Oo | 17:55 |
| Nc_ | I took individual lesson with a Chinese teacher, who didn't really speak English well enough (and my French sucks) | 17:55 |
| Sidde | Nc_: my teacher workes for the Nobel Prize Committee | 17:56 |
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| Nc_ | not sure they are allowed to reveal that..? | 17:56 |
| Sidde | Nc_: i have no idea | 17:56 |
| Sidde | but he sucked at english too, maybe it was the same guy :D | 17:57 |
| Nc_ | but yeah - guess if I ever head back to Scandinavia, I'd check out options for getting cheaper lessons | 17:57 |
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| coderus | suosaaski: i have no idea, i have only Jolla phone and never touched any real android device in my poor life :D | 17:57 |
| Nc_ | probably not - mine was a quite cute girl | 17:57 |
| Sidde | fun guy, the totally ignored when the lessen ended. If you did not master the spelling or the vowel we had to repeat until we could | 17:58 |
| mornfall | and another thousand of tablets gone | 17:58 |
| suosaaski | coderus: :) | 17:58 |
| mornfall | also, it's totally going to hit $1M, right? :P | 17:58 |
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| suosaaski | Currently have an LG G3, would be nice to know how sailfish would run on this | 17:58 |
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| iekku | coderus, i tried once answer to incoming call of my other halfs android phone | 17:59 |
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| iekku | coderus, felt bit weird to realize i wasn't able to do so | 17:59 |
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| locusf | suosaaski: not until the bootloader opens up | 18:04 |
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| locusf | suosaaski: though I'd love to see SFOS on a screen such as G3 | 18:04 |
| suosaaski | that's not gonna happen. | 18:04 |
| suosaaski | But stella launcher did look lovely on this screen... :) | 18:04 |
| suosaaski | G3 has "Bump!" which now allows custom roms to be installed. | 18:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | that not the same | 18:05 |
| suosaaski | I know | 18:06 |
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| locusf | hmm that might actually work | 18:06 |
| locusf | umm no | 18:07 |
| suosaaski | If you can't "bump" sailfish, that won't work. | 18:08 |
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| locusf | its not just zip and go? | 18:09 |
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| locusf | theres a cm12 port, but I guess that means Lollipop right now | 18:10 |
| locusf | and hybris is for cm10 or experimentally cm11 | 18:10 |
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| locusf | and that port is for tmobile g3 | 18:10 |
| sec | So, like half of Finland ordered the tablet? | 18:10 |
| suosaaski | there are a few ports | 18:10 |
| suosaaski | paranoid android iirc and some others | 18:11 |
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| suosaaski | sec: nah | 18:11 |
| sec | Lies, it's funded twice over already | 18:11 |
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| suosaaski | Yeah, but one round was like 2000 tablets, so not that much | 18:11 |
| sec | Oh, that's a small bunch | 18:12 |
| suosaaski | To be honest, I think I am a bit more exited about Nokia N1 than the Jolla tablet. | 18:13 |
| locusf | https://github.com/Skin1980/android_device_lge_d855-1 <- hmm | 18:13 |
| sec | People checking out my phone keep asking me if it's still worth it. I don't know what to say to them. | 18:13 |
| ryukafalz | Nokia N1's just Android with a custom launcher though | 18:13 |
| sec | The spec race wars have ruined real value | 18:14 |
| locusf | and Jolla tablet is SailfishOS running on libhybris adaptation of Android :p | 18:14 |
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| suosaaski | ryukafalz: yes, but with good specs, price and I kinda like the launcher, too. | 18:14 |
| kimmoli | anyone at kuudes linja? | 18:15 |
| ryukafalz | locusf: haha, fair enough :P | 18:15 |
| suosaaski | http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development there are a few custom roms. Would be cool if one of those would be sailfish os... :) | 18:15 |
| locusf | suosaaski: if I had the device I might give it a go :p | 18:16 |
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| locusf | although I have no experience in hybris-11 builds | 18:16 |
| ryukafalz | All I can say is, I've had multiple Android devices, and I've enjoyed Sailfish over any version of Android I've tried so far :P | 18:16 |
| sec | That's pretty much my experience as well ryukafalz | 18:17 |
| ryukafalz | it reminds me of Maemo/MeeGo, which was awesome | 18:18 |
| suosaaski | I have nothing against any of the platforms, every single one of them seems to have something I just don't like :( | 18:18 |
| sec | This irssi is running on a N900 ryukafalz :P | 18:18 |
| ryukafalz | sec: I was always jealous of N900 users, I only had an N810 myself | 18:19 |
| svuorela | so. I accidentally a tablet | 18:19 |
| ryukafalz | ;) | 18:19 |
| sec | It's awesome :P | 18:19 |
| locusf | suosaaski: you got the d855? | 18:20 |
| ryukafalz | suosaaski: Since this is the Jolla channel, what don't you like about Sailfish? :P | 18:20 |
| suosaaski | wp8: need to have us/english for cortana, not that many apps. ios: no customization, kinda boring. android: lag, apps have ads everywhere, sailfish: the hardware it runs (jolla), not that many apps | 18:20 |
| suosaaski | locusf: yes | 18:20 |
| locusf | suosaaski: ok | 18:21 |
| ryukafalz | I guess I may be something of an anomaly - I like Sailfish largely because of the apps it has | 18:21 |
| sec | Android is a giant billboard in all its glory | 18:21 |
| ryukafalz | Likewise for Linux, when I go back to Windows or OSX I miss all my Linux apps | 18:22 |
| suosaaski | ryukafalz: sure there are some nice apps (not that I would have paid that much attention, just following on the side), but then, like Windows Phone, there is "that one app" that always seems to be missing. | 18:23 |
| suosaaski | Mind you not all of the apps missing are usefull. They could be something simple. Like a game. | 18:23 |
| ryukafalz | suosaaski: Well, to be sure there won't be most of the big names, but the apps that are there tend to be just the ones I personally use | 18:24 |
| suosaaski | I remember when I had the N9. The few apps I had on it were all nice. Like Profilematic. best.app.ever. | 18:25 |
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| ryukafalz | Favorite Sailfish feature - the built-in multi-protocol messenger | 18:26 |
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| ryukafalz | suosaaski: Also the fact that Sailfish runs Android apps could be a benefit for some. Mine doesn't, since I'm running an unofficial build, but then I don't need it myself :P | 18:32 |
| sec | Unofficial build? | 18:33 |
| ryukafalz | Actually technically I guess it's official kinda? It's just not a Jolla - I'm running Sailfish on my Nexus 4. | 18:33 |
| sec | It's an official build then | 18:34 |
| locusf | there is this grand idea about a community powered ART which could then run Android apps on libhybris implementations but afaik its just an idea thus far :/ | 18:34 |
| suosaaski | So... just thinking... what apps would I not get if I had Sailfish? I regularly use Feedly, Watson (IPTV client), MTV Katsomo, Ruutu, Yle Areena, Simpsons Tapped Out, Whatsapp, Harmony (Logitech remote), Chromecast, Facebook, Twitter, FB Messenger, Netflix, Onedrive, Onenote and Youtube? | 18:34 |
| ryukafalz | sec: I mean, I could go through the HADK and create an image myself :P | 18:35 |
| ryukafalz | locusf: That would be awesome | 18:35 |
| tbr | locusf: I think someone showed a crude prototype on a desktop system | 18:36 |
| locusf | ryukafalz: don't get your hopes up too much, its not gonna be easy :) | 18:36 |
| Nc_ | suosaaski ? at least some of them work in the Android emulator, others have unofficial Sailfish apps | 18:36 |
| locusf | tbr: oh you mean the chromebook thing? | 18:36 |
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| tbr | locusf: no | 18:36 |
| tbr | older | 18:36 |
| locusf | ah | 18:36 |
| tbr | community | 18:36 |
| locusf | then I don't know that | 18:36 |
| suosaaski | Nc_: Yes, some work with the emulator but I have understood that not everything works... so I was thinking that what would not work? And as far as Onedrive goes, I have set it to automatically backup my camera photos, can that be done? | 18:37 |
| Nc_ | not tried most of the apps you listed, can only say that Harmony, Twitter and YouTube work. | 18:38 |
| Nc_ | as for automatic backup, would be a matter of testing | 18:39 |
| locusf | tbr: apkenv? | 18:39 |
| tbr | locusf: will need to check | 18:39 |
| tbr | no | 18:40 |
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| ryukafalz | oh screw it I'm getting a jolla tablet :> | 18:41 |
| sec | hue | 18:41 |
| * sec pats ryukafalz | 18:41 | |
| Morpog_PC | thats the spirit ryukafalz :D | 18:42 |
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| ryukafalz | just ordered, my wallet hurts a bit XD | 18:42 |
| Teemu | 3162 of 2000 devices backed | 18:43 |
| Teemu | did the igg start at 11 slush time? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | ish | 18:43 |
| Teemu | accurate enough | 18:43 |
| Jope | yeh, towards the end of marc's speech | 18:43 |
| sec | The tablets igg page: "If an app doesn’t exist, you can always make it." | 18:43 |
| Nc_ | 3162 tablets sold ... 1013 "shipping"s ... this is going to be interesting :) | 18:44 |
| ryukafalz | sec: Heheh, I saw that | 18:44 |
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| locusf | the open source ART for libhybris would actually really rock the world | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | meanwhile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmwisVEjJFo | 18:45 |
| Teemu | so the campaign has been on for ten hours, already once sold off and is now at something like 185% | 18:45 |
| ryukafalz | methinks shipping should have been included in the tier prices | 18:45 |
| Jope | teemu, pretty much yeah | 18:45 |
| sec | Yes that is for people who forgot to add shipping | 18:45 |
| Teemu | now, someone port the ui part of artemis simulator for sailfish | 18:45 |
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| sec | Also, this whole tablet thing excites me because now we have a timeline on Sailfish 2 | 18:46 |
| sec | Which will in turn benefit the phone owners as well | 18:46 |
| suosaaski | Just wish there would be a Jola 2, too, with better specs. | 18:47 |
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| suosaaski | Jolla even | 18:47 |
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| Teemu | how big/small the tablet was again? | 18:47 |
| suosaaski | 7,9" | 18:47 |
| ryukafalz | Teemu: Doesn't currently have mobile clients, but may also want to look at Space Nerds In Space | 18:47 |
| Teemu | i mean, will it be a handbag type of tablet or something to put it in swat pants pockets | 18:48 |
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| suosaaski | 7,9" 4:3, it is a very nice size. At least the iPad mini is. | 18:48 |
| Ezko | my 7" huawei fits in my trouser pockets | 18:48 |
| Ezko | of all trousers i have | 18:48 |
| Morpog_PC | wtf did I just watch Stskeeps :D | 18:48 |
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| Teemu | ryukafalz: but it is a linux app, right? is it qt? wouldn't it be easishly portable? | 18:48 |
| suosaaski | Ezko: but that is likely 16:9 so it is narrower in aspect and also smaller screen. | 18:49 |
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| Ezko | hmm, maybe | 18:49 |
| Ezko | well the dimensions are 203 x 137 x 8,3 mm | 18:49 |
| suosaaski | http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/123247-image/Apple-iPad-mini-vs-Google-Nexus-7-001.jpg | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: jolla3 | 18:49 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 18:49 |
| suosaaski | That pic says quite a lot about the seemingly small difference in size (7 vs 7.9") | 18:50 |
| ryukafalz | Teemu: It's not Qt, I think it's just straight C/OpenGL. | 18:50 |
| ryukafalz | Porting it would be quite an effort I think | 18:51 |
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| Teemu | Ezko: possibly pocketable, even with some sort of nondestructive cover | 18:52 |
| ryukafalz | Depends very much on the size of your pockets ;) | 18:52 |
| Ezko | i wish i had gotten a cover for my tablet | 18:52 |
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| suosaaski | I have had an ipad mini in some pockets, and some it will just not fit. So depends on the size of the pockets :) | 18:52 |
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| Morpog_PC | aren't the pockets of Apple device owners naturally deep? :D | 18:55 |
| Ezko | eheh | 18:55 |
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| anonfriese | hmm, i think my jolla might have some battery miscalibration. is it enough to just let it run out of power and then charge up fully or is there some special procedure? | 18:56 |
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| Nc_ | is there any kind of BT-based tethering in Jolla/Sailfish? thinking using WLAN to get a tablet online via the phone is a bit excessive, but not seen PAN support noted anywhere | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | it works from command lien | 18:57 |
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| Morpog_PC | I think there was an app for that :D | 18:58 |
| Nc_ | Command-line setup of PAN .. sure, why not :) | 18:58 |
| sec | Morpog_PC: not sometimes. You could guess how much social engineering sells | 18:59 |
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| Nc_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/11/19/1343250/jolla-crowdfunds-its-first-tablet | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | what are you guys and girls biggest worries about the tablet? | 19:01 |
| Scelt | battery power | 19:01 |
| ryukafalz | Scelt++ | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | Nc_, http://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/wifi-and-bluetooth-tethering-on-sailfish-os/ | 19:02 |
| Nc_ | Lack of RAM + 4G options | 19:02 |
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| * Stskeeps looks for his notebook.. | 19:02 | |
| ryukafalz | That said, in my experience Sailfish is much lighter on the battery than Android (speaking as a Nexus 4 owner) | 19:02 |
| beidl | I'd say that 2GB of RAM is more than enough | 19:02 |
| beidl | (hi guys) | 19:02 |
| kimmoli | hi | 19:02 |
| Nc_ | Morpog_PC, cheers :D | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | for price range its a bit harder to have more than 2gb indeed | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, battery looks to be small compared to competitors, also ram could be more (as always) | 19:02 |
| kimmoli | greetings from afterparty | 19:02 |
| kimmoli | free beer run out already | 19:03 |
| beidl | just because android manufacturers taught us that we need to have more RAM doesn't mean it's true for us | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: with 16 bars...? | 19:03 |
| Nc_ | beidl, I'd agree, if my phone wasn't constantly chewing through all memory+swap the moment I open an Android app, or the browser, or the mail-client | 19:03 |
| kimmoli | at least here in 6tj linja | 19:03 |
| Morpog_PC | beidl, being on U9 tells me that I clearly need more RAM :D | 19:03 |
| Nc_ | outside of those cases, 2gig ram is ok I guess | 19:03 |
| ryukafalz | For me, definitely battery and RAM. Also video chat support but that's related to the phone as well ;) | 19:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | USB type C connector would be lovely Stskeeps | 19:04 |
| ryukafalz | audio/video with jingle that is | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: type C? | 19:04 |
| beidl | of course there's room for improvement | 19:04 |
| ryukafalz | Stskeeps: The new reversible connector - Nokia is using it on the N1 | 19:04 |
| beidl | don't get me wrong on that :) | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/2/5573680/first-images-of-the-reversible-usb-cable | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | the nokia N1 got it | 19:04 |
| kimmoli | https://mobile.twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/535146785548029952/photo/1 | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, seems alot of people care about the GPU, they hate powervr and hope for intel graphics | 19:06 |
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| attah | kimmoli: where is the party at? | 19:06 |
| kimmoli | kamppi | 19:06 |
| fw190 | Morpog_PC: this would help in many ways for tinker geeks ;) | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: understandable, but they also have to remember that if you say A) hwcomposer then you need to say B) gralloc and C) android libegl | 19:07 |
| Morpog_PC | fw190, I'm not sure even if it's an intel gpu that Jolla could use the free driver. Since they use alien-dalvik which could need the closed blob??? | 19:07 |
| kimmoli | we are at slush only, kuudes linja. prolly moving soon | 19:07 |
| kimmoli | attah: ^ | 19:08 |
| attah | cool, almost wish i lived over there :) | 19:08 |
| fw190 | Morpog_PC: oh stop it! let me dream for a bit ;) | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | also, it may simply be that kms and such aren't featureful atm | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, they beg for that it seems on TMO | 19:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1448150&postcount=417 | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe you can shed some light in that thread :D | 19:10 |
| juergbi | Stskeeps: will a 64-bit kernel be used? if yes, what userspace ABI will be used (64-bit, x32, or x86-32)? | 19:12 |
| Morpog_PC | Nokia N1 will have an open bootloader. I can already see sledges rubbing his hands to get HADK on it :D | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | if somebody is looking for a tablet to run glorious mesa-wayland-kms on it and assuming a production experience, this is probably not it.. | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | it may work, though | 19:12 |
| sec | Stskeeps: do they call you the IRC guy at work yet? | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | juergbi: man, you are good with questions.. | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | sec: we all irc. total addicts. | 19:12 |
| sec | Thanks for hanging around here though :P | 19:12 |
| juergbi | it may have a big impact on ram usage | 19:13 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC: can you? ;) | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | juergbi: there is no android x32, so that one is out.. | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, Nokia said it will be delivered already unlocked | 19:13 |
| suosaaski | what will? | 19:14 |
| sledges | im sure community will rub hands together, if not more ;) | 19:14 |
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| beidl | oh the irony, SailfishOS 2.0 on the Nokia N1 | 19:14 |
| Tegu | :D | 19:15 |
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| juergbi | Stskeeps: too bad, that would be most efficient option, afaict | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | juergbi: agreed | 19:16 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, I prefer the real deal Jolla tablet ;) | 19:16 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: is what im winding up here too :P | 19:16 |
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| ryukafalz | Morpog_PC: I mean, they're the same price, so it makes sense :P | 19:18 |
| ryukafalz | plus I can buy the Jolla Tablet in the US, but not the N1 | 19:19 |
| Morpog_PC | true | 19:19 |
| meklu | it's somewhat interesting that the jolla tablet is available in the US | 19:19 |
| meklu | considering that the phone wasn't | 19:20 |
| meklu | guess it's easier to get something with only wifi through FCC cert | 19:20 |
| juergbi | if mainline intel GPU drivers can be used, libhybris would theoretically not be required and x32 could be used. something like alien dalvik could still work with x86-32 or 64-bit in its own filesystem tree | 19:20 |
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| Morpog_PC | I guess thats the Jolla Asia LTD is good for. Not getting sued for patent infringements :D | 19:20 |
| juergbi | but i guess libhybris will be used in any case to avoid big differences in sailfish os between different hardware | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC | juergbi, not sure bout that, next phone could be intel too | 19:21 |
| juergbi | could be but that's probably far from fixed | 19:22 |
| juergbi | and i assume sailfish os will continue to be updated for jolla 1 | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC | intel starts subsidizing it's smartphone SOC's in 2015, just like they already do with their tablet SOC's (thats why we see so many intel tablets lately) | 19:22 |
| beidl | ....kamelåså | 19:22 |
| juergbi | there are actually also ARM SoCs that can run wayland without libhybris | 19:23 |
| * beidl and sledges feel sorry for Stskeeps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk | 19:23 | |
| juergbi | even PowerVR-based ones | 19:23 |
| Morpog_PC | I even made a thread about it on TJC some while ago: https://together.jolla.com/question/44563/intel-turnkey-program-for-smartphones-jolla-2-3/ | 19:23 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: what did they actually talk?:D | 19:24 |
| juergbi | Morpog_PC: interesting | 19:24 |
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| beidl | I'm totally the milk man | 19:25 |
| * Morpog_PC wonders if that thread did lead to the Jolla tablet :D | 19:25 | |
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| GreatEmerald | 750k raised now | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 20:07 |
| GreatEmerald | Well, 745, actually, but will be 750 in a few monutes I bet | 20:07 |
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| attah | impressive none the less :) | 20:08 |
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| GreatEmerald | Also almost 200% of the goal | 20:10 |
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| Ezko | i wish i could afford it | 20:14 |
| Ezko | or like | 20:15 |
| Ezko | i could afford it but i already have a tablet | 20:15 |
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| GreatEmerald | OK, now it's officially over 750k | 20:17 |
| Sailor-2gether | I wish I would know a use case for a tablet for me ^^ | 20:17 |
| GreatEmerald | 600 tablets left | 20:18 |
| TemeV | Sailor-2gether: well, there is half a year time to figure that out :) | 20:19 |
| Sailor-2gether | well, I have another tablet | 20:19 |
| Sailor-2gether | which was used 3 times | 20:19 |
| Sailor-2gether | and since then lies at the table and is off | 20:19 |
| TemeV | :) | 20:19 |
| Sailor-2gether | if the Jolla tablet had UMTS or smth it would be better | 20:19 |
| Sailor-2gether | but I really like it that they make a tablet | 20:20 |
| Sailor-2gether | I think it was the right move | 20:20 |
| sec | More of a capability demonstrator | 20:21 |
| sec | I am guessing they desparately need OEMs to license software to | 20:21 |
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| M4rtinK | well, it has GPS | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | you can use it a a navigation appliance with modRana for example :) | 20:22 |
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| _inte_ | 200% | 20:30 |
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| attah | Has anyone heard anything on when update 10 might roll out? | 20:37 |
| kimmoli | when it is ready? | 20:38 |
| attah | obviously :) but when might that be? | 20:40 |
| timoph | when they get it done :) | 20:40 |
| attah | oh, that makes sense ;) | 20:41 |
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| Tegu | jolla needs more rm, I suppose. gif collections and large gifs keep crashing the browser :( | 20:49 |
| Tegu | ram* | 20:49 |
| attah | Tegu: phone, yes... tablet would probably be ok :) | 20:50 |
| svuorela | attah: when my phone is having issues, I_just talk about sending it to Stskeeps. Then my phone magically starts behaving again | 20:50 |
| attah | svuorela: I should try that :) | 20:51 |
| mornfall | what does the "community 150000 Jolla fans strong" on the indiegogo page mean? | 20:51 |
| svuorela | attah: for two days my phone refused to connect to the network. I removed and added the simcard, rebooted and ... Then I was about to show it to Stskeeps when he was in the same room as me and suddenly it connected. | 20:52 |
| mornfall | attah: considering that right now the entire crew is intoxicated, probably not tonight :P | 20:52 |
| mornfall | (at least I expect no less of sailors today) | 20:52 |
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| svuorela | mornfall: what do they have to celebrate ? | 20:52 |
| mornfall | svuorela: 200% of the goal on indiegogo? | 20:53 |
| svuorela | ah. | 20:53 |
| svuorela | that | 20:53 |
| attah | mornfall: I'm somewhat intoxicated too.. I'm sure we'll get along just fine ;) | 20:53 |
| svuorela | mornfall: wonder if it will beat the money not-raised for ubuntu phone :) | 20:53 |
| popey | meow | 20:54 |
| mornfall | svuorela: $32M? definitely not | 20:54 |
| svuorela | mornfall: they didn't raise that much | 20:54 |
| popey | $12M | 20:54 |
| svuorela | something like that | 20:54 |
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| mornfall | 32M was the goal, yeah | 20:55 |
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| mornfall | 12M not likely either | 20:55 |
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| mornfall | between 1 and 2M is most likely, I'd say | 20:55 |
| _inte_ | why did ubuntu claim that incredible high amount those days? | 20:55 |
| _inte_ | wasnt it somewhat obvious they will not make it? | 20:56 |
| Jope | that puzzled me as well | 20:56 |
| keithzg | I kindof see that as the main difference between Jolla and Ubuntu-on-phones. Not to get all flamewar-y (because it's cool that Canonical and co are trying! and I want them to succeed too!) but Canonical seem to aim for the moon, fall short, then delay; Jolla aim for what's within reach and have so far succeeded. | 20:56 |
| popey | because that was the amount required to manufacture 40K devices | 20:56 |
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| _inte_ | maybe the wrong strategy | 20:57 |
| popey | time will tell | 20:57 |
| _inte_ | time actually told in that case :) | 20:58 |
| popey | dunno, it opened doors | 20:58 |
| keithzg | It's definitely a rough market for smaller entities. Hard to compete with the kinds of volumes the big names have, and with volumes come the price levels customers have grown to expect, so it ends up being a catch-22 | 20:58 |
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| _inte_ | i thing the crowdfunding strategy is just the right way | 20:59 |
| * artemma took a nap and Jolla Tablet gathered $200K+ meanwhile. Feels like I am wasting time compared to real productive people | 21:00 | |
| _inte_ | you only owe to the customers, not to some shareholders or whatever financiers | 21:00 |
| sec | Customers are financiers when you crowdfund | 21:00 |
| _inte_ | exactely | 21:01 |
| kimmoli | artemma: your sport just got serious and u took nap? | 21:01 |
| artemma | every sport has time outs | 21:01 |
| _inte_ | sec and no one else | 21:01 |
| artemma | maybe except for how-long-you-ca-seat-in-sauna | 21:01 |
| RaYmAn | one of the useful aspects of crowdfunding is that everyone can see how much money/sold devices there are. It probably encourages more people to buy in than a straight-up preorder does | 21:02 |
| keithzg | _inte_: In fairness, Jolla went the opposite way with the phone initially, whereas Canonical went the crowd-funding way, and now both have flipped, with as popey says the Ubuntu phone crowdfunding opening doors for investors and other interests while Jolla is crowdfunding their next device. | 21:02 |
| _inte_ | keithzg: true | 21:02 |
| GreatEmerald | 777k! | 21:02 |
| _inte_ | but, did ubuntu find investors eventually? are they building a phone now? | 21:03 |
| coderus | _inte_: yes | 21:03 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: I wonder if theyll reach 1m before midnight but i doubt | 21:03 |
| _inte_ | coderus: oh, didnt know that. | 21:03 |
| keithzg | _inte_: among others there's the Meizu MX4 coming up. | 21:03 |
| artemma | 1M in 24 hrs might be possible. Unless the sailor responsible to add the next batch of devices happens to be drunk when it's needed :) | 21:04 |
| GreatEmerald | _inte_: Probably will reach it. If you're in Hawaii. | 21:04 |
| keithzg | _Inte_: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2687847/ubuntu-touch-finalized-first-phones-coming-this-year.html | 21:04 |
| _inte_ | so, how are the specs? compareable to jolla? better? inferior? | 21:04 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: :) | 21:04 |
| popey | that article is inaccurate | 21:04 |
| popey | anyway. | 21:05 |
| popey | I'm impressed by the amount of pledges jolla has on this tablet | 21:05 |
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| popey | seems quite a bit of excitement about it | 21:05 |
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| keithzg | popey: fair enough, it was the first I dredged up when trying to shore up my faulty memory ;) | 21:05 |
| _inte_ | oh, 4gig of ram | 21:05 |
| popey | that mx4 is a monster though | 21:06 |
| _inte_ | im really curious if the phone will really appear as announced | 21:06 |
| _inte_ | by the end of this year | 21:06 |
| _inte_ | so soon... | 21:06 |
| popey | tick tock ☻ | 21:06 |
| keithzg | Yeah I'm really loving that people are getting on board with such a tablet---running a full standard Linux stack instead of Android is something that's awesome to me, and it's great that others appear to feel the same :) | 21:07 |
| popey | wonder how hackable the jolla tablet will be | 21:07 |
| GreatEmerald | Now if only they confirmed it's Bay Trail | 21:07 |
| _inte_ | cant wait to install kde mail and office :) | 21:07 |
| popey | lulz | 21:08 |
| popey | and all those kde clocks | 21:08 |
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| fignew | Honestly I hope it's hackable... would be nice to run Fedora on it :) | 21:08 |
| GreatEmerald | _inte_: KMail and Calligra, popey: Plasma clocks, get your terminology right :P | 21:08 |
| popey | of course, yes. plasma | 21:09 |
| _inte_ | GreatEmerald: Kontact :) | 21:09 |
| * popey writes "PLASMA, NOT KDE" on a post-it | 21:09 | |
| GreatEmerald | :D | 21:09 |
| keithzg | Heh I loved the old Fuzzy Clock so much that I bought a Pebble purely to hack in an equivalent fuzzy watchface | 21:09 |
| * _inte_ too | 21:09 | |
| * keithzg 's watch currently reads "afternoon" | 21:09 | |
| GreatEmerald | Maybe triple-boot Sailfish, Ubuntu Touch and Firefox OS? ;) | 21:10 |
| popey | do-able on nexus | 21:10 |
| popey | 4... | 21:10 |
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| keithzg | GreatEmerald: Well, I'm currently triple-booting Android 5.0, SailfishOS and Ubuntu Touch :) | 21:11 |
| popey | nice | 21:11 |
| popey | exciting times | 21:12 |
| keithzg | indeed 'tis! | 21:13 |
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| _inte_ | im only surprised that there was no second peak or sth. | 21:15 |
| _inte_ | would have expected stronger sales to the us people | 21:15 |
| _inte_ | or they got up early at night :) | 21:16 |
| keithzg | Heh I pledged at 3AM my time, but I'm a bit lousy at sleeping in general | 21:16 |
| _inte_ | :) | 21:17 |
| keithzg | Also created the initial "vote for your country" thread on TJC, before cybette did, but mine got retroactively closed as duplicate :P | 21:17 |
| keithzg | Which is fair enough, I only created the thread because I couldn't wait for the official one, heh | 21:17 |
| Hartzi | :D | 21:17 |
| _inte_ | hehe | 21:17 |
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| keithzg | NIce to see Canada doing well in the official thread; my backup plan is to get it shipped to the American importer that my company uses. | 21:18 |
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| Hartzi | ah canada wasn't already on the list. Strange. | 21:22 |
| attah | Hartzi: s/ah/oh/ | 21:23 |
| keithzg | It's another country they'd arguably have to get their device certified for. But yeah, it's always weird to me to consider that I live closer to nearly all of the mainland States than Alaskans or Hawaiians do but am randomly cut off from so much that could be sold. | 21:24 |
| Hartzi | attah: grammar nazi! :D | 21:24 |
| keithzg | No Moto Maker for me, for example, so I was unable to get a 64GB bamboo-backed Moto X last year like I wanted. | 21:24 |
| keithzg | ♫ Oh, Canada / Our home and native land / True patriot love / But less device selection ♫ | 21:25 |
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| attah | keithzg: lol :) | 21:28 |
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| GreatEmerald | Over 800k! | 21:51 |
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| DrSkyLizard | Does the tablet have a GPS receiver? | 21:52 |
| ln- | according to specs, yes | 21:54 |
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| DrSkyLizard | ln-: source? | 21:58 |
| DrSkyLizard | ah, found it | 21:58 |
| DrSkyLizard | its an image | 21:58 |
| DrSkyLizard | not searchable | 21:58 |
| DrSkyLizard | :(( | 21:58 |
| _inte_ | i only wonder what will jolla crowdfound next | 21:59 |
| _inte_ | maybe a smartwatch:) | 21:59 |
| Hartzi | maybe | 21:59 |
| RoboD | can you plug headfones into jolla tablet | 21:59 |
| GreatEmerald | Maybe they won't | 21:59 |
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| DrSkyLizard | Smartship | 21:59 |
| GreatEmerald | An actual sailfish :D | 21:59 |
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| GreatEmerald | Oh dear, 300 left | 22:10 |
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| _inte_ | is there any reasonaable difference between first sailors and early sailors? | 22:23 |
| _inte_ | except for the 10 bucks | 22:23 |
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| coderus | _inte_: with million dollars earned it doesnt matter :D | 22:26 |
| _inte_ | sure:) | 22:26 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: contagious | 22:26 |
| _inte_ | i was only confused by the different wording | 22:26 |
| coderus | _inte_: read https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#activity | 22:27 |
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| _inte_ | coderus: that doesnt explain in particular why the first 1000 were first sailors while the second 1000 and the third batch are "early" sailors | 22:30 |
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| Acce | humm in the FAQ it says they will be sent in the contributing order | 22:31 |
| coderus | when campaign started there was just first and early sailors :) | 22:31 |
| _inte_ | ok:) | 22:32 |
| kimmoli | they need to extend to reach 1M , ~300 left | 22:32 |
| _inte_ | so no extra goodies for the first... | 22:32 |
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| coderus | _inte_: tablet have any goodies? :D | 22:32 |
| _inte_ | i like one of those black jolla hats | 22:33 |
| _inte_ | for skiing | 22:33 |
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| _inte_ | for instance | 22:34 |
| _inte_ | or a jolla yubikey | 22:34 |
| zenvoid | I'm considering to get the tablet but... I would like a replaceable battery | 22:34 |
| _inte_ | or a jolla dualmode pen for writting and touchscreen | 22:34 |
| zenvoid | or at least a not extremely difficult to replace battery | 22:35 |
| _inte_ | why dont you get a powerpack? | 22:35 |
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| _inte_ | kimmoli: you are right, they will barely reach 892000 without extending | 22:37 |
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| _inte_ | i wonder if they will | 22:37 |
| _inte_ | and when | 22:37 |
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| _inte_ | since its probable that Jollapeople are out and celebrating right now :) | 22:38 |
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| zenvoid | _inte_: powerpack is external? | 22:40 |
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| coderus | zenvoid: powerpack is just general name of external batteries | 22:43 |
| zenvoid | ok thanks | 22:43 |
| zenvoid | none of the tablets I've previously owned can be powered with the external battery alone | 22:44 |
| coderus | why? | 22:44 |
| zenvoid | so when the internal battery dies, the tablet basically bricks forever | 22:44 |
| zenvoid | I don't know why | 22:44 |
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| zenvoid | just tested, only the openmoko phone works with flat battery | 22:45 |
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| zenvoid | and possible the oppo (not fully tested) | 22:45 |
| zenvoid | everything else that I've tried, just turns into a brick when the battery is flat | 22:45 |
| _inte_ | i never experienced such as thing | 22:46 |
| _inte_ | i use my powerpak to recharge my phone | 22:46 |
| _inte_ | that works fine | 22:46 |
| Tofe | zenvoid: doesn't the n900 do that too? | 22:47 |
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| zenvoid | Tofe: I thought it didn't but I'll try again, the battery of my n900 died already (inflated because it was unused during an extended period) | 22:50 |
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| GreatEmerald | 820k | 22:51 |
| GreatEmerald | And I'm going to sleep | 22:51 |
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| zenvoid | Tofe: no, it refuses to boot without a working battery | 22:58 |
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| AL13N | well 822k now... | 23:02 |
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| keithzg | zenvoid: huh, that's odd, I swear I remember running my N900 before with the battery entirely outside it. Perhaps it refuses to run if it detects that there's both a battery *and* that said battery is below a certain charge? | 23:10 |
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| zenvoid | does not boot without battery either | 23:12 |
| zenvoid | probably it continues to work if the battery is removed "in hot", before it boots | 23:13 |
| zenvoid | I mean after | 23:14 |
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| zenvoid | after it boots, take out the battery with external power | 23:14 |
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| _inte_ | im pretty sure i booted my n900 w/o battery as well... | 23:21 |
| _inte_ | well, years ago so | 23:21 |
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| zenvoid | hmmm... maybe different hardware revisions I guess, the one I have definitely requires a working battery | 23:25 |
| * artemma wonders what's the minimal sane size for a tablet hardware order. Same 50K as for phones? | 23:25 | |
| zenvoid | same with the n810, and the 770 | 23:25 |
| zenvoid | and any other phone or tablet I have | 23:25 |
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