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| jcbjoe | today is a good day sailers i'm opening up a brand new jolla as we speak w00t | 01:29 |
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| jcbjoe | no more nexus4 | 01:29 |
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| jcbjoe | i'm excited lol | 01:51 |
| jcbjoe | anyone awake .. first offical question i guess can i choose what update i want my jolla to get cause right now out of the box i'm on 1.0.8.19 and i know there are like 9 updates right ? | 01:52 |
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| covox | jcbjoe: what update does it offer when you check for updates | 02:26 |
| jcbjoe | 1.1.1.27 | 02:26 |
| covox | latest stable is 1.1.1.27 | 02:26 |
| covox | there you go :) | 02:26 |
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| jcbjoe | thanks | 02:27 |
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| jcbjoe | covox: are there some good starter apps utliy wise that help with battery or just help out with the phone ? | 02:31 |
| jcbjoe | like must needed apps every person should have ? | 02:31 |
| covox | jcbjoe: haven't tried out any android battery managers on the phone | 02:33 |
| covox | turning off 4G is probably the best battery tip I can think of | 02:34 |
| jcbjoe | no i basically organized favs since opening up the phone downloaded 1.1.1.27 and about to reboot | 02:35 |
| jcbjoe | im on the jolla users website watching a video and they are talking about a utilities app | 02:35 |
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| zutto | covox: updating sailfish as the updates comes is the second best tip ;P | 04:29 |
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| Yaniel | jcbjoe: that one is for stuff like restarting alien dalvik or tracker | 05:17 |
| jcbjoe | thanks | 05:21 |
| Yaniel | very handy to have around | 05:21 |
| Yaniel | and it only adds a settings page so it won't clutter your app grid either | 05:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 10:10 |
| SK_work | hi Stskeeps | 10:12 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 11:07 |
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| adherry | I have a question. I got my new jolla, installed the update, and now it only shows the jolla logo at boot, and after that i can only press the powerbutton to activate or deactivate the small led on the bottom. Is the device bricked now? | 12:05 |
| chem|st | so it is off then | 12:06 |
| chem|st | or does the led stay lit after releasing the pwrbtn? | 12:06 |
| adherry | yes, its like ticking it on and off | 12:06 |
| chem|st | huh | 12:06 |
| chem|st | is it connected to the charger? | 12:07 |
| adherry | yes, thats the only other thing the phone does, telling me when no charger is connected | 12:07 |
| chem|st | ok led on/off is screen on/off when booted up and charger is connected | 12:08 |
| chem|st | so your display stays off... | 12:08 |
| adherry | wait, I cant turn the screen on while charging? | 12:09 |
| fennekki | you should be able to? | 12:09 |
| chem|st | you can... | 12:09 |
| chem|st | that is the thing not working | 12:09 |
| adherry | so I disconeccted the charger | 12:10 |
| fennekki | adherry: oh, wait, after the update? | 12:10 |
| fennekki | yeah, that's happened to others | 12:10 |
| adherry | yeah | 12:10 |
| adherry | unpackaged it like an hour ago | 12:10 |
| fennekki | there was a way to fix it from the recovery, I believe | 12:10 |
| adherry | installed update | 12:10 |
| adherry | nothing happens after jolla logo | 12:10 |
| fennekki | yeah that's exactly what happened to a few others, me included | 12:10 |
| fennekki | I factory reset because I was an idiot :V | 12:10 |
| fennekki | anyway | 12:10 |
| fennekki | I'll go grep my logs and see if I find the fix. It involved going to recovery which works just fine even if it's soft-bricked like that | 12:11 |
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| adherry | didnt expect fist update to softbrick my device | 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | is aptoide | 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | meant to have adds | 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | down the bottom to?? | 12:12 |
| fennekki | adherry: what'd you do before updating it | 12:12 |
| adherry | set up the device | 12:12 |
| fennekki | like, install any software or whatnot | 12:12 |
| adherry | nothing more | 12:12 |
| adherry | selected some software to install from the harbor but they seem to have been installed | 12:13 |
| adherry | you know, that selection you get when setting up | 12:13 |
| * sebsebseb has an annoying thing about well asking if there are viruses in Androeind phone basily in aptoside now uh | 12:13 | |
| fennekki | yeah, I'm just wondering if some of those would affect it | 12:13 |
| fennekki | no devmode enabled? | 12:13 |
| adherry | no | 12:14 |
| adherry | i literally only went through the setup process | 12:14 |
| fennekki | goddamn this laptop is acting up | 12:15 |
| fennekki | my wifi keeps resetting | 12:15 |
| adherry | i unpackaged it, put in the battery, startet it, installed the update and it does not boot any more | 12:15 |
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| * sebsebseb hopes he will be ok when doing the update to, but will factory reset first now anyway, since been instaling ANdroid apps on it and such in the shipped version | 12:16 | |
| chem|st | adherry: did you shut it down while stuck in booting or did you leave it for some time? | 12:16 |
| fennekki | oh, damn, looks like the fix actually involved having devmode enabled during an update that was, presumably, terminated early | 12:17 |
| adherry | i left it for a while | 12:17 |
| chem|st | the last update took literal ages to boot | 12:17 |
| fennekki | the update could take like | 12:17 |
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| fennekki | half an hour? to boot the first time | 12:17 |
| fennekki | maybe even more | 12:17 |
| adherry | wait what? | 12:17 |
| chem|st | fennekki: to boot? no to install maybe but not to boot | 12:17 |
| adherry | with no indicator? | 12:17 |
| adherry | then I wait for half an hour now.... | 12:18 |
| fennekki | chem|st: no I mean it got stuck for really long for some people on the blank screen | 12:18 |
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| fennekki | installing, I meant | 12:18 |
| fennekki | or, something | 12:18 |
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| fennekki | I mean the point after the update indicator goes away could appear to take a long time for some people as far as I recall | 12:18 |
| chem|st | blank screen? ah when booting for some people it hung for a while as there where apps to update first | 12:18 |
| fennekki | yeah, that, and I think shutting down during that was one of the reasons that could botch the update | 12:19 |
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| fennekki | presumably it takes longer depending on connectivity if it's because of app updates | 12:19 |
| adherry | so maybe i botched it because the device seemed to be off? | 12:19 |
| chem|st | adherry: yes | 12:20 |
| adherry | it should tell such things... | 12:20 |
| adherry | so how can I fix this? | 12:20 |
| chem|st | general advice, don't reboot/shutdown before you are back on your homescreen after an update | 12:20 |
| fennekki | well, since you had nothing on it, I guess you could just factory-reset through the recovery mode and try again? | 12:20 |
| adherry | okay | 12:21 |
| chem|st | and that advice applies to close to everything I know off | 12:21 |
| chem|st | of | 12:21 |
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| fennekki | recovery needs a computer with Remote NDIS drivers, though - they're easy to install on Windows and a lot of Linux kernels probly have them built in. Dunno about OSX | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | horndis | 12:22 |
| adherry | i have windows | 12:22 |
| adherry | where do I get those drivers? | 12:22 |
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| chem|st | I'd go factory-reset from recovery -> skip intro (do not install anything) -> setup jolla account -> update -> start from there | 12:22 |
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| fennekki | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- the guide here includes driver installation adherry | 12:23 |
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| fennekki | also, did you check which version you had before the update | 12:23 |
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| fennekki | or does anyone else know what they ship jolla with nowadays | 12:23 |
| fennekki | probably a recent version? I hope so because it means you get proper recovery even after factory reset in case anything ever goes massively wrong | 12:24 |
| fennekki | it's hardly relevant here, though | 12:24 |
| adherry | could tell you if my jolla would boot^ | 12:24 |
| adherry | I dont have a other devices category in the device manager | 12:25 |
| chem|st | the newly shipped came with 1.0.8 I think | 12:25 |
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| chem|st | adherry: you will get that category when the phone is plugged in | 12:26 |
| adherry | also, when I start the phone like in the tutorial, the led turns off | 12:26 |
| chem|st | that is fine | 12:26 |
| adherry | connected phone, still no other devices | 12:26 |
| fennekki | it doit doesn't, it doesn't matter - if it stays on the Jolla screen it's in recovery | 12:27 |
| chem|st | adherry: follow the guid step by step... put your phone in recovery mode, then connect to your computer | 12:27 |
| adherry | I startet the phone | 12:27 |
| adherry | it stayed at jolla | 12:27 |
| adherry | then connected usb | 12:27 |
| chem|st | replug? | 12:28 |
| adherry | nop | 12:29 |
| fennekki | god dammit my connection is horrible, it keeps resetting all the time. Sorry fr or the strange yttypos. | 12:29 |
| chem|st | adherry: teh led is off? | 12:29 |
| adherry | yes | 12:29 |
| adherry | turned off after like 3 seconds | 12:29 |
| chem|st | shut it down by longpressing the powerbutton | 12:29 |
| adherry | hmm | 12:30 |
| chem|st | until it is really off, no leds no nothing | 12:30 |
| adherry | how long | 12:30 |
| chem|st | 10seconds | 12:30 |
| adherry | it is still not off | 12:30 |
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| adherry | still doesnt want to turn off | 12:32 |
| fennekki | unplug all cables, press power button until it's off, take out battery | 12:32 |
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| adherry | i didf, still nothing | 12:32 |
| chem|st | holding for how long? | 12:32 |
| adherry | like 20 sec each time | 12:33 |
| adherry | shut it down by removing battery? | 12:33 |
| fennekki | well, if it's stuck... I did that, and it didn't seem to have any adverse effect | 12:34 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: any advice? | 12:34 |
| adherry | ok killed it :( | 12:34 |
| adherry | try starting to recovery again? | 12:35 |
| fennekki | yeah, try that | 12:35 |
| fennekki | battery in, boot to recovery, plug in USB | 12:35 |
| fennekki | in that order, obviously | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: taking care of child atm (on vacation | 12:35 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: have fun ;) | 12:35 |
| adherry | ok, did reboot, led turned off again | 12:36 |
| adherry | still not showing up in device manager | 12:37 |
| adherry | windows still notices that a device connects and disconnects every time | 12:37 |
| fennekki | is it showing up as an Unknown device | 12:37 |
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| Tegu | thanks sledges. had a lo at logcat and it seems that it's an out-of-memory issue :( "E/dalvikvm-heap( 9049): Out of memory on a 32784-byte allocation." | 12:38 |
| adherry | under which category | 12:38 |
| fennekki | uuhh, I can't remember, actually | 12:38 |
| fennekki | Windows 7? | 12:38 |
| adherry | 8.1 pro | 12:38 |
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| fennekki | Well, it's roughly the same in this regard | 12:39 |
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| coderus | just go to recovery and write my stored factory image with dd to device using sdcard :D | 12:41 |
| coderus | https://coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/README.html | 12:41 |
| coderus | if you want a link to factory image pm me | 12:41 |
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| fennekki | coderus: the problem here seems to be getting to recovery | 12:42 |
| sledges | official instructions wouldnt help? https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763 | 12:42 |
| sledges | and remind me, why would one need usb connection during recovery? | 12:43 |
| fennekki | ...to telnet to the device to actually use the recovery menu? | 12:43 |
| * sledges doh! | 12:43 | |
| sledges | :D | 12:44 |
| adherry | thank you steve jobs for creating os x | 12:46 |
| adherry | my mac can open recovery^ | 12:47 |
| fennekki | hehee | 12:47 |
| fennekki | Apple saves the day | 12:47 |
| adherry | another good reason to own a mac | 12:47 |
| fennekki | or any non-windows device anyway | 12:48 |
| fennekki | anything involving strange devices is easier | 12:48 |
| fennekki | hell, I've found that the CXBox 360 controller drivers are better on Linux | 12:49 |
| fennekki | XBox* | 12:49 |
| dr_gogeta86 | adherry, is just a windows crap driver ... | 12:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | just fix and works also recovery | 12:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, are you busy ? | 12:53 |
| adherry | well, hope it works this time | 12:53 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: I can find time to help | 12:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | f_serial on jolla phone | 12:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've thinkered a bit on holydays to export a virtual serial device | 12:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | using android gadget driver | 12:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but everytime i've touch some serial device baseband crashes | 12:55 |
| fennekki | also hey | 12:55 |
| fennekki | in case anyone's interested | 12:55 |
| fennekki | using the nodejs and pinentry packages on openrepos it's possible to get keybase running on jolla with no modifications | 12:55 |
| fennekki | did that just to try it last night | 12:55 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: exporting the serial link on usb should be easy. But the baseband relation to that I don't know | 12:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | qcom misteries | 12:56 |
| adherry | 1.0.4.20 | 12:58 |
| adherry | is the shipped version | 12:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | any info about android_usb | 12:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | or are NDA materials | 12:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 12:59 |
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| adherry | 3 overlapped triangles about wifi connection mean what? | 13:04 |
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| adherry | it complains about connection problems all the time now | 13:05 |
| adherry | now its an empty wifi cone with a star in it | 13:05 |
| fennekki | okay | 13:05 |
| fennekki | go to wifi settings, disable wifi, re-enable it | 13:05 |
| fennekki | and it should reconnect | 13:05 |
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| adherry | they really need wps | 13:07 |
| adherry | now it has problems with connecting to wifi | 13:10 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: what do you want to know about android_usb? | 13:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i wanna export an usbserial device | 13:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i know is possibile on nexuses | 13:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | with some strange profiles | 13:12 |
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| phdeswer | should not be different than on any other android device through sysfs | 13:13 |
| phdeswer | Of course you can make a new mode for usb-moded so you could even get it in the ui | 13:13 |
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| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: actually you don't. You can get a serial one from usb-moded git | 13:15 |
| phdeswer | Copy this file https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded/blob/master/config/dyn-modes/android_at.ini to /etc/usb-moded/dyn-modes and restart usb-moded | 13:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | tnx | 13:16 |
| adherry | so, second try on updating | 13:16 |
| phdeswer | You should get some serial connection then. Also it will show up in the ui as mode: 15 (or similar number) | 13:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | se you later | 13:17 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: ok :) | 13:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *see | 13:17 |
| adherry | wow | 13:18 |
| adherry | this time there is a progress bar | 13:18 |
| adherry | wasnt there last time | 13:18 |
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| adherry | my first 2 hours of sailfish in a nutshell: | 13:20 |
| adherry | set it up | 13:21 |
| adherry | brick | 13:21 |
| adherry | rescue it | 13:21 |
| adherry | upgrade seems to work this time | 13:21 |
| adherry | last time I didn't even get a progress bar | 13:21 |
| adherry | just a black screen | 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | adherry: yeah bad luck for you :d | 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | adherry: my first three days of Saliish got my phone on MOnday :) | 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | set it up | 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | do the tutorial, look around the tutoral look around the OS :) | 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | be told here I should upgrade, don't bother to upgrade yet, since not bored of the current version of the OS that came shipped yet, but upgrade soon, may recover first though, put Anroid apps on some and such, I should look at the native apps more realy | 13:22 |
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| sebsebseb | adherry: at last I know to make suer it stays on whewn I do upgrade though :) | 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | and things like that, since you, thanks :) | 13:23 |
| adherry | well | 13:23 |
| adherry | on the first try it did not even start the upgrade | 13:23 |
| adherry | it just turned off | 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | wel I had some isses downlaoidng the upgrade | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seemed | 13:24 |
| adherry | this time it went from ui to tht sailfish thing with a progress bar | 13:24 |
| adherry | last time simply black screen and off | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then alter it said ready to install, but yes as I just put, not upgrading just yet | 13:24 |
| * sebsebseb has an annying thing in aptotisde though now uh | 13:24 | |
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| sebsebseb | asking if I have a virus detected on Android and to scan if so. yeah banner hting | 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | I guess it has ads to like Google play does at times, and apps uh | 13:25 |
| adherry | you know, you should call your provider and block 3rd party billing | 13:26 |
| adherry | saves a lot of hassle | 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | 3rd party billing? | 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | you mean when an app charges? | 13:26 |
| adherry | old wap thing | 13:26 |
| adherry | you remember the ringtones that costed money every week or so? | 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | old wap thing what you mean? | 13:26 |
| tadzik | hmm, I seem to recall there was an app (android, perhaps), that measured internet usage per-app, does it ring a bell for yu? | 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | no didn't real use those | 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | anyway on my Android phoen towards the end of last year, turns out I was subscribed to some app without knowing | 13:27 |
| adherry | sometimes called premium services | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | being chared £4 per week | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | and it lasted two months as well when I wasn't realy using hte phone got a text | 13:27 |
| adherry | some malicious simply put themselves on your bill | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | yeah it seems someone subscribed to some app using my number | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | some how | 13:27 |
| adherry | and since phones answer to wap requests for your imei they can do it via browser | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | or something | 13:27 |
| tadzik | ah, there is nethogs in openrepos | 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | got that app canaleld, but after being charged, I haen't emialed the about that, was going to, mght get a refund | 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | the app provicer that is | 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | on my ANdrid phone this is | 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | as for Jolla I haven't even got that on a network just yet, since I don't have a minisim | 13:28 |
| tadzik | it doesn't seem to accumulate stuff though | 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | tadzik: what are you saying I am not folowing? | 13:29 |
| tadzik | sebsebseb: nethogs, measuring bandwidth usage | 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | how does aptoisde work really, well the Jolla store | 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | it seems there's like a sanner thing on it and it can test stuff against Google Play even | 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | and someitmes says someone from aptotisde tested the app that it's safe, but can anyone upload to JOlla store | 13:30 |
| sebsebseb | ? | 13:30 |
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| sebsebseb | any why do I get these banners warning about possible viruses, at the bototm of aptoide hwen going on pages for apps now to hmm | 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | well it asks about viruses, with a ? says about sanningg for most even if wanting to do that | 13:31 |
| * sebsebseb hates adverts on phones | 13:32 | |
| fennekki | sebsebseb: it's just an advert | 13:32 |
| adherry | now to my last problem | 13:32 |
| fennekki | or | 13:32 |
| fennekki | wait | 13:32 |
| fennekki | in aptoide? | 13:32 |
| adherry | formatting the sd card | 13:32 |
| fennekki | sebsebseb: on aptoide people can report viruses in apps | 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | fennekki: yeah I seen all that | 13:33 |
| fennekki | adherry: what's the problem there | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but what's my baner about | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | I am getting it on every page at the moment | 13:33 |
| adherry | ext4^ | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | banners there are diffenret ones | 13:33 |
| fennekki | sebsebseb: could be an ad? | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | yes looks like an ad | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | I guess it may change to another one, but it's annoying | 13:33 |
| fennekki | adherry: I reckon ext4 should work | 13:33 |
| adherry | yeah, have to format the card first^ | 13:33 |
| adherry | problem is, I have no native linux machine | 13:34 |
| fennekki | is there mkfs.ext4 on jolla? | 13:34 |
| adherry | and after reading that one guy that formated / i dont want to do it on the jolla | 13:34 |
| sebsebseb | fennekki: aptoide Jolla store, generaly quite safe as wel, I ony have istalled trusted apps on the phone so far | 13:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's quite safe in general? | 13:34 |
| fennekki | I have no idea of what you're trying to ask | 13:35 |
| sebsebseb | wel about malware etc | 13:35 |
| sebsebseb | if an app is trusted in Jola's aptoside store, then t probably is clean? | 13:35 |
| fennekki | There probably isn't specialised sailfish malware yet | 13:35 |
| fennekki | Aptoide isn't safe | 13:35 |
| fennekki | necessarily | 13:35 |
| fennekki | if it's in the Jolla store on Aptoide then it probably is | 13:36 |
| fennekki | I dunno who handles that store so it's hard to say | 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I seen there are a load of other stores that can be added to aptoide to, but I won't use those | 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | only the officcal Jolla one | 13:36 |
| fennekki | apps and Jolla seem to be two safe stores | 13:36 |
| fennekki | apps is operated by Aptoide | 13:36 |
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| fennekki | and mostly seems to host latest versions of stuff that's on other major app stores as well | 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | what I noticed is a lot of apps in the Jolla aptoide one have a trusted icon, and htey beeen scanned, and so on | 13:37 |
| fennekki | probably, yes | 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | well it usauly says that it's been sanned, matches the signature, or etc yeah | 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | fennekki: someone said here ysterday I think it was that the Andorid apps run seperatly on Jolla anyway | 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | in a sandbox | 13:38 |
| tadzik | https://together.jolla.com/question/75513/measuring-which-app-eats-the-bandwidth/ call for upvotes :) | 13:38 |
| fennekki | I dunno if they're sandboxed but they do run in a somewhat separate environment | 13:39 |
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| sebsebseb | so even if wre to get a malicious Android app installed into Jolla, it woudn't really infect the phone etc? | 13:39 |
| fennekki | it probably could but it might not do what it's meant to do due to the fact that you're not actually running Android | 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | yeah a bit like with Wine in Desktp Linux | 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | in that sense | 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking? | 13:40 |
| fennekki | probably | 13:40 |
| fennekki | kinda like wine | 13:40 |
| tadzik | also in a way that aliendalvik can access your entire filesystem just as well as wine can | 13:40 |
| pp | well, kernel is androidish, might do nasty stuff there | 13:40 |
| fennekki | so you don't want malware in any case | 13:40 |
| tadzik | iow no sandboxing whatsoever | 13:40 |
| fennekki | pp: yeah if it exploits kernel stuff then it'll probly work | 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | ok, but generaly can just stick w ith aptoide and the offial Jolla store, and if it says trusted, should be fine? | 13:41 |
| pp | clever enough to deal with minor differences is a separate question :-) | 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | here's one actsaully, Android has anti malware progrmas, most peope don't boether iwth that, does salifish have anything no? and if were to intsal l Android anti malware would only do android apps I guess. | 13:42 |
| * sebsebseb doesn't realy want to have a anti virus installed, and doesn't think it's nessarey really, but still the questions | 13:42 | |
| fennekki | it's probably not necessary. I guess in theory someone might get clamav working on Jolla but it's probably not necessary if you only install from trusted sources | 13:43 |
| pp | av is just another injection vector, often running at elevated privileges ;) | 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | ok, but aptoidee Jolla store, is seen as being a trustd source yes? | 13:45 |
| fennekki | you could run clamav "offline" from recovery, I guess | 13:45 |
| fennekki | sebsebseb: I suppose yes | 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but some random aptoide store from the suggested, I gues isn't realy a trusted source though on the other hand | 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | seems thee's a lot of those | 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | I was looking earlier | 13:46 |
| fennekki | yeah don't use just any random store | 13:46 |
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| sebsebseb | seem's tere's another Jolla store to, with not much in it, but yes when I looked. could be a fake one in fact. I don't know | 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | hmm I guess aptoside is a bit like Ubuntu ppa's anyone can do a ppa really that wants to | 13:47 |
| fennekki | yes | 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but some ppa's are offical etc | 13:48 |
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| sebsebseb | ok so another question then on a another subject to | 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | what about security updats and Jolla or stability ones? | 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | or does it all just come as a big update? | 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | for the OS | 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | or apps I guess | 13:49 |
| phdeswer | sebsebseb: they come along with the regular updates | 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | phdeswer: yeah I haven't done my first upgrade just yet, fro what's shipped on the phone | 13:50 |
| fennekki | there have been a few security updates, haven't there? they are installed exactly like regular ones | 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I get the impresion that's to a quite a lot later versoin of the OS that one even | 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | then apaprnaty had to upgrade again to, to get the latest, going by what omeone put here before | 13:50 |
| phdeswer | Yes for big issues like the ssl heartbleed we released a hotfix, otherwise they come with the updates | 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | hmm that's a point | 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | well I dind't think of this, but | 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | I guess the shipped version is vunverbable to heartbleed | 13:51 |
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| sebsebseb | ? | 13:51 |
| fennekki | what did it ship with | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | if you get 1.0.4 then yes, but the attack vector is pretty small I hear | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | and people usually just update the phone as one of the first things | 13:52 |
| sebsebseb | not realy used it for that much anyway so far, main thing I done is installed a few Andorid apps to try on JOlla. plan is to do a factory reset soon. and upgrade prperly after that | 13:52 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I would normally with Linux distro's to | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | since I hadn't used selifish OS before | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | I wanted to have a good play with the shipped version first | 13:53 |
| phdeswer | sebsebseb: well depending on which one that is, the current user experience should be a lot better | 13:54 |
| sebsebseb | yes peopel wre saying the verison it comes iwth is rubish, and the later is better etc | 13:54 |
| sebsebseb | here before | 13:54 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking factory re set on Friday evening or something and then set thins up again, and upgrade yep :) | 13:55 |
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| sebsebseb | its just a toy really at the moment :d, can't even use it as an actsual phone yet, since need a minisim, but plan was to swith network anyway, and then I'll gget one :) | 13:56 |
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| sebsebseb | however my contract may have another month left hmm | 13:56 |
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| Nicd- | it has microsim, not minisim | 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | yes microsim | 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | that's what I meant hten | 13:57 |
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| Nicd- | minisim is the "classic" sized sim | 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | minisim is what I got two years ago in my other phone it seems | 13:58 |
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| sebsebseb | or I gues | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | http://graphics.soundelectronics.biz/sim-card-size-comparison.jpg | 13:58 |
| temmi_moo | i've never owned a phone with regular sim | 13:59 |
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| temmi_moo | only minisims and now microsim for jolla | 13:59 |
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| sebsebseb | yes it's not the size of a bank card | 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | what my other phone has | 14:00 |
| Jope | I've owned a phone with a regular sim too (bank card sized one) | 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | so I guess it's the Minisim | 14:00 |
| Jope | and it was always accessible. :-D | 14:00 |
| Jope | motorola microtac 5200 | 14:00 |
| Jope | you could slide a switch on the side and remove the card whenever | 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini is my other phone | 14:00 |
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| tadzik | it's funny how it took them 4 iterations to finally get rid of the useless parts | 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | who? | 14:01 |
| tadzik | well, people who come up with sim sizes | 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 14:01 |
| Jope | these small smart cards are a pain to store though | 14:01 |
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| Jope | you need some kind of locket around your neck to keep them safe.. :-P | 14:01 |
| tadzik | just how many sims do you need on your neck? :) | 14:02 |
| Jope | in reality, not that many. | 14:02 |
| Jope | but I have a big pile of test sims at work | 14:02 |
| Jope | and even in micro sim size they're annoying to store | 14:03 |
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| temmi_moo | the smaller the annoyinger | 14:04 |
| Jope | yep | 14:04 |
| Jope | microsds are also a pain to store | 14:05 |
| Jope | I tend to stick them in micro -> normal adapters if I have loose ones | 14:05 |
| fennekki | I store my microsds inside devices | 14:05 |
| fennekki | har | 14:05 |
| Jope | that's nice if you only have as many as you have devices. | 14:05 |
| fennekki | also, I have an adapter permanently stuck on this laptop with a sd port | 14:05 |
| fennekki | because I only have microsds | 14:05 |
| Jope | I still have some 16MB MMCs .. | 14:06 |
| Jope | I guess I should just zero them out with DD and throw them into SER | 14:06 |
| Jope | but since they don't take up much space, in the big box 'o cards they go... | 14:06 |
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| friese | hehe, i have some old sd-cards which i just couldn't thrown away, those 128mb bad-boys cost a fortune back then... | 14:07 |
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| fennekki | speaking of older storage media, I actually saw a place that sold 3½" floppies last month | 14:09 |
| friese | humm, i still use them sometimes | 14:09 |
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| friese | actually built a punchcard-reader/writer with usb-connection some time ago, though that's only practical for very small data | 14:10 |
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| fennekki | :D | 14:12 |
| fennekki | where would you even find punched cards anymore | 14:12 |
| friese | well in germany there are a few places still selling them | 14:12 |
| friese | i think some old sewing machines and medical equipment or sth. like that still use them | 14:13 |
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| TemeV | not surprised you'd find those in germany. Even c cassettes seemed to be still main stream there :) | 14:32 |
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| iekku | community meeting starting soon | 15:00 |
| Yaniel | oh | 15:01 |
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| sledges | sailfishos community collaboration @ #mer-meeting now | 15:01 |
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| sledges | whoops 2nded that ;P | 15:02 |
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| sledges | PSA ^ | 15:02 |
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| adherry | connecting to eduroam is…….ugly | 16:02 |
| adherry | but I made it | 16:02 |
| adherry | now my phone is nearly fully functional | 16:02 |
| Yaniel | 7ndeed | 16:02 |
| adherry | never thought I would configure a phone via ssh | 16:03 |
| Yaniel | hehe | 16:03 |
| Yaniel | it is surprisingly nice to do that way | 16:04 |
| tadzik | hmm, does anyone have any experience with using the Mobile Vikings app outside Belgium? | 16:04 |
| temmi_moo | Jope: in the days of micro-tac ii i preferred the 2011i since it had usable sms | 16:04 |
| Jope | I hateed the microtac | 16:04 |
| temmi_moo | indeed | 16:05 |
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| adherry | I hated that I had to unbrick my phone after just half an hour of usage | 16:11 |
| jcbjoe | is the jolla phone durable ? i swear i took it out the box and was scared it would break lol | 16:13 |
| tadzik | it is | 16:13 |
| tadzik | source: I drop it all the time | 16:13 |
| jcbjoe | ok | 16:13 |
| jcbjoe | on concrete ? | 16:13 |
| tadzik | not sure if I ever dropped in on concrete | 16:14 |
| tadzik | usually wooden floor | 16:14 |
| adherry | donno | 16:16 |
| adherry | didnt drop it so far^^ | 16:16 |
| tadzik | pop it don't drop it | 16:17 |
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| SK_work | it is durable, mine is dropped (on carpet), but catapulted | 16:20 |
| SK_work | as I have it charging at the office, and the charging wire often got caught in my chair | 16:20 |
| SK_work | launching the jolla on the floor | 16:20 |
| tadzik | heh, seems like no file manager can do the equivalent of du -s | 16:20 |
| adherry | my mother always complains about my phones | 16:21 |
| adherry | she inherits my old phones and there are always some scratches on them | 16:21 |
| adherry | hmm, the pin lock got me….minimum of 5 numbers | 16:23 |
| adherry | only use 4 digit pins | 16:23 |
| adherry | darn | 16:23 |
| adherry | have to remember a new one | 16:23 |
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| tadzik | I don't remember when I last used a PIN | 16:26 |
| tadzik | otoh, I'm on prepaid all my life | 16:26 |
| adherry | well, still locking a device is good | 16:27 |
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| tadzik | oh yes | 16:27 |
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| ballock | I just got a group sms... or acutally a group mms. | 16:33 |
| ballock | Unlike at the android guys, the UI does not list any other recipients and I can't respond to the group. | 16:34 |
| ballock | Is that a known lack of feature? | 16:34 |
| TemeV | grup sms o.O I didn't know such things exist | 16:34 |
| TemeV | *group | 16:34 |
| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, no luck | 16:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | with usbserial | 16:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | on linux | 16:35 |
| ballock | TemeV: I didn't, either, up until now. | 16:35 |
| TemeV | I think messaging app on Jolla doesn't support group chats | 16:35 |
| ballock | TemeV: It looks like I'm getting random SMSes from the people which respond to the group MMS | 16:36 |
| ballock | each are reported as MMS in the event screen | 16:36 |
| ballock | then in the Messaging app view they claim to be regular SMSes | 16:36 |
| TemeV | strange :) | 16:37 |
| ballock | well, at least they arrived and are readable | 16:38 |
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| ballock | I reported it as https://together.jolla.com/question/75552/messaging-application-does-not-support-group-sms-or-group-mms/ | 16:50 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, no luck | 17:01 |
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| sebsebseb | heh just dropped my Jolla phone first time, well it was connected to the USB cable so went off foot stole onto the floor | 17:18 |
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| sebsebseb | now it's all broken and I only got it on Monday, no not really to the all broken :) | 17:19 |
| SK_work | all broken ? | 17:20 |
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| sebsebseb | SK_work: yes that was a joke about it getting all broken afte what I just put | 17:21 |
| SK_work | meh | 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | it did go on a hard floor though, but also feel on the case on back | 17:22 |
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| sebsebseb | a bit of a drop, but nothing major I GUESS | 17:22 |
| ottulo | I've dropped mine several times on the pavement, rocks, floor etc, and only have a couple small scratches | 17:22 |
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| sebsebseb | ottulo: yeah indeed phones drop/fall someitmes | 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | it was connected to the usb cable connected to net book | 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | moved net book and yeah | 17:23 |
| ottulo | sebsebseb: I've done that too, accidentally pulled the cord | 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I was doing that a lot recently with my other phone before even getting my Jolla | 17:23 |
| ottulo | it's not that I drop the phone often, just that I've had it for a while :) | 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but ok now first time for Jolla to | 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | lasted about three days and then that :d | 17:24 |
| SK_work | the aluminium part is quite sensible to scratches though | 17:24 |
| SK_work | it will loose the black color quite quickly | 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | SK_work: sensitie you mean? | 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | alumiu part the screen? | 17:25 |
| SK_work | can be scratched quite easily | 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | sensitive and screen? | 17:25 |
| SK_work | top part | 17:25 |
| SK_work | (with the Jolla encarving) | 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | I took the plastic bit off on it | 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | why do phones come with a plastic labbel anyway? | 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | on the screen | 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | just more protection? | 17:25 |
| ottulo | so it doesn't get scratches/dust before reaching the customer | 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok yeah I guess | 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | anyone want an Android phone? heh heh, seems most apps work well on Jolla, some require stuff before they work though | 17:26 |
| SK_work | my screen is not scratched (unlike on the N9/N950) | 17:27 |
| ottulo | it's a huge bother trying to get the particles off the screen even in a supposedly clean environment (say, mobile phone manufacturer's building where the phones are being assembled/packaged) :P | 17:27 |
| SK_work | it's just greasy as hell | 17:27 |
| SK_work | :s | 17:27 |
| ottulo | SK_work: I know how that is | 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | yeah anyone want an Androd heh heh? | 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | that's just awesome really that Jolla can use like al it's apps :) | 17:27 |
| ottulo | but I just wipe it off on clothes usually, since I have a cheap screen protector anyway | 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I suppouse since Android is open source really etc, well yeah | 17:27 |
| SK_work | ottulo: I wipe it every week | 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | hmm are Iphone apps don in some sort of propritary way, that Jolla can't support? | 17:28 |
| SK_work | sebsebseb: search cider iOS android on google | 17:28 |
| Waitee | yes | 17:28 |
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| SK_work | there was a vm done to run iOS apps on android | 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | yum cider to drink :d | 17:29 |
| Waitee | i suppose that's even more glued on feature than the android support on jolla | 17:30 |
| * SK_work likes cider too | 17:30 | |
| SK_work | Waitee: indeed | 17:30 |
| ottulo | cider, that's what I should ask my gf to bring from the ship | 17:30 |
| SK_work | what I want though is to be able to glue android apps on some Qt Sailfish Silica gui | 17:30 |
| SK_work | :s | 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | ship or shop? | 17:30 |
| ottulo | cruise ship | 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh nice :) | 17:30 |
| Waitee | space ship? | 17:30 |
| ottulo | tax free and such | 17:30 |
| ottulo | I wish | 17:31 |
| temmi_moo | spice must flow | 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | I should look at Salifsi happs really I mean install othe ones | 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | not really looked into tha much yet | 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | been doing loads of stff ith aptoide today | 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | stuff with | 17:31 |
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| sebsebseb | shame the girls voice app didn't sem to work ther were two of them actsaully | 17:32 |
| ottulo | the official store selection isn't all that large yet, so it's not too much trouble going through all of them (to take a look at details, that is - not to try out each) | 17:32 |
| Waitee | i personally dont see much point in relying to android apps on sailfish | 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | record something and get it converted into diffenret girls voices that sounded fun | 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | Waitee: most apps are a waste of time really in Android etc | 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | was just looking really at some etc | 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | not really relying on them :) | 17:33 |
| Waitee | :) | 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | alough it's nice to be able to rurn them | 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | since I plan to us the jolla phone for most stuff | 17:33 |
| Waitee | and you shouldnt be too worried about my opinions, after all they're mine | 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | well once I got a real keyboard for it that woul more realistic :) | 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | and yes I know thr was a 3rrd party campain thing | 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | if I can get a rela keyboard for it wow, I am a touch typist you see | 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | doing messages on phones or tabetls is mega slow uh | 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | I gott to run Skype yesterday actsaully run as in it works, I tried on Android devces could nevver log in, een though I hought password was right eah time | 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I got it working on JOlla yesterday and :) | 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | no I don't really like Skype, but sometims chat to peopl on that, oh and Jitsi not sure how to use tha with Skype when I looked at that on computer hmm, but apparnaty it's a Skpe altenative hmm | 17:36 |
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| sebsebseb | Waitee: it's nicer to be able to run natie apps for what's wanted though yep :) | 17:41 |
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| sebsebseb | native above | 17:41 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_PC: did you have any luck in changing the video-codec yet? | 18:05 |
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| tbr | I've filled the FOSDEM topic with some life, please everyone have a look and tell me if I missed something. https://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/ | 18:35 |
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| stephg | tbr: looks like a good start to me | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, ? | 19:00 |
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| locusf | stephg: are you coming :) ? | 19:00 |
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| Obi-Lan | anyone got issues with stuck vibration? | 19:01 |
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| sebsebseb | tbr: Hi your sorting out Jolla at FOSDEM? | 19:01 |
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| tbr | sebsebseb: I'm trying to organize the sailfish community for FOSDEM | 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: I am going to be at FOSDEM | 19:02 |
| tbr | sebsebseb: as sailors are very busy and might not have time to help arranging that | 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | sailors. Jolla people what you mean by? | 19:02 |
| tbr | sailors == jolla employees | 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh right ok | 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | and I assume Jolla will have a stand at FOSDEM again to then? | 19:03 |
| spider-mario | Obi-Lan: yes | 19:03 |
| tbr | I don't think so | 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: oh | 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | well in 2013 it had | 19:03 |
| tbr | neither will the mer/nemo/sailfish community | 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | I rmember going to it at the end of th event | 19:03 |
| spider-mario | Obi-Lan: vibration works only intermittently for me | 19:03 |
| tbr | as the stand application somehow didn't go through | 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | thining not much would happen with Jolla to | 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | and well ok I was wrong :D | 19:04 |
| Obi-Lan | spider-mario: my has two times left vibration constantly on after email buzz | 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: yeah not all projects can be accepted to. there was another one that got cancelled to | 19:04 |
| spider-mario | oh | 19:04 |
| spider-mario | it must be a different issue | 19:04 |
| Obi-Lan | then I'm what the h is that noise | 19:04 |
| spider-mario | I think | 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: you'll be at beer event? | 19:05 |
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| tbr | sebsebseb: that's the plan, because beeeeer | 19:06 |
| dunp | https://twitter.com/GaryGJohnson/status/552626951513726976/photo/1 LoL :D for vi users | 19:06 |
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| sebsebseb | tbr: I am there to some extent with Maagiea project | 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia | 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but reallly I can do whatever I want | 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | whatever talks | 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | whatever dinner even | 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: and some of those Mageia people that go, really aren't social, or not with me anyway | 19:09 |
| tbr | mkay | 19:09 |
| tbr | sailfish people are social | 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | last year I was a bit ike more so after wulds though | 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | hmm what if I had gone to the GNOME dinner | 19:09 |
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| sebsebseb | tbr: also I never got thanked for helping out loads and prperly at the Magie stand, by a paticuar main developer for example | 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | in fact they don't even help out at the stand them sleves from what I have seen | 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | let other volunteer people promote their project hmm | 19:10 |
| tbr | life is cruel | 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | that was last year | 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | thing is now we don't have a FOSDEM release since the next verion has been delayed, and I am not that interestd in promoting the year old Mageia 4 release this year | 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | so I don't intend to be at that stand that much | 19:11 |
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| sebsebseb | get to see some talks again like the two years before that, I didn't see any talks at all last year in the end, since I helped out loads at the stand intead, well new release, releaed for FOSDEM, someone had to do it. espeically since it was th worst stand out of the whole of th event. if I wasn't demoing it on my net book. I guess a lot less discs would have been given out | 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: it's good to get around a bit. maybe get invovled with a nother projedct a bit moer even. I thought of that before. personally I gget anoyed at Mageia at times anyway now since what it can be like. There are a lot of community issues really, because developers are mainly in charge of th whole prorject, and they don't really know how to run community properly. | 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | FOSDEM is awesome loads of differnet projects :) | 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: I remember chatting to two Finnish women at the Jolla stand at the end of FOSDEM 2013, that was soething | 19:15 |
| tbr | two? I know Iekku was there, but the other one was probably cybette - and while living in finland, just like me she's not finnish ;) | 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: only some Mageia people go to beer event if any, and not sure who will be at the moment | 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | well two women, I think at leat one was Finnish yes | 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | maybe not the other | 19:17 |
| temmi_moo | why would not other than mageia people have a beer? | 19:17 |
| tbr | sebsebseb: but, but, but beeeeer event, also _everyone_ goes there. | 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: most people yeah | 19:18 |
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| sebsebseb | exccept for certian people since they want something more quiete | 19:18 |
| tbr | I say meeeeh | 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | last year I didn't even know where the French were going on Friday evening | 19:18 |
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| sebsebseb | that's myself and this American guy | 19:19 |
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| tbr | beer event often has been the most productive part of fosdem for me | 19:19 |
| tbr | it's like foss-networking³ | 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: Mageia is a bit hmm, the dutch people social enough, those of us from UK yes, the Germans etc etc, but the French no not as such, except for maybe one that comes. Also the French don't even just tell us where they ae staying. so most of us in one hotel, and the French some whre else hmm | 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: yes beer event is awesme | 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | when you getting to Brussels? and from where? | 19:20 |
| tbr | need to still book flights | 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | oh from where? | 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | same hee I havevn't booked my flights yet, but soon I wl | 19:21 |
| tbr | I'll either arrive friday morning or friday afternoon | 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | where you coming from? | 19:21 |
| tbr | if' you're going from the UK, consider eurostar, it's quite nice and well priced I hear | 19:21 |
| tbr | I'll be flying in from HEL(l) | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: 10:05 here | 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | eurostar woud be an option if I was closr to LOndon, but well I am not. that's like two hours away via car or train | 19:22 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I'm pondering an early flight because FOMS workshop | 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I can fly from the airpot that's about half an hour to 40 minutes or so away in the car | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i always take early flight as i don't get to eat properly before all the beer else :P | 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | so that's good :) | 19:22 |
| tbr | yeah, ok :) | 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: your going to be thee on FRiday morning for FOSDEM? | 19:23 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: so you'll spend the afternoon stuffing yourself with belgian chocolate? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | sebsebseb: aye | 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: Stskeeps I am thinking I should meet up with you two guys, before hte beer event or someting | 19:24 |
| Nightmare__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQF_iJKg0I | 19:24 |
| Nightmare__ | :D | 19:24 |
| tbr | I'll probably be at a troll dinner beforehand, but if I have time before that, sure | 19:25 |
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| sebsebseb | my flight is 5 someting that's UK time, but lose an hour when going there. I have done it beore where end up well haing to go out straigt away really to the beer event or whatver | 19:25 |
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| sebsebseb | what you mean a troll dinner? | 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | howver it's a bit sucky realy getting thee and havin to go out straight away realy | 19:26 |
| tbr | a secret circle of trolls | 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | last yar I met up with someone on the Thursday eening who came from USA, for Mageia yah | 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | this year might be someon from Magiea there on Thursday, but yeah I am thinking to go early again htis year, even if it means I got Thursday evening on my own | 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | Thursday to Monday yep | 19:27 |
| tbr | I need to figure out my flight options and prices tomorrow. it might be cheaper to fly thursday evening and have the additional night in the hotel | 19:27 |
| tbr | I'll be flying out sunday evening though, pretty sure about that | 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: which hotel do you have in mind? | 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | the one most of us from Mageia stay at is quite cheap | 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but ok enough | 19:28 |
| * tbr has a reservation at the St.Nicholas | 19:28 | |
| tbr | 'bout 60 per night and right smack city center | 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I think mine is about that to, altough a bit outside | 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | I could stay ome where else if I wanted to, no hotel booked just yet either | 19:29 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: eurostar takes any UK train station and includes prices to reach london and london underground transfer in their ticket | 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: eurostar is over there | 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: it's easier to just fly directly from Bristol airport in my case :d | 19:30 |
| sledges | i'm in bristol :P | 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: really are you? | 19:30 |
| sledges | you'll have to get to brussels centre, from the airport. train takes directly into the central train station | 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed can go on trains, but always did the hotel transfer the years I been so far | 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | hotel I been staying at is a bit outside the centre to so | 19:31 |
| sledges | lesson learned: book eurostar >1 month before ;) | 19:31 |
| sledges | tickets already skyrocketing.. | 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: where ae you really? | 19:31 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: BS10 | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: hmm you realy are in Bristol? | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | where abouts? | 19:32 |
| sledges | ^ | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | name of place I meant | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | there's a lot of BS post codes | 19:32 |
| sledges | BS10 is westbury-on-trym | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | oh wow interesting | 19:32 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: ever been to the LUG? | 19:33 |
| sledges | nop | 19:33 |
| sledges | hackerspace is also around btw | 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but | 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | our LUG is ok to | 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | infomrla pub meeting :) | 19:33 |
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| sebsebseb | got a meeting later on this month | 19:33 |
| sledges | cool, will give it a shot(sic) | 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: heh I say Bristol here and osmeone knew what I meant | 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | coincidence | 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | small world | 19:34 |
| sledges | DrainBamaged is also from BS | 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | well with Internet etc :D | 19:34 |
| tbr | hmm, thursday arrival would be 20€ less with a direct flight, need to consider that | 19:34 |
| sledges | we had sailfishos meetup in london hackerspace last summer | 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: direct flight from where? | 19:34 |
| sledges | (and one before that in a london pub too) | 19:35 |
| tbr | HEL←→BRU | 19:35 |
| * sebsebseb wanted to go to the next LUG meeting and be to people like hey look cool I got this Jolla phone :d | 19:35 | |
| sebsebseb | I guess I still can heh heh | 19:35 |
| tbr | and then you have to tell them it's all about systemd and they go like EEEWWWWWW ;) | 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | oh Jolla runs systemd as well? | 19:35 |
| sledges | and pulseaudio | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | and wayland | 19:36 |
| sledges | is wayland made by LP?;) | 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia has well one of hte upstream systemd guy s puttin it in | 19:36 |
| tbr | it's really the lennart-phone, they just didn't want to call it that | 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | so the implemntation of SystemD is quite good in Mageia :d | 19:36 |
| stephg | locusf sadly not :( | 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | probably one of the first distros to embrace SystemD actually | 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia that is | 19:37 |
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| sebsebseb | and yes it's interestin how jolla uses Wayland and BTFS | 19:37 |
| tbr | mhh, gotta bail, laptop battery running out. ttyl y'all | 19:37 |
| temmi_moo | so was systemd the one that does everything that can possibly ever be imagined? also whatever init used to do and give your barista back massages and all | 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | distro's are starting to consider BTFS, but yeah Ext4 for now for most still | 19:37 |
| temmi_moo | funny how zfs is not considered even though it works and is free to use and develop | 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: meet me at the LUG meeting first or something I guess :) | 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: then we could meet again in Brusels to. sounds good to me :) | 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | an idea | 19:38 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: will do, let you know here | 19:38 |
| temmi_moo | its track record is already proven so it must be too boring | 19:38 |
| * sebsebseb probably will start hanging out here actsaully | 19:39 | |
| sebsebseb | for quite a while I din't really bother loding up IRC much in 2014, after using for many yeas | 19:39 |
| sledges | temmi_moo: did you (or someone else) suggest zfs as SD-card zfs support? | 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | I guess channels got boring that I hanged out in mainly so | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | zfs was considered | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: are you just a Jolla user, or do you do something for Jolla? | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | wrong one sledges | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | both is latter | 19:40 |
| sledges | i'm a sailor | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Chief Research Engineer at Jolla. Works with all sorts of strange things to bring you future SailfishOS devices and innovation for them. Passionate about open source and transparency in development. <- me | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | and sledges is my minion | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:41 |
| temmi_moo | sledges: no i didn't except possibly in here | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: oh your Jolla staff? | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: | 19:41 |
| faenil | hahaa | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | ok net book keyboard so uhm yeah messed up high light twice now | 19:41 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: but only when ink dries ;P | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: that's what you want to believe :P | 19:42 |
| sledges | worked until now :D | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: oh ok nice, and I didn't expect thee to be actsaul Jolla staff in Bristol | 19:42 |
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| sebsebseb | Jolla employee's | 19:42 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: we're all over the world | 19:43 |
| sledges | mwhahaha | 19:43 |
| sledges | (the minions :P) | 19:43 |
| temmi_moo | anyhow i'm surprised you didn't want to use zfs | 19:43 |
| sledges | Stskeeps is Gru | 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: where ae you from? and yes meant to go to you this time :) | 19:43 |
| sledges | Lithuania, and yourself? | 19:43 |
| temmi_moo | now seeing this channel have all kinds of trouble with fs after upgrade, i'll perhaps hold on a bit | 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: near Bristol | 19:43 |
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| temmi_moo | Gru? as in, Frank the off road vehicle person? | 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: hmm maybe I am meant to go to the Jolla Saturday dinner instead or something this year. Mageia one can be a bit eh anyway, been the last three years | 19:44 |
| adherry | i have a question. I installed the google play store and a few apps, but they are all german, how can I change the locale of installed android apps? | 19:44 |
| sledges | temmi_moo: and what are minions in your dictionary then :D | 19:44 |
| temmi_moo | i've no idea if "gru" means something | 19:44 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: welcome aboard(sic) | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | last year it seemed GNOME had a good one | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I didn't go to that | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: well I'll see on the day I guess what happens | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but either way a dinner :) | 19:45 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: well, you're already on this channel and own a jolla, fishy enough :D | 19:46 |
| temmi_moo | i once knew a frank going by nickname gru | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | fishy? | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: you need to come to my public speaking group some time in Bristol yes | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: I mean got not so technical APple fan boys a few thee uh | 19:46 |
| temmi_moo | when sailing with jolla for lifesaving, you need to fish for survival so yes | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | who really think Apple is so geat, when it's not | 19:46 |
| sledges | temmi_moo: then you must be 100% correct:) | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | heh ehh | 19:46 |
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| sledges | 21:06 < dunp> https://twitter.com/GaryGJohnson/status/552626951513726976/photo/1 LoL :D for vi users | 19:47 |
| sledges | that made my day | 19:47 |
| temmi_moo | uhhhh | 19:47 |
| * sebsebseb will be telling people about Jolla next time there. that's coing up in about 8 days | 19:47 | |
| temmi_moo | maybe i'll not upgrade for a while | 19:47 |
| temmi_moo | or perhaps i'd need to upgrade soon before those abominations hit the streets | 19:48 |
| temmi_moo | dunno | 19:48 |
| temmi_moo | i've been using vi from fall 1986 | 19:48 |
| temmi_moo | tried some others, liked them a bit, had some trouble, always came back to a vi | 19:49 |
| temmi_moo | recently that has been vim | 19:49 |
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| CaptainRant | I just found jolla on the internet and it rocks :D | 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | CaptainRant: indeed it does | 19:53 |
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| CaptainRant | How much of it is open source, and what are the apps written in? I read it uses Qt. | 19:55 |
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| stephg | CaptainRant: the middleware in it is almost all open, the interface is built upon qt5 and wayland but the UX is (currently) closed | 20:00 |
| CaptainRant | UX? You mean user experience? | 20:01 |
| stephg | yeah, the interface | 20:01 |
| CaptainRant | And the firmware? | 20:01 |
| stephg | that's more complex | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | define firmware | 20:02 |
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| CaptainRant | The bios and bootloader. I don't care about stuff like wifi drivers, etc. | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, well, arm doesn't really have bios and typically bootloader is something that just hands over to a linux kernel of your choosing | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | bootloader can be unlocked | 20:04 |
| temmi_moo | arms are nice | 20:05 |
| temmi_moo | most of the stuff happens in the os instead of like some other architectures where parts of the drivers are external to kernel | 20:05 |
| CaptainRant | I feel like 4 pins for the other part don't provide enough bandwith. Or do they? | 20:06 |
| sledges | temmi_moo: uboot and first stage bootloaders do loads of peripherals init/pinmuxing on embedded arm boards | 20:06 |
| stephg | CaptainRant: I guess it depends what you want to do, it's 400MHz iirc | 20:06 |
| temmi_moo | complex memory arrangements are nicely hidden away from programmer point of view by putting them in one single linear memory space | 20:06 |
| temmi_moo | just that parts of that linear region are flash, parts are mask rom, parts sram and parts ... | 20:07 |
| temmi_moo | yes | 20:07 |
| temmi_moo | you get the drift | 20:07 |
| sledges | yes, kernel sure does loads, but there's more to(before) it | 20:08 |
| kimmoli | otherpart? 4 pins? 400 MHZ ? ? wut? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | TOH | 20:09 |
| temmi_moo | well even if hw is initialized by bootloaders the drivers are still in kernel, no? | 20:09 |
| faenil | guess he meant 400kbit/s | 20:09 |
| kimmoli | i2c 400kbiuts | 20:09 |
| faenil | kbps | 20:09 |
| temmi_moo | oh damn that's too slow for uncompressed audio | 20:09 |
| kimmoli | so one pin | 20:09 |
| stephg | faenil: yes | 20:10 |
| kimmoli | and propably not enough constant for uncompressed | 20:10 |
| sledges | temmi_moo: you get cans of worms everywhere, even in arm | 20:10 |
| * stephg sleepdeprived | 20:10 | |
| temmi_moo | sledges: i'm looking at the peppercake tractor and loudly singing LAALALALAAALAAA | 20:11 |
| kimmoli | but waiting TDM slot to test it with dac | 20:11 |
| temmi_moo | is there any support for external displays for the phone? | 20:11 |
| kimmoli | toholed :) | 20:11 |
| sledges | temmi_moo: just check qualcomm "drivers" - exposed devnode doing nothing else but relaying IOCTLs to userspace and into a closed blob .sp | 20:12 |
| temmi_moo | http://cdn2.berner.eu/cdn22/h9b/hc9/8967435419678.jpg | 20:12 |
| CaptainRant | An adapter would be nice, which allows plugging 2 Jollas together :D | 20:12 |
| sledges | tivoisation their a$$ | 20:12 |
| temmi_moo | sledges: ahh well... that's annoying but still architecturally sound as the whole shebang is under kernel control even if it is a black bag of worms | 20:13 |
| sledges | temmi_moo: so is IA | 20:13 |
| sledges | the havoc starts with QNX | 20:13 |
| temmi_moo | ia? | 20:14 |
| sledges | which has its advantages in mission-critical cases | 20:14 |
| sledges | intel architecture | 20:14 |
| temmi_moo | ah | 20:14 |
| sledges | QNX - microkernel arch | 20:14 |
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| sledges | medical equip is buzzing with QNX | 20:14 |
| sledges | so is BlackBerry:) | 20:14 |
| temmi_moo | i'd like to eventually certify something running riot-os as a medical device | 20:15 |
| sledges | a true pain from developers perspective, means those who survive - are employed for life:) | 20:15 |
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| * stephg wonders if anyone still uses vxworks these days, not for embedded but RT | 20:26 | |
| temmi_moo | dunno | 20:26 |
| temmi_moo | i've just started going down in abstractions | 20:26 |
| temmi_moo | (up as well but that's another story) | 20:26 |
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| CaptainRant | How do you clean your jolla? Only with a wet towel? | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Jolla: don't forget to bring a towel? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
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| temmi_moo | very cosmopolitan to arrive with your own towel | 20:31 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: I might need to custom airbrush one of my ToHs with big friendly letters "DON'T PANIC" | 20:34 |
| gogeta | I want one | 20:35 |
| temmi_moo | i want my | 20:35 |
| temmi_moo | i want my mtv | 20:35 |
| gogeta | http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/127/a/e/don__t_panic_and_carry_a_towel_by_ashique47-d3fu8qd.jpg | 20:35 |
| CaptainRant | Will there be a next jolla? Not that i order it and they release the next version. | 20:36 |
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| stephg | CaptainRant: well the tablet comes out in Q2 | 20:39 |
| stephg | and I hope one day there'll be another device (when this one is long in the tooth) | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | dear lazyweb, has anybody ever seen scroll wheel on it's own in a bluetooth device? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | though i guess a apple magic mouse comes close | 20:44 |
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| temmi_moo | do roller mice count? | 20:53 |
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| temmi_moo | or those thumbwheel things their users claim very ergonomical? | 20:53 |
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| stephg | temmi_moo: was thinking the same thing | 20:55 |
| temmi_moo | good | 20:57 |
| temmi_moo | so, about the external displays are they supported on the jolla phone? tablet? some wayback future mirrorshades device? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | phone - no | 20:58 |
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| temmi_moo | damn | 21:00 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: ~1 year ago you were looking into getting better video quality... | 21:00 |
| temmi_moo | i'm waiting for my jeri-shades to arrive and it'd be supercool to use them with the jolla phone somehow | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | jeri-shades? | 21:01 |
| temmi_moo | castar, technical-illusions.com | 21:02 |
| temmi_moo | made by jeri ellsworth the nerd all nerds dream of | 21:02 |
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| temmi_moo | the same who did that c-64 in a joystick | 21:02 |
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| Stskeeps | that goes on my bookmarks.. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | looks interesting | 21:06 |
| temmi_moo | jeri is interesting | 21:07 |
| temmi_moo | she's also high-school dropout | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | random comic generator, http://explosm.net/rcg | 21:19 |
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| sledges | my one just went to #w | 21:24 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, I havent followed it.. | 21:24 |
| sledges | 2nd too... | 21:25 |
| sledges | laptop needs therapy | 21:25 |
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| sledges | haven't seen rcg in a long time.. | 21:27 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: which hotel were you ggoing to stay in? | 21:30 |
| sledges | bedford | 21:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh where's thatt one? | 21:30 |
| sledges | city centre | 21:30 |
| sebsebseb | I think I'll still go in the one I been in the other years | 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | a bit outside cente | 21:31 |
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| sledges | it's either in the centre, or next to campus - best bets for logistics fosdem<->beer : | 21:31 |
| sledges | (and train station..) | 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: so you would meet me on Friday before beer event? | 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | well can walk to the beer event from my hotel | 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not sure whee quite, did that and back with an American guy last year | 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | may be getting a life with someone even if arrange that, don't know yet | 21:33 |
| sledges | i just subscribed to bristol LUB mailing list, might meet there first | 21:35 |
| sledges | how much is for your hotel? | 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: yes that's what I suggessted ealrier | 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | we got our next meeting on Saturday 24th | 21:35 |
| sledges | seen that, will try to make it (car will be MOTd but who drives to a pub? :P) | 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: well it's a Weathesppons one near Temple Mead | 21:36 |
| sebsebseb | s | 21:36 |
| sledges | yep | 21:36 |
| sledges | maybe DrainBamaged wakes up too, so he can tag along | 21:37 |
| sledges | he's a bit on a windows side, needs redemption %) | 21:37 |
| faenil | lol | 21:38 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: yeah get there for like 2, might even put something on the LUG list about probably having a surpis guest on the LUG list, when I do the email about the meeting closer to the day | 21:40 |
| sebsebseb | your the suprise guest :d | 21:40 |
| sledges | executed for the systemd phone :P | 21:40 |
| sebsebseb | no not at that LUG | 21:40 |
| sebsebseb | tust me | 21:40 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I think most of them use SystemD | 21:41 |
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| sebsebseb | or will do soon even those using Ubuntu | 21:41 |
| sledges | i'll tell you closer to the day if i can make it or not | 21:41 |
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| sebsebseb | yep sounds good to me :) | 21:41 |
| sebsebseb | it will be about 10 people at most | 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | there | 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | on thtat day | 21:43 |
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| salyavin | Gentoo and a Debian fork do not yet. Vast majority do you're right. | 23:27 |
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| popey | depends how you measure "majority" ☻ | 23:28 |
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