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| HtheB | does someone know how to deactivate word prediction? | 02:58 |
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| HtheB | as far as i remember i had to remove some t9 package | 02:59 |
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| phlixi | Hi, | 07:00 |
| phlixi | does this: https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugin-carddav/pull/6 | 07:00 |
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| phlixi | ...mean, that in the next update, u11, Jolla will support CardDAV sync via Owncloud? | 07:00 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: looks like the Jolla tablet might gain high quality, high resolution, low power WebM (VP8) decoding. | 07:06 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgxMjY | 07:06 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 07:06 | |
| Stskeeps | makes me wonder what the existing blob contains | 07:07 |
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| tbr | supposedly the code is quite clean and small too | 07:08 |
| tbr | not the usual ifdef and other things desaster where PVR is involved | 07:08 |
| japa-fi | "LGTM" ? | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | i see VP8 support at least | 07:10 |
| tbr | japa-fi: Looks good to me | 07:12 |
| japa-fi | ah... | 07:12 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: yes, that seems to be the diff to the VA-API | 07:12 |
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| Yaniel | hmm | 07:22 |
| Yaniel | last night my jolla suddenly shut down | 07:22 |
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| Yaniel | after rebooting it said 46% battery and a couple of minutes 0% and shut down again | 07:22 |
| Yaniel | after rebooting it said again 47% | 07:23 |
| tbr | time for contact cleaning? | 07:23 |
| FireFly | Reminds me of the loose battery issue | 07:23 |
| tbr | were you on 2G at the time? | 07:23 |
| Yaniel | 4g | 07:24 |
| Yaniel | I already have the paper piece fix | 07:24 |
| Yaniel | but contact cleaning might help yeah | 07:25 |
| SQUelcher | I've noticed the Jolla has a quite bad reception in my house, mostly none at all, while the E90 still works fine... | 07:25 |
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| Yaniel | also after recharging and booting it now uses significantly less memory than before | 07:25 |
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| tbr | SQUelcher: hmm, nokia had superior antenna design in house, but that much better is surprising | 07:26 |
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| SQUelcher | tbr: probably it's just vodafone's crappy network again :/ | 07:32 |
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| FireFly | I had a reboot recently as well, although it was pretty cold outside and I used 3G and GPS, so I guess that's why | 07:34 |
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| Armadillo | is there any chance for VoLTE for my Jolla?? | 08:33 |
| Armadillo | I've read it currently doesn't work, but the chipset should handle it | 08:34 |
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| chem|st | Armadillo: if there is hardware there could be software... but I doubt any time soon | 08:42 |
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| Armadillo | mid of this year would be enough :) | 08:42 |
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| Armadillo | anyone who's interested in VoLTE, should vote for answer 4: https://together.jolla.com/question/27207/wiki-which-features-do-you-want-to-see-done-next/ :) | 08:43 |
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| SK_work | Armadillo: isn't VoLTE something HW ? | 08:54 |
| SK_work | not sure | 08:54 |
| Armadillo | as I've read it should be something in the firmware | 08:54 |
| Armadillo | not stating in which one | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | i would kind of expect it to be handled by modem | 08:54 |
| Armadillo | https://together.jolla.com/question/54949/does-the-jolla-phone-support-voice-over-lte-volte/ | 08:55 |
| Armadillo | see the answer of chemist | 08:55 |
| SK_work | hum | 08:55 |
| SK_work | I guess qualcomm won't provide Jolla a driver | 08:55 |
| pp | hmn, isn't is pretty much sip over ipv6 or whatnot? | 08:55 |
| SK_work | as they probably won't care about supporting "old" chips | 08:56 |
| Armadillo | provide in the meaning of give it away or first create one? | 08:57 |
| pp | I've heard of (but not seen personally) android phones letting you see that traffic with tcpdump so I guess it could be visible to the host | 08:59 |
| Armadillo | pp as LTE is IP only, you should be right | 08:59 |
| pp | probably requires having the chip in a certain mode | 08:59 |
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| Nicd- | hmm | 09:46 |
| Nicd- | Maps is gone from my "My Apps" again | 09:46 |
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| tbr | Armadillo: AFAIU there won't be VoLTE for the Jolla phone, ever. Mostly as either the chip doesn't support it or it would need a major upgrade by QC and that would need to be paid for and integrated. | 09:57 |
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| tbr | pp: I have never looked at details, but probably they will be handling the voice related parts directly in the baseband to reduce audio latency. So it might be some sort of IP offloading or a separate IP stack. | 09:59 |
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| Armadillo | tbr :( | 10:01 |
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| cvp_ | \o/ | 11:15 |
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| cvp_ | coderus, the ICQ Plugin not work anymore with the new Updates :( - its not possible to setup a account and there no showing the ICQ Logo. Hope you find a little bit time to fix it *fingercross* :) | 11:19 |
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| coderus | cvp_: i'm still not at home | 11:28 |
| coderus | will return about 13 jan | 11:28 |
| coderus | but did you tried to reinstall it? :) | 11:28 |
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| cvp_ | coderus, i do a factory reset and install it.. ;) | 11:29 |
| urs | If I get a "problem with connection" message when attempting to connect to a WLAN... is there any way to see the details of what fails? | 11:32 |
| urs | (I'm trying to setup eduroam using the approach here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399878&postcount=10 ) | 11:32 |
| coderus | urs: probably in journalctl | 11:32 |
| urs | ah, yes, that seems to help | 11:34 |
| urs | "received Deauth frame" probably means that some of my authentication details aren't quite right yet | 11:34 |
| urs | The example talks about EAP=peap and Phase2=MSCHAPV2, but in the wpa_supplicant.conf on all my other systems, I have EAP=TTLS and Phase2=PAP... should I change that? | 11:37 |
| urs | (I'm not sure about the internals of 802.1x... ist that a property of the corresponding authentication server?) | 11:38 |
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| tbr | urs: It might help to test that on a laptop first? with just wpa-supplicant | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/crowdsourcing-producing-something-love/ | 11:49 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: a rather bold statement to make, I hope you have the man power reserved to trawl TJC and groom it. | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: from what i grok, that's part of it | 11:52 |
| tbr | *nod* nice to hear | 11:52 |
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| tbr | the community does a lot of self organization there, but inevitably there needs to be significant effort from jolla. TANSTAFL | 11:53 |
| * Stskeeps looks at a very long list of 'unmerged paths' on his display and ponders to get an intern. | 11:54 | |
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| sebsebseb | hmm | 11:55 |
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| sebsebseb | I am not sure I messed my Jolla phone up, or it needs more charging | 11:55 |
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| Nicd- | what did you do to it? what is it doing? | 11:56 |
| sebsebseb | installed some apps from the Jolla store well tried to, in the shipped version, none of those seemed to work. Androi apps id when I put on before | 11:56 |
| sebsebseb | then turned off | 11:57 |
| sebsebseb | thing is | 11:57 |
| sebsebseb | before when it wasn't that charged even it wouldl oad up the OS, and it's been plugged in via USB cable I think | 11:57 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now I ge | 11:57 |
| sebsebseb | t | 11:57 |
| sebsebseb | a pictur of a plug on the top or something and a kin of z sahpe in the middle which means power I guess | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | it means it's turned off but charging | 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's bee plugged in already. a little purple light at bttom | 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: ok what's what I thought | 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | it had been plugged in via USB already I think | 11:58 |
| Nicd- | yes? | 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | and even at 1% 2% or so i could stil turn on the OS before. | 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now no | 11:58 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't suggest turning it on at 1 or 2 % | 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | just did jolla logo, and black screen when I tried | 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | why not? file system? | 11:59 |
| Nicd- | because, at least from a user's point of view, it stops charging when it boots and needs to boot up to a certain point to start charging again | 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | it should be charged up quite a bit now or so I thought | 12:00 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: ohok | 12:00 |
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| Nicd- | also sometimes for me when it's turned off and charging it doesn't start right away when I long press the power button | 12:01 |
| Nicd- | so I just kind of keep pressing it with varying durations until it boots :D dunno the real procedure | 12:01 |
| sebsebseb | yep bingo power button on for quite a while | 12:01 |
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| sebsebseb | I guess it's just chargin yeah | 12:01 |
| coderus | and please remember phone is not laptop, it still using battery power when chargin, it's not powered from changer directly. | 12:01 |
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| urs | tbr: yep, it works fine with my notebook. I guess it's just the CA certificate file missing now. | 12:08 |
| urs | (but since I forgot to pack a microUSB-Cable, I can only get it onto the phone this evening.) | 12:09 |
| tbr | urs: ok, that goes somewhere into etc and then you run a script to have it hashed | 12:09 |
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| tbr | you could use BT to transfer it :) | 12:10 |
| urs | mmmh... riight. :) | 12:10 |
| japa-fi | with my n900 I once managed to drain the battery to a point that I could not start the phone though it was on USB connection. Thought my phone had died on itself | 12:10 |
| japa-fi | then at some point later when I tried, it booted up | 12:10 |
| japa-fi | The boot process takes more power than just being on idle. after all, the OS and everything needs to be loaded etc etc. lots of activity at boot time. | 12:11 |
| tbr | japa-fi: deep discharge handling is a very tricky thing to implement and even then very hard to understand from a user perspective. | 12:12 |
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| tbr | as general guidance (not jolla specific): use a power supply and a good cable; make sure the device went through a hard reset of the PMIC (e.g. by pulling the battery before attaching it); be _very_ patient | 12:14 |
| urs | tbr: yay, it works | 12:14 |
| tbr | urs: congo-rats | 12:14 |
| tbr | some PMICs might take an hour or more to bring the battery to a "safe to boot" state | 12:14 |
| urs | the best kind of rats | 12:14 |
| japa-fi | tbr that particular user experience wasn't intentional. I was using my N900 as wifi hotspot and it used more electricity than the 500mA ot could draw from the laptop USB. Eventually drained the battery (which was in bad shape anyway). | 12:14 |
| tbr | japa-fi: that's called a negative power budget and should have been handled too, but yes it tends to be harder to catch for reasons (physics are a bitch) | 12:15 |
| japa-fi | I have had other electronic device to brick themselves because the low voltage shutoff had failed. the Li-ion discharged too low state to ever be able to charge again | 12:15 |
| japa-fi | or at least to be able to charge just by putting it to charger.. | 12:16 |
| tbr | one last thing: while charge current can be up to 1A (1000mA) on such a battery, the emergency charge in a deep discharge situation is usually 50mA or _lower_ | 12:16 |
| tbr | so it takes _very_ long to reach a minimal power level that will allow it to survive the boot sequence (because charging usually only gets started once the device is fully booted, there is a dead zone in between) | 12:17 |
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| japa-fi | tbr I think I had the dead zone problem at that point. The old battery optimistically reported too much charge, based on which the OS accepted my request to boot up (power button). While during the bootup sequence, no charging and actually not much juice in battery -> FAIL. | 12:19 |
| tbr | yes | 12:21 |
| tbr | the charge check is usually a simple voltage check | 12:22 |
| tbr | as there is no operating system at this point | 12:22 |
| tbr | it's called EMERGENCY charging for a reason | 12:22 |
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| japa-fi | old batteries are bitch anyway, they are not linear with their voltage reporting. I thought there was issue with hibernation as it never completed on my laptop. Investigated with one of the devs and found out battery reporting "power available 5mins" for some 20 minutes until suddenly in next status (polled like every 5-10secs) it reported <0.1% - <5secs left. | 12:27 |
| japa-fi | Yeah, the hibernation was not able to complete in 5 secs... | 12:28 |
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| Toxip | hello | 12:37 |
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| Toxip | any news on the paid apps front? | 12:48 |
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| faenil | does anyone know what happens if I send my Jolla in for repair because of the reboots? | 14:02 |
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| kimmoli | faenil: factory reset + they'll add some stuff below battery | 14:09 |
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| kimmoli | most propably | 14:09 |
| faenil | kimmoli, srsly :( | 14:09 |
| faenil | my battery is quite tight already.. | 14:09 |
| kimmoli | :) | 14:10 |
| j-doge | faenil: at least try to clean the battery contacts before sending it in | 14:10 |
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| faenil | I'm still so suspicious it all started the very first morning of the u10 update... | 14:10 |
| faenil | yesterday had a drop from 35 to 4%, and it stayed at 4% battery the whole afternoon, even went through 30mins of phonecalls | 14:11 |
| faenil | it actually discharged this morning... | 14:11 |
| kimmoli | i have seen also battery level drops, but got them back after a reboot | 14:11 |
| faenil | yes, I think the battery level gets fixed after reboot | 14:12 |
| kimmoli | just taking battery out and putting it back might help, to get "fresh" contact | 14:12 |
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| sec | Funny, the pictures/videos/ambiance app is suddenly showing 0 pics and videos -.- | 14:29 |
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| sec | I tried refreshing media database through the Sailfish Utilities | 14:29 |
| sec | And restarting | 14:29 |
| sec | It was showing pictures earlier, but not indexing any new ones | 14:31 |
| sec | I think clearing the database made it show 0 now | 14:31 |
| sec | So the tracker daemon is bugging out? | 14:31 |
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| sec | Nvm, tracker-control -se worked | 14:32 |
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| Tofe | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxcgmfaunD8 | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/hacknplay-20150109/ | 18:11 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: Nice! | 18:42 |
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| ced117 | Can someone confirm, that the reason that sailfish os is still using kernel 3.4 is only because of these proprietary android drivers ? | 21:15 |
| ced117 | Stskeeps, maybe ? | 21:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | ced117: basically yes | 21:38 |
| r0kk3rz | there are other things as well, but that's one of the reasons | 21:39 |
| ced117 | i'm sure that's not the only reason, anyway, thank you r0kk3rz :-) | 21:40 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik anyway | 21:40 |
| r0kk3rz | but stskeeps is the man to ask | 21:40 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 21:44 |
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| sebsebseb | so uhmm | 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | well | 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | it lasted about three or four days | 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | and now problems with my Jolla phone | 21:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: what problems? | 21:50 |
| sebsebseb | ok so | 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | the shipped version that came with working great orking workkng great working great, working great, uhmm put a load o Adorid apps on to try aptoside out and yeah | 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | tried camera out etc etc | 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then today | 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | I thought well I should put some more actsual native salifish OS apps on really to try that | 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | and none of those would work it seems for a start, bu hten I powered it off or whatever, and then well | 21:52 |
| Yaniel | guess why they didn't work | 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | I thought it may have just been a needing to get charged up again issue for some reason, but nope plugged in for hours, I turn it on and just get the Jolla log o now | 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | now it turns itself off | 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: since they are made for a later version of the OS | 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | the OS doesn't load up now | 21:53 |
| Yaniel | exactly | 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | it just does the logo and that's it | 21:53 |
| Yaniel | they are built for Qt5.2 | 21:53 |
| Yaniel | time to try recovery mode | 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | ok that explaisn about the apps, but what about my other issue? | 21:53 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: sounds like recovery time | 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | recveyr mode how., I just get the logo and that's it | 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | then it just goes black on the screen | 21:53 |
| r0kk3rz | and make sure you update to vaaranjarvi | 21:53 |
| Yaniel | power on while holding volume down iirc | 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | well I had planned to mess around with the shipped version first, and thn do a factory restore, and an upgrade | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | all while plugged in to a pc with ssh or telnet | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | not sure which one it was | 21:54 |
| r0kk3rz | shipped version is probably ancient | 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | what about stuff on the sim card | 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | can I Recover any of that first? | 21:54 |
| TemeV | sebsebseb: the shipped version is really bad, you don't want to do anything with that | 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: yes people here said it sucked | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | we did tell you often enough to upgrade immediately | 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | TemeV: yes so people haeve said here a few times already, but the plan was to mess around with it a bit, do a factory restore, and an upgrade and so on from there | 21:55 |
| Yaniel | I'd say you deserve this trip to recovery mode | 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: heh heh | 21:55 |
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| sebsebseb | that's ok if recovery mode works etc :) | 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | fixes stuff | 21:55 |
| r0kk3rz | tbh its pretty bad that the shipped version is as broken as it is | 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | maybe they should chang that then ship a newer one | 21:55 |
| r0kk3rz | always get people coming in here saying they cant update from recovery because the store is broken | 21:56 |
| Yaniel | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763 there we go | 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | of course the tabblet will get a newer veriso, but this is about the phone | 21:56 |
| TemeV | r0kk3rz: I guess re-flasing all those phones would be non trivial task | 21:56 |
| r0kk3rz | TemeV: agreed | 21:56 |
| r0kk3rz | its one of those things that im sure Jolla doesnt like, but has no choice about | 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | what abut stuff on the card | 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | I don't have muchc | 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but any chance of getting hold of those few photos and videos? | 21:56 |
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| sebsebseb | altough if I lost that stuff it's not that importnat really i twas just messing around iwth camera stuff realy | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | if you mean the microSD no worries | 21:57 |
| r0kk3rz | you should be able to take the card out | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | if you want to be perfectly sure jsut take the card out | 21:57 |
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| sebsebseb | no no I don't have a microSD, in fact it's not on a network yet since I need the correct sim | 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | so wherever stuff is put otherwise | 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | then | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | you are confusing SIM and SD | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | SIM is the one you get from your operator | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | SD is a memory card | 21:58 |
| r0kk3rz | card, photos and videos? if you have photos and videos on a SIM card i will be impressed :) | 21:59 |
| TemeV | there is shell in recovery mode so you can move the stuff to sd-card | 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | what about the next upgrade verison which I think isn'tlatest either. ok to do something with? :d | 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | or just for a look around? | 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | before upgrading to the latest | 22:00 |
| Yaniel | don't bother | 22:00 |
| Yaniel | but yes it is a lot better already | 22:00 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: why you want to live in the past? | 22:00 |
| TemeV | there is basically nothing in the old versions that isn't in the new ones | 22:00 |
| Yaniel | there is | 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: I don't | 22:00 |
| Yaniel | old Qt | 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: I just haen't used selifhS untill MONDAY that's all | 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | so all I hae used so far is the shipped version | 22:01 |
| TemeV | Yaniel: I mean something you can see from the ui | 22:01 |
| Yaniel | should've just upgraded to the latest | 22:01 |
| r0kk3rz | thats fine, just make sure you get on the latest version first | 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | when I use it properly etc, start to. I'll be running latest version :) | 22:01 |
| TemeV | and new qt has everything the old one has, right? | 22:01 |
| r0kk3rz | then it'll be smooth sailing | 22:01 |
| Yaniel | especially considering that even the latest one is still not really what I'd call a "stable" release | 22:01 |
| * sebsebseb hold on back in a bit or I think | 22:02 | |
| sebsebseb | let's see if I can actsully watch the news here on that TV without issues | 22:02 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: its pretty good :P | 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | since other people ehre | 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | a certia other one | 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | French thing yeah | 22:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | connmann is a lot better | 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | what's conman | 22:02 |
| r0kk3rz | not perfect, but not the horrible beast we have in tahkalampi | 22:02 |
| * sebsebseb back in about half an hour hopefully | 22:02 | |
| Yaniel | CONNection MANager | 22:02 |
| Yaniel | hrr dem memories | 22:03 |
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| sebsebseb | ok back | 22:44 |
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| sebsebseb | hmm | 23:09 |
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| sebsebseb | where aer the Linux insturctiosn for recovery mode? | 23:09 |
| * sebsebseb don't want to do it in WINDOWS or try to | 23:09 | |
| TemeV | link is right there | 23:13 |
| TemeV | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 23:13 |
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| Jonni | sebsebseb: well basicly they are the same as windows, in linux you can just skip the rndis driver install as usbnet works without need for install drivers. Or have a look at TemeV's link. | 23:13 |
| Yaniel | same as in windows, just use telnet from the terminal | 23:13 |
| Yaniel | aand remember to take the usbnet interface UP after connecting the cable | 23:14 |
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