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| jaacoppi | could, if you stayed a bit longer | 06:08 |
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| PaulePanter | First time, I couldn’t answer the phone due to the Jolla phone lagging. :( | 07:52 |
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| Stskeeps | PaulePanter: what version? | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | and did you modify the oom settings? | 07:57 |
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| PaulePanter | Stskeeps: 1.1.2.16 and I did not modify anything. | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | what did you have running? | 08:00 |
| PaulePanter | Browser, email, SMS, phone and Fahrplan app. | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:01 |
| PaulePanter | Weather app(?) is enabled too and in the background as far as I can see. | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | how much uptime? | 08:01 |
| PaulePanter | So nothing special. No Android apps installed at all. | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | awkward | 08:01 |
| PaulePanter | How can I check for how long it has been running? | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | 'uptime' in terminal | 08:02 |
| PaulePanter | Developer mode is not enabled and no terminal installed. ;-) | 08:02 |
| PaulePanter | I think it’s running over a week. | 08:02 |
| Nicd- | PaulePanter: you can install SailTime to get the uptime, memory status and load averages ;) | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | how about device age? when did you get it? was it bought used? | 08:04 |
| Nicd- | from the app store | 08:04 |
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| PaulePanter | Stskeeps: 15 months ago, directly ordered in the Jolla Store. | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:05 |
| PaulePanter | Nicd-: Thanks. | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | how many factory resets? | 08:05 |
| PaulePanter | None. | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:06 |
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| Pawky|2 | is it just me, or has the jollatides blog gotten silent after christmass, did jolla take the $2.2 million in funding and run? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | huh? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:14 |
| Pawky|2 | :-D | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | jollatides isn't an official blog | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | blog.jolla.com is | 08:14 |
| Pawky|2 | well.. but jollatides is jollas site right? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | no | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | we have one blog, blog.jolla.com | 08:15 |
| Pawky|2 | duh. but they are refereing to it on their official site.. | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 08:15 |
| Nicd- | where? | 08:15 |
| Pawky|2 | maybe not as a blog... but as a news page | 08:15 |
| tadzik | jollatides seems deadier and deadier and dead recently | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | where? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:15 |
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| Pawky|2 | hmm, i am pretty sure I got it in the old days from the site.. where else would I have heard about jollatides.com | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | twitter? | 08:17 |
| Pawky|2 | dont use twitter | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | most people confuse thejollablog as well | 08:17 |
| Nicd- | also the links have been here a lot | 08:17 |
| Pawky|2 | so, jollatides has no formal connection with Jolla then? | 08:17 |
| Pawky|2 | hmm... hmm... | 08:17 |
| Nicd- | Pawky|2: jollatides about page says "Long time Nokia N900 (Maemo)/N9 (MeeGo) fan here. Now currently rooting for Jolla FTW!" | 08:18 |
| Nicd- | but they could be clearer that they are not affiliated with jolla | 08:18 |
| Pawky|2 | maybe i got it from when still on the Nokia N9... in some press release | 08:19 |
| Pawky|2 | well, good to see them alive... any news about the tablet? | 08:19 |
| Pawky|2 | like delivery dates? | 08:19 |
| Nicd- | Pawky|2: read https://blog.jolla.com/ :) | 08:20 |
| Nicd- | but no delivery dates afaik | 08:20 |
| Pawky|2 | I am as of writing :-) | 08:20 |
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| Mikaela | whoever here always says "Real Soon Now™", I blame you for just writing it somewhere as status | 09:03 |
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| jaacoppi | In my hometown we have a bar that has "Free beer tomorrow" printed on the window | 09:29 |
| jaacoppi | tomorrow never comes | 09:29 |
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| temmi_hoo | <3 | 09:43 |
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| Nickleu | weird, my camera stops taking photos | 11:48 |
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| Nickleu | but the android camera app.works just fine. anyone having the same issue? | 11:48 |
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| Nickleu | reboot doesn't help 😔 | 11:49 |
| Mikaela | Nickleu: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ ? | 11:50 |
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| Nickleu | I'm not sure if i get it right but i have about 5Gb of disk space available | 11:52 |
| Bysmyyr | that means nothing | 11:53 |
| Bysmyyr | you have to checnk that btrfs space thing | 11:53 |
| Mikaela | ctrl - f "How to evaluate the situation" | 11:53 |
| Nickleu | ok i shall look into it | 11:54 |
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| Nickleu | OMG so I have to either delete all my photos and music or spend a few hours "balancing" the filesystem? | 12:01 |
| Mikaela | I believe you will have to do the balancing no matter what you do | 12:03 |
| Yaniel | I recommend balancing it | 12:03 |
| Mikaela | moving everything to sdcard that you can move there should probably help | 12:03 |
| Yaniel | it's a bit like defragmenting in old windows versions | 12:03 |
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| Nickleu | wow..... | 12:03 |
| Yaniel | yeah, it sucks | 12:03 |
| Nickleu | guess i should start the command and just go to bed | 12:04 |
| Yaniel | remember to plug in the charger | 12:04 |
| Mikaela | BTRFS isn't officially so ready for production, Jolla took it for some reason though, and on this laptop where I put btrfs to try it, I have fun issue that I must always run btrfs check --repair to all partitions from live media if the battery runs out | 12:04 |
| Nickleu | hoping it will be done the next morning | 12:04 |
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| Mikaela | oh and I could probably ask here, my phone also says that " devid 1 size 13.75GB used 13.75GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28" and I should do the balancing. | 12:07 |
| Mikaela | I don't have so much files on the phone, so can I directly jump to that step 6? | 12:07 |
| Yaniel | start balancing if it allows that | 12:07 |
| Mikaela | ok | 12:08 |
| Mikaela | if I find the phone, it was on this bed just earlier when I was reading book before coming to IRC... | 12:08 |
| Mikaela | so closing everything and stopping Android support | 12:09 |
| Yaniel | now if we had a public flashing tool + rom they could change the fs to ext4 to avoid these metadata explosions | 12:11 |
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| Yaniel | or if there was a driver blob for a newer kernel... | 12:11 |
| pp | well, android hardware so don't see that happening :( | 12:12 |
| temmi_hoo | yaniel or perhaps even zfs that has all the wanted features and none of the bleeding edge insanity | 12:18 |
| Mikaela | that page should mention -w flag with dmesg | 12:19 |
| Mikaela | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 5.82GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 12:23 |
| Mikaela | this is probably good enough now? | 12:23 |
| Yaniel | yes | 12:24 |
| Yaniel | seems reasonable at least | 12:25 |
| Mikaela | :) | 12:25 |
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| ccha2 | why I got this message with btrfs fi show ? ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | it doesn't matter | 12:38 |
| raa700 | ive got that too | 12:39 |
| raa700 | wondering the same thing | 12:39 |
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| ccha2 | I try to format sdcard with btrfs. that took a while and there is not error but I can't mount it | 12:41 |
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| ccha2 | in journalctl There is mmc1: Re-init card rc = -110 (retries = 5) | 12:41 |
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| Shinryuu | no wonder my phone kept shutting down and/or reboot.. one battery support pin was a bit loose and bent | 12:53 |
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| Shinryuu | time to do tests further on, also I have to think how in the heck I bent the whole thing | 12:59 |
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| falfa | I need a yellow second half! | 12:59 |
| falfa | but they are not available! | 12:59 |
| scottc | i have the pink and green :) | 13:00 |
| scottc | very nice | 13:00 |
| falfa | pink would work, but yellow is the shitz | 13:00 |
| falfa | none available :-( | 13:00 |
| scottc | :( | 13:00 |
| falfa | :-( | 13:00 |
| scottc | people thought that my phone was made by Nokia because of my coloured other half | 13:01 |
| scottc | "not quite..." | 13:01 |
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| falfa | peoples ask about my phone, i always reply "i am jolla" | 13:04 |
| falfa | or i am a jolla | 13:04 |
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| falfa | to great joy and wonder to the surroundings | 13:24 |
| scottc | hah | 13:31 |
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| Nicd- | hey tbr, I found a new car for you: http://www.nettikone.com/kraz/255-b/1359794 | 15:37 |
| tbr | heh, cute | 15:43 |
| nib | yep:) | 15:47 |
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| baum | question, i'm trying to ssh into my MerSDK like described there: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish_SDK_Hacks | 17:15 |
| baum | however if i'm using local host as a hostname i'm getting an error that the connection was refused? | 17:16 |
| baum | by chance anyone got an idea why? | 17:16 |
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| * attah wonders why the Jolla is €400 in Namibia | 18:09 | |
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| falfa | i need a yellow second half | 18:54 |
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| arvut | hello | 19:34 |
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| arvut | I need help with connecting my jolla as a mass storage device so I can transfer some music | 19:34 |
| arvut | I can connect it as a camera in kde over usb bus, but can't xfer any file onto the device, only read storage. I just performed system update to 1.1.16 | 19:35 |
| arvut | how do I do this? I work in KDE4, gentoo linux | 19:35 |
| arvut | do I need extra drivers/SDK for the access? or am I restricted to scp and such? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | it should be bog standard MTP | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | like android devices has it too | 19:36 |
| arvut | never actually owned an android device, its all new to me, I'm used to nokia phones (N-series) and they connect as mass storage devices, n9 connects via usb bus and limits the root to `My Docs/` | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | yep, but usb mass storage is a nightmare for OS makers, and MTP is it's successor | 19:38 |
| arvut | oh, and I run hardened kernel with grsec, but I don't see any complaints on grsec in /var/log/messages | 19:38 |
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| arvut | ok, I might need mtpfs then | 19:38 |
| arvut | what does the SDK for linux offer btw? and is it available as a source tarball? | 19:39 |
| arvut | or even better, in some overlay for gentoo | 19:40 |
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| falfa | Stskeeps: why is mass storage a nightmare? | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | falfa: telling apps they can't access user files is not really how world works today | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention fat32, ntfs, exfat issues | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | for bigger mass storages | 19:45 |
| falfa | thats file systems, its pretty well researched stuff i think? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but it also puts constraints on what file systems you effectively can have | 19:47 |
| falfa | which apps need to be told about access, and why cant the files be accessed? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | you'd practically need to unmount the data partition from phone side | 19:47 |
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| Stskeeps | and then export it over usb | 19:47 |
| falfa | yes | 19:47 |
| falfa | is that a nightmare? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 19:48 |
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| falfa | an unmount operation? | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | essentially you'd have to shut off any apps on your phone that accesses the user data partition | 19:49 |
| falfa | it sounds more like an inconvenience to me, but what do i know | 19:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | i thought the main issue was that without MTP there was no hope for btrfs access on anything other than linux | 20:40 |
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| * mjr would be somewhat partial to USB networking with a network file share advertised to the usb host, but doesn't know how automatically that might fare on windows or macos | 20:42 | |
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| mjr | without extra drivers, that is | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | windows needs RNDIS | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | then it can work just like that | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | otherwise you need to install stuff | 20:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | werd, NDIS is a microsoft spec. wonder why i needed to install rndis drivers for the beaglebone black today then | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | rndis is a nice way of doing usb networking | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: yeah but being an MS thing shouldnt it be supported in windows out-of-the-box? | 20:59 |
| temmi_hoo | that's how macs roll, not how microsoft rolls | 20:59 |
| scottc | plugging a device into a different USB port doesn't even work that smoothly ;) | 20:59 |
| temmi_hoo | in ms world this is the default: unplug a keybored, replug it into a different hole => it asks for a driver | 21:00 |
| scottc | :) | 21:00 |
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| juhaj_ | Does jolla have two sim slots or what's the other slot next to the microsim one? | 22:52 |
| temmi_hoo | microsd | 22:52 |
| Hartzi | hey, for finnish sailors: #jollasuomi :) | 22:54 |
| juhaj_ | temmi_hoo: Ach, of course | 22:54 |
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