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| * Stskeeps yawns | 06:13 | |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: I read "spawns" | 06:14 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, been there, done that.. | 06:14 |
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| Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-4/ | 07:10 |
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| tadzik | \o/ | 07:15 |
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| Anonyneko | Well, it's not like I didn't expect the tablet to be delayed, I wonder what the differences between the screens are | 08:03 |
| ggabriel | uh? tablet delayed? | 08:03 |
| TemeV | "New shipping target for Jolla Tablet: end of July 2015" :/ | 08:04 |
| ggabriel | source? | 08:04 |
| TemeV | [10:10] < Stskeeps> https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-4/ | 08:04 |
| ggabriel | ta | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | Anonyneko: ask on the blog, i guess | 08:04 |
| Anonyneko | I learned from an email addressed to contributors | 08:04 |
| ggabriel | so i need to fix my countdown | 08:05 |
| scottc | that's a pain :( | 08:05 |
| scottc | just read it too | 08:05 |
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| IZh | I hope, the screen is not AMOLED. | 08:07 |
| Anonyneko | You're reading my mind | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | (what's wrong with AMOLED, ooi?) | 08:07 |
| chem|st | transreflective, IPS | 08:07 |
| Anonyneko | Personally I'm not too fond of the subpixel arrangement | 08:08 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: amoled is only for powersaving | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure i've seen a 2K resolution amoled yet though | 08:08 |
| Anonyneko | It makes the picture kinda grainy and it feels weird | 08:08 |
| IZh | They degrade very fast. Plus their pentile is more visible than tft | 08:08 |
| tiwake | tablet delivery is delayed | 08:08 |
| tiwake | surprised? not really | 08:09 |
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| tiwake | such is the life of producing something new | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | hardware is hard | 08:09 |
| tiwake | jep | 08:09 |
| tiwake | believe me I know... lol | 08:09 |
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| Anonyneko | Well, yeah, this was pretty much expected | 08:10 |
| tiwake | even before the product is shipped, would anyone like an aluminum machined housing for the tablet? | 08:10 |
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| kimmoli | tiwake: sounds interesting | 08:12 |
| tiwake | I own a machine shop, and we are kinda looking at products to make that people might like to buy... heh.. depending on how it is, I might make one for me and then see if other people want to buy one | 08:12 |
| chem|st | it is, I have another kickstarter delayed as someone designed a mold - shipped it to china - waited for samples - designed new mold - waited for samples - let the manufacturer design the mold... ;) | 08:12 |
| Anonyneko | Is it like a case? | 08:13 |
| Anonyneko | The aluminum thing | 08:13 |
| tiwake | take apart the tablet, replace plastic outer shell with aluminum machined one | 08:13 |
| Anonyneko | Oh, sounds fun | 08:13 |
| tiwake | at least thats the idea... donno... depends on how it was designed | 08:14 |
| kimmoli | multiple parts then, if the final is like in MWC | 08:15 |
| tiwake | MWC? | 08:15 |
| IZh | Stskeeps: My cousin has a small phone shop. He faced the problem with amoled phones lying in glass showcase under bright lamps. The displays were covered with a plastic sticker with android logo. And this logo is tanned on the screen. So after sticker removal when you look at white page you will see the android logo. :-) | 08:15 |
| ggabriel | i feel a bit sorry for jolla since they announced that they were "ahead of schedule" earlier this year, sadly you can't unsay that and haters are going to hate | 08:16 |
| IZh | Stskeeps: I told him to put another, inverted sticker ;-) | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: shit happens :) | 08:17 |
| tiwake | I was going to make a nice dock thing for my N900, but then they kind of discontinued software development and sold to microsoft and junk... so whatever | 08:17 |
| IZh | Stskeeps: to degrade screen brightness equally. | 08:18 |
| tiwake | jolla is a more fun company to make stuff for anyway | 08:18 |
| kimmoli | tiwake: mobile world thing | 08:19 |
| tiwake | oh that thing | 08:19 |
| kimmoli | have you made alu toh already? | 08:20 |
| tiwake | ..? | 08:20 |
| tiwake | aluminum the other half? | 08:20 |
| kimmoli | y | 08:20 |
| tiwake | I live in USA, and dont have a jolla phone | 08:20 |
| wysiwtf | hm | 08:21 |
| wysiwtf | a dock/keyboard for the tab might be nice | 08:21 |
| tiwake | (wish I did have a jollaphone) | 08:21 |
| tiwake | maybe next phone hardware iteration | 08:21 |
| tiwake | whenever that is | 08:21 |
| IZh | By the way, Nokia has plans for 2016 to make a phone. They bought Alcatel. What if they try to buy Jolla? | 08:21 |
| wysiwtf | that would be ironic, wouldnt it? ^^ | 08:23 |
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| wysiwtf | i wonder where they got the cash for alcatel-lucent from anyway | 08:23 |
| wysiwtf | microsoft seems to have dismantled the company pretty good | 08:23 |
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| jaacoppi | wysiwtf: not bought in cash, but in stock | 08:24 |
| jaacoppi | was it 0.6 nokia shares for every 1 alcatel-lucent share | 08:24 |
| wysiwtf | which means nokia is worth more as a company than alcatel-lucent | 08:24 |
| jaacoppi | eh, /stock/whatever word is correct here, share perhaps?/ | 08:24 |
| wysiwtf | which probably means they must still be in bood business somewhere | 08:25 |
| kimmoli | tiwake: oh, ok | 08:25 |
| jaacoppi | indeed. Nokia has stated that they bought alcatel-lucent, the companies didn't merge | 08:25 |
| wysiwtf | but i heard nokia wants to focus on telco and network equip | 08:25 |
| tiwake | kimmoli: I know... sadface :( | 08:25 |
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| IZh | wysiwtf: like Ericsson after Sony? | 08:26 |
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| Anonyneko | Well, that and lending their brand and expertise for consumer devices | 08:28 |
| Anonyneko | I wonder if their phone is going to be, hardware-wise, a Foxconn iPhone clone much like the tablet was | 08:29 |
| tiwake | is that the manufacturer? | 08:29 |
| tiwake | erm | 08:30 |
| tiwake | talking about nokia? | 08:30 |
| Anonyneko | Yeah | 08:30 |
| tiwake | meh, its late for me, and I'm tired and confused | 08:30 |
| Anonyneko | Nokia N1 was basically a branded Foxconn tablet with Nokia's Android launcher after all, as far as I know | 08:31 |
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| Nicd- | IZh: what is your source about nokia having plans for a phone? so far all I've heard are rumors | 08:35 |
| IZh | Nicd-: http://marketingland.com/nokia-coming-back-as-android-smartphone-brand-in-2016-125706 | 08:37 |
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| Anonyneko | Re/code is a pretty legit source | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | citing unnamed sources. I'll just wait though I think it's a likely development | 08:39 |
| Anonyneko | Well, those are only plans anyway, it's not like anything is confirmed | 08:40 |
| jaacoppi | hype on | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | would be the greatest irony if Nokia started selling them like hotcakes and Microsoft was left with WP that doesn't sell | 08:41 |
| Anonyneko | And this is also old news as Nokia pretty much announced plans on partner devices back when it announced N1 | 08:41 |
| Anonyneko | They just didn't say "phones" because Microsoft deal | 08:41 |
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| Anonyneko | Well, the Lumia 520 is selling well apparently... I mean the thing is dirt cheap | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | afaik the market share is tiny everywhere except finland | 08:42 |
| Anonyneko | It's generally a bit higher in the EU than in the rest of the world | 08:43 |
| Anonyneko | But yeah, unless they make some miracle with W10 (and looks like they won't) I don't see their market share changing for the better really, but I suppose they don't mind with their current strategy | 08:44 |
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| tadzik | hrm, can I *register* on pebble appstore from smoku's app? | 10:08 |
| tadzik | I only see a way to login | 10:08 |
| pp | re nokia, sure they will have phones (probably not alcatel-lucent -based tech for a very long time tho :P ) | 10:10 |
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| pp | but not selling nokia-named phones would be stupid | 10:11 |
| tadzik | ah, there's accounts.getpebble.com. Good thing it's linked to from somewhere... | 10:15 |
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| chem|st | pp: alcatel-lucent isn't alcatel phones, it is infrastructure | 10:57 |
| temmi_hoo | Alcatel NokiA Lucent would compete with Ericsson | 10:59 |
| chem|st | temmi_hoo: Nokia Siemens Alcatel Systems? | 11:00 |
| chem|st | pp: alcatel onetouch is the company behind phones and iirc not part of alcatel lucent | 11:01 |
| kimmoli | .. ALcatal-LUcent reminds me Allun grilli, which reminds me "parhaat ranskalaiset saa grilliltä" | 11:01 |
| * kimmoli hides | 11:01 | |
| chem|st | pp: oh and that is already sold, no more alcatel, is owned by TCL | 11:02 |
| temmi_hoo | siemens has world famous track record for secure automation, so it is worthy to mention that | 11:02 |
| tbr | the phone line of alcatel was brought into a joint venturewith tcl in the mid naughties. | 11:02 |
| tbr | and later AL divested | 11:02 |
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| pp | ah :-) | 11:04 |
| pp | kimmoli: or even "älä osta ranskalaisia muualta kuin grilliltä" | 11:05 |
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| pp | they're pretty good at striking if they're not happy :( | 11:05 |
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| Nicd- | karhulan grilli <3 | 11:06 |
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| flux | ok, so now that Phonehook works great for online phone number lookup, is someone working on one that redirects telemarketers to a scripted voice chat?-) | 11:14 |
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| tango_ | hm periodically my google calendars disappear | 11:45 |
| Nicd- | welcome to the club :) | 11:46 |
| tango_ | oh well | 11:46 |
| tango_ | at least I'm not alone | 11:46 |
| chriadam | https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-social/commit/e2e6ce5f289e52a671de2a18675e3dcf6bdd52d4 | 11:48 |
| chriadam | if you're willing to build the latest packages and test, I'd be grateful. the more testing the code is put through, the better. | 11:49 |
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| nemo__ | hello | 13:07 |
| nemo__ | i have a question... | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | shoot | 13:09 |
| nemo__ | when connected to bluetooth-keyboard... | 13:09 |
| nemo__ | like i am now | 13:09 |
| nemo__ | how do i change layout? | 13:10 |
| nemo__ | i need DVORAK | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | mmm i don't think we've implemented that functionality yet | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's in progress afaik | 13:11 |
| nemo__ | i hate this horrible qwertyshit | 13:11 |
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| nemo__ | i am so hanicapped | 13:11 |
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| nemo__ | what kind of inputmetho does fingerterm in sailfishos use> can it be tweaked? | 13:13 |
| nemo__ | i am used to gentoo | 13:13 |
| tbr | nemo__: you can edit the layout. IIRC it's a simple text file or such | 13:16 |
| tbr | not sure if anyone ever did | 13:16 |
| nemo__ | tbr: where is it at/what is it called? | 13:18 |
| tbr | I don't remember, it's been ages since I've looked at it. | 13:19 |
| nemo__ | im gonna o it until I can type on this messy keyboard | 13:19 |
| tbr | "Use the source, Luke!" | 13:19 |
| nemo__ | rapoo bt ultraslim kb 4 ipad | 13:19 |
| tbr | being a gentoo person that shouldn't be a foreign concept | 13:20 |
| nemo__ | too compact 4 my taste | 13:20 |
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| newin | hey guys! | 14:04 |
| newin | I wrote/did this, what do you think =) https://together.jolla.com/question/19564/jolla-2nd-device-hw-suggestions/?answer=90793#post-id-90793 | 14:06 |
| Sailor-2gether | new display for jolla tablet | 14:11 |
| Sailor-2gether | and new delay | 14:14 |
| Sailor-2gether | New shipping target: end of July 2015 | 14:14 |
| wysiwtf | if that date still stand mid july i might believe it :p | 14:15 |
| politie | jolla edge | 14:15 |
| newin | Sailor-2gether: a new display ? | 14:16 |
| Sailor-2gether | Since we want to offer you the best possible hardware, we chose to switch to a new display. This display is better than the original with a more balanced color spectrum. The display change also causes a slight delay in the tablet production. | 14:16 |
| grzywacz | Is this an official email-irc relay? :D | 14:17 |
| newin | =O | 14:17 |
| Sailor-2gether | yep | 14:17 |
| Sailor-2gether | xD | 14:17 |
| newin | I did not saw this part | 14:17 |
| grzywacz | All's good, I wouldn't have time to play with it now anyway. | 14:17 |
| grzywacz | And the initial timeline looked too ambitious anyway. :P | 14:17 |
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| Sailor-2gether | I am in holidays at end of july xD | 14:18 |
| Sailor-2gether | damn ^^ | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | read blog comments | 14:19 |
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| chem|st | newin: jolla won't drive hardware technology as of yet, it is a software company after all | 14:23 |
| Sailor-2gether | https://together.jolla.com/question/90799/wpa_supplicant-p2p-ssid-processing-vulnerability/ | 14:24 |
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| Stskeeps | tigeli: ^ | 14:26 |
| newin | chem|st: okay... =/ I hope the team will concider it anyway (even the probatility to see it happen is verry low...) | 14:26 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | newin, potentially | 14:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://build.merproject.org/package/show/mer-core:release/wpa_supplicant | 14:37 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't think needs testing | 14:37 |
| dr_gogeta86 | 1.0 | 14:37 |
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| Teme | real men test in production | 14:55 |
| Teme | don't you people have any confidence | 14:55 |
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| * ggabriel_ wonders where real women test :P | 15:08 | |
| tiwake | they don't exist on the internet, so its not an issue | 15:09 |
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| coderus | 15.04 here | 15:55 |
| Mikaela | same | 15:56 |
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| tigeli | Stskeeps: not affected.. | 18:10 |
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| juhaj | Does anyone have a working owncloud client setup on jolla? | 19:50 |
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| juhaj | I'm trying to set up server: http://foobar/owncloud/, username: foo and password bar, but what apache sees on the server is an attempt to log in as "-" | 19:51 |
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| keithzg | Heh I read the new shipping target e-mail and for a minute was confused | 20:22 |
| keithzg | I had remembered shipping starting in July 2015 always being the plan . . . | 20:22 |
| keithzg | Then I realized that these past few years of working for a business that ships products has made me automatically and sometimes entirely subconciously translate intended shipping dates to actual shipping dates once the Real World gets its punches in ;) | 20:23 |
| keithzg | In fact my boss just came up to me and asked how to change the milestone dates in our bugtracker since (surprise!) we missed our overly-optimistic release schedule for the upcoming release, heh. | 20:24 |
| eye_a | http://www.xda-developers.com/david-greaves-xdadevcon-2014/ | 20:25 |
| juhaj | Does anyone have a working owncloud client setup on jolla? (Sorry for repeating, but it's been deathly quiet since I asked that until now) | 20:26 |
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| keithzg | juhaj: I *swear* I had that working at one point before but it's been a while now and I don't have my Nexus 4 or Jolla on me today :( I will say I've never had any issues with the ocNews client, but of course that's a different app. | 20:28 |
| juhaj | It just cannot seem to log in. Apache logs say it tries to | 20:29 |
| juhaj | PROPFIND /owncloud/remote.php/webdav/ | 20:29 |
| juhaj | whereas working clients do | 20:29 |
| juhaj | PROPFIND /owncloud/remote.php/webdav | 20:29 |
| keithzg | Hmm. | 20:29 |
| juhaj | That's all I can see happening | 20:29 |
| keithzg | Either *should* work though | 20:29 |
| keithzg | I've definitely done with the trailing slash when just using my desktop file browser. | 20:29 |
| juhaj | If I knew mod_rewrite, I think I could try rewriting it | 20:29 |
| keithzg | I'd try with your file browser to go to the one with the trailing slash, see if it works or not. | 20:30 |
| juhaj | keithzg: Yes, both work | 20:31 |
| keithzg | juhaj: So some other issue than just the URL it's trying to use then, eh? | 20:31 |
| juhaj | But there is a difference: the browser does the propfind with a username, the app (and owncloud desktop client don't) | 20:32 |
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| juhaj | Ok, that's because the browser was already logged in ;) | 20:33 |
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| keithzg | Heh that'd do it ;) | 20:33 |
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| juhaj | Using a non-logged-in browser does the /-terminated PROPFIND without a username (and gives me a login-window) | 20:33 |
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| keithzg | So this is a client app in Harbour you're trying to use? (Sorry, been out of the game for a bit, although I've been using ownCloud I haven't touched much Sailfish stuff in a bit since I stopped wearing a heavy winter jacket with pockets for a third phone, haha) | 20:36 |
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| juhaj | keithzg: Hm.. looks like that's the openrepos version, but could try the one from Jolla | 20:46 |
| keithzg | juhaj: I was more asking generally, heh, last time I had used a client on my Jolla it was actually teh Android one. | 20:46 |
| keithzg | So I wasn't actually sure which client you were using. | 20:46 |
| keithzg | My related question was/is if the client is actually up to date and interoperable with the latest ownCloud versions. | 20:47 |
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| juhaj | Hm... good question | 20:50 |
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| juhaj | My owncloud is 7.0.3, so not too new | 20:51 |
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| juhaj | Hm.. my apache listens only to tpc6 apparently. Wonder if THAT could be the problem? (although I cannot understand why the connection still works) | 21:24 |
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| raa700 | probably some sort of black magic | 21:31 |
| juhaj | Sorted out: the server IP address was not considered "trusted" by owncloud. | 21:32 |
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| tiwake | http://www.anandtech.com/show/9184/arm-reveals-cortex-a72-architecture-details | 21:37 |
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| stephg | /quit | 21:38 |
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| M4rtinK | https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/m4rtink/modrana/ | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | ^^^ modRana packages for Fedora :) | 21:51 |
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