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alterego | What an ungodly time to be up .. | 02:21 |
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crevetor_ | alterego: what time is that ? | 02:29 |
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alterego | 3:30am | 02:31 |
crevetor_ | ouch | 02:31 |
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iekku | morning | 03:00 |
alterego | moaning | 03:06 |
alterego | this coach is ridiculously hot .. | 03:06 |
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dm8tbr | moaning | 04:29 |
Paimen | morning | 04:30 |
alterego | moaning | 04:33 |
dm8tbr | alterego: that's what I tend to dislike about business trips. getting up at 3 in the morning and then possibly having to stay awake till midnight | 04:36 |
alterego | yeah :/ | 04:37 |
dm8tbr | also I've had my share of 'fun' with LHR while going through there for ELC this year and carrying a prototype in a huge orange pelican case... | 04:38 |
dm8tbr | 5 or 6 'random' security checks... gah! the last one _inside_ the gate and next to the finger | 04:39 |
alterego | lol | 04:40 |
alterego | I've been pretty lucky with security and checking in in the past, so any day now I'm expecting something bad :) | 04:41 |
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jusa_ | :q | 05:15 |
jusa_ | whoops, wrong terminal :) | 05:16 |
dm8tbr | hehe | 05:16 |
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Stskeeps | good morning | 05:33 |
Ionakka | morning | 05:36 |
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Figure | morning | 05:48 |
Stskeeps | morn Figure | 05:48 |
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Stskeeps | good morning antseppa | 06:05 |
antseppa | morning | 06:05 |
Stskeeps | antseppa: welcome to #mer :) if you have any questions on Mer or on how to contribute, feel free to ask at any time :) | 06:06 |
antseppa | StsKeeps: Thanks! I will. | 06:07 |
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Stskeeps | good morning sonach | 06:14 |
sonach | Stskeeps: good morning :) | 06:15 |
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Stskeeps | good morning Mardy, Andy80 | 06:34 |
Andy80 | Stskeeps, hey good morning :) | 06:34 |
Mardy | Stskeeps: 'morning! | 06:34 |
Andy80 | Mardy, OT: do you live in Finland too? I didn't know it :) | 06:36 |
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Mardy | Andy80: yep, moved here 6 years ago | 06:37 |
Andy80 | Mardy, me just temporary, I'll leave at the end of this month (Tampere) | 06:37 |
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timoph | morning | 06:50 |
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lbt | o/ | 07:31 |
Stskeeps | hello donza :) | 07:31 |
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alterego | jukkaeklund: in hel the next couple of days? i arrive this evening :p | 07:55 |
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slaine | morning folks | 08:29 |
iekku | morning | 08:30 |
Stskeeps | morn slaine | 08:30 |
sledges | good morning | 08:30 |
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Paimen | paintfull morning | 08:44 |
Paimen | it seems there is more paint over me than on ceiling | 08:44 |
Stskeeps | hehe | 08:44 |
sledges | for me its painfull morning, after a karate weekend :) | 08:45 |
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jukkaeklund___ | alterego, likely not.. | 08:58 |
lbt | mer-sdk-i486-chroot-full-6.0.2.tar.bz22012-Aug-12 23:25:001.0Gapplication/octet-stream <- a full SDK image is a bad idea | 08:58 |
Sage | lbt: full sdk image? | 09:00 |
lbt | all the tools, all the cross- compilers, python dev, ruby dev, debugs | 09:00 |
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lbt | ah, I thought that was too big - that's an uncompressed tar - if you tell mic to '--pack-to=tar.bz2' it creates an uncompressed tarball should be '--pack-to=.tar.bz2' | 09:09 |
phaeron | lol | 09:10 |
lbt | and no, it now needs the filename - apparently it ignores the kickstarter one | 09:11 |
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Sage | :D | 09:20 |
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slaine | sledges: where you at a tournament ? | 10:40 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: iekku's not entirely up to speed so do you want to drive triage, i'll modify bugs? | 10:44 |
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Stskeeps | REMINDER: Mer bug triage in #mer-meeting in 15 minutes | 10:46 |
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Stskeeps | hello xbarmar | 11:04 |
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jingzhe | anybody can help me how to install qt lib to mer sdk? | 11:06 |
Stskeeps | jingzhe: zypper in libqt-devel should do it | 11:07 |
jingzhe | I should use sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R zypper ****? | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | install yes | 11:07 |
jingzhe | how about MeeGo lib? | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | like which? | 11:07 |
jingzhe | libmeegotouch | 11:08 |
Stskeeps | you add the repository where it's in, to zypper | 11:08 |
Stskeeps | zypper addrepo | 11:08 |
jingzhe | ok, let me try | 11:09 |
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jingzhe | Stskeeps, after I install libqt-devel, I run command "sb2 qmake" and "sb2 make", nothing happens | 11:20 |
jingzhe | my application is very simple meego application | 11:20 |
Stskeeps | jingzhe: in sdk itself, zypper install make | 11:21 |
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jingzhe | it getting better, about libmeegotouch, which repository has it? | 11:22 |
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jingzhe | now the compilor error is cannot find "MApplication" header file | 11:24 |
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jingzhe | I need to install meego in my platform | 11:24 |
Stskeeps | jingzhe: find a .ks for Nemo and take repositories from there | 11:25 |
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sledges | slaine, no just a test-schooling, but it was hell of a training :) | 12:14 |
slaine | nice | 12:15 |
slaine | I started back at Taekwon Do at the start of the year, been on summer break for a few weeks now, feel myself getting softer ;) | 12:15 |
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sledges | and you'll be muscle-achy once back ;) but is a great feeling, gives you a hint of being alive and kicking :D | 12:18 |
sledges | I do modern sports karate (european scientific martial art), got my little club here alone in UK | 12:18 |
sledges | all sportspeople -- mostly engineers/geeks, truly enjoying | 12:18 |
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slaine | nice | 12:24 |
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slaine | I've been doing bits and pieces at home, 5 mins here, 10 mins there, to make sure I don't forget my new patterns etc. | 12:24 |
slaine | have to start revising the earlier patterns too, wanna do another grading before xmas | 12:25 |
sledges | aye, keep up the good work | 12:26 |
sledges | I bet olympics have added up the motivation ;) | 12:26 |
sledges | especially in HD and slow motion, hail britain and 21st century :) | 12:26 |
slaine | lol, didn't really get to watch much of it. Watched all the Irish boxing matches and some of the athletics, but that was about it. Spent most of the time walking in the woods :) | 12:28 |
sledges | :)) | 12:29 |
sledges | getting off topic, but out of curiosity, why did you choose and stuck with TWD? | 12:29 |
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crevetor | Hey guys, a couple of questions | 12:45 |
Stskeeps | mm? | 12:45 |
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crevetor | 1) Do you know if PA2 now depends on having GL acceleration ? | 12:45 |
crevetor | It used to be able to run without it but I'm not too sure anymore | 12:45 |
Stskeeps | -should- | 12:46 |
crevetor | 2) Are the instructions for building against mer in COBS still valid ? | 12:46 |
crevetor | Stskeeps: I'll have to investigate what's happening then : PA2 starts, I get the splash screen then after a while it disappears and I only get a black screen | 12:47 |
Stskeeps | check xsession-errors | 12:47 |
crevetor | Stskeeps: as for question 2 I get an unresolvable ans it says that systemd depends on filesystem >= 3 | 12:47 |
crevetor | Stskeeps: I did but it's *very* verbose | 12:47 |
Stskeeps | what .ks? | 12:47 |
crevetor | What ks for the repo ? | 12:48 |
Stskeeps | the .ks you use | 12:48 |
crevetor | I don't use a .ks in my repo | 12:49 |
Stskeeps | no | 12:49 |
Stskeeps | unresolvable where? | 12:49 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:49 |
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Stskeeps | yes, they should be balid | 12:49 |
Stskeeps | valid | 12:49 |
crevetor | here : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ts_srv&project=home%3Acrevetor%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Asmoku%3Astreak | 12:49 |
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Stskeeps | that looks awkward | 12:50 |
crevetor | I think I kbnow why | 12:51 |
crevetor | let me check | 12:51 |
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crevetor | yeah neverminf | 12:52 |
crevetor | I had an old filesystem package in my project | 12:52 |
Stskeeps | ah | 12:52 |
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lbt | cobs has mips scheduler running fwiw | 13:42 |
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Stskeeps | ok | 13:44 |
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Juhi24 | IMO meego.com should link to Mer instead of Tizen | 14:03 |
Juhi24 | or both. But linking only to tizen in the header is just wrong... | 14:04 |
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Stskeeps | Juhi24: life isn't fair :) | 14:12 |
Stskeeps | i think we both have claim to some extent | 14:12 |
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Juhi24 | Stskeeps: I guess so. Only that our claim is not heard. | 14:15 |
Stskeeps | well | 14:15 |
Stskeeps | take a look at #tizen /names vs #mer /names | 14:15 |
Stskeeps | i think that it's better than instead of living up to meego expectations, we do things in the way we do and gain respect from what we do | 14:15 |
stefan_schmidt_w | The See you next time banner for the meego conference is also funny | 14:16 |
Stskeeps | yeah.. | 14:16 |
Stskeeps | i wouldn't have minded to go to the famed las vegas meego conference | 14:17 |
Stskeeps | :P | 14:17 |
Juhi24 | hehe :D | 14:17 |
stefan_schmidt_w | dubai conf anyone? | 14:17 |
Stskeeps | Juhi24: either way, in the end, those of us who are involved in tizen or mer have to work together in upstream components anyway | 14:17 |
Stskeeps | there's things OTC do that's great for everybody in mobile linux | 14:17 |
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Stskeeps | and when you look at tizen ivi and mer.. well, a fair lot of stuff in common | 14:18 |
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slaine | They even named some of their build system after mer's ;) | 14:18 |
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stefan_schmidt_w | slaine: And mer named it after SuSe? :P | 14:19 |
Stskeeps | fakeobs | 14:19 |
Stskeeps | :P | 14:19 |
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stefan_schmidt_w | DocScrutinizer: wasup? | 14:19 |
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stefan_schmidt_w | DocScrutinizer: long time no see | 14:20 |
slaine | stefan_schmidt_w: I meant fakeobs | 14:20 |
stefan_schmidt_w | slaine: ah, I thought only OBS :) | 14:20 |
slaine | :) | 14:20 |
stefan_schmidt_w | DocScrutinizer: still having your openmoko cloak. Hard core man :) | 14:20 |
alterego | bbiab | 14:24 |
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Juhi24 | Stskeeps: True true. Nothing against Tizen here. Just though it would be cool if Mer was more widely recognized to atract more enthusiasts and so on. | 14:31 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:31 |
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crevetor | Stskeeps: Do you have pointers on how you got mer to use the GL parts of Android ? | 14:51 |
Stskeeps | will have to discuss later, bbl | 14:51 |
crevetor | Stskeeps: ok see you | 14:52 |
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Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, is your presentation available somewhere? | 18:08 |
Stskeeps | didn't dm8tbr put up some webm stuff recently? | 18:08 |
* dm8tbr will msg Venemo_N9 the link | 18:09 | |
Stskeeps | k | 18:10 |
dm8tbr | the files are not yet publicly linked through the website | 18:10 |
Venemo_N9 | thanks dm8tbr :) | 18:10 |
dm8tbr | once they are you can twitter, plus, fakebook, whatever them ;) | 18:11 |
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Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, why aren't they now ? | 18:20 |
dm8tbr | Venemo_N9: I don't admin the actual website | 18:25 |
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Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, ok | 18:32 |
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* lbt would like someone to help verify an SDK upgrade process | 18:46 | |
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gprade | hello | 19:12 |
Stskeeps | hello gprade | 19:13 |
CosmoHill | hi | 19:13 |
gprade | sorry, but i did not understand it realy, so i must ask again | 19:13 |
Stskeeps | sure? | 19:14 |
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gprade | why can you not use (now) the whole meego project, i thougt it is open, stskeeps, you could be the chief of meego, i ask because i like the little meegons an the design of the marketing | 19:15 |
Stskeeps | gprade: it isn't truly a open project, to be honest | 19:16 |
gprade | but what is not open? | 19:16 |
Stskeeps | meego was closed in such a way that it could never really be opened again | 19:16 |
lbt | and the word "MeeGo" is trademarked by Linux Foundation | 19:16 |
Stskeeps | meego isn't, the infrastructure, the handling of the trademark | 19:16 |
Stskeeps | consider the meego dream living on in mer and tizen :P | 19:17 |
gprade | can you buy the not open parts? | 19:17 |
Stskeeps | i don't have that kind of money | 19:17 |
Stskeeps | :P | 19:17 |
lbt | gprade: why would we want to spend money on a word? | 19:17 |
gprade | not only the name, the design is that what i like | 19:18 |
Stskeeps | that is probably even more difficult | 19:18 |
gprade | of the little pictured people, i think they call them meegons | 19:18 |
Stskeeps | as that was made by intel | 19:18 |
Stskeeps | either way, the newest hot brand seems to be Jolla instead | 19:19 |
gprade | but do you ever asked the people who have the rights about meego? maybe if you ask, they say ok, you can have ist | 19:19 |
gprade | it | 19:19 |
Stskeeps | gprade: yes, it has been discussed | 19:19 |
Stskeeps | and it wasn't a very nice direction to go in, too much cost, red tape, contracts, etc | 19:20 |
Stskeeps | we're perfectly happy in mer where we are :) | 19:20 |
gprade | and what they say? they can not earn anything with meego, why not give the project to you? | 19:20 |
Stskeeps | because that's not how things work .. first off it's costs related to trademarks, server costs, obligations.. | 19:21 |
Stskeeps | i'm happy with the branding we have in mer and community we've built around it. | 19:22 |
gprade | sad, sad, sad, i liked these things realy, now you must all this stuff create new | 19:22 |
Stskeeps | for companies it seems to go in tendency that people are caring less about platform and more about experience | 19:22 |
lbt | yeah - we have T-shirts now - far too late to change :) | 19:22 |
Stskeeps | gprade: on the contrary, we made the mer artwork before meego existed | 19:22 |
situ | lbt: Good point, what do we have to get the T Shirts ? :) | 19:23 |
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Stskeeps | gprade: and mer as such isn't selling to end users | 19:23 |
lbt | situ: I've run out now - I think I have 2-4 XXL and XXXL left | 19:23 |
Stskeeps | that was one of the problems of meego | 19:23 |
lbt | or XL and XXL | 19:23 |
gprade | i like your wallpaper, i use it on my desktop-pc as wallpaper | 19:23 |
situ | Can I get XL ? | 19:23 |
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lbt | situ: sure | 19:23 |
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lbt | let me go check | 19:24 |
Stskeeps | gprade: anyway, http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/07/jolla-promises-meego-will-live-on-plans-new-smartphone/ | 19:24 |
Stskeeps | that's what is going on these days | 19:24 |
gprade | i read it, but first i must see a product, till now there is nothing, like with tizen, no product yet | 19:25 |
Stskeeps | sure | 19:25 |
Stskeeps | anyway, they're mer based | 19:25 |
gprade | i now | 19:25 |
gprade | know | 19:26 |
* Stskeeps has to get some sleep | 19:26 | |
Stskeeps | night | 19:26 |
gprade | good night | 19:26 |
lbt | situ: 1 XL and 2 XXL :) | 19:27 |
situ | XL should do, but I am not sure about european sizes. | 19:27 |
Stskeeps | lbt: we should probably do a new batch btw | 19:28 |
lbt | I'm looking for a supplier | 19:28 |
Stskeeps | alright | 19:28 |
Stskeeps | i don't presume it'd be cheaper here in .pl? | 19:29 |
lbt | situ: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00126.html | 19:29 |
situ | Do we have any pictures of the T shirts ? | 19:29 |
dm8tbr | http://www.abload.de/img/b1nqmu.jpg | 19:30 |
dm8tbr | <3 google picture search | 19:30 |
situ | Cool. | 19:32 |
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gprade | what is the next milestone for mer? | 19:44 |
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GNUtoo | hi dm8tbr | 20:16 |
GNUtoo | I saw that: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/04/booting-nemo-galaxy-nexus-i9250/ | 20:17 |
GNUtoo | I've some difficulties for booting GNU/Linux on this device too | 20:17 |
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dm8tbr | GNUtoo: my only involvement was the 'funky' cable | 20:19 |
GNUtoo | yes I need this cable | 20:19 |
GNUtoo | I've already an usb connector | 20:19 |
GNUtoo | is it the same cable than nexus S | 20:19 |
GNUtoo | ? | 20:19 |
GNUtoo | basically I build the kernel, I boot it and then it's stuck on the bootloader, no indications whatsoever of something | 20:20 |
GNUtoo | *bootloader splash | 20:20 |
GNUtoo | I tried ramconsole but since it didn't reboot it failed to keep the log | 20:20 |
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dm8tbr | GNUtoo: the important bit is to get the console device right | 20:26 |
GNUtoo | ah ok | 20:26 |
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GNUtoo | that's easy | 20:26 |
GNUtoo | ttyFIQ0 | 20:26 |
GNUtoo | and then you type one command in the debugger | 20:27 |
GNUtoo | to get the console | 20:27 |
dm8tbr | GNUtoo: you must have a cable that exposes the ID pin or has the right resistor applied to it against ground | 20:27 |
GNUtoo | I've that: | 20:27 |
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dm8tbr | so, what's the problem then? | 20:27 |
GNUtoo | https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10031 | 20:28 |
GNUtoo | I don't know how to make the cable | 20:28 |
GNUtoo | what's the right value of the resistor | 20:28 |
GNUtoo | is it a 150k resistor? | 20:29 |
dm8tbr | if you are ordering from sparkfun anyway, get their FTDI UART USB board too | 20:29 |
GNUtoo | like that: http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/S5PC110Bootloader | 20:29 |
GNUtoo | I've it already | 20:29 |
GNUtoo | and I've ftdi too | 20:29 |
GNUtoo | I've no soldering iron here tough, and that's a big issue | 20:29 |
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GNUtoo | altough I know someone who has one | 20:30 |
dm8tbr | as the linked page says: 620 kOhm | 20:30 |
GNUtoo | ok | 20:30 |
dm8tbr | I pieced it together out of two values I found lying around | 20:30 |
GNUtoo | ahh I didn't saw the link | 20:30 |
GNUtoo | thanks a lot1!!!! | 20:31 |
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dm8tbr | np | 20:33 |
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