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sonach | morning | 01:41 |
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Ken-Young | On the mer project wiki, I see instructions for creating the "Platform SDK", but there are references to an "Application SDK", and I see no instructions for building that. Is there a separate Applications SDK for mer, and if so, where can I get it? | 02:52 |
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Ken-Young | On the mer project wiki, I see instructions for creating the "Platform SDK", but there are references to an "Application SDK", and I see no instructions for building that. Is there a separate Applications SDK for mer, and if so, where can I get it? | 04:38 |
special | there is only one Mer SDK | 04:38 |
Ken-Young | special, Do people normally not develop apps with the Mer SDK? The wiki implies that is the case. | 04:40 |
special | well, what're you developing for? | 04:40 |
Ken-Young | nemo on an N950. | 04:40 |
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Ken-Young | I'm hoping to do that as a stepping stone towards Sailfish app development. | 04:41 |
special | then the mer SDK is what you want | 04:42 |
Ken-Young | It does not look like the Sailfish SDK is available yet. | 04:42 |
special | see https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Installation_.2F_setup for instructions on installing the sdk | 04:42 |
special | and https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 explains how to set up a target for nemo | 04:42 |
special | the sailfish SDK, when it is available (which hopefully won't be long, but I don't know) will probably be much easier. | 04:43 |
Ken-Young | special, Thanks very much for the pointers! | 04:45 |
special | per https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Overview, the sailfish SDK will be a copy of QtCreator + the mer SDK + sailfish-specific stuff | 04:46 |
Ken-Young | I hope they provide a VM image of it. | 04:47 |
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situ | Morning everyone | 05:17 |
chriadam | gmorning | 05:23 |
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dm8tbr | good moaning http://www.arcamax.com/newspics/57/5796/579673.gif | 06:35 |
Stskeeps | morn | 06:35 |
Jucato | all hail! | 06:36 |
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Bostik | morning | 06:40 |
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Bostik | apparently ruby _is_ a hard requirement for {,qt}webkit now... | 06:41 |
Stskeeps | wtf | 06:41 |
Stskeeps | :P | 06:41 |
timoph | huh | 06:42 |
Bostik | macroassembler+llint, and bytecode stuff uses llint_op_** directly | 06:42 |
timoph | and morn | 06:42 |
Bostik | and no - I am not going to patch that one out | 06:42 |
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mountain | Hi, I can run "osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com/ ls Mer:Tools " outside MerSDK, but got error "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found " when issued inside MerSDK, I've done 'sdk mount' before 'sdk enter', what could be wrong here? | 06:43 |
Bostik | or is there another wa... | 06:43 |
Stskeeps | anything that can be pre-generated before build, maybe? | 06:43 |
Stskeeps | mountain: osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com ls | 06:43 |
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Bostik | #if ENABLE(LLINT) ... | 06:44 |
mountain | still the same error: Server returned an error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 06:44 |
Bostik | that looks like a good spot | 06:44 |
Stskeeps | what is llint anyway? | 06:44 |
Stskeeps | ah, low level interpreter.. | 06:45 |
Stskeeps | "Anyway, the LLint -> C/ASM code generation can be done ahead of time for a given revision.? | 06:45 |
Stskeeps | " supposedly | 06:46 |
Bostik | I'll have to look into that after this week | 06:46 |
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Stskeeps | else i'm going to have to bite the bullet and add ruby | 06:49 |
Stskeeps | mountain: remove the parts about api.pub.meego.com from $HOME/.oscrc and try again | 06:50 |
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Stskeeps | mountain: remember to set proxy, etc | 06:51 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: i think i'll bite the bullet and add ruby, there's no good reason why we should not | 06:52 |
Stskeeps | by the rule that qtwebkit requires it | 06:52 |
Stskeeps | it's not used for runtime, so | 06:52 |
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mountain | Stskeeps: it works after I remove the parts about api.pub.meego.com from $HOME/.oscrc, thanks | 06:53 |
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niqt | morning | 07:12 |
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Bostik | Stskeeps: okay, we just have to keep it away from any images :) | 07:14 |
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ccssnet | so does mer run on cortex a8 / mali 400? | 07:27 |
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Stskeeps | should | 07:28 |
ccssnet | cool | 07:28 |
ccssnet | i got one in the mail :) | 07:28 |
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Stskeeps | well, it depends on the SoC | 07:29 |
ccssnet | emerson 4.3" tablet | 07:29 |
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ccssnet | not sure yet ill open it when i get it | 07:29 |
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Stskeeps | morn sledges | 08:20 |
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plfiorini | hi | 09:48 |
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Stskeeps | heya plfiorini, how is it going? | 09:49 |
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plfiorini | Stskeeps: good, you? | 09:49 |
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Stskeeps | good good, happy to be past our OS launch, now hacking on libhybris | 09:50 |
plfiorini | :) | 09:50 |
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Stskeeps | how's maui going? | 09:50 |
Ken-Young | Stskeeps, Is there a place one could sign up for email notification once the Sailfish SDK becomes available? | 09:51 |
Stskeeps | Ken-Young: don't know, sorry | 09:51 |
Bostik | how long did it take you to recover from (pre-) Slush crunch, by the way? | 09:51 |
plfiorini | Stskeeps: very good, desktop shell is almost ready for an initial development version and i'm already getting my feet wet for the OS | 09:51 |
Bostik | because you all seemed pretty drained | 09:51 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: there's a slush-flu going around, it is claiming a lot of energy | 09:52 |
Bostik | only expected, I guess :/ | 09:52 |
plfiorini | i would like to test mer on x86_64 desktop machines for now, but it seems Mer only supports 32bit systems, is that right? | 09:52 |
Stskeeps | plfiorini: [ol] is working to bootstrap mer for it | 09:52 |
Stskeeps | from scratch, so we can put on any systems | 09:53 |
plfiorini | Stskeeps: do you have any ETA? | 09:54 |
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Stskeeps | plfiorini: this stuff takes time, but let's see how it goes | 09:55 |
Stskeeps | we're in the bootstrap phase right now | 09:55 |
plfiorini | ok thanks | 09:57 |
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plfiorini | Stskeeps: do you have plans for secureboot? | 10:18 |
Stskeeps | i think that belongs in hardware adaptation for us, if you mean the UEFI stuff | 10:18 |
Stskeeps | we might have privacy framework in mer, but that's about as far as we go | 10:19 |
plfiorini | yes | 10:19 |
Stskeeps | ie, something that talks to TPM chip or whatever | 10:19 |
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Stskeeps | morn faenil | 10:20 |
faenil | morn Stskeeps | 10:20 |
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faenil | Stskeeps, did I miss anything? https://www.facebook.com/JollaMobile/posts/554501034563739 | 10:33 |
Stskeeps | official is jollaofficial | 10:33 |
faenil | yeah I know, that's why I'm asking | 10:34 |
faenil | to know how reliable the source is | 10:35 |
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fAz4 | Is there any stable port of Sailfish OS on Samsung Galaxy Nexus ? | 10:40 |
kimju | hmm, "JollaOfficial" seems to like "JollaMobile", but also "JollaUnofficial". eh? | 10:41 |
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lbt | fAz4: kimju there's | 10:44 |
lbt | #jollamobile for sailfish/jolla chats :) | 10:44 |
fAz4 | lbt: kimju ?! | 10:45 |
lbt | just addressing you both - hit <return> when aiming for # :D | 10:46 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: & others: Mer release management meeting in 15 minutes? | 11:45 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 11:48 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: ping | 12:06 |
Stskeeps | pong | 12:06 |
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lbt | shoulda pinged Sage and phaeron too I guess | 12:08 |
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lbt | Sage: did you try my test-case? --groupxml fails here | 12:28 |
Sage | it fails | 12:29 |
lbt | only does one entry | 12:29 |
lbt | sry - pasted wrong one ... --patternxml fails :) | 12:30 |
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Sage | lbt: check TODO ;) | 12:31 |
lbt | sounds broken if it can handle group but not patterns | 12:32 |
Sage | well, patterns is ment originally for one pattern per one file | 12:32 |
lbt | why - it's the same source data | 12:33 |
Sage | and now when there is only one souce and multiple outputs not sure what should be the name for the output files if there are multiple ones | 12:33 |
Sage | if you output multiple patterns to one file it becomes groupxml :) | 12:33 |
lbt | patterns supports : <patterns count="16"> | 12:33 |
Sage | yes, that is groupxml | 12:34 |
lbt | no, that's pattern | 12:34 |
lbt | <patterns count="16"><pattern xmlns:rpm="http://linux.duke.edu/metadata/rpm" xmlns:patterns="http://novell.com/package/metadata/suse/pattern" xmlns="http://novell.com/package/metadata/suse/pattern"> | 12:34 |
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CosmoHill | is the meeting happening in here? | 12:35 |
lbt | <comps xmlns:rpm="http://linux.duke.edu/metadata/rpm" also has the pattern xmlns: but uses <group> | 12:35 |
iekku | CosmoHill, #mer-meeting? | 12:35 |
CosmoHill | ah okay | 12:36 |
CosmoHill | I'm not going to attend. I just wondered since lbt wanted sage and now they're talking in here | 12:36 |
Sage | lbt: validation error: Expecting element pattern, got patterns | 12:36 |
Sage | lbt: patternxml is only <pattern> per file as obs expectes that | 12:36 |
lbt | http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/Mer-Tools/6.1.0/builds/i486/packages/repodata/patterns.xml | 12:37 |
iekku | CosmoHill, they talk here there and everywhere :P | 12:38 |
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Sage | lbt: yes but try osc meta pattern patname -F patterns.xml | 12:38 |
lbt | so we have 2 usecases then | 12:39 |
lbt | createrepo needs <patterns> | 12:39 |
CosmoHill | iekku: hehe | 12:39 |
lbt | obs uses the <pattern>/file mess | 12:39 |
Sage | lbt: you mean -g GROUPFILE, --groupfile=GROUPFILE | 12:40 |
Sage | path to groupfile to include in metadata | 12:40 |
Sage | ? | 12:40 |
CosmoHill | iekku: yesterday one of my friends was talking to me on facebook, msn, steam and texting me at the same time | 12:40 |
iekku | CosmoHill, no irc? | 12:40 |
Bostik | where's the videocall? | 12:40 |
CosmoHill | no irc and no webcam | 12:41 |
lbt | Sage: modifyrepo $RELEASEDIR/$RELEASE/builds/$NAME/packages/repodata/patterns.xml $RELEASEDIR/$RELEASE/builds/$NAME/packages/repodata/ | 12:41 |
iekku | Bostik, video when irc is missing? pyh pah | 12:41 |
Bostik | iekku: hey, I'm one of those guys who start looking at black tape when they see an integrated webcam in their laptop :) | 12:41 |
Sage | lbt: third usecase ;) | 12:42 |
CosmoHill | guy? | 12:42 |
Sage | lbt: createrepo takes group.xml file which seems quite similar to your patterns.xml file actually | 12:42 |
iekku | Bostik, oh | 12:42 |
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CosmoHill | Bostik: i have a webcam on my windows laptop and it keeps telling me to plug my intergrated webcam into a usb2 port | 12:42 |
lbt | yes - very similar, but different | 12:42 |
lbt | I use : createrepo -g /tmp/groups.xml $RELEASEDIR/$RELEASE/builds/$NAME/packages/ | 12:43 |
Bostik | CosmoHill: that error kindof makes sense when we know that integrated webcams generally are connected to motherboard via USB... | 12:43 |
Sage | lbt: --groupsxml is ment for the createrepo case and --patternxml is for the osc. Didn't know about the modifyrepo ting | 12:44 |
Bostik | (hw manufacturer skimping on USB controller and putting 1.1 where 2.0 was not strictly necessary? not possible) | 12:44 |
lbt | it makes the actual pattern.xml for the repo that zypper gets | 12:44 |
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lbt | so for non-obs created repos with patterns, you need it | 12:44 |
lbt | I think it should optionally make a <patterns> file as well as individual <pattern> files | 12:45 |
CosmoHill | Bostik: it's some kinda fault in the laptop, it works until the laptop goes to sleep then it won't work until you reboot | 12:45 |
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mountain | I add "Mer_Core_armv6l (armv7el)" repository manually with "osc meta prj ", and consequently can see it appears in web, but it's not there when I issued "osc repos" in MerSDK, has anyone met this? | 12:47 |
Sage | lbt: what is the difference with groups.xml and patterns.xml only one line in the start? | 12:48 |
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lbt | mmm | 12:48 |
lbt | the schema is very different | 12:48 |
Sage | lbt: actually the current groups.xml is probably patterns.xml | 12:48 |
lbt | no, it's not .. | 12:48 |
lbt | where's my pastie | 12:48 |
lbt | pastie.org/5437230 | 12:49 |
lbt | http://pastie.org/5437189 | 12:49 |
lbt | feel free to complain about re-inventing the wheel - wasn't me guv :) | 12:50 |
Sage | so the groups.xml is actually the patterns.xml atm. :) | 12:51 |
lbt | which doesn't work | 12:51 |
lbt | tbh I can't recall why we actually want patterns - I'm pretty damn sure we had a reason and we do though | 12:52 |
lbt | like not-worth-discussing-we-just-need-them enough :) | 12:53 |
lbt | and it's trivial to do so it's not an issue | 12:53 |
Sage | I've using only single pattern files with obs | 12:53 |
lbt | well, Mer in particular does messing about with packages so needs to createrepo | 12:54 |
Stskeeps | mountain: does it show when you do osc meta prj -e ? | 12:54 |
lbt | Tools does too but could probably use OBS | 12:54 |
lbt | anyhow ... I need to go out for a couple of hours | 12:54 |
phaeron | thing is : multiple single pattern files -> OBS -> one pattern file | 12:54 |
Sage | yes | 12:54 |
lbt | phaeron: yeah - we need to support that | 12:54 |
lbt | although it's fricking stupid | 12:55 |
lbt | why not have 1 line per file? | 12:55 |
lbt | and name the files 001...002...003... | 12:55 |
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zhxt | lbt: ping | 12:56 |
mountain | Stskeeps:yes, I add the armv6l repo with 'osc meta prj -e', | 12:56 |
lbt | zhxt: pong | 12:56 |
zhxt | would you please create a Meego OBS account for me? | 12:56 |
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zhxt | I want to build mer core for rpi. | 12:57 |
lbt | zhxt: sure - where did you read that I would? | 12:57 |
zhxt | wiki on mer project . about build mer core for rpi. | 12:57 |
lbt | ah, I corrected the instructions there | 12:57 |
lbt | you need to register on meego.com, then tell me | 12:58 |
mountain | Stskeeps: and the result of 'osc repos' is not exactly same as what it shows when 'osc meta prj -e' | 12:58 |
lbt | then tell me your account, that is | 12:58 |
zhxt | yeah, I have one. | 12:58 |
zhxt | same as my irc name. | 12:58 |
lbt | done, have fun :) | 12:58 |
lbt | nb - when did you register? | 12:59 |
zhxt | thank you very much! :) | 12:59 |
lbt | oh, *ages* ago! | 12:59 |
zhxt | many years ago... :p | 12:59 |
Stskeeps | mountain: have you built any packages yet? | 12:59 |
zhxt | hehe. when meego was born. may be. | 13:00 |
mountain | I've build locally 'osc build Mer_Core_armv7l armv7el' | 13:00 |
lbt | zhxt: welcome to Mer then :) | 13:00 |
* lbt goes afk for a few hours ... l8r o/ | 13:01 | |
zhxt | lbt: thanks. | 13:02 |
Stskeeps | mountain: interesting it doesn't show | 13:02 |
Stskeeps | what repo on build.pub.meego.com? | 13:03 |
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mountain | I added the repo "Mer_Core_armv6l" with "armv7el"arch (followed 'https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_architecture_naming') since there's no default option to choose from on web. | 13:05 |
mountain | now with 'osc repos' locally I can see I have "Mer_Core_armv7hl, Mer_Core_armv7l, Mer_Core_i486" while I see I have "Mer_Core_armv6l, Mer_Core_armv7l, Mer_Core_i486" from web. | 13:06 |
Stskeeps | ok, i meant, what project name :) | 13:06 |
mountain | Stskeeps: home:mountain:mer hello | 13:07 |
Stskeeps | ok, looking | 13:08 |
Stskeeps | mountain: and what does your 'osc repos' output give right now? | 13:09 |
mountain | it gives "Mer_Core_armv7hl armv8el"; "Mer_Core_armv7l armv7el"; "Mer_Core_i486 i586" | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | that's really bizarre | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | moment | 13:10 |
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Stskeeps | mountain: http://pastie.org/5442371 | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | mountain: is that same output as you? | 13:13 |
mountain | no, but that's just what it supposed to be! :) | 13:14 |
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Stskeeps | mountain: ok, so you probably have some corporate company proxy somewhere.. | 13:15 |
mountain | Yes, I am using a company laptop with VPN, does that affects? | 13:16 |
Stskeeps | well, see if it changes behaviour if you go off VPN | 13:16 |
mountain | ok, I'll try | 13:16 |
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zhxt | lbt: when will that account work after enabled? | 13:18 |
Stskeeps | instantly, probably | 13:18 |
zhxt | hm..., I still cant not login now. | 13:18 |
zhxt | Authentication failed | 13:19 |
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Stskeeps | writing wayland backends are such fun | 13:36 |
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pq | Stskeeps, weston or egl? | 13:53 |
Stskeeps | making a wayland-egl implementation | 13:54 |
Stskeeps | so far the android bits are coming in very handy, from you guys | 13:54 |
Stskeeps | i got multiprocess buffer sharing going with libhybris the other day | 13:54 |
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pq | whoa, congratulations :-) | 13:57 |
slaine | Is it just me or is Tizen in total disarray ? | 13:57 |
Stskeeps | slaine: not just you. i don't like the situation though as it means there might be less resources into useful non-android stuff like connman, etc | 13:58 |
slaine | True, hadn't thought of that | 13:58 |
slaine | Though, I'm still not convinced connman was the right answer for that problem | 13:58 |
slaine | But that's a different conversation | 13:58 |
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slaine | I'm guessing that Samsung are making so much off Android they've lost the impetus to drive Bada and Tizen very hard. And Intel just never felt committed to Tizen in the same way they had been to Moblin/Meego | 14:00 |
Stskeeps | i'll be looking forward to the news articles in 5 years as nda's expire | 14:00 |
Stskeeps | :P | 14:00 |
* jukkaeklund_ starts counting when nokia nda expires | 14:01 | |
slaine | lol | 14:01 |
slaine | On a call now to decide if we do move to ARM products or not | 14:02 |
slaine | Any comments > | 14:02 |
slaine | lol | 14:02 |
Stskeeps | it depends really - your use case may need significant cpu power for some things | 14:02 |
slaine | Not really | 14:02 |
Stskeeps | and how much hw adaptation people you have | 14:02 |
slaine | HD media playback | 14:02 |
mikhas | wait for Haswell? | 14:03 |
slaine | We're currently using Pinetrail Atoms | 14:03 |
slaine | Likely having to use Cedartrail over the next few months, even if just for a product demo | 14:03 |
mikhas | If I had to plan products and was already using Intel, I would not switch right now. | 14:03 |
slaine | The question is can we wait for VallyView late next year or do we take the plunge | 14:04 |
mikhas | But then again, I am not doing such planning ;-) | 14:04 |
slaine | mikhas: I am :) | 14:04 |
slaine | I flip flop between it | 14:04 |
slaine | Stskeeps: at the moment it's me, part time to hw adaptation | 14:04 |
slaine | its relatively easy for our intel devices, I generally might just have to package up touchscreen drivers | 14:05 |
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slaine | Stskeeps: the bigger challenge coming up there will be Cedartrail support | 14:06 |
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bfederau | Hey. I'm using a OBS appliance and want to setup a local Mer fakeobs instance. Is it posible to use the obslight-fakeobs command inside the appliance or should I follow the manual from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FakeOBS ? | 14:21 |
Stskeeps | the latter | 14:22 |
Stskeeps | we don't maintain obslight-fakeobs | 14:22 |
bfederau | ok. thanks. | 14:23 |
Stskeeps | and you probably want to use the mer OBS sw package | 14:26 |
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bfederau | what is this mer OBS sw package? Does it contain a complete OBS instance/server for mer? | 14:36 |
Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup - we have special cross compilation, so | 14:40 |
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bfederau | ah ok and on pub.meego.com OBS you are using the mer OBS sw package? I'm asking this because on my local OBS I already build packages against MeeGo 1.2.0 and now I want to add Mer build targets. | 14:52 |
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Stskeeps | yes | 14:54 |
Stskeeps | building agaisnt meego 1.2 should work too | 14:54 |
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Sage | lbt: phaeron: so ideas what to do with repomd-pattern-builder ? | 14:58 |
phaeron | Sage: what's the problem there ? | 14:59 |
Sage | it works for my osc/obs usage fine with single patterns in .yaml but for rest it is well not so good atm. | 14:59 |
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zhxt | lbt: oops, my fault. Finally, I finger it out, missing a "pub" in that URL. :p | 15:03 |
phaeron | Sage: shouldn't it be easy to add a --one-file mode which generates a single file with all patterns concatenated ? | 15:03 |
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Sage | phaeron: well, that isn't the problem. as the current groupxml thing is patterns one-filemode :) | 15:47 |
phaeron | Sage: groups xml doesn't support all the features supported by patterns | 15:48 |
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[ol] | Stskeeps: Progress report. As I mentioned yesterday, after fixing several bugs in sb2 and 2 bugs in qemu, I've succeeded building m4 for x86_64. However, building autoconf didn't work because it requires Perl. And building Perl failed because ... qemu doesn't support NPTL on x86 targets! Any program using threads dies with SIGSEGV under qemu. | 15:59 |
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[ol] | Stskeeps: There is an unofficial patch for qemu to support NPTL on i386, but no luck for x86_64, and my knowledge of x86 segment registers is insufficient to judge whether the same approach is sufficient for x86_64. | 16:01 |
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[ol] | Stskeeps: So, I've spent rest of last night to write a better cputransparency program which takes advantage of the fact that x86_64 programs can be run under SDK provided that the proper shared libraries are in LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the host's Linux kernel is built for x86_64 (mine is). | 16:03 |
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Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:04 |
phaeron | wow | 16:04 |
Stskeeps | makes sense | 16:04 |
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[ol] | Stskeeps: My idea is to exec a different "sb2-show start ..." from cputransparency program. This sb2-show is build for x86_64 and it preloads libsb2.so.1 built for x86_64. However, it's still unclear to me how sb2-show makes cputransparency program load libsb2.so.1: there is no LD_PRELOAD env var set for cputransparency program. | 16:06 |
Stskeeps | there was something about being able to load a different libsb2.so.1.. let me see if i can find it | 16:10 |
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Stskeeps | if there's no cpu transparency, ~/.scratchbox2/libsb2/targets/$target_basename/$library_interface/libsb2.so.1 may be useful | 16:11 |
[ol] | This idea is based on assumption that I understand correctly that the target program is run using undocumented "start" subcommand of sb2-show program. At least, my strace analysis shows that there are 2 execve system calls in the process running the target program in absence of cputransparency program: sb2-show and then the target program itself. If there is cputransparency program, it's execed instead of the target program. Also, it's not documented, but I've found | 16:12 |
[ol] | that cputransparency program is fun with following arguments: -L / TARGET_PROGRAM ARGS | 16:12 |
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[ol] | What is $target_basename and $library_interface? | 16:13 |
Stskeeps | it's in utils/sb2 | 16:13 |
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[ol] | Strange. "sb2-show libraryinterface" outputs "127". What does it mean? | 16:16 |
Stskeeps | that's the version of the sb2 library, don't worry about that :) | 16:17 |
Stskeeps | it's to make sure there's no binary incompatibilities | 16:17 |
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[ol] | Strange. Even without cputransparency program it attempts to run "-L / /usr/bin/ls /" instead of "/usr/bin/ls /"... | 16:31 |
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[ol] | Some lua rules seem to be involved. | 16:31 |
zuh | Stskeeps: ominously 127 is what shells tend to return for "command not found" ;) | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | [ol]: yeah, qemu parameter -L | 16:32 |
[ol] | Stskeeps: Yes. But how to get rid of it? | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | [ol]: did you remove the -c parameter totally? | 16:33 |
[ol] | sb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu-gcc | 16:33 |
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Stskeeps | hmm | 16:36 |
Stskeeps | why on earth does it try -L then.. | 16:36 |
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[ol] | Uh oh. Another bug in sb2. :-) | 16:42 |
Stskeeps | i think we've gone being bleeding edge now ;) | 16:43 |
Stskeeps | beyond | 16:43 |
[ol] | Tt always adds "-L /", assuming cputransparency command is always qemu, even if there is no cputransparency command specified. | 16:44 |
Stskeeps | ah | 16:45 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: you seem to be liking links that seem porn-ish on facebook | 17:25 |
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Stskeeps | is it intentional? | 17:25 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:25 |
lbt | ! | 17:26 |
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Stskeeps | if it was, it's cool, but mostly it's not ;) | 17:27 |
lbt | clever bastards :) | 17:27 |
Stskeeps | http://thepctool.com/2012/facebook-warning-avoid-how-awful-15-years-publicly-high-school-drunk-scam/ specifically | 17:28 |
lbt | a sensible Tango colleague had a strange 'like' so I had a look - was spam | 17:28 |
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CosmoHill | wtf? | 17:29 |
lbt | something on there clearly 'liked' in javascript or something | 17:29 |
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yunta | should I subscribe to fb ? ... | 17:32 |
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lbt | yunta: there's no #mer-w ... | 17:33 |
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yunta | I'm tempted by your porn-ish links | 17:34 |
lbt | Here, try this one: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/135255_10151354875514388_34024861_o.jpg | 17:34 |
CosmoHill | lbt: what is that? | 17:35 |
lbt | guess | 17:35 |
yunta | wtf am I seeing, weird devices, lots of lube, cat food, kitten on it's side, sharp things, some white substance | 17:36 |
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CosmoHill | something to do with a car heater? | 17:36 |
lbt | nope | 17:36 |
yunta | all of this on kitchen table? | 17:36 |
lbt | yup | 17:36 |
CosmoHill | i was meant to get some copper greese today | 17:37 |
CosmoHill | are they either end of some casing? | 17:38 |
lbt | no, one unit | 17:38 |
shmerl | Reminds me of attempt to heal Nvidia card fan with lubricating oil. I had to drill two holes in the fan cover for that. | 17:38 |
CosmoHill | looks like a channel some liquid runs through to heat or cool it | 17:39 |
lbt | +1 | 17:39 |
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CosmoHill | iirc those white circles pop out under excess presure, oil cooler or some type | 17:40 |
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lbt | they don't pop out - that's cpu thermal transfer paste | 17:41 |
CosmoHill | so that bit is a heatsink | 17:42 |
CosmoHill | and the instant gasket is a decor | 17:42 |
lbt | no, that was the main point of taking it apart | 17:42 |
CosmoHill | the two white tubes connect to something else don't they, not each other | 17:48 |
lbt | correct | 17:48 |
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CosmoHill | is it a heat exchanger? | 17:52 |
lbt | no | 17:53 |
CosmoHill | that gold bit top left joining the big circule below the instant gasket is confusing me | 17:53 |
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lbt | it's one outlet | 17:54 |
CosmoHill | looks like a dead end | 17:54 |
lbt | want to see the answer? | 17:55 |
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CosmoHill | sure | 17:55 |
lbt | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/703542_10151354874859388_324693840_o.jpg | 17:55 |
CosmoHill | that's not an answer, I'm even more confused now | 17:56 |
lbt | best kind | 17:56 |
CosmoHill | also, how do you not get shouted at for having that in the kitchen? | 17:56 |
lbt | pick wisely | 17:57 |
CosmoHill | i should be fine once i move out my parents | 17:57 |
CosmoHill | is that next to a toaster? | 17:57 |
lbt | yep | 17:58 |
CosmoHill | see, i can identify that | 17:58 |
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RhymeswA | coffee grinder ?? | 18:01 |
lbt | :) | 18:01 |
lbt | and the first phote? | 18:02 |
lbt | photo ? | 18:02 |
RhymeswA | definitely porn ... | 18:02 |
lbt | our kind *g* | 18:03 |
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Cosmo[PB] | lbt: that's part of a coffee maker? | 18:05 |
RhymeswA | the pic with the 'copper ease' is most likely a Windows Phone attachment kit ... | 18:05 |
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lbt | RhymeswA: no, you'd see the protective gear if I had one of them in the house | 18:06 |
RhymeswA | ya, ya | 18:06 |
lbt | and the answer is..... | 18:07 |
lbt | <drum roll>... | 18:07 |
lbt | ... the boiler/steam unit from the coffee maker :D | 18:07 |
CosmoHill | hehe | 18:07 |
CosmoHill | i'd say i thought so but you wouldn't believe me | 18:08 |
CosmoHill | how much coffee do you drink to have an industrial coffee maker? | 18:08 |
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lbt | 24298 shots | 18:10 |
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[ol] | Regarding that pr0n photo... How pervert is this! A NAKED CARBURETOR!!! | 19:21 |
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[ol] | And now for something completely different. | 19:47 |
[ol] | Stskeeps: Do you know where Scranchbox2 development is located? I'd like to view its source code history. | 19:48 |
Stskeeps | gitorious.org/scratchbox2/scratchbox2 | 19:49 |
Stskeeps | 2.3_development | 19:49 |
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[ol] | Stskeeps: How can I switch to this branch? I'm reading git manual, but understand nothing. | 20:05 |
[ol] | Oh, finally... After some try and error: git checkout -t remotes/origin/2.3_development | 20:06 |
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shmerl | What's confusing is no way to report bugs in gitorious | 20:08 |
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shmerl | They probably intend to use some external bug tracker | 20:08 |
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[ol] | What is preferable way to send git changes to the owners of a project? | 20:35 |
SpeedEvil | longhand, on vellum. | 20:37 |
Stskeeps | [ol]: on gitorious, merge requests | 20:37 |
Stskeeps | but it varies from project to project | 20:37 |
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[ol] | Stskeeps: I can't. They have the same stupid 3-character limit on username. I'd prefer to sent patches by email. I'm wondering which format is preferable for that. Is the result of "git format-patch" sufficient? Should I specify some special parameters? | 20:39 |
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Stskeeps | git format-patch should also do, i guess | 20:39 |
Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 20:40 |
[ol] | Good night! | 20:40 |
rcg | [ol], honestly, not meaning to sound offensive.. but you seem to be struggling so often with that short user name... why not go the pragmatic way and just use a longer one? | 20:42 |
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[ol] | There are some reasons. Lots of people know me by that name, and I got used to it. Also, I'm very reluctant to register on others' sites, so it's not a problem usually. And, BTW most of reasonable sites use email as a username, so it's not a problem at all. On the other hand, some sites don't like '+' in username, but it's a completely different story... | 20:45 |
rcg | i see | 20:47 |
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[ol] | I wish more sites use OpenID, so I won't have to remember all those passwords. If a site has OpenID login, I'm much happier to use it. Gitorious has OpenID registration, but it's implemented the wrong way: they still require local username with minimum length limit of 3 characters, not allowing to use email or OpenID URL as the username. | 20:51 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | [ol]: kwbllet ? | 20:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | kwallet Q | 20:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | come on | 20:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | kwallet ? | 20:54 |
[ol] | Sfiet_Konstantin: And entering an additional password when I log in? And answering annoying question whether I want to save form fields every time I fill in forms on web sites? These are inconveniences I don't want to face. | 20:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | hum yeah | 20:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | but is there so many new websites that you need to register out there ? | 20:57 |
shmerl | Mozilla persona is better than OpenID IMO. | 20:57 |
[ol] | Fortunately, not so many. | 20:57 |
shmerl | It's easier to use for site developers. | 20:57 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I already feel that my whole life is scattered all around the web | 20:58 |
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rcg | ;) | 20:59 |
rcg | *in | 20:59 |
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shmerl | KeepassX is a good manager too. | 21:00 |
shmerl | (if you mean just to store them) | 21:00 |
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rcg | well, my point was that meepasswords is already available for nemo and can be run on plasma active via nemo-compatibility ;) | 21:01 |
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rcg | but well, that was just a little advertising ;) | 21:01 |
shmerl | What encryption does it use by the way? | 21:03 |
[ol] | Remembering passwords is actually not a big problem. What I really hate is nicknames. If a site requires to select a nickname to register, I usually just go away. I have a real name, I have an email, I have a website, why should I use a nickname? And if a site is popular enough, my favourite nickname is either already used, or the site has some artificial limit on nickname length. | 21:03 |
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shmerl | Many password managers are actually bad. KeepassX is one of the really good ones. | 21:03 |
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shmerl | See http://media.blackhat.com/bh-eu-12/Belenko/bh-eu-12-Belenko-Password_Encryption-Slides.pdf | 21:05 |
rcg | shmerl, iirc 256bit aes cbc | 21:05 |
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rcg | shmerl, from the password a sha256 hash is calculated to encrypt the data | 21:07 |
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rcg | so: password -> sha256 -> 256bit aes cbc | 21:07 |
shmerl | That sounds good. | 21:07 |
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shmerl | Hm, I just found this: https://gitorious.org/keepassx-4-mobile | 21:09 |
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shmerl | But it doesn't look active | 21:10 |
rcg | :) | 21:11 |
rcg | i always appreciate input on meepasswords | 21:11 |
rcg | especially when it is related to security and how to improve it | 21:11 |
shmerl | Does it encrypt the data in memory as well? | 21:12 |
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rcg | it uses qca but the data is put into a qml model | 21:14 |
rcg | so i think there is data in plaintext in memory while it is displayed | 21:14 |
rcg | at least in the qml model | 21:15 |
shmerl | I think it's one of the points in Keepassx that they encrypt memory (Keepass at least, actually I'm not 100% about the KeepassX version) | 21:15 |
rcg | but when the screensaver becomes active the user is automatically logged out | 21:15 |
rcg | i see | 21:15 |
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shmerl | So it's a good to have feature. | 21:16 |
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rcg | i would need to double check but i am pretty sure that on logout the memory is freed | 21:16 |
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rcg | it's quite some time ago i looked into this the last time | 21:16 |
rcg | shmerl, i see.. but i wonder how one would do this when using qt or qml based models and views for displaying the data | 21:17 |
shmerl | Yeah. | 21:17 |
rcg | wouldn't there need to be at least one point in the model or view where the data is accessible in plaintext? | 21:17 |
shmerl | Actually keepassx uses Qt. | 21:17 |
rcg | i see | 21:17 |
rcg | would be interesting to see how they did it | 21:18 |
shmerl | While keepass uses C#/Mono I think. | 21:18 |
shmerl | And I just know that keepass for sure encrypts it. | 21:18 |
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shmerl | Keepassx might lack it actually. | 21:18 |
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rcg | kk | 21:18 |
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shmerl | But if they do - the code is available. | 21:18 |
shmerl | https://www.keepassx.org/downloads | 21:19 |
rcg | hehe, right.. but well.. the big ol' "time issue" kinda keeps on following me very closely | 21:20 |
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shmerl | In theory I don't think they use any kind of "trusted computing" stuff. | 21:22 |
rcg | actually, the presentation was very interesting and i might look at that to further improve meepasswords.. or at least check if i avoided the biggest mistakes one could do | 21:22 |
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shmerl | Yep. In general I think it's one of the best managers around. | 21:22 |
rcg | you mean meepasswords? | 21:23 |
shmerl | I mean keepassx (for the desktop) | 21:23 |
rcg | right ;) | 21:24 |
shmerl | On mobile I didn't use them much yet. | 21:24 |
shmerl | I'll take a look at meepasswords. | 21:24 |
rcg | i didn't use it very much but it made a good impression | 21:24 |
rcg | :) | 21:24 |
rcg | it's intended to be a simple, mobile password safe | 21:24 |
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vgrade | w00t: http://pastie.org/5444668 swaplog output while running qtflyingbus | 21:39 |
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phaeron | lbt: ping | 21:50 |
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vgrade | watch out for Qt5 Beta 2 breakage, http://www.thelins.se/johan/blog/2012/11/changed-behaviour-in-qt-5-beta-2/ | 22:14 |
CosmoHill | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/shortcuts/2012/nov/20/last-british-made-typewriter | 22:16 |
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shmerl | Didn't they complete Babbage's analytical machine though? | 22:20 |
lbt | phaeron: pong | 22:21 |
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phaeron | lbt: never mind | 22:22 |
lbt | ok | 22:22 |
phaeron | found the issue | 22:22 |
lbt | mds? | 22:22 |
phaeron | the structure script hadtypos | 22:22 |
lbt | k | 22:22 |
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CosmoHill | why not plug the camera into a computer? | 22:30 |
vgrade | lbt, been there | 22:30 |
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vgrade | I have a tip there | 22:30 |
lbt | ... | 22:31 |
vgrade | you can slow down messages with kernel line options | 22:31 |
CosmoHill | what would that line be? | 22:32 |
vgrade | CONFIG_BOOT_PRINTK_DELAY=y | 22:32 |
vgrade | or similar | 22:32 |
shmerl | vgrade: By the way, did you hear about any progress of enabling PA/Mer on Nexus 7? | 22:33 |
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lbt | shmerl: LWN :) | 22:34 |
shmerl | Ah, I didn't subscribe there. They wrote about Ubuntu though. | 22:34 |
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shmerl | I guess PA still can have quirks without some adaptation. | 22:35 |
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phaeron | lbt: thanks | 22:43 |
lbt | ? mobs workers? | 22:43 |
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phaeron | yes | 22:45 |
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lbt | 12 now - good | 22:48 |
vgrade | shmerl: I think kulve has had some success with nemo so PA port should be a breeeze | 22:48 |
phaeron | lbt: yeah, thx | 22:49 |
shmerl | Will anyone publish images for that? | 22:49 |
shmerl | If they'll be available I'll probably get a nexus 7, since waiting for Vivaldi seems to take forever. | 22:50 |
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vgrade | shmerl: I've not seen any adaptation packages yet. | 22:52 |
shmerl | OK, we'll have to wait for that I guess. | 22:52 |
shmerl | Who usually works on packaging all that, basyskom? | 22:53 |
vgrade | shmerl: but I did run up nemo and plasma active on mele A1000. An A10 based STB | 22:53 |
shmerl | That's a TV computer? | 22:53 |
vgrade | shmerl: basyskom have done some work on archos A9 in the past. Other adaptations by community | 22:54 |
shmerl | Sounds interesting, but I need a tablet for books reading :) | 22:54 |
vgrade | shmerl: but there is work going on to produce an A10 based tablet for Plasma Active | 22:55 |
shmerl | I guess I'd need to ask in PA circles if anyone plans to package those for Nexus 7. | 22:55 |
shmerl | Yeah, I saw that (also on allwinner) | 22:56 |
shmerl | But who knows how long it'll take yet. | 22:56 |
lbt | yay ... bash runs on a nook color using 3.0.8 | 22:57 |
lbt | no keybd :/ | 22:57 |
vgrade | \o | 22:57 |
shmerl | http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/ | 22:58 |
vgrade | shmerl: yae | 22:58 |
shmerl | Looks like pretty involved in the middle yet. | 22:58 |
vgrade | shmerl: there is more momemtum with A10 than amlogic but still lots to do. I'd say nexus 7 would be best platform | 23:00 |
vgrade | ScriptRipper: hi | 23:00 |
shmerl | vgrade: That's what I think too, since it's mostly already functional, and the hardware is already here. | 23:00 |
shmerl | They just need to wrap things around and publish images to flush that stuff on. | 23:01 |
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vgrade | shmerl: and nvidia are one of the best SoC vendors | 23:01 |
shmerl | They are very impressive - even moved to hardfp for their GPU. | 23:01 |
shmerl | Which is not very common for others. | 23:02 |
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ScriptRipper | Hi Martin Brook | 23:03 |
ScriptRipper | Hi vgrade | 23:04 |
ScriptRipper | seems my notifications do no work in current IRC client | 23:04 |
SpeedEvil | I wish there were proper tegra data sheets | 23:04 |
vgrade | SpeedEvil: I wonder if the latest 2d drivers come with any docs | 23:08 |
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RzR | http://identi.ca/notice/98122043#HarmattanDev is Back | 23:50 |
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lbt | mer_verify_kernel_config is actually really quite neat | 23:54 |
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