Saturday, 2012-10-13

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deztructormorning :)05:28
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iekkumorning08:30
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faenilmorning! o/10:12
w00thi10:14
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6988 Rejected promotion request11:18
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6989 Rejected promotion request11:19
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6990 Rejected promotion request11:19
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6992 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/699211:27
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6993 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/699311:27
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6991 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/699111:27
phaeronSage_: ^^11:28
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Sage_phaeron: you should use invoker we have it11:39
phaeronSage_: it didn't work when I tried that11:40
phaeronfor some reason11:40
Sage_strange anyway that should be used just to make sure apps that are not ment to do not start multiple times11:40
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phaeronso it make some kind of lock ?11:40
Sage_when invoker is used it opens minimized app if it is already running11:41
phaeronhow does it know an app is already running ? lockfile ?11:41
Sage_and then it opens like instantly without any loading so gives also better userexperience11:41
Sage_phaeron: not sure about that11:41
phaeronprobably need to be checked , since if it is a lockfile it should be in tmpfs11:42
Sage_also for meegopas not sure if you need those mkdir's before make install, that path should be also in git format and something that can be upstreamed ;)11:43
phaeronbut for this case I had to remove it to get the app to work11:43
phaeronI tested it so I am sure it is needed11:43
phaeronbut apparently in harmattan packaging it is not needed11:44
Sage_for helium we should not have pkgconfig runtime dependencies in other than -devel packages as that brings also pkgconfig to image which isn't needed11:44
phaeronSage_: hmm true , so I need to change it to plain dep11:45
Sage_it is qml dependency?11:45
Sage_as .so should be automatically found by rpm right?11:46
faenilback :)11:46
phaeronSage_: yes qml when I installed the app I had no webkit and it didn't get pulled in , app came up with black screen11:46
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6993 Rejected promotion request11:46
Sage_then it probably is declarative qtwebkit or something?11:47
phaeronSage_: bbl11:47
w00tI don't think so, I think it's all in the same package for qt4 at least11:48
phaeronw00t: libqtwebkit-qmlwebkitplugin11:48
w00tmmm11:49
w00tI don't know enough about it to know exactly what it needs11:49
phaeronwhy do you think I am sending the fix :D11:50
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* w00t looks at his queue of stuff to release11:51
phaeronSage_: superseding 699111:52
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phaeronSage_: invoker: Invoking execution: '/opt/Meegopas/bin/Meegopas'11:54
phaeronBooster: Loading invoked application failed: '/opt/Meegopas/bin/Meegopas: cannot dynamically load executable'11:54
phaeronwith the original invoker command11:55
w00tthat sounds like they forgot to export main11:55
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phaeronw00t: actually it didn't compile with CONFIG += qdeclarative-boostable and I removed meegotouch dep and kept only mlocale11:57
w00tah.. well.. that sounds like a problem11:57
phaeronie I removed dep on qdeclarative-boostable and meegotouch11:57
phaeroninvoker works with type=e11:57
phaeronshould I use that ?11:58
w00tit's still not a best case11:58
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phaeronok I give up :)11:58
phaeronsuperseding 6993 with invoker type=e12:05
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6994 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/699412:05
Aardphaeron: what broke when compiling with boosters?12:05
phaeronI didn't really dig into it , this is an initial submit12:06
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6995 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/699512:06
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faenilw00t, ping13:19
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faenilit's about a fix I'm making to qt-components13:38
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faenilquiet saturday afternoon :D14:48
iekkudoes people have that thing, what was the name, that.. aaaa! life?14:49
faeniliekku, what's that?14:51
iekkudunno14:51
qwazixI've got a new logo proposal:  http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sail1.png14:52
iekkumaybe something like this ehm, weekend14:52
iekkuwhich seems to be some traditional finnish dish, served after sauna with beer14:52
iekkuqwazix, have you all your proposals in one place?14:53
iekkucould be usefull to collect those somewhere14:53
qwazixhttp://play.qwazix.com/grog/?tag=logos14:53
Stskeepsqwazix: heh, that sort of fits in with the whole sailfish stuff14:53
iekkui like the one with fish14:54
qwazixStskeeps, that's where I got the idea...14:54
iekkubut not sure how close relationship i want't to see between nemo and jolla14:54
iekkuas i would like to see nemo as independed one, not just jolla related14:55
qwazixI was trying to do something innovative with a ships steering wheel but I couldn't so I thought why not go for a sail14:55
faenilqwazix, read it :) I'm still deciding which one is better...at first glance I like the first one more :)14:55
iekkubut that's only my personal opinion :)14:55
Stskeepsthis is what i'm thinking, personal opinion as well: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1277474#post127747414:56
faenilyeah I think the one with the fish is the best one14:56
qwazixfaenil, the one with the sea background?14:56
faenilqwazix, yeah I think so14:56
qwazixI like that to but I was told that the fish is too mean14:57
qwazixI tried to make it more happy but the result is not very good14:57
faenilqwazix, yeah it looks a bit evil, that's true, though that is also what makes it appealing imho :) but yeah, I know we'll find something which everyone likes :D14:58
w00tI personally think we should stop going for consensus, and just have someone set a damn style and run with it :P14:59
faenilw00t, oh come on... :P14:59
w00tart design by committee doesn't work14:59
faenilI agree...it's okay to me if we have a graphics designer decide :)15:00
Stskeepsselect a leader15:00
Stskeeps:P15:00
faenilvia committee? :D15:01
faenilwell I'd say qwazix because he's the one who's made all kind of logs and graphics lately, and I liked his works so far :D15:01
faenillogos*15:01
w00ti'd say it's whoever starts doing the work - and qwazix certainly has started :)15:02
* w00t still needs to look at the new work on packages application15:02
faeniloh about that...I updated packages but I didn't get the new UI in packages application :/15:03
w00tfaenil: it only got released relatively recently I think15:03
w00trpm -q --changelog mg-packages-whatever-the-name-is15:03
faenilalright...I'll try updating again right now ;)15:03
w00tmg-package-manager15:03
faenilold version :)15:04
faenilw00t, ever heard of this QML design issue?  it's fairly big https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-1685615:05
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qwazixw00t, by the way did you see the timepicker? What things should I add/fix so it can be made guideline timepicker for nemo applications?15:07
w00tqwazix: i did see it briefly, but i got buried in other stuff.. can you link me again?15:08
w00tfaenil: no15:08
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qwazixblog: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=231 code:http://github.com/qwazix/qmltimepicker15:09
w00tok, will look in a minute15:10
w00tbusy with some other stuff first15:10
faenilw00t, it's an important limitation of QML States...I was also surprised I had never heard about it...15:10
faenilw00t, RE that...here's one thing for you to review :D fix for NEMO#51115:11
faenilhttps://github.com/faenil/qt-components/commit/59e4d687202970564a063f6f7645fdb67d12f50015:11
w00tfaenil: throw it in a PR and I'll look when I have time, special will probably also want a look15:12
faenilw00t, yeah I already talked to special about part of the fix ;)15:13
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w00tqwazix: so, i think theming is going to be the most annoying problem15:23
w00tas theming in nemo is currently a bit of a mess15:24
qwazixright now it uses just two borderimages15:24
qwazixwhich are in the same folder with the qml,15:24
w00twell yes, but we can't do that15:25
qwazixwe could try using assets in /usr/share/themes and if nothing is found, use those existing images as fallback?15:25
w00tcomponents isn't supposed to use a theme15:25
w00tso we need to ship them as part of nemo15:25
w00tthe problem is, which package to put them in15:26
w00tnemo-theme-default maybe15:26
qwazixaha, now I think I get it.15:26
w00tgraphical assets go elsewhere, basically15:26
w00tI think we're down to two themes now: nemo-theme-default, and darko, with some ongoing discussions about collapsing darko into nemo-theme-default15:27
qwazixI think it makes sense to be included in nemo-theme-default15:28
qwazixSo that a themer can change the look of the timepicker accordingly15:29
w00texactly15:29
w00twe should try use the same asset ids as harmattan too15:29
w00t(for the same reason: if someone is using those elsewhere, our theme can override it and give them pretty graphics)15:29
w00tI think we'll probably need a few iterations on the code and API, but that's solvable15:30
w00tI do wonder how https://gitorious.org/harmattan-timepicker factors into this15:31
qwazixYeah, I saw that after making my timepicker,15:32
qwazixBut after reviewing the code, mine doubles as an arbitrary circular timepicker which that one doesn't.15:32
w00twhat's your thoughts?15:32
w00tI don't follow15:33
qwazixSorry, I wasn't clear, let's start again.15:33
w00tSage_: let me know when 6996 and 6997 are in CE: please15:34
qwazixBefore starting with the timepicker I decided that the first thing we need is a circular slider component15:34
w00tok, so your point is that the circular slider can be reused elsewhere?15:34
qwazixyes, and it has a couple of features too15:34
w00tyou're going to hate me a bit, but i'm actually rather reluctant to expose that15:34
w00t(at least initially)15:35
w00tonce API is public, it can't be made un-public15:35
w00t(easily)15:35
qwazixCorrect.15:35
w00tso I'd rather leave it to percolate for a while, and figure out if we have use cases for it, than expose it directly15:35
qwazixI couldn't agree more. Maybe it has bugs too so that we have to change the API by fixing them15:36
w00tso, the ideal way to proceed (from the code POV) for me, is to take it into com.nokia.meego.extras, where afair the existing time picker code exists15:36
w00tkeep the existing API, but use your new UI15:36
qwazixthat's a bit tricky because the old api is for a dialog15:37
qwazixand I explicitly didn't want to make it a dialog15:37
w00tok, let me look instead of shooting off uninformed opinions ;)15:37
w00tah, right15:37
qwazix(of course we can make a wrapper dialog around it and solve this)15:37
w00tit's explicitly a Dialog15:37
w00tin which case pretend I didn't say that15:38
w00tnew API is fine15:39
w00tI'm not sure what to do with the existing dialog15:39
qwazixI think it should be taken as a new component, and the timePickerDialog rewritten to use this new component15:39
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w00twe *could* turn it into a sheet internally, which uses your component15:40
w00tSheet has the same public API as a Dialog (open, accepted, rejected signals)15:40
w00tI think leaving it as a Dialog would look really awkward/horrible due to the dark background and transparency15:40
w00tbut that's a secondary concern15:40
qwazixthat sounds good15:40
w00tI'd just call it DatePicker I think15:41
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qwazixThat would be timepicker. I didn't do a datepicker yet, but I think we'd better reuse code from qmlcalendar15:42
w00ter15:42
w00tmental slip15:42
w00tI meant TimePicker15:42
w00tI guess take a look at TimePickerDialog, and see what API *isn't* related to the dialog part of things, and expose them if they're useful15:43
w00tand then we're good to go15:43
qwazixanyway I still have to add 24h support and AM/PM15:43
qwazixI think I did that, but I'll double-check15:43
w00thour/minute/second properties, hourMode as you point out, etc15:43
qwazixah, yes, I don't have seconds too (but that's trivial to implement)15:44
w00tgreat start, btw15:45
qwazix(which e.g. would be harder with the harmattan clone components)15:45
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qwazixthanks.15:45
qwazixIs qml2 coming to nemo anytime soon?15:45
w00teeh15:45
w00tit's there in experimental form, but for applications, not anytime soon, i'd say15:46
w00tonce qt5 is released properly and stops changing around, we can start to evaluate more what needs to be done to port15:46
qwazixok, because I could really use a PathAnimation for the timepicker, but I guess it'll have to wait15:46
w00t*nod*15:47
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* w00t works on updating his device from mer-next snapshot to current16:01
w00tthis is going to explode in my face.16:01
w00t:P16:01
faenilw00t, what do you mean qml2 isn't usable for applications? because of its current "official" state, or because of the Mer port?16:03
w00tfaenil: because none of the middleware works with QML216:03
w00t\Qt 516:04
faenilso I can't just rewrite the gallery (just an example) using Qt5?16:04
w00tunless you really like having your application without a virtual keyboard, orientation, etc, no16:04
faenilalright, crystal clear :D16:04
w00twhen we move, there's going to be a period of a fair amount of pain16:04
faenilghhh :D16:05
w00talthough some work is already happening to look at minimising those effects, like vesa's work on removing QAction as a dependency from mlite16:06
faenilhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/pull/216:06
faenilw00t, I see...16:07
w00t...16:09
* w00t wonders how he ended up listening to the spice girls16:09
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w00thttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=517 is annoying16:14
MerbotNemo bug 517 in Contacts/People "contactsd goes nuts on upgrade" [Normal,New]16:14
w00thttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=518 too (deztructor, might be something you have a theory on)16:17
MerbotNemo bug 518 in SystemUI "sysuid consumes all available CPU (while screen is on) after contextkit provider upgrade" [Normal,New]16:17
faenilw00t, any idea how I can make the screen stay on while watching a video?16:22
w00thttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Inhibiting_the_device_screen_saver_using_Qt16:24
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faenilw00t, QSystemScreesaver :O didn't know that class existed :D16:26
faenilthanks ;)16:26
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6998 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/699816:41
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6995 Accepted promotion request16:43
faeniljust sent a PR for NEMO#21816:45
faeniltoo16:45
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6994 Accepted promotion request16:48
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6998 Accepted promotion request16:50
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6999 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/699916:58
faenilcos-, hey :) do you think you have time to finish the pinching algo this weekend?17:01
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6999 Accepted promotion request17:21
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FryeI have to say I like the latest nemo image17:28
faenilFrye, glad you do :)17:30
FryeBeen a while since I last tried it.17:30
FryeBeen too busy elsewhere17:30
faenilI see..17:33
FryeI think the previous I tested was form July17:33
iekkuthere has been huge progress after that17:33
faenilso the homescreen changed :)17:34
faeniland a lot of other things17:34
Fryeyep17:34
Fryelot has changed17:34
iekkuFrye, hope in the better direction17:35
Frye=)17:35
iekkuto the...17:35
Fryeso far looks good17:35
FryeI ditched my development iPhone to the drawer and took my N900 out again =)17:35
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faenil:)17:37
FryeHmm, one not s good change is tha terminal seems to want to have virtual kb open all the time =)17:43
faenileheh, yeah :)17:45
Fryewlan connectivity seems to be better now. There was a bug or so earlier.17:49
FryeHad no issues setting that one up.17:49
faenilbbl17:51
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7000 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/700018:35
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faenilback :) watching "The usual suspects" :D18:46
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cos-faenil: i probably have some time to hack it tomorrow.. but can't promise anything19:21
cos-faenil: last time i broke it completely, but figured out method to get the image size that would work in both cases.19:23
specialcos-: what's that?19:26
cos-monitor Image's state and store the original size when it becomes ready. before this width & height shouldn't be touched19:33
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cos-and modify the width & height in javascript code only when the original size is known19:34
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cos-the normal way would be to bind image's width & height to flingarea's contentwidth & height, but that will lose the original size which is required19:35
cos-let me know if you know a better way to do this..19:35
specialone concern is that you can't set sourceSize, which means it will load full-size and that can kill performance (even after loading)19:37
speciallarge images may not fit in textures and thus draw much more slowly19:37
specialsetting sourceSize after loading causes it to be reloaded (because Image is awful)19:37
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faenilback :)20:40
faenilgreat movie :)20:40
faenilhi special ;)20:40
specialhi20:40
ajalkaneWhat's a great movie?20:40
faenilThe usual suspects20:41
ajalkaneAh yes. Indeed it is.20:41
faenilI hadn't seen it yet...20:41
faenilback into gallery :D20:42
ajalkaneA sizable gap in the movie lore for sure. Better late than not ever. Or how did it go...20:42
faenilajalkane, yeah :D20:42
faenilspecial, I've sent the PR for the components fix, and one for the gallery too20:43
specialfaenil: did you solve the layout issue in the components one?20:45
faenilspecial, yeah, it works ok now, and I did nothing too risky...so it shouldn't break anything20:46
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faenilspecial, it's difficult to answer your questions, because that conditional expression doesn't leave much to understand...21:08
faenilas they wrote it21:08
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specialwell21:12
specialthere are two questions in that21:13
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specialfirstly: does the behavior when (tools == null) (or when transitioning to/from that) change with this patch, and if so, are those changes regression?21:13
specialand second: what is the correct behavior when (tools == null), and is that what we now have?21:13
faenilexactly, the problem is, we don't know what the correct behaviour is when tools == null...because if that conditional expression was wrong, who tells me what's the correct default state? :)21:14
special"correct" does not mean "what they did"21:14
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faenilagree21:15
specialwhich is why I split it into two questions21:15
special"does this behave differently from how it did before in any regressive way?" and "does this behave how we actually want it to?"21:15
faenilalright..21:16
specialI can install it on device and play around at some point today to see what I think21:16
faenilI'll give you the answers in a few mins21:17
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faenilspecial, what happened before when tools == null? I mean...default state didn't match "when" of the default state...21:18
faenilso the item couldn't be in "" state, because it didn't match the "when" condition...21:19
specialit's hard to tell.21:20
specialah, wait21:20
specialtools == null is matched by the hidden state.21:21
specialthat isn't a problem then21:21
faenilgood21:22
specialmy mistake. It looks fine, then21:22
faenilokay ;)21:22
specialwill merge shortly, coffee first21:24
faeniltyt ;)21:24
faenilthough I find it hard to believe that that expression being wrong only had that (relatively hidden) effect... mm21:26
faenilI hope that wasn't a patch for something else they didn't want to investigate into21:26
specialyou could look at git blame/git log if you're curious21:29
specialbut I can't come up with any reason for the old logic to make sense.21:29
faenilyeah :/21:31
specialheh, I forgot my qt-components was on a broken experimental tangent21:31
faenilthe API break ones? :)21:31
faenilone*?21:32
specialhttps://github.com/special/qt-components/commit/fa56314601614c2db772b67e27a914e7683d094121:32
faenilread it yesterday ;)21:32
specialinteresting experiment, probably not ever going to be mergeable.21:32
faeniloww :(21:33
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krispypenHello, I'm trying the nemo image in a virtualbox, but i get the error "drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp" is this because you must have an intel graphic card?21:35
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faenilspecial, just noted some things21:56
faenil1) bar still autohides if you pinch21:57
faenil2) still autohides if there is a "sheet" open21:57
specialthe latter is a little annoying. Not sure I mind much with pinching, although it might be nice if it showed up when you pinch all the way out21:57
faenilyou mean when you're zooming out and you reach scale 1?21:58
specialpossibly21:58
faenilhave to remember that :921:58
faenil:)21:58
faenilabout the sheet, yeah that's more complicated21:59
faenilmaybe the sheet makes the underneath page "inactive" or something?21:59
specialI don't believe so. It may cause focus changes, but that won't help because of FocusScope's horrid signal behavior22:00
faenilmm22:00
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faenileither we reset the times every time you click on anything on the toolbar...(which still requires remembering to add the call to stop() whenever you add an icon on the toolbar)...22:03
faenilor...22:03
faenildon't know :D22:03
faeniltimer*22:03
faenilor restart() anyway22:03
specialwouldn't help if the sheet is open for more than X seconds22:04
faenilyeah that was only for tool icons, not dialogs22:05
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faenilspecial, I was also looking into fixing this https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40422:14
MerbotNemo bug 404 in Photos/Gallery "Double tap zoom in doesn't work in gallery" [Normal,New]22:14
faenilbut I'm afraid that work will be useless when cos-'s changes are merged22:14
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faenilspecial, ping22:31
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specialfaenil: pong22:32
faenilspecial, do you know more about MenuItem's enabled property? it seems it can't be grayed out :/22:32
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faenilhttps://github.com/faenil/qt-components/blob/master/src/meego/MenuItem.qml#L11022:33
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faenilspecial, and I also found this https://github.com/faenil/qt-components/blob/master/src/meego/style/MenuItemStyle.qml#L7022:34
faenil:/ :/22:34
speciallooks like it's disabled because there's no theme graphic for it?22:34
faenilyes... :(22:34
faenilwanted to know if you had any update on that...because we need just that :P22:35
specialwhat for"22:37
faenilto gray out menuitems :)22:37
faenilit doesn't matter much :) just wanted to know if you had any update on it since it seems a rather old story :P22:38
faenilI can make do with the gray text which indicates the menuitem is disabled22:38
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faenilanyway, good night people22:41
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