Monday, 2012-10-29

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iekkumorning03:26
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dcthangmorning, Do gst-plugin-ugly and gst-plugin-bad exist  on  Nemo image? Or somewhere?04:45
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kulvedcthang: there's quite strip down version called gst-plugins-bad-free but it didn't include much so I packaged the upstream gst-plugins-bad in CE:Adaptation:RaspberryPi05:18
dcthangCan it be used on N9-N950?05:36
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kulvedcthang: not directly, as it's armv6 build. You should branch it and couple of its dependencies to n9 project for a correct build. No code/configuration changes should be needed though07:10
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iekkunemo bug triage?08:01
Stskeepsok08:02
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7156 Accepted promotion request08:51
sledgesgood morning08:51
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sledgesit appears pandaboard releases were somewhat halted? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#PandaBoard (nothing pandaboardy deep under http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ )08:52
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sledgeshow can I show mouse cursor in Nemo?08:55
sledgesM_USE_SHOW_CURSOR=1 didn't do the job :{08:55
w00tyou more or less can08:56
sledges(running on Asus EeePC - looks fantastic!)08:56
w00t't08:56
sledges8-)08:56
sledgesI'm about to demo it to my boss, I believe this is a critical task for me..08:56
Stskeepssledges: edit etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch ?08:57
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sledgesah the good old one08:58
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sledgesIT WORKED X !!!08:59
sledges:D08:59
sledgesta Stskeeps08:59
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7161 Accepted promotion request09:05
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rcgw00t, i saw that you are working on an email client for nemo09:28
rcggot a link?09:28
rcg:)09:28
w00tgithub.com/nemomobile/qmlmail09:28
rcggreat, thanks :)09:29
rcgabout three month ago i also started a "qmlmail" project.. shoulda have googled better before that ;)09:29
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faenilmorning people :)09:37
sledgesmorning faenil !09:37
iekkuahoy faenil09:37
rcgmorning faenil :)09:38
sledgesrunning latest Nemo live image on Asus EeePc 100HA , looks nice!! but animations cause whole screen to flicker :(09:38
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faenilsledges, are you running the one with the X upgrade? i.e. latest snapshot09:49
faenilor latest released image?09:49
sledgesnemo-handset-i586-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1.img  faenil09:53
sledgesdid not do yet zypper up, my fault (if that thing was fixed)09:53
faenildon't know...I have not joined the i586 Nemo world yet09:53
sledgeswill try ref and up09:54
sledgeshow to make Nemo play MP3s?09:54
sledgesI play flac, but from virtualbox no sound is coming out (:09:59
sledges:(09:59
Stskeepsamixer -c 0 and add a sound card10:01
sledgessoundcard's there (default vbox vm)10:03
sledgesamixer shows stuff10:03
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sledgesok, good ole times, had to use alsamixer (GUI), to unmute master and PCM.. 8) ta Stskeeps10:06
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* sledges from today loves gst-plugins-good and alsa-utils :)10:12
sledgesso nemo-handset-i586-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07 has broken installer-shell (too many arguments on line 341) - do you know any release before that worked?10:15
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sledgesok, this is not broken (will look to file a bug): nemo-handset-i586-0.20120816.1.NEMO.2012-08-31.1.img10:28
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sledgesohhh,11:16
sledgesnemo-handset-i586-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07 installed itself fine with installer-shell11:16
sledgesbut after booting into installed system, running zypper ref and up11:16
sledgesit borked /boot/extlinux conf :(11:16
sledgesand I did not have a backup D:11:17
sledgesduring extlinux update installer spat "grubby: no ...template found" twice11:17
sledgestrying to reconstruct .conf to no luck11:17
kjokiniedeztructor: Sage_: how do you want the kernel patches for the old N9 kernel (CE:Adaptation:N950-N9)? pull request for bitbucket or OBS patch + SR?11:29
deztructorkjokinie: it is @ github, so just push to github repo11:30
deztructorbranch mer-n9-2.6.32-2012130111:30
kjokiniedeztructor: ok, I'll do that11:30
deztructorkjokinie: to release just tag it there like nemo-n9-2.6.32.YYYYDDMM.X, where X is number of release done during the date YYYYDDMM and make corresponding tarball like it is done now.11:33
deztructorkjokinie: btw, if ur modifying it, can u put this information into the package README? (regarding tag and tarball/dir name)11:34
kjokiniedeztructor: do you make the tar with git archive? Yes I can modify it.11:36
deztructorkjokinie: yes, i do11:36
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deztructorkjokinie: like exporting TAG, so DIRNAME=kernel-$(echo $TAG | sed -e 's/nemo-//')11:42
kjokiniedeztructor: ok, thanks11:43
deztructorkjokinie: samoin :)11:44
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sledgesok, now after zypper ref up on i586 i'm getting systemd-udevd: worker did not accept message -1 (connection refused)12:31
sledgesand falls into emergency mode12:31
kjokiniedeztructor: you have a bug in your tagging policy: the DDMM results in random sorting of the tags :p12:51
kjokiniedeztructor: mind if I change it to YYYYMMDD?12:51
deztructorkjokinie: this is not my bug but it was done for consistency with nokia naming12:52
kjokinieahh12:52
deztructorkjokinie: of course it is better to make it like YYYYMMDD12:53
deztructorkjokinie: and i stupidly followed :(12:53
kjokinieI'll change it then ;)12:53
deztructorkjokinie: be sure it will not break update12:54
deztructorit seems can break12:54
kjokinie"don't worry, I saw it work in a cartoon once"... ok, I'll make sure it works before I push12:55
deztructorbecause of my stupid choice it can break it12:55
kjokiniedo you mean the OBS could break as well?12:55
deztructorwhat moron got an idea to give it with month after date...12:56
deztructorkjokinie: yes, obs12:56
deztructorSage_: ^12:56
Stskeepssage's on vacation12:56
deztructorStskeeps: it is pity. and phaeron_n9 is also maybe out after long and hard work12:57
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7167 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/716712:57
* deztructor slaps myself and want to slap one who started this awful DDMM tradition12:58
deztructorkjokinie: i have no idea now how to solve this issue13:02
kjokiniedeztructor: ok, doesn't the OBS just build what you put there?13:02
deztructorkjokinie: yes, but upgrade on the device is performed on the base of version13:02
kjokinieor do we have some magic CI stuff going on there that expects increasing tags13:03
deztructorzypper up13:03
kjokiniedeztructor: ok... so just start increasing the .X in the end?13:04
kjokinieuntil we reach 2013?13:04
deztructorkjokinie: yes, it seems like it is the only normal solution now13:04
kjokinieor just tell everyone to flash clean image13:04
lbtwhat's happening?13:04
* lbt notes we may be able to use ~ in versions13:04
lbtso if we know the next version then ~YYYYMMDD may be helpful13:05
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deztructorlbt: and how upgrade resolver will handle it?13:06
deztructor2.6.32.20121301.1 is installed on the device13:06
lbtMer supports it AFAIK - really need to check13:06
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phaerondeztructor: what's up13:07
lbtI think we have a single resolver algorithm in rpm which is shared and includes this syntax13:07
Stskeepscould somebody tell me the supposed status of bluetooth on n9?13:07
lbtsage did ping me about versioning last week but we didn't connect up13:07
deztructorphaeron: we have kernel versioning now like 2.6.32.YYYYDDMM.X13:07
kjokinieand the DD part is 18 at the moment13:08
deztructorphaeron: while for normal upgrade it should be 2.6.32.YYYYMMDD.X13:08
Stskeepsit's YYYYDDMM, really?13:09
deztructorStskeeps: bluetooth works :) there no gui and a2dp13:09
deztructorStskeeps: the only gui support is control panel (with bugs)13:09
Stskeepsok13:09
deztructorlbt: phaeron can you advice how to handle it?13:10
phaeronapparently carried over from old times13:10
phaeroneasiest way is epoch13:10
phaeronbut that's evil13:10
deztructorphaeron: and what about lbt idea regarding ~YYYYMMDD?13:11
phaeronwhy would going backwards help13:11
Stskeepswon't really work in this circumstance13:11
lbtnot for kernel I don't think13:11
phaeronhttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/revisions?package=kernel-adaptation-n950&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN950-N913:12
phaeronepoch is the easiest way I am afraid13:13
Stskeepsyeah13:13
deztructorand how about kjokinie proposal to use last .X changing until 2013?13:14
Stskeepswhat exactly are you trying to accomplish?13:14
kjokiniesequential release numbering13:14
Stskeepsokay, based off a certain YYYYMMDD release?13:15
deztructorStskeeps: yes, till 2013 it will be based on 2012130113:15
Stskeepsthen .X is probably only way13:15
phaeronyeah normal yyyymmdd is naturally sortable , but right now we are using yyyddmm with dd=1813:15
kjokinieStskeeps: now the formatting is YYYYDDMM, so it's not sequential13:15
phaeronso mm will never be > q813:15
phaeron1813:15
phaeronso we can't switch now13:15
deztructorso, .X till 2013?13:16
lbtyyyy99MMDD until 201313:16
phaeronthat can work too13:16
kjokiniedeztructor: yes, let's do that13:16
lbtor13:16
deztructorlbt: on 2013 we will switch to correct natural YYYYMMDD13:16
phaeronThough the tag becomes meaningless :D13:17
lbtyes - does 20130101 > 2012991231 ?13:17
lbtso maybe yyyy(20+MM)DD13:17
deztructorlbt: no, so it is better to use 20121301.X, where X is incremented till 201313:17
deztructorlbt: also a way :)13:18
kjokinie:) this is turning into nice bike shedding :)13:18
lbthey - you asked us :D13:18
kjokinieyes, ,my mistake :D13:18
phaeroneither epoch:corrected version13:18
* lbt thinks yyyy(20+MM)DD keeps the string format consistent13:19
deztructori think we have enough versions to just use incrementing .X13:19
phaeronor version.113:19
deztructor.X can be also a big number, so why not13:19
lbtDNS SOA format YYYYMMDDXX13:19
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kjokinieI'll push new tag with .X incremented, and amend the README with comments about this versioning13:20
deztructorphaeron: lbt if you have no objections against .X ++ kjokinie will go this way13:20
Mric_hey everyone, I just wondering if their is a tutorial how to make a triple boot (Meego-Nemo-Android) for the N9 ?13:20
phaerondeztructor: yeah that sounds fine to me13:21
deztructorhere we go13:21
phaeronand let's hope 3.5+ kernel gets somewhere :D13:21
deztructoryep13:21
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sledgesnemo blanked the screen on -i586- but after moving mouse - only a cursor is visible, black screen otherwise13:44
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Stskeepsdeztructor: .. how did you check it works?14:08
Stskeepsi can't get it going with neither control panel nor hcitool14:08
veskuhHow do I revoke pullrequest in github?14:08
sledgesjust close it veskuh ?14:09
deztructorStskeeps: just searching devices from control panel and pairing on n95014:09
Stskeepsdeztructor: doesn't work on my n9 :)14:10
veskuhsledges, Yep14:10
deztructorStskeeps:14:10
deztructormoment14:10
sledgesby closing it :)14:10
deztructorStskeeps: hmm, in kernel everything should be (i mean loading of proper fw). and what dmesg says?14:12
Stskeeps[   10.332336] hci_h4p hci_h4p: firmware: requesting ti1273_le.bin14:12
deztructorStskeeps: hm, so, it looks ok from fw side14:13
Stskeepsand yes, file exists14:14
deztructorStskeeps: and what with "hciconfig hci0 up"?14:17
phaeronStskeeps: stop connman (it will kill usb connection , disconnect and reconnect usb cable ) hcitool scan should work14:17
phaerondunno what's wrong with connman14:17
phaeronrefuses to up bluetooth14:17
StskeepsCan't init device hci0: Operation not possible due to RF-kill (132)14:18
deztructorStskeeps: ^ from phaeron14:18
deztructorlooks like smth. changed in connman conf14:18
Stskeeps[root@localhost ~]# /usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman enable bluetooth14:18
phaeronStskeeps: systemctl stop connman.service14:18
Stskeepsthen it works14:18
phaeronStskeeps: that didn't work for me14:19
phaeronthe enable thing14:19
Stskeeps[root@localhost ~]# hciconfig hci0 up14:19
Stskeepsas well14:19
phaeronI do hciconfig hci0 up piscan14:20
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phaeronStskeeps: basically something fubared in settings <-> connman <-> bluez14:23
Stskeeps:nod:14:23
Stskeepsthe UI part is broken for sure14:23
deztructorrozhkov: ^14:26
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w00tphaeron: can you look at https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/7168 sometime?14:42
phaeronwoah14:44
w00t*g*14:47
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rozhkovyep. CP plugin for bluetooth got broken after updates. I'll reimplement it when new settings framework is ready14:58
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phaeronrozhkov: thanks15:00
phaeronw00t: meegotouch is still at github ?15:01
phaeronerr gitorious15:01
w00tphaeron: good point, I'll fix the URL, but I'd rather do that in a seperate submit immediately after, as I've already got patches on top of some of that stuff now15:02
phaeronok , I am still going to test it on device :)15:03
w00tplease do15:04
w00tas this is a rather scary submit :P15:04
phaeronyes but I trust you :)15:05
specialthere's your first mistake15:05
* w00t pimp-smacks special 15:06
phaeronI don't trust pimp-smacking people though :D15:06
w00tit's more reliable than you'd think :P15:07
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phaeronhome come qt-components doesn't have -tests15:07
phaerononly libmeegotouch-tests :(15:07
phaerondid you fix them ?15:07
phaeron:D15:08
w00tthere's a pending bug about it still15:08
w00t49615:08
w00t(filed by me, ironically)15:08
w00tas for why they were disabled... I don't know15:08
w00tbut they shouldn't be15:08
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phaeronwhat about lmt tests :)15:14
w00twhat about them?15:18
phaeronany of them fixed or regressed ?15:19
w00tI don't imagine there's any real change15:21
Stskeepsi think what phaeron's hinting on is if we ran any automatic tests on it :)15:22
phaeronor if you are prepared for me doing so :D15:22
w00tyou can always try15:23
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7170 Rejected promotion request15:30
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7174 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/717415:46
faenilo/ hi everyone :)16:05
Stskeepslo faenil16:05
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7174 Rejected promotion request16:05
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sledgeswhat causes nemomobile screen to go dim? (running on i586 Asus EeePC) ? and how to disable it? (in settings it did not work)16:06
Stskeepsmce probably16:23
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7177 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/717716:33
phaerontanuk: ping16:37
tanukphaeron: pong16:37
phaerontanuk: are you  same as jhamalai16:38
phaeronI think not16:38
tanukNo.16:38
phaerondid you see SR#717416:38
tanukNo.16:38
phaeronplease have a look at my comment there https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/717416:39
tanukRight.16:40
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tanukphaeron: I can submit a fixed version.16:42
phaerontanuk: thanks :)16:42
phaeronand tell jhamalai if you know him :)16:42
tanukphaeron: Yes. He's jusa in irc, for some reason he's not here right now (I think he's usually here 24/7)16:43
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phaeronconfusing nicknames vs. usernames :D16:45
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7178 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/717816:48
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phaerontanuk: I should hold that request till pulseaudio 2.1 is integrated into latest mer , right ?17:04
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phaeronw00t: running  the tests.xml17:19
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phaeronw00t: some regressions17:36
w00tphaeron: where?17:36
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Venemohey guys18:47
Stskeepsevening18:48
Stskeepshow's the survey going?18:48
Venemoso far, 84 people have filled it18:48
Venemoand interestingly, most of them have provided lots of textual feedback too18:49
VenemoI haven't yet found an effective means for processing all of it18:50
Venemothe audience is quite biased, but that's hardly surprising18:51
Stskeeps:nod:18:51
Venemoalso, some people seem not to understand the word "flick" and wrote "swipe" in the other category18:53
Venemohave you filled it Stskeeps?18:55
Stskeepsno, i'm rubbish in homescreen desigb18:55
Stskeeps:P18:55
Venemonah, you don't have to know anything about design18:55
Venemothe questions are all about how often do you use this or that feature18:55
tanukphaeron: Pulseaudio 2.1 is in the mer prerelease - I thought that was enough, so no need to hold?18:56
phaeronw00t: ok false alarm , accepting18:56
phaerontanuk: no we need it in release :(18:56
phaeronStskeeps: ^^18:56
Stskeepsphaeron: task tomorrow is making nemo images with -next so we can QA it18:57
Stskeepssage's gone, so somebody needs it18:57
w00tphaeron: terrifying :)18:57
phaeronStskeeps: I'll try to do some QA too18:58
phaeronw00t: will you send another SR to CE: ?19:02
w00tphaeron: usually sage forwards them when accepting19:03
phaeronw00t: cobs won't forward when there are new packages. I think.19:03
w00tok19:04
phaeronw00t: so I accepted that request and you can do SR from Project:MTF:MW to CE:19:05
w00tworking on it19:05
w00t717919:06
phaeronyes it waits for source project to build19:10
phaeronthanks19:10
VenemoStskeeps, so, go and fill it!19:17
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VenemoStskeeps, no excuses. :P19:19
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7179 Rejected promotion request19:59
phaeronw00t: ^^20:00
w00thuh20:00
w00tffs20:01
* w00t once again complains about the state of cobs20:01
w00tphaeron: what's the complaint about mthemedaemon for20:02
phaeron:(20:02
phaeron Extra source files: mthemedaemon.desktop, mthemedaemon.service.20:03
w00tyeah, I saw the message, but I don't understand it20:03
phaeronSpec file changed by specify20:03
w00tthat one I do understand and am fixing, but that's libmeegotouch20:04
w00twhy is it complaining about extra sources?20:04
phaeronw00t: those files need to be mentioned in the  spec file as Source1 and Source2 lines20:04
w00tand they are:20:05
w00tSource1:    mthemedaemon.desktop20:05
w00tSource2:    mthemedaemon.service20:05
phaeronw00t: it's complaining about them as extra files in meegotouch20:05
phaeronnot in mthemedaemon20:06
w00thuh20:06
w00tI see20:06
phaeronw00t: you didn't remove them from the package there20:06
w00tremoved20:06
w00tbuilding20:07
phaeronsorry I should have noticed20:08
w00tphaeron: so on the new OBS, can we have checks on the devel repo, and only allow submits to the devel repo?20:08
phaeronw00t: we do20:08
w00tand can I have it yesterday, along with a pony? :-p20:09
* phaeron starts the personal cloning machinery20:10
phaeronyes master20:10
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w00t:-)20:13
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Venemohey w00t :)20:27
w00thi20:27
* lbt notes the new OBS is blocked until this: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=x86_64&package=obs-server&project=Mer%3AOBS%3ATesting&repository=openSUSE_12.2 is fixed20:32
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7186 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/718620:48
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w00tphaeron_n9: can you accept 7185 when you turn up21:02
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faeniluser feedback: would you expect the image to be scaled down a bit when the system toolbar and bottom toolbar appear? (talking about the image gallery)21:11
faenilimage size changes, and so at the same scale the image appears smaller :/21:13
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7186 Rejected promotion request21:17
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7187 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/718721:21
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Venemow00t, forgot to retweet? :(21:36
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Venemothis: https://twitter.com/Venemo/status/26259164815491072021:36
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* anYc carried out his duty after lunch21:44
Venemothank you :)21:46
Venemothere's lots of useful info coming in21:46
anYcbasically, I'd like a QT version of maemo ;) that video from w00t already looks good21:48
anYcs/good/nice/21:48
Venemowe (qwazix and myself) have a nice a very nice concept21:49
VenemoanYc, it's not a copy of Maemo 5, but it tries to learn from both Maemo and others21:50
anYcokay, I'm looking forward to :)21:52
Venemothe problem with the Maemo and Android home screens is that they get too cluttered very easily21:54
Venemoso while adding widgets is kind of fun for a while, it becomes cluttered soon and then it gets very hard to use21:54
Venemote21:55
Venemothe problem with WP and Harmattan  is that they are a bit too rigid21:55
Venemoso we're trying to get the best of both worlds21:55
anYcah okay, I only have app launcher, battery and next meetings on my home screen21:55
anYcI try to safe energy and stay away from frequently updating widgets21:56
anYcsave21:56
anYcso only stuff I frequently use is there21:57
Venemothe new concept does have widgets, yes :)21:57
anYcexcellent :)21:58
anYcare there already some sketches?21:58
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Venemoyes, on paper :)22:03
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faenilVenemo, how do you get size of the window since screen.width is deprecated?22:08
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7188 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/718822:09
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7187 Rejected promotion request22:13
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Venemofaenil, what window?22:16
faenilVenemo, generally speaking, an orientation-sensitive way to get the width/height of the whole screen22:17
Venemofaenil, oh, I just inject the value from C++ code22:17
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faenilVenemo, ok22:18
faenilVenemo, there was QML Screen element, but its "width" and "height" have been deprecated22:18
faenilyou can only get "displayHeight" and "displayWidth" but those are not orientation-sensitive22:18
faeniland it seems the PageStackWindow has fixed landscape size :/22:19
Venemofaenil, ah, this is not orientation sensitive either22:20
faenilI see22:20
Venemofaenil, orientation is handled by QtMobility22:20
faenilyeah I know22:20
faenilwonder why they have deprecated that without replacing it with something else22:20
faenilit was useful22:20
Venemodunno22:21
specialwindowContent (which is both its id and its objectName) is the lowest-level item to which orientation is applied22:22
specialwell, technically window, but windowContent is less private22:22
specialscreen.display{Width,Height} are used internally but aren't orientation sensitive.22:23
faenilexactly22:23
faenilwhile screen.width/height were22:23
faenilI'll try with windowContent then, thanks22:25
specialwhy not use the size of the page you're on?22:25
faenilspecial, I don't want the image to be resized, that sucks22:25
specialor the appropriate 'parent'22:25
faenilthe page is resized when toolbar appear22:26
faeniltoolbars22:26
faeniland the image is resized too (atm) and it keeps the same scale, thus appearing smaller on screen22:26
faenilthus creating bad UX and a lot of cases to be handled withing the flickable22:26
faeniltoolbars shouldn't make the image smaller imho, so I have to bind it to something else, which is the "whole" screen22:27
Venemoanyway, good night :)22:29
Venemo&have a nice evening everyone22:29
faenilVenemo, you too!22:29
faenilspecial, anyway, it doesn't let me access window/windowContent22:31
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faenilthere we go, found it! it's screen.platformWidth/height...22:40
faenilhow comes it's not documented?22:40
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faenilit's only for meego though22:44
faeniloh crap, now the image is resized before the screen rotates, because the binding is updated sooner....aaargh22:51
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faenilfixed22:57
faenilnot22:58
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7188 Accepted promotion request22:59
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