Wednesday, 2012-10-31

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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7213 Accepted promotion request00:10
w00tphaeron: do you have an n9 running nemo to hand?00:16
w00tcan you tell me what /etc/boardname says for you?00:17
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7212 Accepted promotion request00:19
* w00t is teaching Qt Mobility's systeminfo mer specifics00:21
ljp:) yay00:21
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specialw00t: somebody needs to keep you under control00:22
w00tspecial: o?00:22
specialit's 1am, and every hour all day long I hear you refer to a different patch for a different component00:23
w00tgod bless adhd?00:23
ljpwish I had used plugins for systeminfo00:23
faenilspecial, +100:26
w00tljp: yes, it would have been good I think00:27
faenilyessss \o/ it works! Now I can go to bed :D00:32
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w00tljp: hmm00:34
ljpw00t: I originally designed it that way.. but... someone thought that was overkill ;/00:34
w00tdid you do the maemo6 implementation?00:34
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ljpI did the generic linux, but not harmattan. then it was given to someone else00:35
ljpso I am only half to blame :)00:36
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7214 waiting for review at
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7214 Accepted promotion request01:15
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w00tVesuri: i want to tag a new lipstick release after removing the icon path resolution code, anything you're wanting to get in?09:11
Vesuriw00t: I suppose my notification work will take some time, so please go ahead. I'll make a new tag when I get my stuff done09:11
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Vesurihey jakub :)09:14
w00tVesuri: did you forget to push v0.4.3's tag? I don't seem to have it09:17
Vesuriw00t: I don't think it has been released yet? the version has just been changed09:17
Vesuriso that the next version would be 0.4.3 instead of 0.1 :)09:17
w00tI have it in project:MTF:UX09:17
w00t* Wed Oct 24 2012 Vesa Halttunen <> - 0.4.309:17
Vesurithen that must be the case, sorry09:19
VesuriOct 24 16:1909:19
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w00tVesuri: can you push that tag at some point? would be nice to have it09:31
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Vesuriw00t: yep!09:38
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Aardsince we now and then have problems with moslos autopartitioning messing up, which mostly prompts people just to restart, and end up with a working alternateos, but messed up partition table, I did a small patch making the user responsible for the partitioning:
Aardopinions? better have the script run automatically, or like this?10:11
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phaeronAard: does it reduce the failure rate ?10:14
Aardphaeron: it does not, but should make it easier for people to recover, since it'll blow up in the terminal right in front of their eyes. and it should make us finally get a usable log of what's going on when it blows up10:15
phaeronI seem to vaguely remember people having issues with finding telnet in recent ubuntu :D10:16
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sledgesdepends on how often this happens:
Aardsledges: I've seen it quite often lately ;)10:19
sledgesit means more people started doing it on N9 :D10:19
sledgesI thought it was only my australian N9, so decided to write that article anyway10:20
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Aardanother option would be giving a choice of autopartition vs. telnet in through volume key, but since the moslo script already is a horrible mess, and I want to replace it completely in the not-to-far future anyway I'd prefer not to go there :)10:20
sledgesnot sure if many people (even geeks) know how to resize partitions from command line, I know I don't10:20
sledgesmaybe we could provide a tutorial on wiki, and direct to it from within MOSLO10:21
Aardis possible10:21
Aardsledges: if you look at the screenshot, currently I suggest calling the autopartition script manually, so you just need to do what's written on the display, and come to irc if it blows up10:22
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sledgesMOSLO could say: come to IRC if you don't know how to resize and partition your device10:22
sledgesso that what is currently, isn't it Aard ?10:23
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sledgesright, now had a second glance to the screenshot ;)10:23
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sledgesand as phaeron said, we are bound to people not knowing how to use telnet. If they don't, it's better they haven't started flashing at all, or?10:25
sledgesat this stage is pretty safe, yes; until a MOSLO's rewrite10:25
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Aardsledges: if they don't use telnet they won't be able to recover from a partitioning failure, and I'm not sure if reflash will work (I know that I can reflash my rnd n9 with the nokia-internal flasher, but never tried if it works with the public bits without fixing the partition table)10:26
w00tphaeron: SR 721510:27
Aardso yes, it might make sense to have the 'you need to be this tal^W^Wable to use telnet' obstacle before flashing10:27
w00tphaeron: i'd appreciate your giving it a test too, works for me, but the more poking it gets the better10:27
sledgesnokia flasher should reflash everything, i think many people went down that route, and nokia flasher solved everything. otherwise we'd be facing many bricked phone faces here :)10:27
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Aardsledges: there are some bits the public flasher does not do, but I don't have a list of it10:28
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sledgesso you are not aware of a mere joe using moslo, having partitions messed up, giving up and using nokia's flasher to restore status quo ?10:29
sledgesfair enough10:31
Aardfeel free to give it a try, though :)10:32
sledgeswell if flasher bricks it, MOSLO can still step in10:32
sledgesunless bootloader goes bonkers10:32
Aardyep, but if the people can't use telnet they have a problem :)10:33
sledgesadd another disclaimer then :D10:33
Aardno, after thinking about it phaeron 'some people don't know how to use telnet' really should be taken as 'then either don't flash or learn how to use it'10:34
sledgesthat's the disclaimer I was thinking about, it's enough if that goes to wiki10:35
sledges(everyone goes to wiki to start with flashing anyhows)10:35
phaeronit's also involve dealing with network manager messing up usb910:35
Aardphaeron: honestly, I prefer people having problems with the setup _before_ trying to change the partition table, and not _after_ the partition table is broken10:37
phaeronAard: yes I guess I am just proving the point that you're raising the barrier to entry for good purpose so I approve10:37
phaeronbut this should be announced too10:37
Aardof course, and I'll not push anything about that today10:39
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w00tphaeron: do I need to forward that to CE: too?11:06
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phaeronw00t: did the creq11:07
w00tok, thanks :)11:07
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phaeronw00t: one thing , some of the icons show up a bit delayed11:11
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w00tphaeron: that's expected, if there's load on the device at the time11:15
phaeronw00t: well there's always load at bootup11:15
peetahwhere can i download mtd-utils and mtd-utils-ubi for the latest nemo release ?11:23
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7216 waiting for review at
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7216 Accepted promotion request11:36
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7219 waiting for review at
sledgesabout to try zypper ref&up on N9 (hope all is stable`ish :))12:39
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7220 waiting for review at
sledgesany plans to go on 'devel' and 'stable' repos?12:41
phaeronyes on new obs12:41
sledgesany plans on new obs? :D12:42
sledgesor you mean naming structure?12:42
sledges(question remains)12:42
phaeronsledges: new obs is there just needs some more setting up + migration12:42
phaeronnew structure is there too12:42
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7219 Accepted promotion request12:44
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7218 waiting for review at
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sledges412 packages, it's been a while :)12:55
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7218 Accepted promotion request12:56
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7220 Accepted promotion request13:39
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MSameerwhat's the policy regarding "forking" libraries from ?14:14
MSameerI need to adapt
MSameerclean it up and perhaps remove some functionality14:15
MSameerdo I just import it somewhere ?14:15
MSameerseems it's already available14:16
MSameerlet me check obs14:16
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Stskeepsput on github if no longer maintained14:16
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MSameerhow would i know it's not maintained ?14:17
MSameerlast update was a year ago14:17
MSameeralmost a year ago14:17
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phaerontry contacting the maintainers14:18
Stskeepsusually that14:18
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phaeroneither they don't reply or give you maintainership14:19
phaeroneitherway then move it to github14:19
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sledgesoh no14:31
sledgesRetrieving: libnotificationsystem0-1.4.0-3.10.Nemo.UX.MTF.armv7hl.rpm [error]14:31
sledgesFile './armv7hl/libnotificationsystem0-1.4.0-3.10.Nemo.UX.MTF.armv7hl.rpm' not found on medium '
sledges(N9 zypper up just now)14:31
phaeronsledges: zypper ref14:32
sledgesso should i abort now?14:32
phaeronyeah it is still retrieving14:32
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sledgesDo you want to retry retrieval? Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i] (a) :D14:33
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phaeronwell it probably got rebuilt and the filename changed14:35
sledgesyou're right14:37
sledgesaborted all and refstarted :)14:37
sledgesphaeron, it started dowqnloading all packages again D:14:38
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sledgeswhy isn't caching working14:43
MSameertoo much headache to claim a most likely dead library14:43
MSameereasier to reimplement the algorithm :P14:43
sledges(clock's set to 1970.. :))14:43
phaeronsledges: new kernel should fix that14:44
phaeron+ new connman14:44
phaeronwell kernel will help before you have connectivity14:44
sledgesis there any smoke workaround for this now? can't wait another 2 hours of downloads14:44
phaeronset the clock :)14:44
sledgeswill help?14:45
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sledgesnot helping :D14:47
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phaeronhow do you know ? did you stop retrieving and start again ?14:51
sledgesand ntpdated in between14:51
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phaeronand date is correct now ?14:54
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phaeronI am not sure why it is clearing the cache though14:55
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sledgesold files still date 197014:57
sledgesif that's taken into account for whatever reasons14:57
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phaeronhmm yeah .. if server offers a file 40 years in the future it will definitely override15:03
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sledgesfor a laugh, will try to set all their dates via script to this morning, see if it helps15:08
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phaeronsledges: how is it going :D17:01
sledgeswill try later :)17:05
sledgesnow using again as my daily phone17:05
sledges(trying to get vouchers for orange wednesday for cinema tonight :))17:05
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phaeroncool you're already using it as that17:09
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7222 waiting for review at
sledgesrebooted back to harmattan17:23
sledgeshad I two N9s, one would surely be nemo on my 2ndary SIM card17:23
phaeronah ok :(17:25
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7222 Accepted promotion request17:33
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7223 waiting for review at
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7223 Accepted promotion request18:57
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faenilevening gentlemen and ma'ams20:58
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faenilspecial, ping23:28
specialfaenil: pong23:29
faenilspecial, do you have time to review the PR if I send it in in the next hour?23:29
faenilI mean, before your day ends23:30
specialnot sure23:30
specialthere are a couple more things I need to get done today23:30
faenilspecial, get ready for some dirty things :P23:32
faenilbut I finally got QML to behave as I wanted23:32
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specialgood if it's working, at least23:34
faeniloh it is :)23:39
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