Monday, 2012-11-05

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faenilgood evening :)00:15
faenilanyone alive?00:15
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romaxaw00t: ping06:01
* deztructor is deadly alive. morn06:01
romaxatesting now http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950/06:01
romaxaand everything is super slow, including desktop app menu scrolling...06:02
deztructorromaxa: i think w00t maybe is sleeping and appear 1-2hrs later06:02
Stskeepshe's on a plane, don't get your hopes up06:02
deztructorromaxa: try to reboot device, btw, look into dmesg06:02
romaxaok, it seems like helium was killing perf...06:09
deztructorromaxa: sometimes something wrong happens with pvr on boot and everything i slooow. only reboot helps in such cases06:10
romaxadeztructor: are you able to fix pvr issues? do you have harmattan video drivers sourceS?06:11
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deztructorromaxa: we have the same kernel as in harmattan. same issues with pvr was also on n900 when fremantle was released... at least i'll try to investigate if i meet it again. but can't promise anything because i know nothing about pvr fsm, registers and (most important) errata06:15
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romaxadeztructor: kernel is the same, but harmattan sgx drivers are not the same as on N9, N9 nokia image has "special" drivers with special features06:16
romaxalike lock extension06:17
deztructorromaxa: i assume they are closed ones?06:19
romaxadeztructor: they are all closed by default if I did not miss something06:20
romaxadeztructor: for example N900 does not have lock extension and without lock you are not able to render directly into texture memory06:20
Stskeepsromaxa: the sgx drivers on nemo for n9 are similar-ish to the n9 harmattan ones06:21
Stskeepsromaxa: there's a problem with usb that causes a massive slowdown06:21
Stskeepshttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49306:22
MerbotNemo bug 493 in N950-N9 "General phantom device slowness" [Normal,New]06:22
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deztructorStskeeps: but i am recalling there was also pvr issue, do not remember details...06:23
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Stskeepsyes, but that was a race condition06:26
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deztructorStskeeps: is it was fixed?06:31
Stskeepsyeah but maybe not in that image above06:31
romaxaStskeeps: where do I get armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc compiler?06:35
romaxaStskeeps: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Initialize_scratchbox2 - it mentioned here06:36
Stskeepsromaxa: cross-armv7hl-gcc package06:36
Stskeepsand cross-armv7hl-binutils06:36
Stskeepsin sdk06:36
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romaxaStskeeps: hope it will work with alien06:38
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Stskeepsmm, we haven't exactly tried to build it for outside mer, but that's a task we'll do in future06:38
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romaxaStskeeps: should I use nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1.tar.bz2  as devel SDK rootfs image? or there are some other development image available?06:57
Stskeepsyes, for now06:58
Stskeepswe're working on a more specialized rootfs image06:58
romaxaStskeeps: how to install devel packages into that rootfs? (me not familiar with zypper)06:58
romaxaStskeeps: I guess I should specify some repo for zypper and after that install dev packages like qt-dev et.c into target06:59
Stskeepsromaxa: the sdk-sb2 package lists how, it's pretty easy :)06:59
Stskeepssb2 -R -m sdk-install zypper install or something like that06:59
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romaxasb2  -R zypper refresh: No configuration file exists or could be parsed. * Augeas exception. No config read, sticking with defaults. Cant open /var/run/zypp.pid in mode07:03
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Stskeepsyes, -m sdk-insatll matters07:03
* Stskeeps needs more coffee07:03
romaxaStskeeps: probably I should install virtual image, because debian sb2 seems don't have required mappings07:04
Stskeepsyeah, we encourage people to use platform sdk as it contains all the things you need07:05
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Sage_o/07:30
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Venemo_N9good morning Everyone! :)07:38
cybetteVenemo_N9: good morning :)07:41
Venemo_N9hey cybette! long time no see. how're you nowadays? :)07:42
abustanyw00t: actually, the open space here is not *that* bad. I'd of course still prefer offices :)07:43
Stskeepsmorn Venemo_N907:44
Venemo_N9moo Stskeeps :)07:44
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cybetteVenemo_N9: good, busy, the usual :) Just had hackday + couple of performances over the weekend so still slightly exhausted & not quite awake right now :P07:52
cybetteVenemo_N9: and you?07:52
Venemo_N9cybette, I'm quite fine. a boring project will begin soon, so my usual enthusiasm is steadily diminishing07:55
Venemo_N9cybette, but other than that, things are okay07:55
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Venemo_N9anyway, ttyl08:12
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w00tdeztructor: not sleeping, travelling ^^09:31
deztructorw00t: already arrived?09:31
w00tyes09:31
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Sage_http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-05.2/images/ if anyone wants to help testing10:08
Sage_Stskeeps: ^10:08
Sage_I didn't try any of those yet so no idea about the functionality10:09
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faenilgood morning! :)10:21
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panjgoorihello11:29
panjgoorianyone online ?11:30
tadzikyes11:30
panjgoorihi. im having a problem with nemo latest image (0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1).11:31
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panjgooriwhenever i try to boot into it, it gives me a error.11:31
panjgooriim using a N90011:31
tadzikwhat kind of error?11:32
panjgoorithis: Wrong image format for bootm command11:32
panjgooriand this: Error: can't get kernle image!11:32
panjgoori*kernal11:33
Sage_panjgoori: your dd to the sd card went badly I think11:36
panjgooridd ?11:37
panjgooriim using windows so i followed instructions as written in Nemo wiki11:37
Stskeepspanjgoori: did you unpack the image?11:37
panjgoori@stskeeps: yes.]11:38
panjgooriand one more thing im using standard u-boot not Pali's one11:38
panjgooriI extracted it using Winrar and then changed its extension to img as written in wiki and then wrote it to wiki by using win32diskimager11:39
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panjgoorisorry wrote it to *sd11:42
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Venemo_N9hey11:44
phaeronVenemo_N9: heyt11:45
Stskeepslo Venemo_N911:45
phaeron-t11:45
Venemo_N9faenil, ping11:48
faenilVenemo_N9: yo11:49
Venemo_N9faenil, you asked me to ping you about irc-chatter11:49
faenilVenemo_N9: yeah ;) link=11:49
faenil?11:49
panjgooriany solution for my problem ?11:51
Venemo_N9http://venemo.fedorapeople.org/harmattan11:51
Venemo_N9panjgoori, what's the problem?11:51
faenilVenemo_N9: do you want me to test it on Harm or Nemo?11:52
faeniloh just seen it's harm package11:52
faenilnvm11:52
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Venemo_N9faenil, I don't have a nemo package but you can of course build for nemo if you want to11:53
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Sage_so hows everything here?12:15
Sage_2 weeks more or less gone and it seems that one day isn't enough for syncing everything that has happened :P12:15
Sage_so much activity there, which is very nice.12:16
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phaeronSage_: I tried to keep things working :D12:24
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Sage_phaeron: you did very nice job in that. Just as I suspected :)12:24
M4rtinKupdating Nemo on my N900 right now :)12:25
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phaeronthere was some breakage when I finally made the  switch to user sessions , but hopefully it is working now12:26
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Sage_image builds seem ok at least some patterns/packages need updating for new package names but otherwise seemed ok12:33
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phaeronSage_: yeah I didn't go through to the release process , but worked on issues of everyone who upgraded13:06
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* w00t whips Sage_ 13:10
w00tsync faster13:10
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faenilSage_: welcome back!13:18
faenilit's been a long time!13:18
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Sage_faenil: yes it has been a while. Trying to get back to the vagon here :)13:24
faenilSage_: great :)13:25
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Sage_main blocker is the huge amount of mails :P13:25
rcg-workSage_, quick solution: "mark all read"13:25
rcg-work:D13:25
faenilSage_:  I can imagine! :D13:26
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rcg-workalso wb Sage_ :D13:33
rcg-workhope you enjoyed your vacation :)13:33
rcg-workeven without internet ;P13:33
faenilrcg-work: that's why he enjoyed it :)13:35
Sage_yes, vacation was nice. Now I can rest a bit while working ;)13:35
rcg-work:D13:36
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M4rtinKNemo update on N900 resulted with black screen on reboot :)14:33
M4rtinKI cans till ssh but nothing is shown on screen14:35
M4rtinKdmesg is full of applauncherd stacktraces & Xorg log is full of error14:36
M4rtinKshould I try to resurrect it or probably just flash a new image ? BTW, anyone interested in the logs ? :)14:36
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Stskeepshelp sage test http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-05.2/14:47
M4rtinKStskeeps: ok :)14:49
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Sage_ok, so sleeping hour so that headache goes away doesn't help as after you get back up the headache comes back :/16:36
* Sage_ thinks his head is still on vacation mode 16:36
faenilSage_: poor boy :)16:41
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iekkuvac..? what?16:51
Stskeepsiekku: probably like that mythical weekend we're hearing about16:52
iekkuStskeeps, might be!16:52
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rcg-workwee-what?16:59
rcg-workargh, shoulda have read one more line up before writing xD17:00
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Stskeepsqwazix: ever done any work on tablet-ish designs, out of curiousity?17:09
qwazixStskeeps, not much specifically for tablets, no, but i don't think it' so much different from mobile and desktop in the sense that I can't do it17:13
Stskeepsalright17:13
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* Stskeeps waits to board his flight to .fi17:15
qwazixwhat do you have in mind?17:15
Venemohey everyone17:15
Stskeepsevening Venemo17:15
Venemoevening Stskeeps17:15
Venemohey qwazix :)17:15
qwazixhi Venemo,17:15
Venemohow're you?17:15
Stskeepsqwazix: just generally pondering, we had some breakthrough on really using android device adaptations today, so checking what could be initiated17:15
qwazixVenemo, fine, resting after a busy day at work, you?17:16
Venemoqwazix, me too.17:16
Venemoalso, I'm making progress in the MongoDB online course17:16
VenemoStskeeps, really? what's new about it?17:17
StskeepsVenemo: openwebos guys got offscreen rendering working with us having control of the gpu buffers17:17
Stskeepsfree to share, etc17:17
qwazixStskeeps, wow! that's cool. I'm expecting to get a Nexus 7 next week (rumor has it it will be at last available to buy here) and first thing I'm gonna do is try booting nemo with the things canonical has done17:17
StskeepsVenemo: with libhybris17:18
VenemoStskeeps, nice, nice17:18
* Stskeeps glares17:18
Venemoqwazix, for the Nexus 7, not even libhybris is needed.17:18
Stskeepsjust saw a boy run back into a plane's gate without the entry people even remotely reacting17:18
Venemolol17:18
qwazixVenemo, I know, that's why I'm drooling over it. But I can't find one to buy grr.17:18
Venemoqwazix, isn't it sold in your area?17:19
StskeepsVenemo: i'm willing to bet that even ubuntu will hit the nasty issue of power management..17:19
VenemoStskeeps, what do you mean?17:19
Stskeepsthough i'm unsure how good nvidia's adaptation is in that area17:19
Stskeeps.. kiddo lost his ipad17:19
Stskeeps(...)17:19
StskeepsVenemo: as in there will be some factor that'll likely require them to be using the android adaptation for full usage of the device17:20
qwazixVenemo, no, and after that ubuntu announcement the few hilariously overpriced ones in some online stores disappeard in hours. I'm thinking of ebay as a last resort, but rumour has it it will come officially in the 12th so I'm waiting17:20
VenemoI see17:20
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Venemowell, it's sold here. but somehow, the price is approx. doubled by the time it got here...17:21
VenemoStskeeps, according to some people, nvidia's hw adaptation is quite okay.17:22
qwazixIs the intel tablet UX source available? I find lots of articles announcing the opening of the code but I can't find the source anywhere.17:22
StskeepsVenemo: it is, but correct PM is a beast :P17:23
Stskeepsqwazix: it is but artwork is badly licensed17:23
Venemoqwazix, afaik this was it: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux17:23
Stskeepsqwazix: so you'd have to remake the entire artwork17:23
Stskeepsalso, it has it's own set of components, not all meego compatible17:23
Stskeeps(yes, i'll let that irony set in)17:23
Venemoqwazix, but it's so dead now that it'd be better to just start over from scratch. shouldn't be hard with what we have now anyway17:24
Stskeepsyeah, lipstick solves a hell lot of problems17:24
qwazixTrue but that one had some pretty good ideas we can copy17:24
Venemoyeah17:24
Venemoindeed :)17:25
qwazixand IIRC some apps we could use (mail, calendar)17:25
Venemohm17:25
specialI don't know that you'd want to17:25
Venemonot sure how complete they was + they'd look out of place on Nemo17:26
specialI was not very impressed with what I saw, and as Stskeeps said, they don't use meego components at all.17:26
specialwe have some backend for email at https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugins/tree/master/email17:26
Stskeepsthat said, they did show that it's entirely possible to get a sane ui up in little time17:26
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Stskeepswith not so skilled developers17:26
Venemospecial, is there also an open source email client on top of that?17:28
specialVenemo: I don't think there's a UI for it yet.17:28
Stskeepswasn't there qmlmail?17:28
Stskeepsor whatever w00t was toying with17:28
Venemomhmm17:28
specialhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmail "a month ago"17:28
VenemoStskeeps, btw, some interesting reading here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus717:28
Stskeepshave to board plane, talk to you guys later17:29
Venemofly well!17:29
qwazixhahaha found an old video I made with the tablet UX and some astroturfer thought he should mention it's laggy and to put win8 on it...17:29
qwazixStskeeps, have a nice flight17:29
Venemoqwazix, do you prefer gtalk or private messages on irc?17:34
faenilhave a nice flight Stskeeps!17:34
qwazixVenemo, I'm okay with both17:34
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kulveStskeeps: If you have more details on those PM issues, I would like to hear about them :)18:16
kulveI think the PM should be in a quite good state.18:17
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w00tyes, there's qmlmail18:43
w00tthe missing piece is accounts UI to configure it, but there's some work on github ongoing on that too i think18:44
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Venemow00t, does it support exchange?18:46
Venemokulve, on Tegra, you mean?18:47
M4rtinKStskeeps: looks like the 20111101 image is working fine on my N90018:47
w00tVenemo: if someone writes a nonencumbered exchange QMF plugin, it would18:47
Venemow00t, QMF=?18:47
M4rtinKonly got some glitches with the lockscreen image blocking part of the launcher in portrait18:48
M4rtinKif the device is unlocked in landscape and then rotated to portrait18:48
Venemoyes, known bug18:48
M4rtinKalso the lock slider seems no to work from time to time18:49
w00thttp://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2009/09/21/introducing-qmf-an-advanced-mobile-messaging-framework/18:50
Venemoah.18:51
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* Venemo is too tired to even yawn19:12
M4rtinKalso the virtual keyboard in xterm stays on even if the N900 keyboard is open19:14
M4rtinKand panning the output doesn't work19:15
M4rtinKand the virtual keyboard has no terminal toolbar but reacts to swiping that should switch between toolbars19:16
M4rtinKand in the connection settings, the top bar in the page is partially blocked by the global status bar19:18
w00tplease file bugs to bugzilla (and even better, submit patches to go with them :-p)19:18
M4rtinKok :)19:18
M4rtinKI'm just floating it here first to see if some of it is already known :)19:18
w00tI can tell you where to look for closing vkb when opening the keyboard, if you're interested into looking into that19:18
VenemoM4rtinK, please file one bug report per bug19:18
M4rtinKok19:18
Venemojust sayin because it's pretty annoying when someone puts 1-2 bugs + 2-3 feature requests into the same bug report19:18
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M4rtinKit shares credentials with the wiki - nice ! :)19:32
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Stskeepskulve: more along lines that a given device will have it's best and matching PM implementation with wakelocks and android style power management, but i'm doing guesswork here at PM implementation's priorities19:39
Stskeepsand it's typical that the gles implementations for normal linux don't use those..19:40
VenemoStskeeps, is there a way to query the dpi in runtime?19:40
Stskeepsif i'm not right, i'm happy to accept defeat :P19:40
StskeepsVenemo: sometimes the display chips know19:40
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VenemoStskeeps, please explain to me the difference between the two pm styles?19:42
StskeepsVenemo: nokia style is (from what i recall) more about granular shutdown of components, letting the kernel decide what's best, etc19:43
Stskeepswhereas android pm is very broad, ie, display off may take a bunch along, no in between states of suspend19:44
Venemoah19:44
Venemoso nokia is who does the right thing then19:44
Stskeepsthe verdict seems to be that nokia's dead from knockout and it's more an academic argument now19:45
Stskeeps:P19:45
Venemotheir style of power management still sounds superior19:45
Stskeepsthere was quite good results from nokia pm but it was also slightly harder to do19:45
Stskeepswhich doesn't help time to market and chipset availability19:46
Venemomhm19:46
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Venemointerestingly, I didn't hear any news about nexus 7 battery life with ubuntu, even though I googled for it19:46
Stskeepsthat's always an interesting statistic19:47
Stskeepsi've given up personally and my future stacks will use wakelocks instead19:47
Stskeepsand see what we can do to make it bearable anyway19:47
Venemohm19:47
Venemoso wakelock means... apps shut down when I lock the screen?19:47
Venemoor what?19:48
Stskeepsit depends really, but even in suspend to ram, you can wake up once in a while19:48
kulveStskeeps: well, hopefully we'll see soon.19:48
Stskeepskulve: yup, didn't mean to offend btw19:48
kulveStskeeps: I understand your point well19:48
Stskeepskulve, btw, i forget, were you helsinki based?19:49
kulveStskeeps: yes19:49
M4rtinKso what about for example SSH ?19:49
M4rtinKif the daemon has no wakelock19:49
Stskeepsah, i'm here until friday morning19:49
Venemokulve, what are you working on btw?19:49
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kulveI think in general there has to be a way for wifi chip to wake up the cpu, when there's data from the wlan19:50
StskeepsM4rtinK: you can wake up on events19:50
ajalkaneI sure hope the power saving benefits of wakelock approach in that case are more than academic interest in that case...19:50
kulveVenemo: I'm trying to get mer/nemo working on a tegra19:50
M4rtinKhmm, that should handle this case19:50
Venemokulve, I think vgrade used to deal with that19:50
kulveVenemo: yeah, tegra2 based. I've packaged the latest tegra3 release19:51
* Stskeeps needs to ask collegaues to explain wakelocks better to him..19:51
VenemoStskeeps, does jolla device also use wake locks?19:51
M4rtinKso lets have an app that eats 100% CPU bud doesn't have wakelock - the system will prevent it from draining power if the device is locked ?19:52
Venemokulve, ahh. are you working on nexus 7 adaptation too?19:52
StskeepsVenemo: can't answer that, sorry19:52
kulveVenemo: I hoping to. Currently I'm using a reference board19:52
Venemokulve, is ubuntu's adaptation any help to you?19:52
StskeepsVenemo: need to be able to discuss system trends, i muck about with a lot of experiments which may or may not me work related :)19:53
kulveVenemo: not really. The nvidia's release seem to have everything needed19:53
Venemokulve, for the reference board, ok, but how about nexus 7 specific drivers and stuff?19:53
VenemoStskeeps, okay :)19:53
Stskeepsyeah, linux for tegra is one of the better ones around19:54
kulveVenemo: I think the tegra based binaries are the same. The difference is in the bootloaders/kernel and pheripherals19:54
VenemoStskeeps, jolla seems to be a bunch which strives to do things the right way, so I'd expect nokia style from them19:54
kulveVenemo: and now that you mentioned it. I could start by taking the ubuntu's kernel for nexus 7 and not the google's..19:54
Venemokulve, yes, that's what I mean19:55
StskeepsVenemo: as a general thing, there's the right way and then there's the commercially feasible way..19:55
ajalkaneBut anyway, as much as I dislike wakelocks vs. what Nokia did with the kernel, it also reminds me of many other tech problems like Ethernet vs. Token Ring etc... meaning ofthen simplicity is the winning approach in the long run19:55
kulveubuntu seemed to have most of the pheripherals working, so it should be possible to get them working in mer as well. BT/GPS, orientation sensors, etc19:55
StskeepsVenemo: that said, wakelocks aren't as general as i make it seem19:56
Stskeepsif done right, they can be ok19:56
kulveandroid doesn't support running multiple apps as well as e.g. meego did. That makes saving power much easier19:56
Venemokulve, BT and some other stuff isn't working yet with ubuntu afaik, but most of the hw works19:56
Stskeepsit's all about policy19:56
kulveVenemo: BT is working on the driver level. Just the ubuntu support is missing. And that would be different in mer anyway19:56
Venemokulve, true19:57
Venemokulve, all right then, I'm crossing my fingers for you19:57
M4rtinKbtw are wakelocks already in mainline ?19:57
kulveVenemo: the tricky part is the 3d/video rendering and that's already working19:57
Venemokulve, awesome19:58
kulveI quite confident that the nexus 7 could be a really nice board for mer/nemo. Now the nemo just needs some good looking simple qml apps for the main use cases :)19:58
Venemokulve, yeah, we're also working on the home screen :) and the apps19:58
kulveStskeeps: btw, what's the status of multitouch support nowadays in X.Org/Qt?19:58
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rcgkulve, do you know if they managed to get 3d hw-accel and suspend play nicely together?19:59
w00tkulve: upstream, or in mer?19:59
Stskeepskulve, qt is custom patched for us to work ok with xinput219:59
Stskeepsthough w00t'd know19:59
kulvew00t: well, both. Maybe mer is more interesting for me now20:00
kulvercg: does nemo suspend in any situation?20:00
Stskeepskulve, we have fine mt on exopc, n9 and seen on random android devs too20:00
Stskeepsso :P20:00
rcgkulve, nemo doesn't but plasma active does20:01
VenemoMer's X11+Qt works with multitouch20:01
Venemoeven on Nemo20:01
w00tkulve: Qt 4 has no X11 MT upstream, we have a custom patch which uses XI2.0 events and provides multiple touchpoints20:01
rcgand considering that a tablet usually draws more power and thus has less run time on battery, imho, a tablet should be able to suspend20:01
Stskeepskulve, you may need to match it in mtev xorg conf20:01
Stskeepsthe ts20:01
Stskeepsand it might work oob20:02
kulveI guess nexus 7 would be nice device for plasma active as well? Is there a maintained stuff for mer/plasma active?20:02
w00tI think Qt 5 has XI2 MT support upstream, but I haven't checked recently20:02
rcgkulve, "maintained stuff"?20:02
rcgthere is pretty much active development on plasma active, if that's what you mean20:02
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Venemothere is pretty much active development on plasma active, but its pretty crappy still.20:03
kulvercg: I guess I meant the working up-to-date kickstart files etc20:03
M4rtinKBTW, I've seen Fedora running on exopc with Gnome Shell yesterday :)20:03
rcgkulve, the basyskom images for archos g9 are built weekly from .ks20:03
rcgVenemo, but it really improved a lot in the meantime20:04
kulvercg: I think last time I checked I could find just some already obsoleted files. I'll try again at some point20:04
rcgi still wouldn't consider it usable for an end user but there's lots of progress imho20:04
kulveStskeeps: does the mtev expect something special from kernel's evdev interface? I think I'm now using the Xorg's evdev driver and not the mtev..20:04
Venemorcg, it's been some time since I last checked. for a while I tried it regularly (while I still had an S10-3t) but stopped caring after it didn't get any better20:05
kulvercg: well, none of the mer stuff is usable for end user :)20:05
Stskeepskulve: give it a shot and it'll prolly work20:05
rcgkulve, i built a plasma active image via the mer sdk about two weeks ago20:05
Stskeepsxorg-x11-drv-mtev20:05
kulveStskeeps: and is there something to test the multitouch? E.g. does the browser support pinch zoom? :)20:05
Stskeepsit might20:05
Stskeepsor gallery20:05
Venemokulve, just launch Puzzle Master20:06
rcgVenemo, i actually carry around a g9 with plasma active on a daily basis now.. and for email and a little browsing it is quite good20:06
Stskeepshomescreen used to but now we use lipstick20:06
rcgeven 3g works :)20:06
Venemorcg, really? that sounds nicer.20:06
Venemokulve, if you can rotate the puzzle pieces with multitouch, then it works20:06
kulvercg: I'll try to do some testing when I get the basic stuff working on a nexus 7.. (might take couple of weeks). I'll bother you with more questions then :)20:06
rcgVenemo, iirc you read my blog post about nemo apps on plasma active?20:07
Venemorcg, I did, yes20:07
kulveVenemo: actually, when I last tried it, I couldn't move them at all. Just the OK/Quit/etc buttons reacted to touch..20:07
Venemokulve, then something was not okay with touch events there20:07
rcgVenemo, right, then you see that also nemo apps run fairly well, like twimgo or kasvopus20:07
rcgkulve, http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/deployment/archos-gen9/tablet/mer/testing/20:07
kulveVenemo: maybe it assumes the mtev driver and not the evdev..?20:07
kulvercg: excellent, thanks20:08
rcgthere you get the latest stuff.. including .ks20:08
Venemokulve, it just uses what Qt uses. the app doesn't assume anything by itself20:08
rcgyw :)20:08
kulveVenemo: I'll try that too again later20:08
rcgbtw. Venemo do you have a build of the latest irc chatter somewhere on obs?20:09
kulveI just need to get my hands on one n7..20:09
Venemorcg, I still haven't a clue about how to use obs :(20:09
kulveif somebody does something with the n7/mer, let me know :)20:09
Venemobut I have a harmattan package20:09
Venemonah, I haven't been able to invest in a nexus 7 yet20:10
rcgVenemo, do you have a link to the sources? might try to update the package in obs then20:10
Venemosure20:10
Venemorcg, https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter20:10
Venemorcg, note that it uses submodules20:10
Venemoyou will have to pull those too, or use --recursive when cloning20:11
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rcgVenemo, i see, thanks for the heads up :)20:12
kulveStskeeps: you picked a nice weather to visit here.. :)20:14
Venemorcg, also, there've been some bugs fixed in master since the last tagged release, but for stability reasons, it's best to use the latest tagged release20:14
rcgVenemo, i see20:15
rcgif i just download the tarball are the submodules included there?20:15
VenemoI dunno20:15
Venemojust git clone --recursive, then git checkout20:16
rcgalright, i'll give it a try20:16
Venemothank you20:16
Venemoif you find any bugs, let me know :)20:16
rcgwell, thank me if i get a package done :)20:17
rcgsometimes it's very much straight forward and sometimes i struggle over the smallest things ;)20:18
Venemorcg, oh, also, you may be able to reuse the spec file from the previous package in obs20:18
rcgVenemo, that's what i'm trying to do20:18
Venemook20:18
VenemoI'll just shut up20:18
Venemo:P20:18
rcgalready cloned it to a private project and checking it out20:18
rcg;)20:18
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Venemo:)20:20
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Venemoanyway, bbl20:22
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rcgwell, for the record, the tarball does not seem to include the submodules20:28
M4rtinKbugs filled :)20:31
rcgalright, the build succeeded :)20:33
M4rtinKis it possible that rsync is not in the default repositories ?20:36
M4rtinKoh, its in Mer:Tools20:37
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7296 Rejected promotion request20:47
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7297 Rejected promotion request20:51
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7298 Rejected promotion request20:57
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rcgman am i blind... missing the year21:00
rcgbeen checking the thing all the time and didn't notice the year is missing xD21:01
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7299 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/729921:09
rcgfinally ;)21:10
phaerongood job :)21:10
w00t\o/21:11
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phaeronVenemo: why is it not possible to close server messages tab anymore21:18
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M4rtinKgot modRana running on Nemo: http://imgur.com/a/dPubo :)21:20
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Sage_rcg: does that version fix any bugs? If it does would be good to mention those in .changes file21:32
Venemophaeron, it was a bug to be able to close it in the first place21:33
rcgSage_, uhm, to be honest, i don't know, i had an issue with it on plasma active but that's not documented as a bug21:34
phaeronVenemo: it's annoying , it should be possible to close the server messages tab21:34
Venemophaeron, closing it resulted in buggy behaviour21:34
rcgVenemo, does irc-chatter solve any bugs filled in mer/nemo bugzilla?21:34
Venemorcg, yes, I marked the relevant ones as fixed21:34
rcggreat :)21:34
rcgSage_, should we mention these in the changes file?21:35
phaeronVenemo: :/21:35
Venemophaeron, firstly, there were some implementation bugs with closing it21:35
Venemophaeron, and also, in other IRC clients, closing the server tab means disconnecting from the server21:35
Venemophaeron, so the past behaviour of irc-chatter was kinda inconsistent for someone accustomed to any other client21:36
phaeronnot true in , in pidgin you close it fine without disconnecting. The  server name is also quite long and takes up most of the side bar space21:36
phaeronso if I connect to a couple of servers all channel names are off the screen21:36
Venemophaeron, all right :)21:36
phaeronand I have to scroll21:36
phaeron:(21:37
Venemophaeron, maybe there could be a setting to show/hide them?21:37
phaeronthat would be  great as they are of no real value :)21:37
Venemowell21:37
Venemoif you connect to a server without autojoining any channels21:37
Venemowhere would you write your first /join otherwise?21:37
phaeronmmmk , hide on first channel join21:38
Venemook21:38
phaeronso autojoin can follow same behavior too21:38
Venemowould such a toggleable setting suffice for you?21:38
Venemo"hide server tab after 1st join"21:38
phaeronwell I use irc-chatter heavily and it was the first thing I noticed in this new version ;)21:39
Venemo:)21:39
phaeronnot sure about others but it would be quite useful21:39
Venemoall right21:40
phaeronThanks :)21:40
Venemoadded it to the top of my todo list21:40
Venemobtw, if the server tab is hidden, how do you distinguish between multiple servers?21:40
Venemothere should be a separator between them21:40
Venemoalso, in the old versions if you closed the server tab, there was no way to bring it back, ever21:41
phaeronI know what channels are on what server. eitherway what matters is channel name21:41
phaeronI assume it would come back if server sent message21:42
Venemohm21:42
Venemomaybe it would21:42
phaeronbut I have no use for it so I don't want it to stick around :)21:42
Venemotrue, it can clutter up the UI21:42
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Venemophaeron, thanks for bringing this to my attention, I admit that I didn't give much thought to it, I just wanted to fix the inconsistent behaviour21:44
phaeronI heard you talking about reconnecting behavior, but I haven't tested that yet. It was annoying when connection drops and irc-chatter blocked view of the channels with the "reconnecting" dialog21:44
Venemoyep21:44
Venemoalso, if it failed to reconnect, there was no way of telling whether you're connected or not21:44
phaeronVenemo: no problem , happy to bring user perspective to the table :)21:44
phaeronyes that too21:45
Venemoright now it still blocks the channel view, but it's less annoying and you can tell on a per-channel basis whether you're connected or not21:45
Venemophaeron, if you can give some testing to this feature, I'd be happy to hear your opinion about it21:46
phaeronok will do now21:46
Venemooh21:46
Venemothe released version has a slight bug. when you disconnect your connection it'll say "connecting" even though it's not doing anything. this is fixed in master and it just says "not connected"21:47
Venemoalso, it is unfortunately no longer able to pop up the connection dialog... :( there was some bug with QNetworkSession which screwed up the reconnection, so I decided to throw it out21:48
Venemoit's better to have something that works21:49
phaeronright now disconnected the network and it greyed out the channels "You are diconnected from this IRC server. Please establish a network connection to reconnect .."21:49
Venemoif the app attempted to connect after the QNetworkSession was connected, it got a SocketAccessError21:49
phaeronand the text field is disconnected21:49
phaeronand disabled21:50
Venemophaeron, yep, that's a different message, that's OK21:50
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phaeronthis is better than before21:50
phaeronthought I would appreciate if it is still possible to scroll and read the channels21:50
Venemophaeron, do you think the text should be scrollable while it's disconnected?21:50
Venemoah21:50
phaeron:D21:50
Venemook21:50
phaeronvery useful when I connect briefly to get buffered backlog from an IRC bouncer and want to read it later21:51
Venemoshould I remove the grayout and the message and the busyindicator?21:51
phaeronso not causing the platform connection dialog to repeatedly popup is much better21:51
Venemoor just present them in a better manner maybe21:52
phaeronIMHO it should just check if there is connection , and if there is connect , otherwise stay out of the way. Maybe a red banner at the top saying disconnected. Trying in 60 .. 59 .. seconds21:53
phaeronor something like that21:53
phaeronand disabled text field is great21:53
Venemook21:53
phaeronso I don't chat with /dev/null21:53
Venemoyup21:53
Venemothat was very annoying21:53
Venemoalso, how do you like the new start screen?21:53
Stskeepsphaeron: /dev/null.. is that one of our new guys?21:53
Stskeeps;)21:53
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Venemolol Stskeeps21:54
phaeron:D21:54
phaeronVenemo: quite pretty :D21:54
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Venemo_N9hey21:54
Venemophaeron, it received a little facelift. it also has a nicer ui when no servers are set up yet21:55
phaeronyes good job there, no complaints :)21:55
Venemophaeron, and I've removed the "Connecting, please wait..." page entirely, since it didn't make any sense anyway21:55
phaeronnow it is Inline in the chat view , right ?21:56
Venemoconnection status is now handled in a per-server basis and displayed on a per-channel basis21:56
phaeronyes I noticed thattoo21:56
w00tis it in nemo yet?21:56
phaeronolder version in nemo , we are discussing the new SR above21:56
Venemomhm21:56
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Venemophaeron, are you testing on Nemo or on Harmattan?21:58
phaeronnemo21:59
phaeronthough I will upgrade the one on my other device too21:59
phaeronharmattan21:59
M4rtinKlooks like I have a working GTK build for Nemo: http://imgur.com/a/5bjkg :D22:00
M4rtinKthat's modRana with the GTK UI running on Nemo without issues :)22:00
phaeronnice :)22:01
phaeronthough a QT ui would fit better22:01
M4rtinKI have that too (http://imgur.com/a/dPubo) :)22:02
M4rtinKnot that full featured as the GTK GUI the the moment though22:03
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Venemophaeron, hm. if you switch between different network connections, the behaviour is still odd22:05
Venemophaeron, when I switch to 3G from wifi, it doesn't appear to be disconnected, but the messages are sent to /dev/null22:06
Venemophaeron, after that when I switch back to wifi, seems that the socket is still open22:06
Venemohow is that even possible???22:06
phaeronI only have wifi on the nemo device22:06
VenemoI mean, how can the socket remain open?22:07
phaerondoesn't timeout maybe ..22:09
Venemowhen changing connections, would it be the right thing to disconnect and reconnect then?22:10
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phaeronnot sure .. I guess for TCP connections if the source address changes you need to reestablish the connection22:12
StskeepsVenemo: unlike windows, linux doesn't terminate connections on link down22:12
Stskeepsyou can set that as a sysctl though22:13
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VenemoStskeeps, but how can the socket be open if there is no connection?22:14
StskeepsVenemo: tcp works in mysterious ways22:14
Venemosrsly, this area of Qt is very crappy22:15
VenemoI'm now trying to listen to QNetworkConfigurationManager::configurationChanged22:16
Venemothe flags which the returned object has are non-documented22:16
Venemohow awful is that22:16
Venemoor maybe I'm doing it wrong?22:16
VenemoQFlags(0x2|0x4|0x8) - 0x4 and 0x8 are not documented22:17
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alien_Venemo: looks like the connection is kept alive just in case your link was just temporarily down and it might recover itself...which IMHO is a nice to have feature22:25
Venemoalien_, yeah, nice22:26
alien_I don't know how this is impacting battery life when on mobile...22:26
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faenil-.- just discovered I've been offline for the last 2 hours because webchat disconnected without warning me23:30
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wmarone_xchat!23:32
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Venemofaenil, use IRC Chatter23:33
faenilVenemo: yeah ;)23:34
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faenilspecial: :P23:39
Venemodafuq23:39
VenemoI've been doing this whole thing wrong23:39
rcgnight23:41
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