Tuesday, 2013-02-19

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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8114 Rejected promotion request04:01
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rcgM4rtinK, jfyi, "re-flashing" the latest rootfs tarball solved the issue09:32
rcgand morning all btw :)09:32
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M4rtinKrcg: good :)10:01
M4rtinKforgot to restart yesterday after the update10:01
M4rtinKI'll do it now10:01
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M4rtinKso i've also got the rectangle10:03
M4rtinKafter reboot following the yesterdays update10:03
M4rtinKon my N95010:04
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rcghmm interesting10:12
rcgwell, at least re-flashing solves that10:13
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sledgesrcg, which 3D (horse morph etc) testing app did you use on N7?10:21
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rcghey sledges :)10:28
rcgglmark2 something10:29
rcgjust a sec10:29
sledgesthank you rcg10:36
sledgesrcg what's your score? ;)10:40
sledges26 here10:40
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rcgsledges, "glmark2 Score: 159"11:12
rcgon a freshly booted n711:12
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sledgesvery niice ;)11:16
sledgesfullscreen? kde in the background?11:16
rcgwindowed, plasma active in background11:17
rcgessentially the same way it was displayed in the video i uploaded recently11:17
sledgesand to us @fosdem ;)11:17
rcgyep :D11:17
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* sledges will try glmark on n9, too11:25
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sledgesafter updating nemo today (108 packages!!!) , SMS arrival tweets a ringtone, too! \o/ :)11:43
Aardyou all update with big delay :p11:43
sledgesjust silly that an unknown contact is named (Unnamed) , and not shown its phone number11:43
sledgesso I had to guess, if it was my fianceé or someone else... (she wrote ambiguously :))11:44
sledgesAard, it was on top of nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20130218.0.1.NEMO.2013-02-15, so 4 days old11:44
Aardsledges: just write 'not now, I don't want my fiancee to find out about you', and you'll know soon if it was her :)11:45
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sledgescould someone add this link to the topic please: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status/Matrix12:21
sledges(I just added here instead: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Status should suffice for now)12:23
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8119 Rejected promotion request13:21
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8120 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/812013:22
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sledgesso, faenil , I add photos/videos to my home dir13:28
sledgesbut it still says ~"no resources found"13:28
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sledgesthat's not on N9, but on Pandaboard btw13:28
faenilsledges, I remember that problem was introduced recently13:28
sledgeswhere does qmlviewer get info on media?13:28
sledgesnono, on N9 all works fine :P13:29
faenilI just DocumentGallery...nothing I can do about that :P13:29
sledgesdoes it get it from tracker ?13:29
faenilI guess so13:29
sledgeswhat do you mean DocumentGallery ?13:29
faenilI just use Qt's DocumentGallery13:29
faenilit's a QML element13:29
sledgesI see13:29
sledgesand does your video player use gstreamer ?13:29
faenilsledges, the video player is QML Video element13:29
faeniland yes, I guess backend is gstreamer13:30
sledgesI wonder how it figures out best plugins and pipeline to use13:30
faeniljust read Qt's code :)13:30
* sledges zZzZ :)))13:31
sledgeswell, thanks for this much. it will keep me going :)13:31
faenilnp :)13:31
faenilI don't remember much13:31
faenilI work on the gallery from time to time...13:31
faenilI haven't touched it in the last 2 months13:32
faenilanyway, I hope you're using latest version from git13:32
sledgesI'm using whatever is coming with nemo..13:32
faenilbecause the released version is much older13:32
sledgeshope it is good :) anyway, works fine on n913:32
faenilalright, so it's the one built in September xD13:32
faenilthere are lots of commits since released version13:33
faenilsledges, I warmly recommend to recompile code from git, if you're planning to change something in qmlgallery :)13:35
sledgesif I'll change, I'll surely use latest. for now I just need to make it play video on pandaboard :) probably no changes will be needed13:36
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faenilanyway, I repeat, I started having problems with the gallery after Mer updates few months ago13:37
faenilbut have never investigated yet13:37
sledgesoh ok, if I bump into those problems, will give it a go13:37
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8121 Rejected promotion request13:38
faenilsledges, well you already bumped into those problems :P it doesn't recognize video/pictures :)13:38
sledgesit does, on N913:39
sledgesso when I'll get down to why it doesn't on pandaboard, probably it will be this same issue, or maybe not ;)13:39
faenilsledges, oh :/ I seemed to recall I had the same problem on my n95013:41
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sledgesfound new bug: nemo on N9 doesn't shutdown until you plug usb cable out ;)13:53
M4rtinKrcg: I have just done another update13:54
M4rtinKand the rectangle bug still presists13:54
M4rtinKI've also noticed the black are doesn't respond to touch events13:55
* sledges 's never seen a black phantom rectangle on N9, after all updates today13:56
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rcgM4rtinK, yeah13:57
rcgi could only solve it by re-flashing with the latest image13:57
rcghaven't done an update with that image yet, though13:57
M4rtinKI probably wait a bit to see if an update fixes it :)13:58
M4rtinKor maybe to help debug it ? :)13:58
sledgesrcg, marble-touch says: qrc:/MarbleWindow.qml:12:1: module "org.kde.edu.marble" is not installed13:59
sledgeswhat did I forget?13:59
sledges/usr/lib/marble/plugins/org/kde/edu/marble/ exists and is full of files14:00
M4rtinKis /usr/lib/marble/plugins/ in the QML import path ?14:00
sledgeswhere is QML import path defined?14:01
sledgesright.. QML_IMPORT_PATH :)14:01
* sledges doh!14:01
M4rtinKI think you can also set it from Qt14:01
M4rtinK& IIRC it also searches some default folders14:02
sledgesworks: QML_IMPORT_PATH=/usr/lib/marble/plugins DISPLAY=:0 marble-touch14:03
sledgesbut does not respond to mouse clicks :(14:03
M4rtinKcongrats! :)14:03
M4rtinK:( :D14:03
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8122 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/812214:04
M4rtinKBTW, you can try modRana when you are at it: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SystemDownloadEN#InstallationpackageforNemoMobile :)14:04
M4rtinKthe QML GUI is still a bit basic though :)14:04
rcgsledges, latest version?14:05
rcgtry marble-touch.sh14:05
sledgesrcg, M4rtinK it works after relaunch, false alarm (?;))14:05
rcgah, you already found it :)14:05
sledgesbut all is very slow :{14:05
rcgmarble-touch.sh essentially does QML_IMPORT_PATH=$QML_IMPORT_PATH:/usr/lib/marble/plugins DISPLAY=:0 marble-touch14:06
rcgwithout the DISPLAY ;)14:06
sledgesoh lol :)14:06
M4rtinKI think it draws the spherical earth in a widget with a QML overlay14:06
rcgsledges, hmm i see.. was it faster before?14:06
sledgesthe non-touch version is fater14:06
sledgesbut is run in a small window14:06
sledgestrying without Nemo UX now..14:07
rcghmm i see14:07
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rcgmarble --smallscreen -style windows14:08
rcgsledges, ^14:08
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rcgthat _should_ give you the non touch version in fullscreen14:08
sledges(not forgetting that I'm running it on a pandaboard via HDMI 1280x1024, but clearly something is not GL accelerated still..14:09
rcgsledges, try with prepending QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=opengl14:09
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sledgesrcg, won't work14:11
sledgesmarble --smallscreen -style windows looks same small14:11
sledgesgives ~40 fps then14:11
sledgestried --highresolution --nosmallscreen - no changes14:12
sledgesprobably pb is just too slow for full blown fullscreen rendering14:13
sledgeswill try on n9, too ;)14:14
rcgsledges, well, even on nexus7 i wasn't too happy about the performance14:21
sledgeshmmmm, so they forgot to use qt quick 2 (or whichever qml is opengl accelled within)14:21
pvuorelahmh, is there some any practice how to create git snapshots for packages?14:23
w00tpvuorela: I have a script for it14:23
sledges:) hackory whoops14:23
pvuorelatried this for maliit-plugins, new tar ball, version increased a bit with git postfix - https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/812014:23
pvuorelathen on 8121 for maliit-framework the bossbot decided that it gets a bit different result on generated .spec file.14:24
w00tuse SetupOptions in the yaml14:25
pvuorelaw00t: like explicitly SetupOptions: -q -n %{name}-0.81.414:32
w00tpvuorela: yeah14:32
w00tor you might want to use another macro14:32
w00tdepending on how grumpy Sage gets with you repeating the version string14:33
pvuorelai'll try this. it's not exactly the same version on tar ball directory and the resulting rpm package.14:34
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sledgeslbt had a very precise understanding of OBS packages' versioning14:37
sledgeslbt, months ago I asked you - what's the deal with VErsion:2.2614:38
sledgesVersion:2.6.32 Release:1 Changes: .... - 2.6.32-8-114:38
sledgesI didn't know we also span git hashsums in version strings: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/812114:39
* lbt is totally confused :)14:39
sledgesthe current question is: is this elegant: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/812114:40
sledges(to reduce confusion: I gave 2.6.32 as an example of a hyphotetical package, with a version out of the blue)14:40
lbtthe problem is that the spec has been edited where the yaml controls it14:41
sledgesyes, and we're about to solve it with 'SetupOptions: -q -n %{name}-0.81.4'14:41
sledgesis it ok to use git hashsums in a version string?14:41
lbt"is it elegant"14:41
lbtno, use gitpkg14:41
sledgesthere we are, pvuorela ;)14:42
lbtare version numbers sufficient for the uses we abuse them for ... no, you get issues like this a lot14:42
lbtis this a reasonable approach - well, it was used in meego and I think it's used elsewhere ... so it's probably fine14:43
lbtwe do support ~ now14:43
lbtso that may be useful14:43
pvuorelaok, so can i take it that i just continue now with the SetupOptions? :)14:44
* sledges sniffs (and agrees to) Sage's thoughts about redundancy (version strings repeating)14:44
sledgeswhat are the reasons not to use gitpkg (e.g. in this case) ?14:45
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pvuorelajust the need to figure out how that works.14:47
pvuorelai.e. laziness.14:47
* sledges wonder if gitpkg will also start injecting ~git1.hashsum into version strings :)14:48
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lbtgitpkg is low level - and we need to discuss with Sage before using it for Nemo things14:52
sledgesok pvuorela sorry for my paranoia, keep calm and carry on :D14:54
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8123 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/812314:55
pvuorelai did.14:55
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sledgeslbt, here's one for you: linux kernel from TI: base kernel version: 3.4.27 (from ./Makefile) , TI's version: 3.4.0-1489.22 . How could I make up OBS Version/Release strings ?15:04
lbtwe can't handle people lying :)15:05
lbtyou just set Version to 3.4.015:05
sledgesit's just their versioning scheme..15:05
lbtand Release to 1489.2215:05
lbtbut the 3.4.27 is lost15:06
lbtyou may even consider this to be Version :
lbtand release 1,2,315:06
sledgeswhat about (.spec file): Version:    3.4.27   Release:    1489.22 (will be dropped during obs build anyhow)   and then: Source0:    linux-ti-omap4_3.4.0-1489.22.tar.gz15:06
lbtwhere release would include our patchset over the TI release15:07
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lbtOBS doesn't drop Release15:07
lbtprojects can be configured to drop Release15:07
lbtand most are15:07
lbtMer:Tools is not for example15:07
lbtwe retain Release and append CI.BI15:07
sledgesvery useful link, thanks15:10
lbtRelease is defined as SPEC_REL (ie the value in the spec file).CI.B15:10
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sledgesdidn't think N9 would do only 18 FPS on [desktop] effect=shadow:windows=4 (glmark2-es2)15:45
sledgesbut performed lightning fast on the ideas-in-motion test15:45
sledges(22FPS steady, looked awesome)15:46
sledges(the 18FPS test looked poorly, is the one where tuxes are mixing in transparent windows)15:46
sledgesyup, rcg , not overly impressed with marble-touch performance on N9 either. roads of work ahead ;)15:52
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rcgsledges, aye16:03
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rcgvolunteers: step ahead :D16:03
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8124 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/812416:21
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Sagelbt: sledges: the using some git packaging in nemo is plans yes. But I've been so busy in the past month that haven't had time to ghink it more. I should get some free time after 2 weeks or so.16:26
Sagesledges: btw, good work on the status matxrix that is something we have been missing fro a long time.16:26
Sagesledges: things missing are: vibra, proximity sensor, nfc, keyboard slider sensor what ever it is called :)16:28
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faenilthp, hey :) great to see yoou started contributing to Nemo :)16:38
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Sagepvuorela: w00t: i think the maliit version should be 0.81.4+git1.sha or so16:45
Sage0.81.4 < 0.81.4+git1 iirc.16:46
lbtSage: I did some work on gitpkg with w00t - I have some feedback and will make some mods 'rsn'16:46
Sagepvuorela: doing without tag is not good imo.16:47
pvuorelaSage: would have liked to have just .4~git (or .4+git) but that appeared to be lower from rpm point of view.16:49
pvuoreladid that initially.16:49
Sagepvuorela: really... hmmp... it could be also 0.81.5~git1 which should be smaller than 0.81.516:50
pvuorelai think it goes to somewhat undefined territory so .90 is in that sense somewhat safer.16:51
Sagethat is the only definition but that isn't complete as we are having this discussion :)16:51
thpfaenil: :)16:52
pvuorelahmh, i used rpmdev-vercmp from fedora so that might have had some impact if there are meego/mer/nemo specific rpm changes.16:53
pvuorelaas is mentioned for ~.16:54
Sagewe don't have vercmp packaged in mer or mer:tools?16:55
SageI can't find it at least16:56
pvuorelanot finding mentioned rpmdevtools.16:59
pvuorelaSage: ok, so, one more iteration as .4+git1(.sha?)?17:05
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Sagepvuorela: hmmp...17:06
Sagesec will try how that version works in reality17:07
Sage        package test-packages-1+git1-1.i586 (which is newer than test-packages-1-1.i586) is already installed17:09
Sageyup, so +git1 makes it newer in Mer17:10
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pvuorelahow about the sha?17:12
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Sage+git1.sha should be ok. Though the X in +gitX.sha was originally meant as commits since tag 0.81.417:13
Sageso it should be like +git4.sha or so17:14
Sageso in theory sha isn't needed there but I would recommend adding it just to be sure :)17:15
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sledgescheers Sage , matrix updated with your suggestions17:20
Sagesledges: sure about the vibra? ;)17:20
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* sledges calling himself17:21
Sageif I'm not mistaken it worked already once on N950 at least17:21
sledgesworks ;D yes, I vaguely remember that working for n9 as well, but I thought it was just a distant dream :D17:22
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sledgeshow did you do that? i thought libmeegofeedback is closed source17:26
sledgessame way: would haptic keyboard feedback be possible again?17:26
* sledges harmattan's typewriter effect is still the winner among all haptic feedbacks i've ever tried :)17:26
w00tthere is some code from jolla which would give us the capability for haptics, plan is to open it, once I figure out where to put it17:27
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8125 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/812517:35
Sagesledges: you need to thank jolla about that really. They have fixed huge amount of the bugs in middleware and configs in nemo and Mer.17:35
pvuorelaanother try for maliit there ^17:36
sledgesI truly thank for fixing bugs, but I'm even more ecstatic about the fact that they are bringing forward some of the closed harmattan support to nemo \o/ utmost victory (still pondering then whether I should start reverse engineering gps)17:40
sledges(it was the next item after -urgent- items on TODO list :))17:41
Sagepvuorela: looks good will check it later today when I get home. Train arriving to station soon17:44
pvuorelaSage: thanks.17:45
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sledgesSage, it was alterego who fixed vibra ;)18:03
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sledgesby commenting out one line?... https://github.com/nemomobile/voicecall/commit/f7b06fde1b00fc7ffffb829d0588262fb0f80a86 :) gotta love programmers :))18:12
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Aardsledges: we did some changes to ngf. if no media properites are defined, all media sources configured for an event will play. if there are media properties configured only the selected media properties will play -> voicecall only selected media.audio, therefore only playing audio18:14
Aard(before we did the changes you explicitely needed to select sources you want to play, but that's silly behaviour)18:14
sledgesso the same audio file is played out via vibra, too ?18:15
sledgesmakes sense, I recall harmattan trying to play nokia tune ringtone via vibra, when vibra-only mode is on :) (filtering out low frequencies)18:16
Aardno, in ngf you configure events of different types, including definition what will be played there18:16
sledgesok, things are clearer, thank you Aard18:16
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Aardsledges: and harmattan didn't try to play nokia tune via vibra, for a selection of shipped ringtones they had vibra algorithms tuned to match the ringtone18:17
sledgeslast thing I am pondering is: I remember someone pointint to the closed-source libmeegotouch-*.so files to bring them over from harmattan to nemo, if one wants vibra/haptic18:17
sledgesright, that confirms my other guess Aard :)18:17
Aardthat's only highlevel library accessing the vibra hardware, for interactive use18:18
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Aardngf is for non-interactive use, for interactive use we did an implementation of the qt feedback api, which will be opensourced at some point18:18
sledgesah, so no need to looking back into libmeegofeedback bits18:19
Aardno, depending on what you want to do it's ngf (if you don't care about latency, though it's quite good), or qt feedback api18:19
sledgeshardware-wise, is keypress haptics working via other clicker than vibrator?18:20
sledgesas you physically feel there's a key-button inside, quite über-impressive :)18:20
sledgeslike magnet+metal-strip clicking :)18:21
Aardone change to harmattan is: they used the immersion player (libimmvibe), while we use ffmemless (and did an ffmemless-backend for ngf)18:21
Aardthat effect is just a very well synchronized combination of sound playback and vibra effect18:21
sledgesthanks, driving home now18:23
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sledgeswonder if sounds is still emitted to simhkatetypewriter in harmattan, in silent profiles (key typing doeas sound silenter)18:57
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8123 Rejected promotion request20:02
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8120 Rejected promotion request20:02
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8122 Accepted promotion request20:04
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Sagepvuorela: accepted20:10
bennypr0faneHello, I'm glad to see there are already 2 February releases of Nemo! I'd like to know when the last changes to Helium were made in Nemo. There is a port for Maemo5/N900, so if there are updates to Helium, we'd like to make them available on the Maemo repos.20:11
pvuorelaSage: yay.20:12
bennypr0fanechecking the date of last Helium version on Maemo Extras-devel....20:14
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7488 Rejected promotion request20:15
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bennypr0faneAccording to this page, latest Maemo version of Helium based on Nemo build is form Sept. 2012 http://maemo.org/packages/view/heliummobilebrowser/20:21
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bennypr0faneIs there a similar page with version history for Helium Reborn? If this one is up to date, last changes to Helium were made 5 months ago? https://github.com/nemomobile/heliumreborn20:27
Stskeepscan try to poke veskuh when he's awake20:27
bennypr0faneis he the maintainer of Helium? Ayn idea when wopuld be a good time to catch him?20:29
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Stskeepsdaytime i think20:30
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bennypr0fanedaytime where?20:31
bennypr0fanewell 9:30 pm could count as daytime for the Fins I guess..20:33
bennypr0faneoh wait, I think they're not Middle european time20:33
bennypr0faneIs it correct that latest snapshot of Nemo is 19th February?20:34
bennypr0faneno, 15th20:35
bennypr0faneis what this page says: http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/    ...cause in that case, the wiki is way out of date: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status   - unless of course "releases" in the Wiki are not the same as"snapshots"20:37
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8125 Accepted promotion request20:38
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w00tbennypr0fane: github is the canonical resource20:56
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bennypr0fanew00t: ...meaning that you would deem informations found there the most reliable, yes?20:59
w00tbennypr0fane: yes20:59
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8126 Rejected promotion request21:54
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8127 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/812722:19
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8127 Accepted promotion request22:52
lbtMSameer: ^^22:58
Aardthat's phaeron ^^22:59
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