Sunday, 2014-01-19

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wazdSunday everyone! http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6498778/crazy-finnish-music-video08:09
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situIs there an explanation of whole architecture of nemomobile on wiki ?09:00
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stephgsitu: probably not, only thing I can think of is the Jolla arch with Nemo in it, but that's probably not low level enough for you :(09:14
Stskeepsyeah, sailfishos.org ones should be good09:15
situOk, let me check it09:15
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tbrthere were also those blog posts09:22
tbrby that brazilian(?) guy09:23
sledgesargentinian09:24
sledgesm\orning09:24
Stskeepsmorn tbr, sledges, situ09:24
stephgI'm having breakfast!09:24
stephg(I thought you'd like to know)09:24
Stskeepsand stephg09:24
Stskeeps:P09:24
situMorning09:25
sledgeshttp://xavinux.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/nemo-mobile-structure.html09:25
stephgoh yeah xavinux, whatever happened to him09:25
sledgesgood memory tbr !09:25
tbr:)09:25
sledgesstephg: he is around, fixed a bug on bugzilla recently ;)09:25
sledgesaround as much as he can09:25
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* tbr also just found that post on mer planet09:26
stephgof course, just occurred to me he's not been around much lately09:26
tbrhttp://planet.devaamo.fi/mer/09:26
sledgesnot nemo planet? :}09:29
stephgooh http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/18/ntt_docomo_puts_tizen_on_hold/09:29
Stskeepssurprise, surprise09:29
stephgyup09:30
tbrsledges: http://planet.devaamo.fi/nemo/ is there too09:30
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tbrsledges: still looking for good sailfish (platform) and jolla (company/devices) blogs for those planets09:30
sledgestbr: can't see xavinux there :/09:31
tbrhmm, weird09:31
* sledges just put link to planet on Nemo wiki ;)09:31
Stskeepsanybody here going to MWC, btw09:31
Stskeeps?09:31
tbrhighly unlikely, I'm not part of our sales-droid army09:32
Stskeepsthat sounds more like a blessing than a curse09:32
Stskeeps:P09:32
sledgesgood09:32
tbrindeed it is09:32
Stskeepsheh, nice @ jolla booth placement09:32
tbralthough in the jolla context I wouldn't have minded an official sales role, but that's a different can of worms09:32
Stskeepshttp://www.mwcfloorplans.com/public/floorplanpdf.aspx?showid=3000&viewid=2309:33
tbrlooks like you'll get most of visitor traffic, nice09:34
stephgcool09:34
stephgyeah09:34
sledgesand in front of ntt docomo :D09:34
sledgessales lead right there!09:35
wazdassault! :)09:35
tbroh, Archos is there too09:35
sledgesah the plasma-friendly Gs09:35
tbryeah, haven't played with their most recent stuff after they switched away from OMAP though09:36
wazdWhat's up with Huawei I wonder, didn't think they have THAT much to show :)09:36
stephgyeah not sure they're big enough09:36
wazdbut, maybe you need that much space to showcase modern 21" smartphones09:37
Stskeepsheh, intel, samsung, tizen association and canonical in same hall09:40
wazdSomebody tell NTT to ship their awesome clamshells to the rest of the world please :)09:40
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stephgcanonical are there? didn't see them09:43
stephgStskeeps: you should be walking around with a tshirt that says "It's ok, you can thank me later" or some such ;)09:44
situBig space to Huawei ?09:44
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Stskeepsstephg: fk_lx: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mwcvillagemap.pdf09:47
stephgaaah09:48
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wazdImagine Nemo on that thing: http://j-phone.ru/Tests/nec/docomo/n05e/black/106.jpg :)10:01
tbrhmmm, one half as a keyboard if necessary...10:02
wazdyep, it works like that10:02
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wazdhttp://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/qwerty.png10:03
stephglooks much bigger in the j-phone pic than it does in the one with the hands10:04
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wazdit has the size of 4.3" smartphone, 12mm thick10:05
wazdSo I guess almost the same as Jolla phone10:05
faenilmorning o/10:09
sledges\o10:13
wazdheya10:13
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faenilwazd, can you comment on my complaints about header spec?10:29
faenilbecause I'd like to work on it, and avoid doing work which will be scratched off right afterwards :)10:29
wazdfaenil: what exactly are your complaints? :D I'm sorry, I'm still not used to follow current development process everywhere :) Where should I look?10:32
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faenilwazd, there's channel log in the topic msg ;910:32
faenil;)10:32
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faeniloops :D10:33
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faenilwazd, just noticed that all my msgs to qwazix yesterday didn't get to the web :(10:40
wazdwelll, yeah, I guess that's why I'm confused right now :D10:40
faenilso, wazd qwazix I think the header spec is overcomplicated, it handles too many cases and too many usecases, which should be left to the "hacker" if he really even wants speedbump levels in landscape10:40
wazdYou know the way to make a person feel super stupid, don't you :D10:40
faenilwazd, ahah :D10:41
faenilsorry :p10:41
wazdWell, in my opinion Header should act just like a header and Tabs10:42
wazdwith parallax and sht, you know :D10:42
wazdcause Android solution with making header do all kinds of things is quite a complicated one10:43
wazdThey have so many tiny hidden functions in it, it's a goddamn mess10:43
wazdMy opinion is that user should always be introduced to everything interactive on a page. UI is not a Full Throttle game (or Monkey Island), you don't force user to pixelhunt the screen in order to find secret areas or valves, or knobs10:45
wazdBB10 UI is a great example for "how not to do things10:45
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faenilhow not? bb10 is very cool..10:47
wazdMany users have that complain bout Sailfish btw. Although "pulley" menus are fancy, but  confusing10:47
wazdfaenil: well, they have 4 types of menus in there10:47
wazdfaenil: Or maybe even 510:47
faenilthe header drawer is one of the main features of glacier imho10:48
faenilif you feel like discussing that, then I'll stop doing whatever I wanted to do and wait for you and qwazix to sort it out ;)10:48
wazdNo, I'm not interrupting any development for christ sake :D10:49
wazdIt's just my opinion on the matter, that's all10:49
faenilwazd, it's not a problem for me :) I just want graphics guys to their job10:50
faeniland that's you + qwazix + Morpog_Mobile, afair10:50
wazdI'm doing fancy clock according to current guidelines :10:51
wazd:)10:51
wazdThat's all :)10:51
faenilso, discuss and decide, once you agree, pass your work to devs (me, sledges, locusf, Sfiet, etc)10:51
faenilwazd, but it's good to discuss with qwazix if you don't like some stuff, make it better together10:52
faenilwazd, I don't like silencing people :D people have to have voice :p10:52
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wazdNow that's the problem. When 2 different people have two completely different visions on some matter, then there should be some kind of "art director" to judge otherwise we'll be stuck in one place forever. Qwazix + Morpog have their own way with solid reasons to follow it, I'd rather help with "dirty" work of doing mechanical stuff for you guys to be occupied at last :)10:55
wazdCause I have solid reasons and tons of experience for my way of thinking, and we'll end up arguing forever :D10:56
qwazixmorn!10:56
wazdSo right now I consider qwazix and morpog as "heads" of UI department and I'm just a "worker ant" :D10:57
wazdheya :)10:57
qwazixfaenil, I didn't get your previous questions either so it wasn't only the bot that didn't get them10:57
faenilqwazix, yeah I wsas on train with jolla and 3g was coming and going10:57
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qwazixdidn't we agree to leave the landscape speedbumps out though?10:58
faenilwazd, sure, people have different opinions in design, I'd just would like to see those to be as close as possible, not just "we're different, accept it"10:58
faenilqwazix, I think so, but you said spec is updated, I read it again, and they're still there :p10:59
qwazix"<qwazix> faenil, I think the header spec is pretty-much complete, the only thing we decided to leave out were the speedbumps in landscape mode"10:59
faenilqwazix, oh, I never read that :/11:00
qwazixI'll remove them asap11:00
faenilqwazix, so I guess also the vertical settings in landscape are removed11:00
faenili.e layout is same as in portrait11:00
qwazixyep, they don't serve any purpose11:00
faenilqwazix, ok, good11:01
faenilwazd, any opinion?11:01
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wazdwhat exactly speedbumps are in terms of UI? :)11:03
faenilanimations that brings you to a certain level of the drawer, afaik11:03
faenillike when you release a page halfway in a transition11:04
wazdoh, ok11:04
faenilwazd, the drawer menu will do the same, we all agree it's better with speedbumps, I think :)11:05
faenilbut you have many levels, which are dev customizable11:05
faenilso when the user opens the drawer, when he releases his finger, the drawer will animated to the closer "level" top11:05
qwazixwazd, imagine the sailfish pulley but being able to leave it open at several stages11:05
qwazixfaenil said it better than me11:06
qwazix:)11:06
faenilwhere stage could be more than one item :)11:06
faenilqwazix, :)11:06
wazdwe call it "closer" in here :)11:06
faenilbut I think qwazix's pic shows it better than all of it11:06
faenilwazd, ?11:07
wazdlike, you know, slider closer mechanisms and stuff :)11:07
faenilin a slider?11:07
wazdlike, a phone formfactor :)11:07
faenilsliders usually don't have those kind of animations :/11:07
wazdor a clamshell11:07
faenilah... ok11:07
faenilyeah11:07
faenilwazd, you really don't want to talk eh? :p ok.... :D11:16
wazdqwazix: I have a question. Do you have time to make a quick mockup of Header behavior applied to the real app?11:17
wazdfaenil: nope, I'm trying to figure things out :D11:17
faenil:D11:17
qwazixwazd, which app?11:17
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wazdqwazix: any that will demonstrate the concept broadly11:17
qwazixwazd, ok11:18
wazdlets say "OneNote clone"11:19
wazdor anything you like11:19
wazdcause current demonstrations in that .pdf file look extremely messy imo. And one more question. Is it correct that in landscape mode there will be no header label?11:24
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locusfwazd: yeah I'm getting bored with no specs :)11:43
faenillocusf, no components left to implment? :O https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier11:44
Morpog_MobileHmm, i'm some trumpet worl will unbore you locusf11:45
Morpog_Mobilework11:45
Morpog_Mobile:D11:45
faenilD11:47
faenilbbl11:47
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locusfargh trumpet :D11:53
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situInteresting stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxOghD0A78k12:09
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faenilsitu, it would be interesting to know what it uses to recognize the items13:45
faenilthe rest is IR commands, afaiu13:46
situhmm13:46
wazdphotoshop :)13:46
faenilI mean, that's the only thing an air conditioner can understand13:46
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faenilunless there are wifi air conditioners nowadays13:46
wazdit's 201013:47
faenilyeah13:47
wazdi'm pretty sure that it is just a demo13:47
faenilwazd, mmm but then, what's the point of showing it to a conference, if you can't actually do it :/13:48
situWhat could be done to recognize items ?13:48
wazdfaenil: I don't know, tell it to any other manufacturer that shows non-functional prototypes :)13:48
faenilwazd, yeah but they know already it can't be done, they just didn't have time to do it, at least afaik13:49
faenilthey = manufacturers13:49
faenilit can* be done13:49
wazdEspecially at 3:00, she draws exat same circles according to accelerometer/gyro data13:49
wazdand just looks at different things13:49
situHave you guys read writings of Mark Weiser ?13:51
faenilnope13:51
situhttp://www.ubiq.com/hypertext/weiser/SciAmDraft3.html13:52
wazdI'm pretty sure that it's more realistic to control all these thing with your thoughts nowadays than like this :D13:52
faenilaahah13:53
wazdI mean really, it is :D13:53
wazdexcept for analog actions like "cursor moving"13:53
situor may be through voice13:54
situ:P13:54
faenilwazd, yeah I know, those tools you train to react on your actions are awesome :)13:54
wazdadd superhighres eye tracking to camera built into TV and voi la13:55
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faenilwazd, situ spend 10 minutes on this, it's worth it http://www.ted.com/talks/tan_le_a_headset_that_reads_your_brainwaves.html13:56
* situ starts watching13:56
wazdWe should just find Hopbeat somewhere, he's the guy that knows everything bout this stuff :D13:56
wazdhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqEfiy_nguY13:57
wazdfuture is now, guys :)13:57
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faenilwazd, it's the same scanner as my video?14:00
wazdprobably14:01
wazdboth EEG for sure so whatever :D14:01
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faenilwazd, yes it's the same, http://emotiv.com/14:06
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Mrichey, just wondering if someone has a recent video showing nemo running ?20:25
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sledgeshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKiGdIQraCQ20:47
sledgesnot much changed20:48
sledgesand Mric is like a wind :)20:48
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wazdThe username has to be between 5 and 15 characters long.21:37
wazdThat should be my slogan ffs21:37
faenilwazd, ? :D21:43
faenilwebsites against you? :D21:43
wazdI've tried to register at the OpenRepos21:43
wazdThat's kinda even worse21:44
wazdwhat's the god damned defference between 4 character username and bloody 5 character username?21:44
wazdMaybe I'm just a lousy designer that don't understand?21:45
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faenilcoderus, there's always stuff to code in Nemo if you're feeling sleepy :D22:21
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faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier22:26
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