Saturday, 2014-02-01

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fsck_youHey, how come "export TERM=xterm-256color" does nothing to me on nemo while other commands and aliases in .bashrc work?10:24
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faenilo/10:28
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veskuhfaenil: having fun at Fosdem?10:31
faenilyeah :)10:31
veskuhNo floods in Pisa can stop you :)10:32
faenil\o/10:32
faenilwe were lucky nothing happeened  in the end10:32
Morpog_have fun guys :) and tweet some infos from Jolla talks ;)10:32
faenilthey closed public offices, schools,and uni!10:32
ZogG-sailfishveskuh10:33
ZogG-sailfishsup10:33
ZogG-sailfishit's your port of tweetian on sailfish right?10:33
veskuhZogG-sailfish: yeah, and situ has done a lot too10:34
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ZogG-sailfish1st of all thanks10:34
ZogG-sailfishcan i give tips?10:34
veskuhSure10:34
ZogG-sailfishrequests i mean10:34
ZogG-sailfishveskuh: i would put something on tip10:34
ZogG-sailfishtop*10:35
ZogG-sailfishso pulley menu is akways there10:35
ZogG-sailfishso there is no need to go to all the top to tweet10:35
ZogG-sailfishmaybe even take out tweet button there.10:36
ZogG-sailfishand as well you can put actions under tweet after long press10:36
veskuhthat is coming10:36
ZogG-sailfishas now i need to go into tweet to reply/retweet10:36
veskuhso the long ta10:36
Morpog_ZogG-sailfish, see open issues ;)10:36
ZogG-sailfishawesome10:37
veskuhpulley menu change is more controversial.10:37
ZogG-sailfishMorpog_: ok10:37
ZogG-sailfishveskuh: what do you mean?10:37
veskuhIts a bit annoying if you need to start pulling from certain part of screen10:38
veskuhand if I only put small bar on top. hitting that is not so easy.10:38
veskuhso currently we have a shortcut to get on top by pressing the tab10:38
veskuhand we are considering adding the quick scroll indicators like Communi10:39
ZogG-sailfishyeah10:40
ZogG-sailfishi know10:40
ZogG-sailfishbut it still annoying as i need to jump to top but never can get back to same place i was before10:41
ZogG-sailfishi may read tweets10:41
ZogG-sailfishand in middle woukd want to tweet10:41
ZogG-sailfishafter that i want to continue reading10:42
Morpog_normally you anser or retweet in such a situation, or?10:42
Morpog_long press actions should help there10:42
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ZogG-sailfishi any client tweeter the writing new tweet is a fastest shortcuts of all10:43
ZogG-sailfishand it's coz mainly it's apps to tweet ;)10:43
veskuhZogG-sailfish: yeah, I see your point. Bad workaround would be to go to home and create new tweet from cover.10:44
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Morpog_i got a better idea!10:45
Morpog_add a pulley under the tabs10:45
ZogG-sailfishveskuh: yeah, but it's too long10:45
Morpog_with new tweet and go to top10:45
ZogG-sailfishMorpog_: can be nice actually10:45
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veskuhMorpog_: yeah, we can try that10:45
ZogG-sailfishi think pulleys should not be single way of menus system wide though10:46
Morpog_i open an isseu for tracking10:46
veskuhcool10:46
ZogG-sailfishas well yiu can add swipe right left for actions instead of switching views10:46
Morpog_nah, swithing views is great und the unique feature of tweetian on all platforms10:49
ZogG-sailfishto be fair i liked rocket more10:56
Morpog_rocket was great because of feed integration10:57
veskuhI never tried that. Hopefully somebody ports that too. More the merrier.10:58
ZogG-sailfishfew prople have access to code11:01
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ZogG-sailfishso maybe basil(from openrepos) would port11:05
ZogG-sailfishhe has access11:05
ZogG-sailfishi think he pushed updates to n9 version11:05
Morpog_I guess veskuh has enough work with tweetian :)11:05
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veskuhMorpog_: yeah, and I'd like to do google maps client and feedly client too, but too little time :)11:06
ZogG-sailfishMorpog_: oh, not meant instead11:06
ZogG-sailfishit's good to have few apps11:06
ZogG-sailfishalternatives are always good11:06
veskuhyep11:07
ZogG-sailfishas people's needs and tastes are differ11:07
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wazdheya people :)11:50
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filippzkrnlyng: ping12:14
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ZogG-sailfish\o12:59
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sledges\hoy/13:27
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sledgesRzR: nemo meetup after carsten's talk? :)13:38
sledgeslike last year13:39
sledgescan't see rcg, he didn't make it seems13:39
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tbrsledges: I think RzR has his talk after carsten, that's why I proposed the roundtable for 30min later.13:40
sledgestbr: rountable 19:30 rite?13:40
tbrsledges: 1630 round-table, 1930 community dinner13:41
sledgestbr: great stuff!13:41
sledgesbig thanks for organising btw13:41
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tbrthe latter is down-town at "À la Mort Subite"13:42
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tbr"To the sudden death"13:43
tbryes, their beers are that good. ;)13:43
sledges:D so i wasn't too off with translating this to lbt_away , you should have seen his face (food was the context though ;)13:44
wazdooh, can someone put Carsten a beer for me please? :D13:45
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alteregoI'll try13:46
wazdawesome :)13:46
sledgesyesterday he was refusing/doing the opposite :))13:46
alteregoYeah, apparently he wanted an "early" night or something.13:46
sledgeswill be sudden death tonight then, we'll take care of it wazd13:47
tbrmhrhr13:48
wazd\o/13:49
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alteregoAs long as we don't end up singing chumbawumba again I don't mind.13:51
sledgesxD "I don't remember"13:55
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alteregoJust because _you_ don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.14:01
sledgesstays in fosdem14:02
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alteregoHeh14:04
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Sfiet_Konstantingeez14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinyou guys are lucky14:50
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: will you "stream" the roundtable here ?14:50
ZogG-sailfishSfiet_Konstantin: hey14:50
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG-sailfish: ZogG ... Sailfish :D14:51
ZogG-sailfishSfiet_Konstantin: ?14:51
ZogG-sailfishit's client on jolla14:51
Sfiet_Konstantin:)14:51
Sfiet_KonstantinI know, just that you have your device now14:51
ZogG-sailfishyeah :\14:52
Sfiet_Konstantinnot totaly satisfied for what I have seen on twitter14:53
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ZogG-sailfishsame as i said before i got thr device14:54
ZogG-sailfishSfiet_Konstantin: u had mission 4 me14:55
ZogG-sailfishhaven't you?14:55
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG-sailfish: ah yeah :)14:56
Sfiet_Konstantinso, want an introduction to Nemo ?14:56
Sfiet_Konstantinor it is ok ?14:57
Sfiet_Konstantinis it14:57
ZogG-sailfishit is14:57
Sfiet_Konstantin:)14:58
Sfiet_Konstantindo you know a bit / a lot / not at all about QML / C++ ?14:58
ZogG-sailfishi have some14:59
ZogG-sailfishlittle bit14:59
ZogG-sailfishall of those ;)15:00
Sfiet_Konstantin:)15:00
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG-sailfish: do you have the sailfish SDK installed ?15:00
Sfiet_Konstantinsince you have a sailfish device it is a good "training" for QML and afterwards, C++15:01
ZogG-sailfishnope15:01
ZogG-sailfishi havr qtcreator15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinso 2 choices: either you can start building small apps in sailfish silica15:01
ZogG-sailfishhave*15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinor directly, you hack on nemo components15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinthe second might be quite tough if you don't have QML knowledge15:01
ZogG-sailfishi have littlr bit15:02
ZogG-sailfishreally not that much15:02
ZogG-sailfishbut that's the point15:02
ZogG-sailfishto learn15:02
Sfiet_Konstantinof course15:02
Sfiet_Konstantinso IMO, better practice with a "stable" SDK15:02
Sfiet_Konstantin(sailfish for example)15:02
Sfiet_Konstantinand then go on hacking the components themselves15:02
Sfiet_KonstantinI would recommand you to install sailfish SDK (if you manage to do it), and build a small app15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinfor example an RSS app15:03
ZogG-sailfishmeh15:03
Sfiet_Konstantindon't make it complicated, if you can display a RSS feed, it is ok15:03
Sfiet_Konstantin:D15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinlol15:03
Sfiet_Konstantindon't like RSS apps ?15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat do you like ? :D15:03
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ZogG-sailfishthe point not in buikding sailfish apps15:03
ZogG-sailfishi would like to support nemo15:04
artemmaZogG-sailfish: you don't have to use any Silica components, use just Rectangles15:04
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG-sailfish: the point is practice15:04
artemmaZogG-sailfish: Sailfish SDK makes just.. an integrated SDK + a device where to run stuff15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinalright, no sailfish ? then build an rss app with only Qt 5 and QtCreator15:05
Sfiet_Konstantin:p15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinmore painful, same result, pracice15:05
artemmaSailfish SDK is still better if you want to learn nemo as.. it has nemo stuff there :)15:05
artemmahmm..15:05
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Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: +115:05
Sfiet_Konstantinbut first, for some QML, he might be right, the Sailfish SDK is heavy, and for practicing QML you don't need it15:06
Sfiet_Konstantinsimple Qt 5 + QQC is enough15:06
* artemma thinks that if Sailfish is so close to nemo, could nemomobile project possibly make a single click installer for Nemo SDK. You know, just same as Sailfish, but without Sailfish packages15:06
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: can be done indeed. Just use mer SDK VBox as a basis15:06
Sfiet_Konstantinbut just need people to do it15:07
artemmayeah, I guess only real clients for nemo are Jolla ppl anyway15:07
artemmabeyond that it's few enthusiasts only15:07
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG-sailfish: your choice: the goal is to get your hands dirty, and practice some QML, that's all15:07
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: right now15:07
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: my dream is that nemo matures enough to be considered as an update path for N9(00)15:07
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: sure nemomobile would be a great base for the likes of HTC if they ever decide to break off Android15:08
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artemmaN9 people are dying. N900…. can we reall y talk of them beyond hard core fans?15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: N9 people are dying, maybe but N9 is a good phone15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinmy gf is still using it, and it lacks of some refresh15:09
Sfiet_Konstantinanyway, Nemo is also a lab15:09
Sfiet_Konstantinto see if you can make a fully oss phone15:09
Sfiet_Konstantinas a small community etc15:09
* artemma is sorry to admit he has two N9s lying in front of him not touched for a year at least. Browser was the most weak unacceptable point15:09
* Sfiet_Konstantin too15:09
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever gf likes N915:09
Sfiet_Konstantinsmall, practical, rather ok for daily use15:10
* artemma wishes all the luck to Nemo. Just think that it only has real future if you manage to sustain long enough for the interest of likes of HTC. Just like linux was, you know15:10
artemmaor maybe Jolla interest will be enough for survival15:10
YanielI was just going to say about that15:11
Yanielnemo has an existing "adaptation"15:11
* artemma has yet to see open source project with at least an OK UI/UX without a business behind it15:11
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: I have high hopes about Carsten's initiative about OSS + Jolla15:11
Yanielto show its potential in commercial things15:12
Sfiet_Konstantinin the etherpad I have raised the issue about Nemo ... Let's see how it goes15:12
Yanieland the UI/UX thing is probably the curse of OSS, since most people are just geeks who want to get stuff to work15:13
Yanieland the rest don't care enough to participate15:13
Sfiet_KonstantinYaniel: in Nemo there are nice UI designers15:13
Yanielgood for nemo15:14
Sfiet_Konstantin+ hackers caring about UI15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinyep15:14
Yanieljust saying that it does not usually go that way15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I have to admit that sometimes, our designers are making our life hard15:14
Yanielat least has not so far15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinyep15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinthis focus on ui is recent btw15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinand this is nice15:14
Yanielthere needs to be a balance in the focus between ui and backend15:15
* artemma hates when his Jolla freezes down every now and then. Hopefully Nemo will have some protection againt UI freeze on a system level15:15
YanielI at least value reliability & funcctionality very highly15:15
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: freezes ?15:15
ZogG_laptopha15:15
ZogG_laptopmy jolla hanged up15:16
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: freezes is not about anuything15:16
Sfiet_Konstantinit is about Qt15:16
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: :(15:16
ZogG_laptopwith app under main screen15:16
ZogG_laptopit's tweetian under15:16
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: haven't seen much after last update, so maybe it's better now. Before there were many clear points when phone was just reacting w-a-ay later15:16
artemmamost notably on every network reconnection it was freezing for a second or two15:16
artemmaand before last update it was reconnecting very-very often15:16
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: mind pinging some sailors about your bug15:17
Sfiet_KonstantinI remember about this15:17
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: yeah15:17
artemmawhat's particularly sad it was often trying to reconnect right after device unlock15:17
Sfiet_Konstantindon't know why network make ui freeze15:17
Sfiet_KonstantinI hope that the network bug will be fixed asap15:17
* artemma thinks even scrolling in Android apps (e.g. instagram) became more responsive since last update Will see if it's a fluctuation or real15:18
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: not gonna happen. they create bugtracker i would report bugs15:18
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: :D15:18
Sfiet_Konstantingeez15:18
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: go together15:18
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: there was an update of aliendalvik iirc15:19
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: 1st) not bug trackr15:19
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: yeah15:20
Sfiet_KonstantinI know15:20
ZogG_laptop2) ui saw they close thred without actual answer15:21
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Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: I'm not following together much these days: too much flood15:21
Sfiet_Konstantin:/15:21
ZogG_laptopthat's the 3rd15:21
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil @ fosdem: did the roundtable started / finished ?15:25
faenilstarting in 5mins ;)15:25
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: stream ? :D15:26
faenilno idea, probably not?15:26
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: :(15:26
Sfiet_Konstantinirc stream ?15:27
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krnlyngfilippz: pong17:33
ZogG-sailfishkrnlyng: sup17:39
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ZogG-sailfisheveryone is busy with #fosdem i see17:49
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ZogG-sailfishpiggz ;)17:54
ZogG-sailfishhowdy17:54
piggzlo ZogG-sailfish17:56
ZogG-sailfishlo?17:56
piggzmy sailfish is broken .. so im implementing android iap17:57
ZogG-sailfishlo you too17:57
ZogG-sailfishbroken how?17:57
piggzlo == 'ell' 'o' ;)17:57
ZogG-sailfishoh17:57
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piggzi updated to 10.3.8 and it is stuck in a reboot loop17:58
piggzhavnt had time to debug t yet17:58
ZogG-sailfishdid you try recover?17:58
piggztried nothing yet (this is n950)17:58
ZogG-sailfishoh18:06
ZogG-sailfishi got the device18:06
ZogG-sailfishthough i still have n950 with. i maybe should update it18:07
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krnlynghi ZogG-sailfish ^^18:14
ZogG-sailfishhello18:15
ZogG-sailfishwhat's new?18:15
ZogG-sailfishwhat ae u hacking now?18:15
krnlyngnot much here18:15
ZogG-sailfishare*18:16
krnlyngmupen64plus for sailfish18:16
ZogG-sailfish;)18:16
krnlyngand you?18:17
ZogG-sailfishI'm good18:20
ZogG-sailfishdoing nothing ;)18:20
wazdZogG_laptop o/18:24
wazdZogG-sailfish: hows your brand new phone? :)18:25
ZogG-sailfishwazd meh18:26
ZogG-sailfishnew toy, but not that exciting18:26
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ZogG_laptopwazd: so what about your plan?19:16
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krnlyngZogG_laptop: did you get yourself a jolla?19:21
ZogG_laptopkrnlyng: i was one of preordering in first  wave, why?19:23
krnlyng<ZogG-sailfish> new toy, but not that exciting19:23
ZogG_laptopyes i sai that19:24
krnlyngdon't you like it :O?19:25
ZogG_laptopi had excitment with n900 as first mobile linux computer that can calli was excited with n9 as of more enduser prove of concept of linux mobile system19:25
ZogG_laptophere is just an other platform19:25
ZogG_laptopwith different UI19:25
ZogG_laptopit i partly androidish in my opinion and UX is outsmarted. some places it should be simpler but more useful19:26
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gnugatHello! I just wanted to ask how free is Nemo? Does it have any proprietary blobs in the kernel? Etc. Thanks.20:12
Yanielnemo does not20:12
Yanielbut the underlying hw adaptation may20:13
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gnugatYaniel: What do you mean?20:17
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Yanielthat nemo is not the whole deal20:26
gnugatYaniel: You mean like how some builds of it might include nonfree firmware?20:26
Yanielnemo is just the middleware20:27
gnugatExplain20:27
Yanielhttp://merproject.org20:27
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Yanieland the availability of opensource drivers for SoCs is really bad20:28
gnugatSoC?20:28
Yanielsystem on chip20:29
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