Monday, 2015-01-26

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locusfmorning06:44
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deztructorspiiroin: basically we can establish suitable State set now because it was not used actively yet07:27
deztructorexcept states [charging, discharging, full, low]07:27
spiiroindeztructor: but it is currently emitting "unknown", right?07:27
spiiroinso for transitional period at least "unknown" == "" ?07:28
deztructorspiiroin: for upower provider I should check, it seems I did it now in the staging branch of the udev provider only, checking07:29
spiiroincat /run/state/namespaces/Battery/State07:29
spiiroinunknown07:29
deztructoryes, I checked code - unknown07:30
spiiroinso "unknown", "", or both?07:30
spiiroinI kind of like having it spelled out, i.e. "unknown" vs. need to know what it means ""07:31
deztructorspiiroin: maybe, I don't have any strong opinion. It looks like currently it uses "unknown" so we can stick to it07:33
spiiroinok07:33
spiiroinbut still need to handle unexpected values, now mce just keeps the previous recognized state ... assuming "unkown" & emitting warning might be better07:33
deztructorspiiroin: also we should handle "empty" state somehow, it is not reflected now anywhere07:33
deztructorbecause "empty" is needed by QBatteryInfo, now it decides what is it itself07:34
deztructorand this is quite wrong07:34
spiiroinso. both "" and "unknown" -> UNKNOWN (without spamming journal), values not found from the look up table -> still UNKNOWN but emit something to journal07:35
spiiroindoes that look sane?07:35
deztructorin provider I'll use environment var to get limits and also maybe dsme can use the same var (dunno how to keep the same env for all of 'em with systemd, need to check)07:35
deztructorspiiroin: it looks sane07:36
spiiroindeztructor: ok, I'll augment the pullreq07:36
deztructorspiiroin: so maybe we should also introduce also "empty"...07:37
* deztructor be out for ~1h now07:37
spiiroindeztructor: I thought "empty" is already in use. If it is bumped into, it is mapped to BATTERY_STATUS_EMPTY within mce.07:38
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faenilmorning08:44
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deztructorspiiroin_: you are right, I need to clarify again: I took values to be similar to ones used by upower. Basically in the low battery end we should have low and empty states, isn't it?09:42
deztructorI mean both states09:42
spiiroin_That would ok too. I kind of assumed that the reason for having a separate "low"property was used for signaling something  like "charging but still low"09:45
deztructorspiiroin_: or discharging but still low? :) like if device reaches the state when it is recommended to charge it asap it is "low", when device should be shutdown, it is "empty"09:46
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spiiroin_I was thinking more in terms of bme style "too low for bootup". at least n900 stopped mid boot even if charger was connected if battery was too low09:47
deztructorspiiroin_: currently dsme should make decisions based on the level. imo, it'd be good if it gets this limits from its source (statefs or whatever) and source has limits taken from the env var, so it can be tweaked09:48
deztructorspiiroin_: so, too low for bootup - "low" (and also when it reaches this state - recommended to connect to charger) and too low ("empty") to continue w/o charger09:49
spiiroin_that is just the legacy; dsme uses just level for policy decisions -> low/empty special cases for discharging are probably useless. or maybe ui uses the low state to trigger those "charge now" notifications?09:51
spiiroin_i.e. from my pov it does not hurt if low/empty shows up somehow -> I can map those to bme legacy states still used my mce; but even mce does not really use those for anything09:54
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deztructorspiiroin_: currently dsme uses levels but it can switch to use states, so understanding of events going to happen would be the same across the whole system09:58
spiiroin_deztructor: sure. if we plan for something like that then empty/low should be possible even when charging, or at least if charging can't provide enough current to actually charge (100mA usb1.1 for example)10:01
spiiroin_and possibly the low should be split into "generic low" & "too low for booting"10:02
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qwazixlocusf, ping10:03
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dr_gogeta86hi guys10:16
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locusfqwazix: pong10:25
qwazixhey10:25
qwazixhow is it going?10:26
Stskeepsmoo qwazix10:26
locusfhi10:26
Stskeepsqwazix: when are you in town?10:26
qwazixhey Stskeeps!10:26
Stskeepsin fosdem10:26
qwazixI'm flying friday10:26
Stskeepsok, landing when?10:26
qwazix(IIRC, lemme check)10:26
locusfit going good, screen lock is implemented and dialer has basic contacts capability10:27
qwazixyeah, friday evening10:27
Stskeepsoki10:27
qwazix20:40, but I can't see here if it's local time10:27
qwazixlocusf, does the widget gallery work?10:28
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Stskeepssee you at the bar then, perhap10:28
Stskeepss10:28
qwazixStskeeps, bar?10:28
locusfqwazix: widget gallery?10:28
Stskeepsqwazix: https://fosdem.org/2015/news/2015-01-23-beerevent/10:29
qwazixlocusf, the one that has all the controls10:30
qwazixdon't remember the name right now, sec10:30
locusfqwazix: ah sure that works10:30
qwazixhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3rznDuIMAAFYn0.jpg:large10:31
qwazixnext to terminal10:31
qwazixgood10:31
qwazixthe second part of the talk is about mobile UI that allows production instead of content consumption10:32
qwazixI will be showing a few UI's used in other platforms in the slides for apps like office etc.10:32
faenilhey qwazix o/10:33
qwazixand it would be nice if you could spend a minute showcasing the *header* component when showing off nemo10:33
qwazixhey faenil10:33
qwazixheard you'll come to fosdem10:33
faenilheader components reminds me of headaches xD10:33
locusfsure I can do it10:34
qwazixfaenil, worth the headaches IMO10:34
faenilgetting that to work decently was tricky :)10:34
qwazixlocusf, perfect10:34
faenilqwazix, great, glad to hear that10:34
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locusfthe header is integrated to the gallery, it doesn't have a separate gallery item like buttons and buttonrows do10:35
locusfbut I guess its not a problem10:35
qwazixlocusf, yeah but it's not a problem, no10:36
qwazixjust make sure to open a page that has both portrait and landscape10:36
* faenil should really get nemo running on my jolla, he cries looking at how slow the n950 is 10:36
faenilon his*10:37
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locusffaenil: full nemo or just homescreen + apps?10:38
faenilfull10:38
faeniland we should reall fix n950 :/ if we have someone with the time/knowledge10:39
locusfright okay10:39
faenilqwazix, so are you joining us at the beer event?10:39
qwazixI'll try. My flight lands 20:40 and I know nothing about brussels10:40
Stskeepsqwazix: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delirium+Caf%C3%A9/@50.8484555,4.3542827,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47c3c380bd49e851:0x359fdd52c21b1c4410:40
Stskeeps:P10:40
Stskeepsbut no clue where your hotel is - don't bring laptop10:40
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faenilqwazix, I can come get you ;) as long as your hotel is in the city centre :)10:41
qwazixStskeeps, thanks10:41
qwazixIt is, lemme find it10:41
faenilbit worried about my hostel, they haven't replied to my email yet, after 2 days :P10:42
dr_gogeta86faenil, I'm waitn' for  approval for friday10:42
faenildr_gogeta86, great10:42
qwazixfaenil, Stskeeps https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Delirium+Caf%C3%A9,+Brussels,+Belgium/Zoom+Hotel,+Rue+De+La+Concorde+59-61,+1000+Brussels,+Belgium/@50.8406689,4.3493856,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c3c380bd49e851:0x359fdd52c21b1c44!2m2!1d4.353875!2d50.848469!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c3c4897b9bc5d9:0x4e7d2e8a05a300cf!2m2!1d4.35987!2d50.832410:44
faenilmmm10:45
faenilit's like 20min fast walk10:45
Stskeepsor take the metro10:45
Stskeepsor bus10:46
faenilyeah probably better10:46
qwazixyeah, that's no issue10:47
qwazixthe issue is to arrive on time, get to the hotel unload, and still make it to the bar before you're all gone :P10:48
Stskeepsthat'll take a while10:48
Stskeeps:P10:48
faenil:D10:48
qwazixusually what time does everybody go home?10:49
faenildunno10:51
Stskeepspast midnight probably10:51
Stskeepsenough time to get sanely up in morning10:51
qwazixah, good. I should be able to make it then10:52
locusfI'll be at kabouki on coss.fi dinner nearby10:53
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qwazixI need a presentation-proof way to show video on the laptop from a camera. I thought I would use a phone but it might be best to just go buy a webcam10:53
faenilI'm sure there are tons of apps to do that10:54
qwazixfaenil, yeah but I fear they will depend on stable wifi10:54
faenilmm10:55
qwazixand it's rarely true in conferences10:55
faenilqwazix, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=usbwebcam.application&hl=it10:55
faenilfor instance10:55
faenildon't know what OS you're using atm thoug10:55
faenilh10:55
qwazixI got a spare android device with decent camera, no prob10:56
qwazixoops windows pc10:56
qwazixfaenil, I see that I can do streaming over usb networking, which is probably good enough10:58
faenil:)10:59
locusfI'll probably see you guys on saturday at lbt's talk10:59
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locusfor are you seeing that talk qwazix ?11:00
faenillocusf, awww11:01
qwazixlocusf, I haven't planned anything, so probably I'll be there yeah11:01
locusfthe bar is probably so croded that I can't fit in :)11:02
faenilgiucam, it has happened a few times already now, the android app is in portrait, but the gestures are landscape...known issue?11:02
giucamfaenil: uhm.. not to me11:02
faenilgiucam, ok, I got it a couple of time in the last 3 days, not sure how to reproduce it though11:02
faenillocusf, I'm sure we can find a solution! come on :)11:03
giucamfaenil: but hang on, do you mean the system gestures or all touch input?11:03
faenilgiucam, system gestures11:03
faenilI have the app in portrait but I have to swipe for the right to close it11:03
giucamfaenil: ok, and does turning the phone fix it?11:04
faenilyes, turning to landscape and then back to portrait fixes it11:05
qwazixfaenil, Stskeeps it's 8:40 not 20:40 so I'll definitely make it :)11:11
Stskeepsoh11:11
faenilqwazix, haha :)11:11
Stskeepswhat airport?11:11
qwazixCRL11:11
Stskeepsok11:12
faenilqwazix, crap, I land at 11 something, we could have met there11:12
qwazixfaenil, we can meet for coffee in the center11:12
faenilsure11:13
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locusfcoffee would work too, my hotel checkin is at 14.00 so I've got plenty of time to spend at the centre :)11:17
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locusfI mean I arrive at 9:20 or something11:18
Stskeepsah, we can probably meet up early then11:19
Stskeepshow do you get from airport to centre?11:19
qwazixno idea...11:19
Stskeepsif brussels airport, non-charleoi11:19
locusfI was thinking about the train11:20
locusfhmm maybe taxi would work better :p11:22
faenil:)11:22
faenilI checkin at 15, so.. :)11:22
qwazixlocusf, remember that printing press we were talking about? Did we find one?11:23
locusfqwazix: I remember that Nokius did find one but I gotta check out my twitter stream for it11:24
tbrlocusf: < Crofton> rumours of snow at FOSDEM11:24
Stskeepstbr: accuweather claims so too11:25
locusfshite11:25
qwazixlocusf, I remember the same thing but I can't see it in my twitter history, maybe you have better luck11:25
tbrlocusf: let's see what I see once I arrvie11:25
Stskeepsbut not necessarily friday11:25
Stskeepslocusf: we can probably meet up nearby gare de bruxelles central, a lot of stuff in reach from there11:26
Stskeepsit's foggy season here in warsaw so when exactly i land is a bit unclear11:26
locusfaaagh11:26
locusfI can't find it, I even checked tweettunnel or something11:27
locusfyeah all gone11:29
locusfStskeeps: sure I was planning on exiting the train there11:29
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faenilartemma, o/11:39
SK_workso better take waking shoes for fosdem ?11:43
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Stskeepsthe places get really slippery11:44
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kimmolifaenil: SK_work: https://together.jolla.com/question/39900/no-sound-through-speaker/?answer=62574#post-id-6257413:07
SK_workkimmoli: SW issue :D13:08
SK_worksomething related to gpodder it seems13:08
SK_workwill investigate13:08
kimmolisolderware yes13:08
faenilkimmoli, cool13:10
faenilso that speaker fits, at least we know13:11
faenil:)13:11
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kimmolifaenil: this was the reference i was looking for, but remembered it was on TMO13:12
faenilok13:12
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filippzfaenil: hey, did you manage to get WiFi working on N950 ?17:50
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faenilfilippz, haven't looked into it yet17:55
filippzah, ok I'm about to push kernel with CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT unset (fixes reboot instead of shutdown), and was thinking of including n950 support - I guess it's still to early then17:56
filippz^push it to obs, that is17:57
faenilfilippz, why? as long as it's better than what was there..17:59
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filippzI guess you are right about that :)18:00
filippzyou'll make a PR against my repo, or I'll just pull it in?18:00
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faenilfilippz, https://github.com/filippz/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9/pull/118:02
filippzI'll try to build it first and see if N9 boots with your changes, and merge this if it does18:03
faenilcool, thanks ;)18:04
filippzmaybe we'll poke locusf to make an image after that :)18:04
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faenil:)18:08
locusfokay :)18:09
locusfI'll take a look if I get to create one this week, it looks quite busy18:10
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faenilI can do that if you can't18:10
faenilwe'll sync tomorrow evening ;)18:11
filippzand if we could get sensorfw (Stskeeps) to be webhooked - that would be awesome since we have a couple of fixes there :)18:13
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filippzfaenil: did I just see it webhooked by you? You are not on obs user list for that project/package - how's that working?!18:17
faenilfilippz, I temporarily updated sensorfw in mer-core, though you have to ask lpotter to tag a new release, so that the changes file is updated as well18:17
faenilfilippz, I have temporary god powers :D18:18
filippzfaenil: nice, it will do just fine!18:18
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faenilbuild successful, I'm safe!18:22
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filippzfaenil: well it boots, and dmesg seems to be as usual - so I'll give it lgtm, but to be honest that whole board-rm680.c looks anything but good :/18:23
faenilfilippz, indeed18:24
faenilfilippz, is there anything we can do though? start splitting it? XD18:24
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filippzfaenil: lets keep our mouths shut, and probably no one will notice :)18:24
faenillol18:24
faenilwell it's not us who decided to do one big file18:25
filippzalso splitting would mean two separate packages, so it seems to be efficient solution, at least for now18:26
faenilyeah...though it's a mess18:26
faenilnah it wouldn't need two packages, just compile all18:27
faenil(which is what Nokia did with its kernel, I guess)18:28
faenilor did it have 2 kernels? I don't remember anymore :)18:28
faenilanyway, I've got to focus now :) bbl18:28
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