Wednesday, 2015-01-28

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locusfmoaning03:09
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OksanaMoin03:31
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IgorSKHello, everyone.07:42
IgorSKIs this guide https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image still valid?07:43
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faenilmorning09:28
faenilhow is it going peopleeeee09:28
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IgorSKTrying to build Wayland VM image according to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image10:06
IgorSKMade it to:    Error <creator>: Unable to find pattern: Nemo Complete Wayland10:06
IgorSKAny ideas how to proceed?10:06
faenilIgorSK, yeah patterns are not working anymore10:07
faenilsorry about that10:07
faenilyou need a new ks file10:07
faenilwithout pattern10:07
faenillocusf, do you have a VM ks for IgorSK ?10:07
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locusffaenil: yeah, I'll get one for him once I get back home10:33
locusfit just dosn't work10:33
IgorSKlocusf: thanks10:39
locusfIgorSK: you can't do much wth the image though10:41
IgorSKNo worries. Just getting to know my ways around nemo and mer, so I guess it will do for starters.10:45
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locusfIgorSK: http://pastie.org/986798911:25
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qwazixanybody present with commit rights to nemo github? I was thinking we could point people to nemomobile.github.io at the end of the presentation at FOSDEM but it would be nice if we had at least the WIP page there. (https://github.com/nemomobile/nemomobile.github.com/pull/1)11:46
IgorSKlocusf: Got that. Now complains: "repo problem: nothing provides kernel-adaptation-pc ... needed by virtualbox-guest-modules"11:53
locusfIgorSK: oh yeah one of the repositories broke the last time, sorry11:54
IgorSK... and if I remove virtualbox* thing from KS-file? Will the image be ok to run?11:55
locusfIgorSK: well you could try it11:55
locusfbut you lose things like mouse etc11:56
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locusfqwazix: at least I can't do anything about it, let me check history on whos involved11:56
locusfw00t: ping11:57
IgorSKlocusf: Trying right now to see what's going to happen.11:57
locusfIgorSK: okay good luck11:57
w00tlocusf: pong11:57
qwazixlocusf, thanks. Ping me if you find something.11:57
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locusfw00t: could you please merge that PR qwazix is talking about?11:57
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemomobile.github.com/pull/111:58
locusfw00t: thank you!11:58
qwazixlocusf, w00t many thanks11:58
w00tno problem :)11:59
locusfw00t: could qwazix have commit rights to that repo or better yet, add entire nemomobile-ux team there?12:00
w00ti can look at that a bit later, in the middle of something atm12:00
qwazixsomething is not right12:00
locusfw00t: okay no problem :)12:01
locusfqwazix: whats up?12:02
qwazixsorry I messed up the PR, will make a new one in a few minutes12:03
qwazixw00t, sorry to bother again, could you please one more? https://github.com/nemomobile/nemomobile.github.com/pull/212:06
qwazixthanks12:07
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qwazixlocusf, what phone are you going to show nemo on?12:20
locusfqwazix: on a Jolla12:21
locusfI got device locking to work on it so its a bit safer to show12:21
qwazixperfect12:22
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locusfqwazix: I was originally planning to bring maguro but I had time to reinstall Nemo on my Jolla so I chose that now12:34
locusfqwazix: maguro would be an example of a non-Jolla hybris build but thats only interesting to hw adapters12:35
qwazixyeah, and I think that nemo is better adapted to the smaller jolla resolution12:37
locusfit is really12:37
locusf720p is a tad too large12:37
dr_gogeta86lucky yours12:38
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locusfhttp://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2015/01/27/qt-weekly-24-high-dpi-qtwayland/ <- it seems that we probably won't have to worry about the scaling of UI in the near future12:45
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dr_gogeta86locusf, i'm listening that period many many times12:49
dr_gogeta86and up today we aren't resolution independant yes12:49
dr_gogeta86*yet12:49
faenildr_gogeta86, we have 2 devs, and you want to also be res independant? :D12:50
dr_gogeta86generally speaking12:50
locusfdon't we have 3?12:51
locusfyou, me and sk_work12:51
faenildr_gogeta86, ah ok12:52
faenillocusf, yeah just saying :)12:53
locusfok :)12:53
dr_gogeta86OT: copying iOS/Osx flatness make me bored and dreaming about ANSI menus under MS-Dos12:53
dr_gogeta86http://bbs.ninja/pack/2003/asshol-0/u3-hh.ans12:54
locusflol that looks awesome12:58
faenillol12:59
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dr_gogeta86locusf, faenil nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd_28_01_2015.tar.bz213:05
dr_gogeta86fresh13:05
dr_gogeta86from mic create13:05
faenil:)13:05
dr_gogeta86faenil, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeHXKUGaLOQ13:09
dr_gogeta86while flashing13:10
faenilhaha13:10
dr_gogeta86eng subtitle soon13:10
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Stskeepslocusf: weather forecast is starting to look a bit better13:35
locusfStskeeps: okay, its alright as it can't possibly be as bad as it is here in Finland :)13:35
dr_gogeta86faenil, booted fine13:37
faenildr_gogeta86, good13:37
dr_gogeta86i can see missed call13:38
dr_gogeta86but not the ringing part13:38
filippzdr_gogeta86: can you use ngf-client and issue play sms?13:39
* filippz is booting his n9 to check for sound issues13:40
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dr_gogeta86apipa on sdk mode13:42
dr_gogeta86:-(13:42
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filippzsound is working here, which ks did you use for image building?13:43
dr_gogeta86https://raw.githubusercontent.com/filippz/NemoWaylandKickstart/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks13:43
dr_gogeta86but i think is mine problem13:43
dr_gogeta86time to setup usb013:43
filippzhm, that should work, or at least it does for me13:44
dr_gogeta86filippz, plays13:45
dr_gogeta86low volume13:45
filippz\o/13:45
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dr_gogeta86is just a routing problem13:46
dr_gogeta86filippz bt4 works also13:47
dr_gogeta86tested with weloop13:47
filippzcool, didn't touch this myself, but great news :)13:48
dr_gogeta86filippz, but the get back x11 performance  ... is improbable13:49
filippzI was looking at wayland-wsegl, PVR2DCreateFlipChain is returning "generic" error, and is not being used - I'm playing with that on & off for the whole day...13:51
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locusfdamn we really need glesplash on Jolla and other hybris implementations :)14:05
filippz^yup, it looks awesome IMHO14:07
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dr_gogeta86locusf, i can't develop an hybris for dory14:08
dr_gogeta86can we do that step my step14:08
dr_gogeta86once droid-init-hal14:08
dr_gogeta86i can use opengl14:08
dr_gogeta86but sometimes reboot the machine14:09
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locusfdr_gogeta86: okay14:14
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dr_gogeta86filippz,15:52
filippzdr_gogeta86: ?15:53
dr_gogeta86https://github.com/filippz/upower/commit/b644f8fa8c8c5f8afa4a39534aeb19118629da7c15:53
dr_gogeta86this add battery support ?15:53
filippzit's just a temp solution, since mce was using upower backend15:53
filippzmce now uses statefs, but QBatteryInfo still uses upower15:54
dr_gogeta86so you need twice ?15:54
dr_gogeta86statefs + mce15:54
filippzonce QBatteryInfo goes statefs way, we'll stop using upower(-bme)15:54
SK_worklocusf: ping15:55
SK_workdo you know if in Qt 5.2 we have hidpi support ?15:55
SK_workcf twitter discussion15:55
filippzdr_gogeta86: upower will go away in less than a month (IIRC)15:55
locusfSK_work: No I don't sorry15:55
SK_worklocusf: :(15:55
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SK_workI really don't want to do "u" without having something from the system15:56
SK_work"u" is at best, a hack15:56
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locusfyeah15:59
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SK_workmaybe we should start building "Qt nightlies" in Nemo ?16:00
SK_workor some higher version of Qt, and check how it works under nemo16:00
locusfso break off from mer qt?16:01
locusfwe could do that16:02
SK_worklocusf: maybe Stskeeps would be happy if we experiment new Qt16:03
SK_workat least we catch bug for him earlier :P16:03
faenilfirst we have to clear all the mess that there is around us...16:03
faenil*then* we can start experimenting16:03
SK_workfaenil: :D16:03
SK_workok16:03
faenilonce we have finished UI components, core apps...16:03
SK_workwhat mess16:03
faenillet's say in 2 years? :D16:03
faenilor am I being too positive :P16:03
SK_workwell, what about ... using new Qt to help doing ui components16:04
SK_workfaenil: too positive, it is a neverending work :16:04
SK_work:P16:04
faenil:)16:04
dr_gogeta86can I help with anything ?16:04
faenilwe need the situation to settle a little...updating packages manually one by one is crazy16:04
dr_gogeta86is an afternoon play with nemo16:04
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faenildr_gogeta86, I don't know :) if you like playing with QML I'm sure there are UI components which need work16:05
dr_gogeta86but is quiet ... i don't wanna say futile16:05
dr_gogeta86but settings part need some cleanup16:05
locusfyeah we need the nemo-mer merge to happen first and then the migration to gitlab and the webhooks on16:05
faenildr_gogeta86, ?16:05
faenildr_gogeta86, settings part has to be rewritten from scratch...16:06
SK_workfaenil: what about taking advantage of Jolla's settings module ?16:07
SK_workthey have done some pretty nice stuff with JSON enabled modules etc.16:07
faenilsure16:07
faenilwe can look into that16:07
* SK_work thinks about "reverse engineering" how they did it16:07
faenilthere's a lot of stuff that needs work in nemo, one just has to do something, if he's willing to :)16:07
SK_workindeed16:07
faenilport apps to Glacier components16:07
faenilcomplete UI components16:08
faenilthose are the top priorities imho16:08
faenilexcept the merge of course, which we have no power on at the moment16:08
dr_gogeta86faenil, is an important milstone16:08
SK_workfaenil is an important milestone :P16:08
faenildr_gogeta86, so, if you want to help, just pick one :D16:08
dr_gogeta86*mile16:08
faenilSK_work, haha lol16:08
SK_worksorry, just read that16:08
faenilxD16:08
faenildr_gogeta86, so, just pick something :D16:10
faenilif you're more into kernel and you have an n950, we still have some pieces missing there16:10
faenillike wifi and audio16:10
dr_gogeta86sorry just n916:11
dr_gogeta86and wifi and sound works16:11
dr_gogeta86sound at low level16:11
faenilok16:11
faenilwe also have terribly outdated wiki pages16:11
faenilguys, there's a lot of stuff to do :D16:12
locusfyup16:12
locusfsorry for not being active in the wiki, I hate literary work, coding is more fun :)16:12
faenillocusf, recruit a few more thesists :D16:12
faenillocusf, who doesn't :D16:12
SK_workI do wonder if we can do something better than this wiki16:12
* SK_work thinks of the Mer bot16:13
SK_worktasks in a bz16:13
SK_workbot changing bug state16:13
faenilSK_work, not talking about tasks, wiki16:13
faenilas in guides to dev, that kind of stuff16:13
dr_gogeta86first how to build from scratch for n916:13
faenilfor instance..16:13
faenil^16:13
SK_workfaenil: ah16:16
SK_workI see16:16
SK_workbecause tasks is also somewere we lack visibility16:16
SK_work(not to say all mer / nemo lacks visibility)16:16
dr_gogeta86who is mer16:16
dr_gogeta86who is nemo16:16
dr_gogeta86?16:16
dr_gogeta86to not say some blasphemy16:17
faenilSK_work, indeed16:18
dr_gogeta86I'm in16:18
faenilmm?16:18
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dr_gogeta86if I find something into wiki i'll update it16:18
locusfthanks dr_gogeta86 :)16:19
faenil:)16:19
faeniljust pick a random page and you're done :D16:19
SK_workhope that what jolla people done will improve situation16:20
SK_workas faenil said: coming back to open developement16:20
dr_gogeta86locusf, faenil and SK_work drink some gueze for me16:22
faenildr_gogeta86, what's that? will do :D16:22
SK_workdr_gogeta86: you won't be there ? :(16:22
faenilah, so you're not coming :/16:22
dr_gogeta86acid kind of beer16:22
dr_gogeta86simply i can't16:22
faenilmm :(16:23
dr_gogeta86I'm a bit in overheating16:23
dr_gogeta86thermald not works very well :-D16:23
faenillol16:23
locusfwe should really have a project manager16:30
dr_gogeta86tbr, how can I upload some file to formeego ?16:31
SK_worklocusf: isn't faenil the manager ? :D16:34
faenilme? no way haha16:34
locusftbr is probably flying to brussels now16:34
locusfSK_work: lol :)16:34
faenillocusf, let's not start with managers :P16:34
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locusffaenil: well ok not a manager but a shotcaller16:36
faenildo we need one?16:37
locusfhmm we (at least me) don't do organization really well, we should prioritize things and make sure the things get done16:38
locusfthis would mean that we get serious, meaning it turns to a job and then its no longer fun :/16:38
faenilexactly :P16:39
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locusfso lets continue self-organizing, even though its inefficient16:39
locusfbut its fun that way, at least for me :)16:40
faenil:D16:40
faenilwe just need to actually work on it...you're the only one doing something :D16:41
faeniland filippz, of course16:41
locusfyeah and hedayat :)16:41
faeniland hedayat16:41
faenilyes16:41
faenil:)16:41
locusfif we could get fsf approval for hybris distribution we could get a lot more attention16:43
locusfI've been talking about in private as an idea from marxistvegan16:43
locusfwe _are_ free software, but only when hybris builds are considered16:44
locusfn9/50 is full of proprietary stuff16:44
locusfso we would have to abandon our "roots" if we want that approval16:44
faenillocusf, mm I see16:46
tbrlocusf: that's tomorrow. right now at a workshop16:46
faenilI have no problem with that, honestly16:46
tbrdr_gogeta86 / locusf - so what's up?16:48
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dr_gogeta86I wanna upload an updated n950 image16:51
faenildr_gogeta86, feel free16:51
dr_gogeta86http://www.nrg-lab.com/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd_28_01_2015.tar.bz216:51
faenilnot sure what's the current solution we're using for nemo images16:52
locusfwe use devaamos hosting space16:52
dr_gogeta86on wiki16:52
dr_gogeta86http://images.formeego.org/n950/nemo/nemo-n950-rnd-20140224.tar.bz216:52
dr_gogeta86from this wiki page16:52
dr_gogeta86https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#N9.2FN95016:52
faenilah ok16:52
faenilthen maybe we should keep using that ? :)16:52
locusfwoah its that old in the wiki16:52
dr_gogeta86made out from this kickstart16:53
dr_gogeta86https://github.com/filippz/NemoWaylandKickstart/blob/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks16:53
dr_gogeta86see later16:53
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tbrif you want something uploaded ping me tomorrow17:04
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locusfwell I can download it and then upload it :)17:08
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locusfjust remembered to start uploading ..17:43
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filippzvakkov: ping - can I ask you a couple of questions about this: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos-porters/%23sailfishos-porters.2014-10-12.log.html#t2014-10-12T18:47:40 ?18:02
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vakkovfilippz: i was going to continue with this in the comming days ... after reversing n900's bootlaoder jsut to find out that what i need is signed ...18:03
vakkovyou need to add something to your kernel18:03
vakkovsomething with the vsync if i remember correctly18:03
vakkovso that it supports the hwc :D18:04
vakkovand also implement the drivers from the sgx ddk18:04
vakkovthat lg is also using a 3630 soc18:04
vakkovhas some differences though ;)18:05
filippzcan we use existing powervr driver?18:06
vakkovwhat do you mean by existing?18:06
vakkovthe one in the 3.5 kernel?18:07
filippzthis one: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/nemo:devel:hw:ti:omap3:n9xx-common/ti-omap3-sgx18:07
vakkovno, use the android ones18:07
vakkovfrom the ddk18:07
filippzproblem is... I don't know anything about android :)18:08
vakkovi'll try in the comming days18:08
vakkovtoo much stuff lately ;D18:08
vakkovwhat you need to know - all them sgx drivers are crappy ;D18:08
vakkovandroid included18:08
filippzI've figured that out, on more than one occasion18:09
filippz(wayland_wsegl, glesplash...)18:09
vakkovwsegl was written by the community18:10
vakkovbefore hybris18:10
vakkovso it misses some stuff18:10
locusfvakkov: coming to fosdem?18:10
filippzvakkov: can you ping me, so we can work side by side when you start doing it for n900?18:10
vakkovno :(   have to study @ uni18:10
locusfokay :/18:10
vakkovfilippz: i bought an n9 :)18:11
vakkovhave them both now ;D18:11
vakkovactually 2 n900s, an n9 and the maguro18:11
vakkovall the TI crap on my desk18:11
vakkovall three of them with some kind of sgx problems18:12
filippzvakkov: so we can count on you in the near future!18:13
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filippzIf you have some more info what needs to be done in kernel for N9/N950 just ping me :)18:14
vakkovfilippz: check what the cm huys did in the lge kernel18:17
filippzthis: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_lge_p970/blob/cm-10.1/hwc/hwc.c ?18:18
ryukafalzI'm reviewing prolog for a computer science class, and I remember hearing that the audio policy was written in prolog. Is there any work on that that still needs to get done?18:20
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vakkovryukafalz: sledges can answer that. i am also interested18:55
locusfjusa_ is the pulseaudio guy18:56
sledges^18:58
locusfit was ohm18:59
locusfjust read on mer wiki18:59
sledgesryukafalz: bluetooth speakers needs proper audio routing on nexus4, as of today;)18:59
sledgesi wonder if that involves any prolog though..18:59
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ryukafalzsledges: Doesn't bluetooth need to work on Nexus 4 first? Or does that work now? :P19:11
sledgesryukafalz: as of today;)19:11
ryukafalz:D :D :D19:11
ryukafalzThat is the one big thing I've been missing on my phone19:11
ryukafalzI suppose I'd need to build an image with HADK to actually get it though eh? ;)19:11
sledgesryukafalz: nope, we had a release19:14
sledgesbut if you want nemo, you'll need to speak to locusf19:15
ryukafalzSailfish is fine as it's what I've been using - I can install Glacier if I want :P19:15
locusfwe have no gui whatsoever for bluetooth :p19:15
ryukafalzAha, fair enough19:16
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locusfin nemo that is19:16
locusfsfos has and it doesn't depend on glacier homescreen19:16
ryukafalzsledges: Was this a Sailfish release or a new community image?19:16
locusfits embedded to settings19:16
sledgeswell, good old obex and INSERT_ANOTHER_BT_COMMAND pairing ):19:16
sledgesryukafalz: yes19:16
ryukafalzeheheh19:16
ryukafalzHm, topic title for community port thread on XDA still says [11Dec], but I do see the info in the post - wonder if topic titles are editable there19:18
sledgesthanks, passed on19:20
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ryukafalzsledges: Do you know what had to be done to get bluetooth working? I thought the blocker was lack of device support in Bluez 4, but mer-core:devel/bluez still seems to be 4.101 so I suppose that wasn't it.19:21
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sledgesjolla SoC is nearly 1:1 to nexus419:22
sledgesjust a kernel flag was missing, and a hacky way to write to sysfs at a right time19:22
sledgesa guy from Canada did it19:22
sledgesreally cool19:22
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ryukafalzHuh, is there a commit somewhere that I could look at with the fix? I'm interested in learning more about how it works in general19:23
ryukafalzwasn't able to find a bug report for it previously, so I wouldn't really be sure what to look for19:24
* ryukafalz is eagerly looking forward to using his Pebble again19:25
sledgeslge-kernel-mako repo19:26
sledgesand droid-hal-device19:26
sledgeslook into closed PRs made by zanac19:27
ryukafalzthanks :)19:28
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