Monday, 2016-01-11

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lbtPSA : Mer git is going down soonish (5mins) for update18:33
locusfjust when I was doing the OE build :p19:02
bencohOE build?19:16
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locusfopenembedded19:20
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bencohlocusf: right, but what are you doing with mer stuff in OE? migrating?19:22
locusfbencoh: fun and profit :p19:30
locusfmostly because of new Qt19:30
bencohlocusf: do you have a meta layer available somewhere?19:30
bencohbecause that sounds quite interesting19:30
locusfbencoh: I will in a moment19:31
locusfhmm19:32
locusfnot tonight19:32
locusfmy back is killing me19:32
locusf+ with mer git down its a tad difficult19:32
bencohindeed19:32
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TemeVWhat would be main advantages on moving to OE?19:39
locusfdon't know yet :19:40
locusfp19:40
TemeV:)19:40
M4rtinKmy guess would be that an advantage would be someone (other than Jolla) actually using it19:44
M4rtinK#unlike Mer19:44
Stskeepswell, mer is actually used elsewhere19:44
Stskeeps:P19:44
M4rtinKat least as far as I can tell19:44
Stskeepsit's just not being very contributed back to19:44
Stskeeps(i know of at least 2 commercial users)19:44
M4rtinKIIRC there was some settopbox project19:44
Stskeepswell that one is dead19:45
M4rtinKalso the KDE tablet and modular board project by Aaron "I talk a lot" Saigo (sorry :P)19:45
M4rtinKin that case it would certainly be a good idea to market that a bit19:46
M4rtinKeq. at least a section about "Mer users"19:46
M4rtinKetc.19:46
M4rtinKwell, at least as long as they agree19:46
M4rtinKas otherwise Mer seems to be pretty much a Jolla only affair to external observers19:47
M4rtinKwhich might make potential users choose a different (meta) distro19:48
bencohhonestly contributing to mer wit the obs stuff is exactly hangy19:50
bencohisnt*19:50
bencohhandy* damnit19:50
bencoh(it least that's my point of view)19:50
M4rtinKit certainly is not very straightforward or well documented19:51
M4rtinKBTW, I think there is a GitLab instance now ?19:51
M4rtinKOBS just builds it all19:51
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M4rtinKalso I'm thinking more and more about the idea of just running a normal distro19:56
M4rtinKor a distro remix19:56
M4rtinKon mobile devices19:56
M4rtinKwhy create and maintain a special distro if you can just use an existing one and get package updates & (security!) fixes for free19:57
M4rtinKat least in theory that could help actually "get stuff done" rather than just getting bogged down in redoing all the maintenance drudgery a distro has to do, but "on a mobile device!"19:58
M4rtinKso, just an idea :)19:58
bencohM4rtinK: because you sometimes just cant (thus far)19:59
TemeVI guess being stuck on a kernel from the stone age is one problem?19:59
bencohprobably not the worse one20:00
M4rtinKkernel & blobs is the biggest issue IMHO20:00
bencohuserland blobs yes; kernel isn't (distro-wise)20:01
bencohbuilding a kernel package isn't that hard once you have a working compiler :)20:01
M4rtinKwell, there might be features the distro needs missing from the outdated kernel20:01
M4rtinKprobably could be patched around though20:01
M4rtinKit really depends on how much you want to remix20:02
M4rtinKvs running a stock distro20:02
bencohwell, if you have linux < 2.6.32 and need a recent libc, yeah; you'll have to patch around a bit20:02
M4rtinKof course in an ideal case there could be official support and deliverables20:03
bencohor if your alsa api is too old, that kind of stuff20:03
M4rtinKand there are for example official Fedora images for various arm boards20:03
M4rtinKbut that requires the board to be supported in mainline20:04
M4rtinKand it must be able to boot without blobs20:04
bencohI dont know many modern arm devices with full mainline support ;)20:04
M4rtinKunfortunately no mobile device so far really satisfies this20:04
bencoh(euphemism inside)20:04
M4rtinKwell, it needs to at least boot20:04
M4rtinKwell, these are officially supported as of F23: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM#Fedora_2320:06
M4rtinKalso some ultra hacky guide for other not officially supported devices: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F22/Installation20:07
faenilM4rtinK: something as easy as adding Fedora's URL as repo in the kickstarter? :D20:09
faenilso that all newer packages are taken from there, there rest from Mer :D20:09
faenilimplosion almost guaranteed20:10
faenilbut it could kind of work! :D20:10
bencoh:D20:10
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bencohhello deps hell20:10
M4rtinKBTW, a colleague wrote the Kickstart parser used in MIC (it uses an a really old bundled version) :)20:11
TemeVI just stole some .spec files from fedora to build stuff for Sailfish, didn't cross my mind I could just steal whole packages :)20:11
M4rtinKand we kinda maintain the Kickstart format and it default parser under the Fedora/RHEL installer umbrella :)20:11
M4rtinKTemeV: I have generally had a good experience with grabbing stuff directly from the Fedora build system with fedpkg and putting in OBS20:13
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M4rtinKa lot of stuff worked out of the box or with minor changes20:13
locusfhmm20:13
M4rtinKand generally better than when I tried grabbing stuff from OpenSUSE20:14
locusfintereating20:14
M4rtinKI might not be objective20:14
TemeVM4rtinK: ok, I'll have to try that next time I'm doing something like that20:14
M4rtinKbut the packaging quality in OpenSUSE generally felt inferior to Fedora packaging20:14
M4rtinKas for using binary packages directly20:15
M4rtinKthere will probably be issues with dependencies in many cases20:15
M4rtinKespecially due to the generally older (sometimes due to GPLv2) packages in Mer/Sailfish20:15
M4rtinKbut there indeed are amv7hf packages for Fedora20:16
M4rtinKthat should be at least ABI compatabile with the platform20:16
TemeVPropably I'll still play it safe and build in OBS20:17
M4rtinKI think it would be relatively easy to automate it20:19
M4rtinKeq. make a script that takes a Fedora source package name and target OBS project name20:20
M4rtinKand does the rest automatically20:20
TemeVYeah, shouldn't be too hard20:22
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