Wednesday, 2018-02-21

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T4<neochapay> @m2koo ping07:25
T4<eekkelund> If he doesn't answer, i can fix those couple issues for him^07:27
T4<neochapay> Just fix...second day without answer not good07:27
T4<m2koo> I currently have no time at all07:27
T4<neochapay> (Photo, 624x340) https://teleirc.mikaela.info/AVfHhX1h9s.png07:28
T4<neochapay> @eekkelund ^07:28
T4<eekkelund> Im busy today but I will try to do this on lunch break:)07:35
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marmistrzNeoChapay, would it be possible to run e.g. glacier-email on desktop Linux?08:24
marmistrzIt could be an idea for a sustainable development model to engage desktop devs - there's more of them than Nemo devs.08:24
marmistrz[architecture-wise, I know that we now directly import QtQuick.Controls.Nemo]08:25
r0kk3rzmarmistrz: my plan is to make sure nemo apps can run on sfos08:33
r0kk3rzthe sfos email client isnt great08:33
r0kk3rzand plasma devs too08:34
marmistrzr0kk3rz, I mean desktop, e.g. on Arch08:34
r0kk3rzi know08:34
r0kk3rzbut theres already lots of desktop mail clients08:35
marmistrzr0kk3rz, actually, if you want good GPG support, then you're stuck with Thunderbird08:38
marmistrz(i.e. Enigmail)08:38
r0kk3rztheres someone working on gpg support for sfos08:39
r0kk3rzdcaliste08:39
NeoChapaymarmistrz: i test all application in desktop mode first08:39
NeoChapay^)08:39
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marmistrzNeoChapay: :) what about the mer middleware the client depends on AFAIK? isn't it a hassle to set up on desktop?08:40
T4<faenil> We have so many opensource and quite good applications from ubuntu touch...has anyone looked into adapting those?08:40
NeoChapaymarmistrz: i build it to08:41
r0kk3rzfaenil: indeed, what are the chances of porting the ubuntu components?08:41
T4<faenil> Disclaimer: I used to work on Ubuntu Touch, so I might have a bias :)08:41
marmistrzr0kk3rz, NeoChapay, what do you think about poking Jolla at the next community meeting about QQC2? There are multiple reasons why they should do it - less maintenance burden on their side, portability => it's easier to port apps to Sailfish (some Android apps use QQC)08:42
T4<faenil> r0kk3rz: I was more thinking even just reusing the c++ logic/libs below them and redo the UI. Not sure it makes sense to port the components because they're not qqc2 based08:43
marmistrzand if SFOS moves to QQC2, Nemo gets all SFOS apps ;)08:43
marmistrz[and r0kk3rz, I appreciate that you want Nemo apps to run on SFOS but I have the impression that in the long run it's more important to have SFOS apps on Nemo]08:44
marmistrzI can raise it at the next meeting08:45
NeoChapaynow my first task gcc6 and reborn mer:core repo08:45
r0kk3rzmarmistrz: but that requires jolla releasing the silica components, which we have no control over08:46
r0kk3rzand they *wont* do, despite claiming otherwise08:46
marmistrzr0kk3rz, nope, it doesn't08:46
marmistrzThey would just keep Silica closed-source08:46
marmistrzDo their proprietary styling for QtQuick Controls too maintain the Silica look08:47
marmistrzOur win is that the apps will start using QQC2 instead of proprietary Silica08:47
r0kk3rzfaenil: oh so its qqc1 based? even easier :)08:47
marmistrzprobably silica will be left for some compatibility period08:47
marmistrzpossibly they'll reuse it for qqc2 styling, never releasing it to the public\08:48
r0kk3rzfaenil: i agree its nicer to have 'native' look n feel, but if you port components you dont have to port each app individually08:48
r0kk3rzfaenil: does all that stuff still live on canonical servers?08:49
T4<faenil> r0kk3rz no it's not QQC1 one because they're not efficient. There's a lot of c++ in Ubuntu Components.08:50
r0kk3rzmarmistrz: jolla wont even consider that until after the next qt upgrade, which might be in a year if we're lucky08:50
marmistrzr0kk3rz, so, if the community want QQC2 @ SFOS within two years, they should start putting the pressure now xD08:51
r0kk3rzi was going to try and backport the 5.7 branch of qqc208:52
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T4<faenil> r0kk3rz I think the best place now is to look at UBPorts community repos. I would not spend time porting Ubuntu Components to Nemo, although it can be done (but it will be painful especially because of the theming/styling classes iirc)08:52
r0kk3rzfor kirigami208:52
marmistrzr0kk3rz, until QQC2 is the official framework for SFOS, most apps will use Silica and Nemo will not benefit from it at all08:53
marmistrzI can ask, it doesn't hurt, as you've seen on the IRC I'm good at talking ;D08:54
r0kk3rzmarmistrz: yeah thats fine, if developers want to make silica apps they can08:57
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marmistrzadded to the meeting schedule09:11
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T4<oldschoolthemer> Eh, just reverse-engineer Silica and call it a day. ;) Beat 'em to it.09:52
T4<oldschoolthemer> (I'm cleary being facetious)09:54
T4<oldschoolthemer> [Edit] (I'm clearly being facetious)09:54
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