Saturday, 2019-03-16

Leif_EriksonHello Nemo friends. I made a factory reset of my Sailfish developer device and updated it to release 2.2.1.18. Then I installed Glacier UX successfully. I tested phone calls and SMS successfully. After a reset this features a renot working any more, because the Glacier UX doesn't prompt a SIM unlock.10:13
Leif_EriksonI tried to install the qmlpinquery app form Github. Unfortunately I get an error "qofono-qt5 development packe not found10:15
Leif_EriksonI think I have to add another repository on the build engine. Does someone know which one?10:16
Leif_EriksonI tried sb2 -t SailfishOS-2.2.1.18-i486 -R -m sdk-install zypper in qofono-qt5-devel but it doesn't work.10:52
Leif_EriksonI tried to duess the package name10:52
Leif_Eriksonguess10:52
T4<ssrssv2ray> A silent onlookers eating melons passing by10:53
malLeif_Erikson: the package is libqofono-qt5-devel10:56
malyou know you can search for packages containing "ofono" with "zypper se ofono"10:56
Leif_EriksonI  didn't.11:02
Leif_EriksonThanks.11:02
Leif_EriksonI'll try11:02
Leif_EriksonThe correct command was: sb2 -t SailfishOS-2.2.1.18-i486 -R -m sdk-install zypper in libqofono-qt5-devel11:10
Leif_EriksonUnfortunately I have build error. I think it is a very old project.11:10
Leif_EriksonBad exit status from /var/temp/rpm-temp.JqgLWD (%install)11:12
Leif_Eriksoncp: cannot stat '/home/mersdk/.../qmlpinquery.service': No such file or directory11:14
Leif_EriksonThe qmlpinquery.service file is part of the project. I assume, some build settings are wrong.11:15
T4<neochapay> Oh i think o need rewrite this :)11:47
Leif_EriksonIs there someone, who is using the Glacier UX? How is the SIM activation solved?14:23
T4<eekkelund> IIRC this could help … https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/blob/devel/src/qml/statusbar/SimPanel.qml14:29
Leif_EriksonThanks for your recommendation. This settings are available in the current dev branch?15:33
Leif_EriksonI think I have checked our the wrong git repository. I have switched to https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home.git now.15:34
NeoChapayLeif_Erikson: settings in master branch15:35
NeoChapayglacier-home in dev15:35
Leif_EriksonOk, so I will build and deploy first glacier-home and then glacier-settings, right?15:36
Leif_EriksonUnfortunately I can't build the first ine.15:36
NeoChapayyeap15:36
Leif_EriksonThere is an RPM build error, because lipstick.service is missing15:36
NeoChapayLeif_Erikson: if you use sailfish you can use https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor/home:neochapay:nemo-ux15:36
Leif_EriksonYes, I have checked out this repository before. But there, the SIM settings are missing.15:37
Leif_EriksonAnd I can't unlock the SIM on my device.15:37
NeoChapayi not use sim unlock yeat...15:38
NeoChapaymaybe on next week i start work about this15:38
Leif_EriksonHow can you make phone calls, if you can't enter the PIM?15:38
Leif_EriksonPIN15:39
NeoChapayLeif_Erikson: disable pin on another phone15:39
Leif_EriksonI assume my english is too limited. I mean the use case, that you have to enter a PIN, if you start a smartphone. This is missing with the Glacier UX. So I can't make or receive phone calls or send and receive messages.15:41
NeoChapayLeif_Erikson: you can disable pin on another phone. pin is not support on glacier now15:42
Leif_EriksonHow is this possible? If I restart a phone or remove a SIM, I need to unlock the SIM again.15:45
Leif_EriksonI tried to install lipstick-qt5-devel on my build engine. But it was already installed. So this won't solve the build problem.15:48
Leif_EriksonWhat's about the post of T4. I conclude, that a SIM card is supported in the glacier settings.15:51
Leif_Eriksonlipstick.service is in the rpm folder of the glacier home project. So I wonder, why the build error occures.15:54
Leif_Eriksona pure build works, but I get the warning desktop.path is not defined.16:04
NeoChapayLeif_Erikson: yea we know about this issue16:07
Leif_EriksonIs that the reason for the rpm build failure?16:14
NeoChapayLeif_Erikson: yea...rpm build fail on sdk but in obs all is well16:19
Leif_EriksonI never have used obs. I will search for instruction at the Mer Wiki.16:22
Leif_EriksonThe Mer Wiki suggests to use the Sailfish SDK: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier#On_phone16:23
Leif_EriksonI assume, this is for the whole Nemo Mobile image, isn't it?16:23
Leif_EriksonIs there a simple way to install the newest devel version of Glacier?16:25
Leif_EriksonIf I follow the link for the obs at the Mer wiki, it's not motivating: https://build.merproject.org/project/show/nemo:devel:ux16:25
Leif_EriksonIt seems, that the newest builds are failing.16:26
Leif_EriksonIf I follow this instructions, I get an outdated version of glacier: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier/Installing16:30
Leif_EriksonI think this Wiki page is related to the old glacier infrastructure, isn't it?16:30
Leif_Erikson  What do you mean with: if you use sailfish you can use https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor/home:neochapay:nemo-ux16:52
Leif_EriksonHow can I huse this link? Ot's not a link for the git repository.16:52
Leif_EriksonI can't find information about a build of glacier home with obx.16:53
vknechtLeif_Erikson, https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:neochapay:mer:nemo-devel-ux/lipstick-glacier-home-qt5 ?16:55
Leif_EriksonI mean, I can't find instructions how to create a build with obs. I only know how to create a build with the Sailfish app and platform sdk.16:59
Leif_EriksonYou suggest to add a repository on the device like the command in the Mer Wiki:17:00
Leif_Eriksonssu ar nemo-devel-ux http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/ux/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/17:00
Leif_EriksonI think I have to remove this repo and add another one you mentioned, right?17:00
Leif_EriksonUnfortunatelly I'm not able to map these two information.17:01
vknechtit's not all so clear to me neither, I'd also like to build a Nemo image for my port...17:02
Leif_EriksonI need an armv7hl build17:03
vknechtthere's this reference, which afaik shows how to install latest & greatest nemo17:04
vknechthttps://neochapay.ru/blogs/zapiski-utkonosa-programmista/instructions-to-update-nexus5-to-latest-.html17:04
vknechtso yes, it has to do with ssu ar17:04
vknechtI wonder about line 6 in the ssu section, it's a partial dupe of line 7, right ?17:05
vknechtalso, does it mean one should add mer_latest target to one's port ? and I suppose remove all references to -jolla- packages in droid-config/patterns ?17:07
Leif_EriksonThe blog article is good. Unfortunately it's for Nexus5. We have 1 Nexus5X, 2 Intex Aqua Fish, 2 Accione P and 1 Accione as developer devices here, but no Nexus 5. I'll look at Amazon, wether I can get the old Nexus 5 device.17:09
vknechtit should work for other devices to an extent, was able to get it on idol3 at that time ; too bad I didn't take exact notes, tried recently and didn't go well but maybe not compatible with 3.0.1.1117:10
vknechtor perhaps because the "latest" from that time isn't the same as today17:11
T4<meierrom> NeoChapay: do you have an idea why it fails on sdk and builds just fine on obs?17:56
maldepends on what the error is18:59
Leif_Eri_This is an excerpt of my build log: https://pastebin.com/J86gZU7X20:37
Leif_Eri_You can see the error at the end.20:37
Leif_Eri_It would be nice to have a developer documentation for Nemo Mobile.20:45
Leif_Eri_At first I would welcome how to create a pure Nemo Mobile system.20:45
Leif_Eri_I assume, this instructions are outdated: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier20:46
Leif_Eri_This Wiki page looks like a quick note, that requires a lot of background knowledge20:47
Leif_Eri_The better the documentation is, the more this community can grow.20:51
T4<akaWolf> you can update it20:57
T4<meierrom> I think @akaWolf did some updates to the documentation. It still needs more work.20:57
Leif_Eri_I'm currently try to follow the instructions of the quoted blog entry. I only skipped the deinstallation of Silica, because the script said, that the system would be broken.20:57
T4<meierrom> Another problem may be that various channels are used for documentation.20:59
Leif_Eri_Indeed, as soon I understand the process, I would really like to contribute to a documentation.21:00
Leif_Eri_I only know the Mer Wiki.21:01
Leif_Eri_Some parts of the Mer wiki about Nemo and Glacier seem to be outdated.21:01
Leif_Eri_Ok, my device is stuck in the boot screen now. I  think I need to do a factory reset. Then I'll try the steps, that are described in the blog a second time.21:04
T4<meierrom> I don't think NeoChapay uses mer wiki. He has other ways. Migration and translation of stuff may improve things.21:04
Leif_Eri_I only need to skip the parts for the hammerhead device. May this is the reason, that my device is broken.21:05
Leif_Eri_Ok, maybe someone can link his documentation. An automized translation would also be sufficient a first step.21:06
T4<meierrom> https://neochapay.ru/blogs/zapiski-utkonosa-programmista/instructions-to-update-nexus5-to-latest-.html21:07
Leif_Eri_I referred exactly to this article. I followed the instructions, but may developer device was broken and is now doing a factory reset. This takes some time with all updates.21:15
Leif_Eri_I skipped step 6.1, 6.6, 6.7 and 721:16
Leif_Eri_6.1, 6.6 and 6.7 are related to hammerhead21:16
Leif_Eri_Next time I try to execute step 7 despite the warning, that this will break the system.21:17
T4<meierrom> It will likely be easier for you to get a hammerhead. NeoChapay knows this device very well.21:20
Leif_Eri_I'll check available devices at Amazon, but we already ordered a Necunos device with a pre-installed Nemo mobile. I just want to evaluate, wther Nemo Mobile supports the basic phone features like calls and short messages.21:22
Leif_Eri_Later we need to know, how to create a Nemo Mobile image. We will try to hire people for this purpose. But Nemo Mobile and Mer skilled developers are extremely rare. So we need a documentation anyway.21:23
Leif_Eri_So I see several needs:21:23
Leif_Eri_1. How to modify a Sailfish device to evaluate Nemo Mobile21:24
Leif_Eri_2. How to create a Nemo Mobile image and flash a Sailfish device without breaking the recovery partition.21:25
Leif_Eri_3. How to develop Nemo Mobile apps.21:25
Leif_Eri_I think the last part could be the easiest one.21:25
Leif_Eri_It should be similar to Sailfish apps. If Nemo Mobile will be our final platform decision, I could contribute with some tutorials.21:26
Leif_Eri_Last but not least, we would need a hardware adaption guide. I think it is similar to a hardware adaption of Sailfish OS.21:27
maldepending on which kind of image you want to build, the community type or the official-type i.e. lvm-based21:29
T4<meierrom> I believe you will find useful discussions we had a few months back in that regard.21:29
malanyway only difference is the ui packages which can the done in patterns21:29
Leif_Eri_Ok, is it possible to browse or search in the archive of this chat room?21:31
T4<meierrom> Eg. regarding mapping of lipstick silica and the ui switcher.21:32
Leif_Eri_Ymal, you mean the difference between Sailfish and Nemo Mobile? I was told, that Nemo Mobile is ahead of Sailfish because of a newer Qt version for example.21:32
Leif_Eri_I think Necunos has updated Nemo Mobile in this way. I'M not sure, whether they have merged their code.21:33
T4<meierrom> All IRC discussions are archived and available for research. Somewhere on freenode...21:34
Leif_Eri_Dou have a keyword to search for. If the discussion took place several month ago, it will be a lot of text messages to browse through.21:36
malhttp://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/21:36
Leif_Eri_Thanks21:36
Leif_Eri_A lot of text file. I'll try a site search with DuckDuckGo if I have some keyword. I'll play around with some.21:47
T4<meierrom> At that time @akaWolf tried to push things a little. He has become a bit quiet since. :)21:48
Leif_Eri_Back to the guide in the blog of neochapay. Which Sailfish version is recommended? I assume it is some Sailfish 2 release?21:49
Leif_Eri_I just have passed the Sailfish tutorial after factory reset (if feels, that I have done that for 1000 times) and will move on with the update now.21:51
r0kk3rz[m]You know you can skip the tutorial21:54
malbefore doing anything else in the tutorial touch the corners of the screen clockwise starting from top left corner21:56
Leif_Eri_No. How?21:56
Leif_Eri_Ah, Thanks21:56
r0kk3rz[m]I'm quite surprised you guys are still struggling with this22:05
Leif_Eri_Today I learned, that the official project of glacier-home at https://github.com/nemomobile-ux can't be build and deployed with the platform sdk. This is only possible with glacier-home from https://github.com/neochapay/glacier-home. But the last project seems to be not up to date. The SIM unlock qml page, that was linked in this forum today is not part of this release.22:05
Leif_Eri_It would be great, if someone can find a solution to build and deploy glacier-home and other glacier projects with the platform sdk or some can give advice, how to build and deploy the projects with obs.22:07
r0kk3rz[m]There would be builds on OBS already22:10
Leif_Eri_r0kk3rz, It takes so much time to collect the pieces of information to become productive. Therefore it would leverage the community, if we have a good documentation.22:10
r0kk3rz[m]You just need to install them22:10
Leif_Eri_It sounds easy, but one needs background knowledge. If you follow the instructions on this page, you get an outdated version of glacier UX: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier/Installing#Installing22:11
r0kk3rz[m]Outdated? That's pulls it off the Nemo OBS repo22:12
r0kk3rz[m]If it needs triggering a rebuild then that's easy to do22:13
Leif_Eri_Yes. It is a version without the top pull down menu. If I build and deploy glacier-home from neochapays repository, I can see the top menu.22:14
r0kk3rz[m]Well that's neochapays repo22:14
Leif_Eri_r0kk3rz, I'm pretty sure, that you are right, but one need to know the commands.22:15
r0kk3rz[m]You can't do it, someone with access to the obs repo can22:16
r0kk3rz[m]Bit neochapay does all kinds of stuff, and he will submit it to the main Nemo repo when he is ready22:16
Leif_Eri_His code works for a platform sdk build and deployment. Hopefully his fix will be integrated soon in the main Nemo repo.22:18
Leif_Eri_However, one post of this chat linked to a SIM unlock page, that is part of the devel branch. Therefore I'm confused. It's not part of glacier, if I wollow the installation instructions of the Mer Wiki.22:22
Leif_Eri_I  mean "follow"22:22
r0kk3rz[m]Well yes, that's the state of things at the moment22:25
Leif_Eri_If we can't use obs, that we need indeed a solution to build glacier projects and finally Nemo Mobile with an internal build server.22:25
r0kk3rz[m]You can use obs22:27
r0kk3rz[m]Get yourself an account if you haven't done so already22:28
r0kk3rz[m]Setting up your own OBS is an epic journey on its own22:28
Leif_Eri_I'm confused. Some lines ago, you wrote, that it's not possible to use obs.22:29
r0kk3rz[m]You misunderstood22:29
Leif_Eri_Ok?22:30
r0kk3rz[m]Obs has different sections, each has permissions to access22:30
r0kk3rz[m]You can get an account, and have your own section for your stuff22:31
r0kk3rz[m]Talk to lbt in #mer to request an account22:32
Leif_Eri_I see, each user makes his own builds but shares the infrastructure to execute the build process.22:33
Leif_Eri_I will recheck the installation of glacier home following the Wiki installation instruction. If you are right I should find the SIM unlock, right? https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/blob/master/src/qml/statusbar/SimPanel.qml22:35
r0kk3rz[m]Ish, you can link things from other people's builds, like the Mer project or other Nemo projects so you just build the stuff you modify22:36
Leif_Eri_I expected, that the status bar is the panel, that you can slide in from the top. Maybe this is my misunderstanding.22:36
r0kk3rz[m]That never used to be the case22:36
Leif_Eri_Got it. This makes sense.22:36
r0kk3rz[m]But these days is a quasi-standard ux feature, so even sailfish modified their stuff to work like that22:37
Leif_Eri_With your last sentence you mean: No one would build everything, just the modified stuff.22:37
r0kk3rz[m]Depends what you want to do22:38
r0kk3rz[m]Neochapays repos build everything22:38
Leif_Eri_Coming from the Java world, it's comparable to Hudson?22:41
Leif_Eri_Or like Nexus?22:42
r0kk3rz[m]No idea22:42
r0kk3rz[m]I don't java22:42
Leif_Eri_Ok22:43
Leif_Eri_Would you recommend to install glacier-home on Sailfish 2 or 3?22:44
r0kk3rz[m]Always use the latest22:48
Leif_Eri_Ok. Thanks so much for you patient support. You make a great job. I hope, that I can give this support back with my contribution.22:56

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