Saturday, 2019-03-30

T4<DibyaXP> @m_aurel   … You can ship your device with Android and fdroid then you can upload a community port03:43
T4<meierrom> @DibyaXP [@m_aurel   … You can ship your device with Andro …], This works with tech savvy users only tho...08:11
T4<DibyaXP> Atleast something better than nothing08:11
T4<meierrom> +1 :)08:12
T4<DibyaXP> Atleast we will clear up our first 1000 device by installing Ubuntu touch , otherwise our odm will kill us anyway … @m_aurel  for starter you can use Ubuntu touch anyway08:30
T4<abranson> What's the device?11:00
T4<K31j0> @DibyaXP [Atleast we will clear up our first 1000 device …], ODM will kill you if you don't send flashed units?11:02
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T4<DibyaXP> They will kill us if we keep our devices in their inventory for any longer11:17
T4<K31j0> Ah, okay11:18
T4<DibyaXP> Manager is a old lady and she  gets mad anytime .11:19
T4<DibyaXP> Even she warned us that she had High blood pressure . … Come on , granny please get retired from your business11:19
T4<meierrom> @DibyaXP [They will kill us if we keep our devices in th …], They will sell them at dumping prizes themselves, which was somehow what happened to Jolla with their tablet I heard.11:44
T4<DibyaXP> May be .11:46
T4<meierrom> @DibyaXP [May be .], Anyway, we also have members in the sfos community flashing devices with sfos for those who find it difficult or just don't want to do it themselves.12:34
T4<NotKit> @DibyaXP [They will kill us if we keep our devices in th …], I doubt you can port Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch that fast to usable state13:17
T4<DibyaXP> May be we shall request them to provide flash tool and send back first batch of devices to us13:25
T4<meierrom> @NotKit [I doubt you can port Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch …], A short time solution may be to ship with android and leave it to the user to flash with an alternative once available. That's what planet computers is doing with their gemini.14:14
T4<DibyaXP> I guess we gonna do that atleast14:15
T4<meierrom> I'm happy to hear that! :)14:16
T4<DibyaXP> We will never ship play service and google shit anyway .14:21
T4<meierrom> That's the spirit! :)))15:02
T4<DibyaXP> Thanks a lot for your kind remark.15:08
Leif_EriksonHello Nemo friends. I have updated our report summary at https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gcpl5bm92kur9i/Nemo%20Mobilde%20Status.markdown?dl=015:09
T4<DibyaXP> Hi Erikson15:10
Leif_EriksonI could manage to deactivate the PIN code on one of our SIM cards with an Android developer device to test glacier-messages.15:10
T4<DibyaXP> What our QT dev has to say anyway . I shall have posted it before but I guess pretty pointless now as he left us15:12
Leif_EriksonI also realised some more glacier apps like the essential glacier-mail. Unfortunately I can't configure any account. Here is the log output https://pastebin.com/Wei0VBMk15:12
T4<DibyaXP> (Document) http://3das7vpgt73yxclb6agz4sz2a2bt7bqqfjucjhhbb5jnndxcd4o4lfid.onion/4HGp6tf4Sv.txt15:12
T4<DibyaXP> It was his to do list anyway15:13
T4<neochapay> @Leif_Erikson [I could manage to deactivate the PIN code on o …], I rewrite glacier pinqery for you15:15
Leif_EriksonI tried to fix the error in the last log entry by replacing "settingsPage.state" in ManualScreen.qml with manualSettingsPage.state without any impact. The "Next" button does not respond, respectively nothing happens, even not in the log.15:15
T4<neochapay> @Leif_Erikson [I also realised some more glacier apps like th …], Plz create issue on github15:15
Leif_EriksonThanks. The PIN query app motivating and mandatory for pushing Nemo Mobile.15:16
T4<DibyaXP> I will love to request any friend here to check out my attachment . Hope our developer may have left something important.15:18
Leif_EriksonI'M still struggling with evaluating glacier-contacts. Here is the error message, that is shon in the UI: https://pastebin.com/9D4Hdrpe. It's pretty clear. If I check the installed services with gdbus introspect --system --dest org.nemomobile.DBus --object-path / --recurse I get the response Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.nemomobile.DBus was not provided by any .service files15:23
Leif_EriksonWhich library do I have to install? And even more important: from where?15:24
T4<meierrom> Leif_Erikson: can't we add this to nemo's wiki instead of using yet another place to keep documentation?15:25
T4<DibyaXP> @Leif_Erikson [I'M still struggling with evaluating glacier-c …], Looks like missing service15:25
Leif_Erikson@neochapay I'll open a ticket for the issue of glacier-mail.15:25
T4<DibyaXP> Is the source of sailfish email exists?15:26
T4<neochapay> @Leif_Erikson [@neochapay I'll open a ticket for the issue of …], Thanks. Plz create issue for all you problems15:26
T4<neochapay> I will try to fix it15:26
T4<neochapay> @Leif_Erikson [I'M still struggling with evaluating glacier-c …], Dbus 1.0 deplecated15:27
T4<DibyaXP> Any chance of having a updated virtual Box image for evolution?15:29
T4<DibyaXP> It is pretty pointless to install on top of sailfish with silica15:29
T4<locusf> why?15:31
T4<DibyaXP> For proper evolution15:32
T4<locusf> proper?15:32
T4<locusf> you can use silica client to add the account15:32
T4<locusf> and then use nemo client to test it out15:32
T4<DibyaXP> @locusf [and then use nemo client to test it out], Thanks for help15:33
Leif_EriksonI agree. It's not a real evaluation of Nemo Mobile by installing the Glacier UX and the Glacier apps. Sailfish OS uses many extensions to Mer. It's not only a different Lipstick implementation and the core apps, which come with Sailfish OS.15:57
Leif_EriksonIt would be great to have an image for any legacy device, that is available. It could be any of the devices with a community port or even a Sony Xperia.15:58
T4<DibyaXP> I agree15:58
T4<locusf> @Leif_Erikson [I agree. It's not a real evaluation of Nemo Mo …], please, there has been nothing but questions from you every step of the way towards this even small progress you have made, @neochapay has done quite heroic effort before but even he cannot possibly do everything that you're asking here15:59
Leif_EriksonUnfortunately my professional background is app development, not OS development. So I have a lot of things to learn to create an image on my own.15:59
T4<locusf> @Leif_Erikson [It would be great to have an image for any leg …], you have been given documentation all over again and again on how things are done between sailfish os and nemo mobile, this should be very plenty information to get started15:59
T4<DibyaXP> @locusf  i support your opinion . … It is impossible for a @neochapay  to pull the work which once hundreds of Nokia employees did16:00
T4<locusf> @Leif_Erikson [Unfortunately my professional background is ap …], that is mighty fine but it is unreasonable to expect the level of support you require for maintaining you every step of the way, I have to ask you to get much much more involved with the codebase, tools and methods with your energy on it16:01
Leif_EriksonThanks for all the great support. It helped me to install Glacier UX and the Glacier apps to evaluate the status of Nemo Mobile.16:02
T4<locusf> it is possible to do however, the job is not easy however, having done this back in 2013 first time16:02
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay  is capable person. … I respect him from deepest of my heart but we need more people like him. … To be honest I said that  i am noob when I comes to Linux . … It looks like much folks are not aware of Nemo project.16:03
T4<locusf> it would also be very good that you would document your steps and hitches along the way so it wouldn't be another set of tacit knowledge this channels offers but is locked away due to time constraints of the community and their personal life16:04
T4<locusf> contributing back is something jolla has done in code in the middleware and getting hardware adaptation started, however the documentation effort from even them has been quite lackluster16:05
Leif_EriksonLast weekend I got the recommendations to use a .ks file to create an image. https://gist.github.com/vknecht/a4c4a00ecbee472b6f3d7ed01e24509a I'll follow the path, but I'm afraid I need more help. I learned, that a link to hardware specific resources are essential to build an image. The next question will be, hot to deploy an image.16:05
T4<locusf> I refuse until further effort from your part leif16:06
T4<DibyaXP> To be honest Nemo is not know to most of Meego fans.  … First I guess , in free time I gonna introduce Nemo to as many forums possible . … Hope Nemo devs will allow me to do that16:07
T4<locusf> @DibyaXP [@neochapay  is capable person. … I respect him f …], that is okay @DibyaXP there are people aware of nemo but it doesn't have nearly enough people compared to plasma mobile or postmarket os16:08
T4<locusf> @DibyaXP [To be honest Nemo is not know to most of Meego …], most Meego fans only know MeeGo through N9, this is however not a MeeGo device, but really a Maemo Harmattan device as explained previously16:08
T4<locusf> thus it has been forgotten by history a bit16:08
T4<DibyaXP> May I go around different forum and introduce Nemo ?16:09
T4<locusf> @locusf [most Meego fans only know MeeGo through N9, th …], there never has been a real MeeGo device as is, Jolla made the first with SailfishOS being the basis for Mer and Nemo together, with MeeGo as a grandfather'ish to both16:10
T4<locusf> @DibyaXP [May I go around different forum and introduce …], the very very early stage of nemo, even if it has been developed since 2011 is enough of a reason to drive most people away who expect a daily driver and don't want to put in extra effort16:10
Leif_EriksonI appreciate the help of the forum and will give this kind support back as soon I have learned more and my company has decided to support this platform. Some more documentation would help to make Nemo Mobile more popular. Even Plasma Mobile offers an image for a legacy device. A step by step guide like a cheat sheet would also sufficient. As soon I found out how to build an image, I will write a totorial.16:11
Leif_EriksonThe Necunos device could leverage this community with the offered pre-installed Nemo Mobile.16:12
T4<DibyaXP> I see the point of your still we may expect few people to take interest.16:12
T4<locusf> @Leif_Erikson [I appreciate the help of the forum and will gi …], not good enough, especially since this is a company effort and not a freetime effort as it has been previously, this is an entirely different matter for commercial support16:12
T4<NotKit> there was a guide how to build pure Nemo image for Jolla 116:13
T4<neochapay> I waiting pine64 devboard16:13
T4<neochapay> And work about virtualbox image16:13
T4<meierrom> Leif_Erikson: to sacrifice a few hours every weekend into Nemo will not help you. You will not get anywhere with so little time investment. Anyway, I'm still happy about your ambitious plans. :)16:13
T4<locusf> we are free to do support with each other as community member but this feels very very much like abuse of community for making a potential commercial effort with Nemo Mobile16:13
Leif_EriksonSounds interesting. I saw a Jolla 1 device at eBay some weeks ago.16:13
T4<locusf> as an old member of this community I just can't bring myself around for support, sorry16:14
T4<locusf> even if I had the time, which I currently lack very badly16:15
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay [And work about virtualbox image], Thanks a lot16:15
T4<NotKit> Leif, that won't help much (getting Jolla 1 in particular) but can be used to get general idea of the process16:15
T4<NotKit> *Leif_Erikson, sorry16:16
T4<neochapay> And i have hybrids free image for friendlyarm nanopi device16:17
T4<locusf> of course I cannot do anything else than offer my disdain of this abuse so everyone who wants to support leif, can16:18
T4<DibyaXP> I guess it is not supported by community to use Nemo for commercial use  am I right?16:20
Leif_EriksonMy evaluation of Nemo Mobile is time boxed. After a platform decision, the company will definitely invest more resources on it. I think we would contribute with documentation. This would leverage the community.16:20
T4<locusf> thats up to the community :) I personally think that involving community in such decision making is essential and has to be done with good ethics16:21
Leif_EriksonSure.16:21
T4<locusf> @Leif_Erikson [My evaluation of Nemo Mobile is time boxed. Af …], you must also respect the source code licensing so any changes you make, with the appropriate license ruling, has to come back16:22
Leif_EriksonI usual in other projects, that companies contribute to open source projects. Jolla has invested and still invests millions in Mer and I think originally in Nemo Mobile.16:23
T4<locusf> @Leif_Erikson [Thanks for all the great support. It helped me …], given this is a _YEAR_ since you started asking for help, this is FAR TOO LATE16:23
T4<DibyaXP> @locusf  will you allow us if we reveal all code modification ?  … And make it possible for anyone to build and flash Nemo as they like16:23
T4<locusf> @DibyaXP [@locusf  will you allow us if we reveal all co …], yes you can, I just think that the work is very very great and is potentially extremely risky commercially to do16:24
T4<DibyaXP> @locusf  our mission is not profit but to kill all spyware platform on the Earth .. … Only our camera app will be closed source (as our partners don't wanna reveal their code)16:26
T4<DibyaXP> We make enough profit from our windows product16:26
T4<locusf> thats ok, exactly what happened with Xperias16:26
T4<DibyaXP> Thanks a lot for all support16:27
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay  … Can I use this ? … http://nanopi.org/NanoPi-S2_Feature.html16:28
Leif_EriksonYes. My company including myself startet last summer with development. And with the help of the community we are on track with the development on Sailfish. Thanks for the help. We have similar motivation like DbyaXP.16:30
T4<neochapay> @DibyaXP [@neochapay  … Can I use this ? … http://nanopi.org …], https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=85&product_id=20716:30
T4<DibyaXP> Thanks @neochapay16:31
T4<locusf> (Document) http://3das7vpgt73yxclb6agz4sz2a2bt7bqqfjucjhhbb5jnndxcd4o4lfid.onion/0kaSXeclbO.mp416:31
Leif_EriksonPage not found16:32
Leif_EriksonThe conlusion of my evaluation is, that Nemo Mobile is based on a stable Mer base, that is used commercially by Sailfish OS, but the system UI Glacier is in a beta stage and most app in an alpha stage. Working images like community ports for Sailfish OS are not available.16:37
Leif_EriksonI think Nemo Mobile has a huge potential. For a consumer product it would require a lot of investment.16:38
Leif_EriksonNecunos is currently addressing developers with a Nemo Mobile device. I think this is a good decision and could push the community.16:40
Leif_EriksonSometimes it's hard to put the puzzles together. My reference for documentation is the Mer Wiki. If someone is successful to build and deploy a Nemo Mobile image, it would be great, if the Wiki page would be updated. Are there some other resources to look at beyond the Sailfish documentation?16:55
Leif_EriksonI bookmarked the blog of NeoChapay and the Twitter channel of Nemo Mobile.16:56
Leif_EriksonBack to my question according the missing module "org.nemomobile.dbus". Does someone knows, which repository I have to add to the device?16:58
T4<neochapay> @Leif_Erikson [Back to my question according the missing modu …], We must rewrite it17:36
T4<neochapay> We must use org.nemomobile.dbus 2.017:37
T4<neochapay> I will try fix it if not forgot on next week17:37
T4<neochapay> Or if you create issue :))))17:37
T4<meierrom> @locusf [given this is a _YEAR_ since you started askin …], One year? Sure? No offense but the questions asked are kind of noob like, aren't they? :)18:39
T4<locusf> @meierrom [One year? Sure? No offense but the questions a …], well certainly I'm not sure of the time and I would expect some individual progress so far given how much help has been given18:41
T4<meierrom> @locusf [well certainly I'm not sure of the time and I …], Progress was made but at this pace he won't get anywhere anytime soon. I wish I could help more. :(18:47
Leif_Erikson@Neochapay Thanks so much. I'm looking forward to give this support back with my contribution.21:27
Leif_EriksonI just checked out the project for glacier-contacts form here: https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-contacts21:36
Leif_EriksonA build and deployment was successful and I could use main features21:37
Leif_EriksonIt seems that the available build form OBS is outdated.21:38
Leif_EriksonI have new error page, if I try to add a contact. The log says: [W] unknown:334 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtQuick/Controls/Nemo/Header.qml:334:23: Unable to assign [undefined] to QQmlListProperty<QQuickItem>21:39
Leif_EriksonI'll have a look at the code.21:40
Leif_EriksonThe error page says: Could not load file file:///usr/share/glacier-contacts/qml/ContactEditorSgh21:42
Leif_Eriksonfile file:///usr/share/glacier-contacts/qml/ContactEditorSheet.qml:168 PhoneEditableList is not a type21:43
Leif_EriksonSorry, I pressed the enter key too early.21:43

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