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| amccarthy | smoku: Not sure if there is an official API for that yet. You could try Qt Bluetooth, Bluez-qt or accessing Bluez directly over DBus with Qt DBus. | 00:08 |
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| smoku | there is one in QML in Sailfish.Bluetooth module | 00:17 |
| smoku | but I'm running commandline without UI | 00:17 |
| smoku | and Qt 5.1 is lacking accessors to connected devices - it was added in 5.2 :/ | 00:18 |
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| Jonni | smoku: if you are just using cli, then using hcitool should provide you most of the info that want | 03:17 |
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| Master-Passeli | good morning sailors | 04:59 |
| Stskeeps | good morning Master-Passeli | 04:59 |
| Master-Passeli | Jolla's xmmp support does not seem to be very high in priority list. Is there code or API available somewhere so that people can try to develop more functionality for messaging or XMMP application for Jolla? | 05:03 |
| Master-Passeli | i'm talking about MUC or file attachment support for example | 05:04 |
| Master-Passeli | atleast file attachment code should be existing since MMS functionality is there | 05:04 |
| tbr | Master-Passeli: it's all telepathy, so go and run wild | 05:05 |
| Master-Passeli | oh. | 05:05 |
| Master-Passeli | have to take a look | 05:05 |
| tbr | should be trivial to spin up some file sending code, reach into contacts, get the contact and then send them the file (if telepathy supports it) | 05:07 |
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| tbr | bonus points if you make the code easy to take and integrate into the messaging app, so that jolla can then take it for one of their next updates | 05:08 |
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| Master-Passeli | hmm, Jolla uses Gabble version 18.1 which should support all those MUC and file transfers out of the box. | 05:28 |
| Master-Passeli | am i right that only integration to messaging app is needed then? | 05:29 |
| stephg | hey guys | 05:29 |
| Master-Passeli | that can not be done if messaging is closed source | 05:29 |
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| coderus | hm, i just have a bug with network | 05:31 |
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| coderus | when want to dial it shows "network error" and not dialing | 05:32 |
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| coderus | when try to call myself from another phone evverything okay, but my phone isn't ringing :D | 05:32 |
| coderus | after reboot everything okay | 05:32 |
| coderus | sorry, was a urgent call, no time for getting logs... | 05:33 |
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| CvP_ | Master-Passeli: maybe it helps to open a vote thread in together to get it open source. muc is for me very importend, files send/receive, too | 05:36 |
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| Master-Passeli | CvP_: maybe so. i don't actually care so much is it open or not. i quess that there is a good reason it to be closed but i would like to have MUC and file transfer functionality too' | 05:38 |
| Master-Passeli | MUC and file transfer could be those features which helps to get rid of whatsapp | 05:39 |
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| Master-Passeli | and no insult to you coderus, you do a damn nice job with Mitäkuuluu. i just prefer my own XMPP server | 05:40 |
| CvP_ | Master-Passeli: it will be a real killer Feature, i mean wich os have a integraded xmpp with muc and Transfer Features ? no os on market. | 05:41 |
| tbr | Master-Passeli: that's why I said to write proof of concept, portable code, so it can be integrated with the messaging app | 05:42 |
| Master-Passeli | maybe yes. atleast it would have a huge potential since XMPP is pretty flexible | 05:43 |
| tbr | CvP_: and all the 5 people that use XMPP will love it. (exaggerating to make a point) | 05:43 |
| Master-Passeli | tbr: you mean proof of consept code which uses Gabble trough telepathy? | 05:44 |
| tbr | Master-Passeli: yes | 05:44 |
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| tbr | Master-Passeli: of course for that you will have to accept that jolla might take your code (if it's permissively licensed for that) and integrate it in their closed messaging app. You can't have the cake and eat it. | 05:45 |
| CvP_ | tbr, this missing feature is why we (Familie, friends) use whatsapp to send files. | 05:45 |
| Master-Passeli | tbr: ok, now i got it... maybe i take a try. | 05:45 |
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| tbr | CvP_: you missed my point. This is not a killer feature and not going to make a difference on a global scale. I'm not disputing the benefit for the few people like us who use XMPP. | 05:47 |
| Master-Passeli | but not right now, i'm at work and i have some super annoying concurrency bug to debug.... :/ | 05:47 |
| CvP_ | tbr: yes, true | 05:48 |
| CvP_ | for 0,5% is it must have.... to less to spend time for it | 05:49 |
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| tbr | this also helps to understand why this hasn't been implemented so far | 05:50 |
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| tbr | there are more commercially viable fish/features to fry | 05:50 |
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| faenil | chriadam, you available to discuss contacts sync issues? | 07:50 |
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| entil | yay, got my app approved on the jolla store | 07:52 |
| faenil | congrats :) | 07:52 |
| entil | so everyone install manasail now ;) | 07:52 |
| faenil | :D | 07:53 |
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| chriadam | faenil: sure | 07:55 |
| chriadam | what's happening? | 07:55 |
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| faenil | chriadam, let me point you to the log, I talked to special already yesterday (or was it the day before | 07:55 |
| chriadam | oh wait, was this the one where sim contacts got pushed to google somehow? | 07:56 |
| chriadam | I looked at that log -- nfi what's going on. only contacts from "local" or "google" sync target should ever be pushed to google | 07:57 |
| chriadam | the only possibility I came up with is that somehow the data from the third-party database was upsynced by the sync adapter... | 07:57 |
| faenil | yeah first of all, you pushed my sim stuff to google, and I'm not happy at all | 07:57 |
| chriadam | since contacts in the third party database don't have sync targets associated with them. | 07:57 |
| faenil | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/%23sailfishos.2014-06-22.log.html#t2014-06-22T12:38:32 | 07:58 |
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| faenil | (starts as messages bug, evolves into the real problem with sync) | 07:58 |
| faenil | please read it all, it's short | 07:59 |
| chriadam | yeah, I read that one the other day | 07:59 |
| faenil | ah ok | 07:59 |
| faenil | so, | 07:59 |
| faenil | a few of my contacts were cloned 5-6 times | 07:59 |
| faenil | most of the times it didn't even keep details | 07:59 |
| faenil | some times there was only the number, no name, no nothing | 07:59 |
| chriadam | on google, or on the local device? | 08:00 |
| chriadam | do you have any android apks installed which also do sync? any of the google play services apks, or google+ or anything similar? | 08:00 |
| faenil | what do you mean? they're on both places, atm | 08:00 |
| faenil | yes I have google stuff for gplay | 08:00 |
| faenil | (so, gapps) | 08:01 |
| chriadam | hrm, there's a particular apk - GoogleContactsSyncAdapter.apk which doesn't play nice | 08:01 |
| chriadam | it reads the contacts which are exposed to it from sailfish side by alien, and syncs them with google using a really terrible matching heuristic | 08:01 |
| chriadam | if you have that one, well, that'd be my first thought of what's causing the issue | 08:02 |
| chriadam | if you don't have that one, then the next possibility would be that somehow the sailfish sync adapter is reading the wrong database in some circumstances (ie, reading from 3rd party, instead of privileged, db) | 08:02 |
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| faenil | in any case I don't see how that justifies the cloning | 08:03 |
| faenil | and the existence of contacts without a name | 08:03 |
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| chriadam | right, I don't know why GoogleContactsSyncAdapter.apk would push up contacts like that to the Google servers. | 08:03 |
| chriadam | it's crazy. | 08:03 |
| faenil | so you're saying it's that apk...I don't think it is | 08:04 |
| faenil | because, for example, before update7 I had names in WhatsApp | 08:04 |
| faenil | (android whatsapp) | 08:04 |
| faenil | after I installed up7, a few names became numbers | 08:04 |
| faenil | (probably because *something* created those new dummy contacts) | 08:04 |
| chriadam | well, in up7 we exposed contact data via the third-party db, instead of via filters on the privileged db, to android | 08:05 |
| faenil | (and they have a better match than the same contact WITH a name in android whatsapp for whatever reason) | 08:05 |
| faenil | ok, so, it shouldn't have changed anything in the data.. | 08:05 |
| chriadam | which data? | 08:06 |
| faenil | why does android now knows of contacts with no name | 08:06 |
| faenil | if it didn't before up7? | 08:06 |
| chriadam | the entire database which Android applications see, would have changed | 08:06 |
| faenil | you just changed db | 08:06 |
| pp | I get incoming calls from -34234344234@chat.facebook.com or whatnot when a certain person calls :-) | 08:06 |
| faenil | pp, ouch | 08:06 |
| chriadam | pp: urgh - that's clearly a problem with our display label selection algorithm | 08:07 |
| faenil | chriadam, yes, the db changed, but the data inside the db is the same as before, isn't it? | 08:07 |
| faenil | pp, at the moment my messages conversation with the *same* guy have, like, 5 recipients | 08:07 |
| chriadam | faenil: not quite. the third party db doesn't have sync targets, but only exposes the "third-party visible" aggregate. | 08:07 |
| faenil | which in english means? :) | 08:07 |
| chriadam | what's more, all of the contact ids will have changed | 08:07 |
| pp | yea, lessee if I resave that contact | 08:07 |
| chriadam | it means that the Android layer probably would have signaled a whole bunch of changes internally. then if something running in your android env listens to those signals and performs sync to Google (and messes it up, as I know that the particular .apk has in the past, based on internal reports), then you will have erroneous contacts pushed to the server. | 08:08 |
| pp | there's a first/last/home/work number/email/google plus/facebook for her, so no wonder | 08:08 |
| faenil | chriadam, ok, so, actions | 08:08 |
| faenil | first of all, I get rid of that apk | 08:09 |
| faenil | (if I have that) | 08:09 |
| chriadam | yes. then, gmail's web ui has a "remove duplicates" option | 08:09 |
| chriadam | then trigger sync, hopefully most of it will clean itself up | 08:09 |
| chriadam | pp: any name information (first/last) should override any XMPP nickname (which I assume is what that fb chat id is) | 08:10 |
| chriadam | pp: if the name information is NOT being selected over the XMPP information, then, well, we have a bug in our code :-) clearly, that's a bug. | 08:10 |
| faenil | chriadam, should that apk be in /data/app? | 08:10 |
| chriadam | no idea tbh | 08:11 |
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| azazel | hi all! | 08:12 |
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| chriadam | hi azazel | 08:12 |
| pp | yep, if it happens again (I went to the contact and saved again which might have cleared things up) I'll file on tjc :-) | 08:13 |
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| azazel | i'm a bored owner of a Samsung i9305 (s3-4g) there's any chance for me to try sailfishos on it? | 08:13 |
| sledges | faenil: to where you have extracted/rsynced gapps (/opt/alien/.. iirc ?) | 08:14 |
| faenil | sledges, yes just found it thanks anyway ;) | 08:14 |
| tbr | it's been surprisingly silent around the 9305 | 08:14 |
| sledges | azazel: give me your email and you'll receive porting guide when it's out | 08:14 |
| tbr | it's all just nx4 | 08:14 |
| chriadam | pp: thanks. I'll poke matt about it tomorrow anyway | 08:14 |
| sledges | (pm your email azazel , not on this channel that is) | 08:14 |
| tbr | given that sledges, a sailor just implicitly said that azazel will need to port it himself, I'll conclude the i-9305 port by Jolla is dead in the water, for unknown reasons. | 08:15 |
| azazel | oh | 08:15 |
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| suy | which was the way to get additional packages installed on the virtual machine? (e.g. QtContacts, QtPositioning) | 08:16 |
| azazel | that's sad | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | long story short we hit some issues with modem part that we didn't have capacity to sort out, but, it'll be possible to build images for i9305 and other bits that are quite functional when HADK finally does come out | 08:16 |
| azazel | i already have CM on it | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | just that we're focusing on making one good reference image | 08:16 |
| faenil | sledges, is deleting the apk from alien's system folder enough? | 08:16 |
| sledges | chriadam: ^ | 08:16 |
| pp | chriadam: ok, it now works after workaround | 08:17 |
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| pp | so db being confused | 08:17 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: modem part, *nod* rild, vendor specifics and stuff *nod* *nod* | 08:18 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: worst part is that it too is a qcom modem | 08:19 |
| chriadam | sledges: faenil: no idea tbh. | 08:19 |
| sledges | azazel thanks for email :) | 08:19 |
| faenil | anyway, I deleted it, it should be enough | 08:20 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: I bet the thanks you get from the community feels awesome since the sceptic attitude you have to met on everyday basis. you have to climb over the wall of many doubts | 08:20 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: ugh... | 08:20 |
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| sledges | faenil: imho it should do it, reboot in order though | 08:20 |
| faenil | chriadam, so, now I delete duplicates on google web ui | 08:20 |
| chriadam | yup | 08:20 |
| faenil | chriadam, then also delete all the contacts without a name on google ui | 08:20 |
| chriadam | there should be a button to do it automatically | 08:20 |
| faenil | then also delete all SIM contacts | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: sceptic is fine, negativity i'm not happy with, thanks help a lot, it's just about doing a good job | 08:21 |
| chriadam | well, those you'll probably have to delete manually yeah :-/ | 08:21 |
| faenil | chriadam, I think that those don't have a name either | 08:21 |
| faenil | chriadam, things like the number you use to check the sim credit are now on google :P | 08:22 |
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| chriadam | :-/ | 08:22 |
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| Scelt | Stskeeps: well said, mate | 08:23 |
| faenil | chriadam, in case we end up discovering it's apk's fault, I'd suggest putting a disclaimer in an official place | 08:24 |
| faenil | just so, you know, they don't blame you for sure inconvenient issues | 08:24 |
| faenil | such* | 08:24 |
| chriadam | you're right, probably a good idea | 08:24 |
| chriadam | I'll mention it to Soumya | 08:24 |
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| faenil | chriadam, let's first make sure it's not your fault eheh :D | 08:26 |
| chriadam | haha, true | 08:26 |
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| faenil | chriadam, ok, how do I trigger a sync? | 08:32 |
| chriadam | settings / accounts / google account / pulley menu -> sync should work | 08:32 |
| chriadam | then you will probably have to wait a little while (60 seconds or so, depending on how many contacts you have in Google) | 08:33 |
| faenil | google -> not signed in | 08:34 |
| faenil | crap | 08:34 |
| chriadam | hrm | 08:35 |
| faenil | msyncd now taking 100% cpu :D | 08:35 |
| iekku | community meeting starting soon | 08:35 |
| tbr | this not signed in is a long standing bug IMO. it works fine for everything, but the settings... | 08:35 |
| chriadam | faenil: well, that's good :-P | 08:35 |
| chriadam | tbr: yeah, it's the bane of my existence | 08:35 |
| faenil | chriadam, it's good if I'm not planning to use the phone for *anything* else you mean :P | 08:36 |
| chriadam | haha | 08:36 |
| chriadam | you've got another core :-P | 08:36 |
| faenil | which was taken by contactsd :P | 08:36 |
| chriadam | but I agree, we should definitely have quotas on daemon processes | 08:36 |
| faenil | yes...pretty please | 08:36 |
| sledges | +1 | 08:36 |
| chriadam | no doubt, and commhistoryd would have been screaming for some attention too no doubt | 08:37 |
| sledges | it's not `nice` :D | 08:37 |
| chriadam | if only the timeslice on linux was 20ms by default | 08:37 |
| chriadam | wasn't* | 08:38 |
| faenil | chriadam, my gf still has 8 google accounts and 2 telepathy | 08:38 |
| faenil | I'll wait some more.. | 08:38 |
| chriadam | 2 telepathy contacts ... one fb chat and one google chat I guess, makes sense. that leaves 7 unaccounted for dups of google contacts... | 08:39 |
| faenil | yeah | 08:39 |
| faenil | msyncd is now back at 100%, let's ee | 08:39 |
| faenil | see | 08:39 |
| chriadam | wut | 08:40 |
| chriadam | if you tell me that msyncd has gotten itself into a sync trigger loop I'm going to cry | 08:40 |
| faenil | chriadam, don't know yet, but I know that my google contacts just went from 257 to 454 | 08:41 |
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| chriadam | :-/ | 08:41 |
| faenil | every sim contact now appears, with a name this time, 3-4 times | 08:41 |
| chriadam | you did reboot after removing the apk? | 08:42 |
| faenil | yes | 08:42 |
| chriadam | :-/ | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | make sure to remove all copies..? | 08:42 |
| chriadam | ok. can you email me /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db perchance? | 08:42 |
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| sledges | PSA: sailfish community meeting @ #mer-meeting starting | 08:44 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, what about stopping alien service | 08:45 |
| faenil | nothing android can run without it, right? | 08:45 |
| faenil | right? :D | 08:46 |
| special | [11:51:52] <chriadam> but I agree, we should definitely have quotas on daemon processes | 08:47 |
| special | I have a side project looking at cgroups that might eventually help with this. | 08:47 |
| faenil | chriadam, I'll try stopping alien service | 08:47 |
| faenil | removing duplicates from google ui | 08:47 |
| faenil | and sync again | 08:47 |
| chriadam | faenil: worth a try, definitely... but at this stage, I'd be more inclined to think that it's our sync code doing something wrong. | 08:48 |
| faenil | just to be sure ;) | 08:48 |
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| kimmoli | sailfish community meeting @ #mer-meeting started | 08:49 |
| faenil | chriadam, I wonder why some contacts were cloned twice, some 4 times, some 8 times | 08:49 |
| faenil | (only one 8 times) | 08:49 |
| chriadam | very good question... could be related to out-of-band data (we store some sync artifacts in the main contacts database but out of band with the details tables etcs) | 08:50 |
| kimmoli | how can i get subdirs project to build with sdk? just complains tha cannot find makefile ?? | 08:50 |
| chriadam | if we somehow got into a bad state, we might have duplicates inside that, somehow... not sure though. | 08:50 |
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| pompon | hell all | 08:51 |
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| pompon | who tried the latest nexus 4 update ? | 08:52 |
| sledges | faenil: chriadam: how about re-adding accounts? | 08:52 |
| tbr | pompon: it works | 08:52 |
| chriadam | deleting the account and re-adding it should ensure that the sync artifacts etc get cleaned up. but if there are duplicates server-side, they will just be pulled down when he re-adds the account again :-/ | 08:53 |
| pompon | yes, just want to have feedback | 08:53 |
| pompon | I'm waiting the week end to install it | 08:53 |
| tbr | store works too for me | 08:53 |
| tbr | but currently there's a community IRC meeting ongoing, so most people look at a different channel | 08:54 |
| faenil | sledges, I'd rather help fixing the bugs | 08:54 |
| faenil | than finding workarounds form my case | 08:54 |
| sledges | faenil: sure go ahead | 08:55 |
| faenil | chriadam, so what do you suggest | 08:55 |
| faenil | right now I have cloned contacts on google web ui | 08:55 |
| faenil | (they all have a name, at least) | 08:55 |
| chriadam | my suggestion would be to email me and matt your contacts.db so we can analyze the state | 08:55 |
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| faenil | without retrying? | 08:56 |
| chriadam | from that we'll try to figure out how it got into the state where the things which shouldn't get synced, got synced | 08:56 |
| chriadam | retrying the "remove dups" / resync, thing? naw, probably will just result in the same thing happening tbh. | 08:56 |
| faenil | chriadam, ok so I can try | 08:56 |
| chriadam | sure. if it magically fixes itself let me know :-P | 08:57 |
| faenil | :) | 08:57 |
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| faenil | chriadam, my People app is still full of numbers without a name | 09:01 |
| faenil | (haven't retried the sync yet, fyi) | 09:01 |
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| chriadam | hrm. | 09:01 |
| chriadam | I wonder if that's due to missing data in the db, or a similar bug to the one pp talked about before, regarding display label generation failing? | 09:02 |
| chriadam | most likely the former, if the name-less contacts appear google-side as well. | 09:02 |
| faenil | but those contacts without a name are no on google server side | 09:02 |
| chriadam | hrm. | 09:02 |
| faenil | so, I wonder where they're coming from | 09:03 |
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| faenil | (could it be facebook? very unlikely though) | 09:03 |
| chriadam | we don't get phone numbers from facebook, so if they have phones it can't be that | 09:05 |
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| lbt | faenil: so if they can't even tag a bug then how on earth will they manage a bugzilla form :D | 09:21 |
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| faenil | they won't, less work for community moderators | 09:21 |
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| faenil | they'll post on tjc, and their bug will get lost | 09:21 |
| thp | :p so the point is having less input from community? | 09:21 |
| faenil | thp, you're not reading those bugs anyway | 09:22 |
| lbt | faenil is doing the next topic - lets pause for a while | 09:22 |
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| faenil | lbt, thp we can continue the discussion about both points after lunch, if you're available | 09:41 |
| lbt | faenil: this is not a "we won't" it's a "we don't think it makes economic sense" and a lot of the reasoning for that involves company confidential information (as it would for *any* company). it's explainable in broad terms but not in fine detail. | 09:41 |
| lbt | yep | 09:42 |
| faenil | lbt, so you're answer is "yes, it costs more than 3 hired testers" | 09:42 |
| faenil | even if you wouldn't have to look at the invalid reports | 09:42 |
| lbt | yes | 09:42 |
| lbt | the time it takes to train 1000 users to use the rather heavy test suite | 09:43 |
| faenil | okay, let's see if we can get the opinion of other people as well | 09:43 |
| lbt | test suite is big (and also confidential) | 09:43 |
| faenil | lbt, we're not doing that kind of test | 09:43 |
| faenil | we're doing the users test | 09:44 |
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| faenil | you have such a big suite that every update, I find at least 3 new bugs in the first 24h of using it | 09:44 |
| faenil | how comes? | 09:44 |
| faenil | maybe there's not enough "users" testing | 09:44 |
| faenil | (which is understandable) | 09:44 |
| chriadam | not just that - any sort of public beta program would require infrastructure to: 1) provide the images to them (and only them), 2) get feedback from testers in a meaningful way, 3) triage that feedback, 4) turn it into a test in our internal suite, 4) deal with breakages / regressions, and so on. | 09:44 |
| chriadam | it's not trivial, and the people required to do that work are currently already super busy. | 09:45 |
| lbt | faenil: so be clear - this is an economic argument at the moment. Not an absolute one. | 09:45 |
| lbt | it's about balance, not optimal | 09:45 |
| faenil | yes | 09:45 |
| faenil | I agree it's about balance | 09:45 |
| lbt | and I think you can agree that we're best placed to judge the balance - and yes, it's a case of "trust us" | 09:46 |
| faenil | chriadam, 1) is easy, periodic accounts | 09:46 |
| lbt | we are explaining in broad terms why we came to this conclusion | 09:46 |
| lbt | faenil: internally there's a concept we have "trust other sailors to do their jobs" | 09:46 |
| chriadam | 1 is not easy. it has jolla-store / webservice side, ssu credentials management, OBS repository settings, etc. | 09:47 |
| faenil | lbt, as a user, that doesn't apply though | 09:47 |
| faenil | chriadam, you just need new ssu accounts in the rc phase, every month | 09:47 |
| lbt | faenil: I'm only asking the same of you - I know you think you know better than us. But I have to trust other sailors even when I think I'm right :D | 09:47 |
| faenil | it's automated with a faiul | 09:47 |
| faenil | fairly basic monthly script, afaict | 09:47 |
| faenil | lbt, I'm not saying I know better, I'm just saying that I don't like the trust us motto | 09:48 |
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| faenil | and I don't work with that unless I am forced to | 09:48 |
| lbt | so rephrase that sentence ... :D | 09:48 |
| faenil | since I'm not forced to, in the position I am... :) | 09:48 |
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| faenil | lbt, whcih sentence? | 09:49 |
| lbt | in an organisation you *have* to trust your peers - unless you have *all* the information they have | 09:49 |
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| lbt | you don't (I don't!) | 09:49 |
| faenil | lbt, yea but when it's user vs company, that cannot owrk | 09:50 |
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| lbt | which is why users don't work as if they're part of the company - they work as a discrete user-testing group | 09:50 |
| lbt | and we don't have time for a public user testing group | 09:50 |
| chriadam | what do you mean "vs" ? it's about working together to produce the best product, surely - and in this case, the people who manage the infrastructure are saying that with the current available resources, it's not possible to do open betas properly. | 09:50 |
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| MoritzJT | What's it you're not using? | 09:51 |
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| faenil | chriadam, I got that | 09:51 |
| lbt | faenil: nb - I'm also trying to state this in general terms, not jolla-specific | 09:51 |
| faenil | I'm just not confident that this was really looked into enough | 09:51 |
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| lbt | I know :) | 09:53 |
| faenil | and you saying "we can't say why, it's confidential" really doesn't help | 09:53 |
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| lbt | I'm not saying that | 09:53 |
| lbt | sec | 09:53 |
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| lbt | right - so I was saying that part of the balancing uses confidential information | 09:55 |
| faenil | lbt, yeah well you said "it costs more, we can't say why" | 09:55 |
| lbt | I said we can't fully say why - any discussion is going to be < 100% informed | 09:56 |
| lbt | and since you won't accept any decision without 100% of the info .... that's unsolvable | 09:56 |
| faenil | there must be somoeone 100% informed about financial stuff? | 09:56 |
| lbt | there is - just not you | 09:57 |
| faenil | I don't need 100% of the info | 09:57 |
| faenil | lbt, of course not me | 09:57 |
| lbt | [24/06/2014 12:03] <faenil> lbt, I'm not saying I know better, I'm just saying that I don't like the trust us motto | 09:57 |
| faenil | lbt, yes, hints, logical explanations | 09:57 |
| faenil | which convince people without going into details | 09:57 |
| lbt | clearly I'm trying ... :) | 09:57 |
| lbt | but you insist on details | 09:57 |
| faenil | but you said you don't know enough yourself :) | 09:57 |
| lbt | I don't | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 09:58 |
| lbt | hehe | 09:58 |
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| faenil | chriadam's replies were more like what I'm looking for | 09:58 |
| lbt | faenil: ultimately it does come back to "trust us" | 09:58 |
| lbt | faenil: yep - that's god | 09:58 |
| lbt | good | 09:58 |
| faenil | I'd like details on that part | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | and i'd like to remind that this is a official channel, so, consider if you're really the one who has all the answers for an area. | 09:59 |
| faenil | bbl lunch | 10:00 |
| MoritzJT | *popcörn* | 10:00 |
| lbt | yep - all I'm really doing is giving generic 'MBA' style explanations | 10:00 |
| lbt | probably why faenil is frustrated :D ... sorry | 10:01 |
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| lbt | he does | 10:01 |
| MoritzJT | Well you can't always chose the circumstances 😉 | 10:01 |
| lbt | it was a good thing to do for a technologist | 10:01 |
| lbt | it's like learning lisp | 10:02 |
| MoritzJT | Why else would he use them as a fallback | 10:02 |
| MoritzJT | Oh god, I'm outta here 💥 | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | LISP was mentioned, time to drink | 10:03 |
| MoritzJT | What was the topic anyway? | 10:03 |
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| chriadam | allowing users to opt-in to pre-release update beta testing | 10:03 |
| chriadam | in order to collect feedback / improve testing of new features / etc. it was a topic of the #mer-meeting community meeting, but ran out of time there. | 10:04 |
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| MoritzJT | Wouldn't do that, rather allow for jobs as testers with certain duties along. | 10:04 |
| MoritzJT | Ah okay, thanks for the heads up | 10:05 |
| MoritzJT | *afk15 | 10:06 |
| azazel | lunch time! | 10:07 |
| suy | "it was a topic of the #mer-meeting community meeting, but ran out of time there" aaaah, that explains why I was missing all the context :P | 10:07 |
| suy | I didn't notice the 15 minutes jump in the backlog | 10:08 |
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| lbt | :) | 10:11 |
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| locusf | I'm getting weird errors while launching an android app in another homescreen: Jun 24 15:11:44 Jolla start_alien.sh[27610]: 06-24 12:11:44.670 27682 27694 E AlienRuntime: No display available: Permission denied | 10:58 |
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| SK_work | locusf: hum ... exports missing ? | 10:59 |
| SK_work | don't know | 10:59 |
| SK_work | maybe you need to declare your homescreen as a wayland compositor or something like that ? | 10:59 |
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| locusf | hmm I don't know | 11:00 |
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| faenil | MoritzJT, hey, the choice is not between "more internal testing" vs community testing | 12:19 |
| faenil | it's community testing vs no community testing :P | 12:19 |
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| faenil | exactly because jolla doesn't have the resources to do a lot of QA | 12:19 |
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| MoritzJT | faenil: Well I get where you are going with this faenil | 12:40 |
| MoritzJT | No testing or too few iterations in testing is more dangerous than community testing. | 12:41 |
| MoritzJT | Although it has to be possible for them to stay on the right track with any legal stuff | 12:41 |
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| faenil | MOr | 12:43 |
| faenil | or | 12:43 |
| faenil | MoritzJT, ? | 12:43 |
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| MoritzJT | faenil: Yup? | 12:47 |
| faenil | didn't get the legal stuff.. | 12:48 |
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| MoritzJT | I assumed that was the issue? Maybe I missed too much of the backlog | 12:49 |
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| faenil | MoritzJT, no the issue, according to lbt, is that community testing needs a lot of money | 12:51 |
| lbt | resources | 12:51 |
| faenil | yeah, resources | 12:52 |
| faenil | implying that it's not worth it | 12:53 |
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| lbt | no, you inferred that it's not worth it | 12:54 |
| kimmoli | thanks to coderus and parts of mitakuuluu2 sources... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oif21nnnEBw | 12:54 |
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| faenil | lbt, probably bad wording on my side...I mean that you think you won't gain enough (otherwise, why wouldn't you spend 100 if you'll gain 120?) | 12:55 |
| lbt | yep - hence that balance thing | 12:55 |
| coderus | kimmoli: just saw your video from twitter :) | 12:56 |
| MoritzJT | I'm lost... | 12:56 |
| faenil | lbt, so, you think it's not worth it :D | 12:56 |
| sledges | kimmoli: \o/ | 12:56 |
| faenil | kimmoli, awesome stuff | 12:56 |
| lbt | MoritzJT: faenil is knawing at it | 12:57 |
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| faenil | lbt, is that archaic, slang, or what else :D | 12:57 |
| faenil | MoritzJT, what's not clear | 12:58 |
| MoritzJT | So you're lacking the resources to enable community testing, the preparations for it? | 12:58 |
| faenil | MoritzJT, it seems so | 12:58 |
| cos- | kimmoli: nice | 12:58 |
| MoritzJT | If it can only come from inside that's sad | 12:58 |
| MoritzJT | Especially if not deemed viable. | 12:58 |
| cos- | btw is there a printable 3d model for the toh breakout board case? | 12:59 |
| MoritzJT | We've seen some issues that could've been avoided with community testing that probably cost more resources afterwards, but I see I can't judge that as well as Jolla | 12:59 |
| lbt | faenil: dogs knaw at bones .... :) | 13:00 |
| faenil | lbt, ok | 13:00 |
| lbt | I've done my best to explain what's happening and why. Sorry if it's not enough but I really have to go do stuff | 13:01 |
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| faenil | lbt, I'll keep looking for explanations (no offence meant) | 13:02 |
| faenil | lbt, have a productive afternoon :p | 13:02 |
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| faenil | MoritzJT, if you want to know more read part of the meeting backlog please ;) | 13:03 |
| faenil | it would be good to get the opinion of other people as well | 13:03 |
| faenil | MoritzJT, starts at 9:20 in the log | 13:05 |
| faenil | http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-06-24-08.44.log.html | 13:05 |
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| proyvind_ | hmm, I seem to have forgotten my lock key on my jolla, then I disabled developer mode, then tried enable it again, and was asked fort his key that I can't remember.. | 13:37 |
| proyvind_ | I'm still logged in as root through ssh | 13:37 |
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| proyvind_ | any way for me to change it as root? | 13:37 |
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| Jonni | proyvind_: try to remember the code, its 5-10 digits :) | 13:47 |
| Jonni | (even the cli version takes old code as argument before allowing to enter the new one). | 13:49 |
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| proyvind_ | hm | 13:51 |
| proyvind_ | there's a cli version? | 13:51 |
| Jonni | and as root you can still enable developermode from cli... I'm just wondering why would anyone want to disable developer mode (other than to uninstall ssh). | 13:51 |
| Jonni | most commonly people might have used 6 digit code, like birthday or so. | 13:52 |
| Jonni | but most likely you tested those already? | 13:53 |
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| proyvind_ | yupp :| | 13:55 |
| proyvind_ | would be easier to try bruteforce from cli.. | 13:55 |
| Jonni | care@jolla can clear the code by reflashing the factory image (care@jolla.com for sending device for reflashing). Unfortunately we dont offer other ways to clear the code for end users. | 13:55 |
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| proyvind_ | sending it for flashing would kida... suck | 13:56 |
| Jonni | there is antibruteforce logic in latest checker binary, so bruteforce doesnt help much. There was bruteforce script released for update1 or so versions of device, but we patched our checker against it quite quickly. | 13:58 |
| Jonni | ie, running that script nowadays doesnt find the code :) | 13:58 |
| proyvind_ | you assholes ;p | 13:58 |
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| proyvind_ | but consiering that my phone is configured to accept unlimited amounts of attempts, how would you be able to prevent it? | 14:00 |
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| Jonni | usually best bet is to try remembering. what would you do, if someone would ask you to enter secret code of 5-10 digits, and try out what comes to mind 1st. | 14:00 |
| proyvind_ | hmm | 14:01 |
| Jonni | 00000, 12345, birthday, phonenumber etc.... | 14:02 |
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| proyvind_ | I have some slight memory about some sort of device requiring a six numbered pin.. hmm, maybe I reused that one | 14:02 |
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| proyvind_ | Jonni: there's not any chance of anyone being able to flash it for me amongst the jolla people who works from the former trolltech/nokia office at nydalen in Oslo? | 14:05 |
| proyvind_ | I hate sending things by mail | 14:05 |
| proyvind_ | I usually end up procrastinating it untill eternity | 14:06 |
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| proyvind_ | you need to open some service centers ASAP for lazy douches like myself :p | 14:07 |
| Jonni | proyvind_: if your able to find Jolla employee in Norway who is willing to help, then yes employees have flashing power. | 14:07 |
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| proyvind_ | cool | 14:07 |
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| Jonni | unfortunately my name memory is so bad that I dont remember who is in norway | 14:07 |
| lbt | w00t ^^ | 14:08 |
| lbt | also special iirc - but he's half-w00t anyhow | 14:08 |
| lbt | norway is the cold, long thin one with the hills - right? | 14:09 |
| proyvind_ | I know some people who works/worked at the nydalen office | 14:09 |
| giucam | sletta too is in norway | 14:09 |
| lbt | w00t lives on a hill near a lake if that narrows it down | 14:10 |
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| MoritzJT | Damn, why doesn't SailfishOS remember the VKB language per textbox? | 14:35 |
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| MoritzJT | One day, flashing should be available for everybody. But when this clears the lockcode, it can't be used to disable a device for thieves permanently only to protect private data | 14:38 |
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| faenil | MoritzJT, as long as recovery is ok, you can already flash your device... | 14:42 |
| faenil | I don't see a technical need for a flasher, atm | 14:42 |
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| MoritzJT | I want a direct jump to latest update and also want to be able to recover a broken backup partition etc. | 14:42 |
| MoritzJT | I want to be able to be a lot more careless | 14:43 |
| faenil | you can recover the partition, what's wrong with that? | 14:43 |
| faenil | a direct jump to latest update? that smells like a bit of "bitching" :D | 14:43 |
| MoritzJT | Also why can't i write latest ipdate as base for new reset prior to anything, when it was reset before? | 14:43 |
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| MoritzJT | Bitching when you're mobile and downloading and installing two to three intermediate steps takes too much time if you try tracking down an issue that bricks the device | 14:44 |
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| ArchMageia | How does one become an early adopter? | 14:45 |
| faenil | you just have to reset, take a snapshot of your system when you update, and you're good? | 14:45 |
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| ArchMageia | I want to get Sailfish OS for the Nexus 7 (grouper) | 14:47 |
| ArchMageia | Do I have to be an early adopter to get the images? | 14:47 |
| stephg | ArchMageia: there are no images yet for the N7, but instructions to help make your own should be coming really soon | 14:48 |
| stephg | ArchMageia: if you've also not already seen: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris | 14:48 |
| ArchMageia | stephg: Ok, thanks! | 14:49 |
| ArchMageia | Wait... it says on the page that most of the nexus 7 components are working | 14:50 |
| ArchMageia | I'm talking about the nexus 7 2012 WiFi | 14:50 |
| ArchMageia | codename grouper | 14:50 |
| stephg | yes it's the first row in the table | 14:52 |
| stephg | so that's for the hardware adaptation, i.e. the low level stuff | 14:53 |
| ArchMageia | oh, ok | 14:54 |
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| stephg | the Hardware Adaptation Development Kit is shortly going to be released, that will help folks build images for various devices | 14:55 |
| stephg | right now the only existing/distributed image is for the N4 | 14:55 |
| ArchMageia | No wonder that's the only image I could find | 14:56 |
| stephg | once the HADK is out it should (in principle) be quite easy to port to the N7, not least because most of the underlying stuff works | 14:56 |
| ArchMageia | Can't wait to try it! | 14:57 |
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| MoritzJT | faenil: What, I can update to latest update cleanly, nothing set up, make a snapshot prior to enabling devmode? | 15:00 |
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| MoritzJT | in recovery shell? | 15:00 |
| faenil | do you need devmode to update? | 15:00 |
| faenil | you just need to register the jolla account | 15:01 |
| faenil | (right?) | 15:01 |
| MoritzJT | No, but snapshot in terminal? | 15:01 |
| MoritzJT | Yes acvount, nvnmd | 15:01 |
| coderus | Created github repository for telepathy-haze accounts: https://github.com/CODeRUS/haze-accounts-extensions | 15:01 |
| coderus | special: ^ | 15:01 |
| faenil | MoritzJT, yes, what's wrong with snapshot in terminal? | 15:02 |
| SK_work | coderus: ICQ ? :) | 15:02 |
| SK_work | coderus: hum, that's something cool | 15:02 |
| coderus | SK_work: yup | 15:02 |
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| coderus | i need testers with aim, bonjour, gadugadu, groupewise, msn, sametime, yahoo accounts to test | 15:06 |
| coderus | i can only test icq myself :) | 15:06 |
| stephg | coderus: I haven't used my icq or my msn accounts for literally 5 years :) | 15:06 |
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| faenil | coderus, owww <3 | 15:12 |
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| faenil | I don't use any of those anymore though, sorry xD | 15:12 |
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| stephg | are you guys aware of any oddities with 'shutdown' on the mako? you probably are but wanted to check | 15:13 |
| Nightmare__ | coderus: just install the rpm? | 15:14 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: yes | 15:15 |
| Nightmare__ | i'll try | 15:15 |
| coderus | will add more accounts later | 15:15 |
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| coderus | only icq for now | 15:16 |
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| MoritzJT | msn still exists? | 15:25 |
| Nightmare__ | wrong pw/log in problems are unhandled :D but with the right pw it's working fine, contacts and their stauts is displayed | 15:26 |
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| lainwir3d | hi there o/ | 16:13 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: its not my side | 16:19 |
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| coderus | special: any ideas? ^ | 16:20 |
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| vertoe | is this channel suitable for asking development questions? | 17:26 |
| vertoe | I'm trying to debug a sailfish app I found on github and currently try to figure out how to move files into the jolla VM. any ideas? should i use ssh/scp? | 17:27 |
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| SK_work | vertoe: hello | 17:28 |
| SK_work | welcome :) | 17:28 |
| R-Z | yeah, i think that this is the right place | 17:28 |
| SK_work | vertoe: why don't you open the app directly inside QtCreator ? | 17:28 |
| SK_work | open the harbour-xxx.pro on the root folder ? | 17:28 |
| SK_work | or maybe it's not a QtCreator enabled application ? | 17:29 |
| vertoe | wait, i got to explain | 17:29 |
| vertoe | i'm already running the app on the VM using qtcreator | 17:29 |
| vertoe | i need an input file to test the tool on the VM | 17:29 |
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| SK_work | vertoe: ah :) | 17:29 |
| SK_work | scp is the best | 17:29 |
| suy | vertoe: there are notes on how to ssh to the vm on https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 17:29 |
| vertoe | suy: yeah seen that, thanks | 17:30 |
| vertoe | SK_work: ok thx | 17:30 |
| suy | there is also a shared directory, IIRC | 17:30 |
| SK_work | suy: woow, that's new | 17:30 |
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| SK_work | suy: not on emu, only on SDK | 17:30 |
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| vertoe | while I'm getting started with the DSK I'm having some more questions. | 17:32 |
| vertoe | somehow my ambiente background disappeared on the VM, how to set a new one? | 17:32 |
| SK_work | vertoe: feel free to ask :) | 17:32 |
| SK_work | vertoe: huh | 17:33 |
| SK_work | that's interesting | 17:33 |
| SK_work | vertoe: you can always reinstall :) | 17:34 |
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| vertoe | ok | 17:41 |
| vertoe | i got an app which crashes on my jolla device but the same doesnt within the sdk... | 17:41 |
| vertoe | i guess that's the hardest thing to debug, isnt it? | 17:41 |
| SK_work | vertoe: this can happen (arch is different for example) | 17:41 |
| SK_work | you should debug on Jolla I guess | 17:42 |
| vertoe | can i connect my jolla to the qtcreator? | 17:42 |
| SK_work | vertoe: of course | 17:42 |
| SK_work | will tell you | 17:42 |
| SK_work | it's easy | 17:42 |
| SK_work | 1. enabled dev mode on Jolla | 17:42 |
| SK_work | 2. go to QtC > settings > device > add new device | 17:42 |
| SK_work | follow wizard (pick mer device) | 17:43 |
| SK_work | and it's done :) | 17:43 |
| SK_work | build and deploy with ARM target and it's all good | 17:43 |
| vertoe | all right, sounds simple :-) | 17:43 |
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| vertoe | SK_work: what's the SSH port of the device? | 17:51 |
| vertoe | 2223 or 22? | 17:51 |
| vertoe | i cant seem to establish a connection | 17:51 |
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| vertoe | ah nvm | 17:56 |
| vertoe | had to enable the developer mode before plugging in the usb cable :-) | 17:57 |
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| vertoe | or, not | 17:58 |
| vertoe | getting connection refused | 17:58 |
| vertoe | any idea? | 17:59 |
| vertoe | $ ssh nemo@192.168.2.15 | 18:01 |
| vertoe | ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused | 18:01 |
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| frullewulle | in sdk it is 2223 port | 18:04 |
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| vertoe | well i cant connect the sdk to my phone :( | 18:07 |
| vertoe | $ ssh 192.168.2.15 -p2223 | 18:08 |
| vertoe | ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 2223: Connection refused | 18:08 |
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| frullewulle | did you have a space between p and 2223? | 18:10 |
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| vertoe | no thats not required | 18:10 |
| vertoe | i guess i found the reason why | 18:10 |
| vertoe | https://together.jolla.com/question/47858/bug-dev-mode-not-working-if-not-enabled-before-updating/ | 18:10 |
| vertoe | meh | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | will be port 22 ? | 18:10 |
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| vertoe | all right | 18:13 |
| vertoe | got it | 18:13 |
| vertoe | you have to reboot after enabling the developer mode | 18:14 |
| frullewulle | have y seen this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53611676&postcount=433? | 18:14 |
| cvp_ | hi :) | 18:14 |
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| coderus | cvp_: hello | 18:43 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/haze-accounts-extensions | 18:44 |
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| cvp_ | coderus , coool :) | 18:45 |
| cvp_ | any infos how to install ? | 18:47 |
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| Nightmare__ | download rpm and isntall :D works | 18:48 |
| Nightmare__ | https://github.com/CODeRUS/haze-accounts-extensions/releases | 18:48 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: damn it!!! this is nice ! | 18:54 |
| cvp_ | thaaaaankyou very much :) | 18:54 |
| Nightmare__ | +1 | 18:54 |
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| cvp_ | GiuliettaSW - Quickbar , nice Mod!!! love my Jolla Phone every day more than the day before ;) | 19:11 |
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| kimmoli | cvp_: your pants, stay in them :) | 19:20 |
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| cvp_ | kimmoli: hrhr :P | 19:30 |
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| carepack | is slimport on hw todo list for mako? | 19:45 |
| carepack | hi btw | 19:45 |
| carepack | and bbtw great release ea3 | 19:46 |
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| tortoisedoc | grrrrr | 19:47 |
| tortoisedoc | :[ | 19:47 |
| tortoisedoc | for the record, I hate it when italy plays like sh*t | 19:47 |
| carepack | many big player failed thid time | 19:47 |
| tortoisedoc | carepak : italy was a failure all along | 19:48 |
| tortoisedoc | no goals == no party :/ | 19:48 |
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| tortoisedoc | im surprised they made it to the final rounds at all | 19:48 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm btw | 19:49 |
| faenil | guys, no italy talk, please | 19:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | faenil : i feel your pain :| | 19:51 |
| faenil | :( | 19:51 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: you an author of debota> | 20:01 |
| coderus | ? | 20:01 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : yes | 20:01 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: so you know how to draw foreground windows? | 20:02 |
| tortoisedoc | I know that sort of, but it is not a secret | 20:02 |
| tortoisedoc | look at the code :) | 20:02 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: sure, show me code please :) | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc | nemo :O | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc | ;O | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc | argh | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc | -> :P :P | 20:03 |
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| tortoisedoc | problem with fg drawing | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc | is mouse handling on qtquick2 | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc | not very easy :/ | 20:04 |
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| faenil | mm what's the problem with foreground drawing? | 20:04 |
| coderus | just show me code | 20:04 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus: debota is closed source for now sorry :P | 20:05 |
| tortoisedoc | but look @ nemo lipstick | 20:05 |
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| coderus | :D | 20:07 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 20:07 |
| tortoisedoc | I could maybe write a tutorial on howto.. | 20:07 |
| tortoisedoc | didnt think of that | 20:08 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus: what you need it for? | 20:08 |
| coderus | just for info :) | 20:08 |
| tortoisedoc | problem with it is that it uses non-public stuff which is not written in stone | 20:08 |
| coderus | you can write article for sailfishdev | 20:08 |
| tortoisedoc | :| | 20:08 |
| tortoisedoc | yes | 20:08 |
| tortoisedoc | if jolla would support me, I could? :P | 20:09 |
| * tortoisedoc hints at jolla guys | 20:09 | |
| tortoisedoc | also I would need more support for other things for debota from jolla | 20:09 |
| tortoisedoc | like possibility to know when notification screen is shown for example | 20:09 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus: you using the app? | 20:10 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm jolla guys | 20:11 |
| tortoisedoc | feedback on qa | 20:11 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: no, i want to make conky-like app for jolla :) | 20:11 |
| tortoisedoc | not accepting files stored in .config via QSettings is kindof hardocre :/ | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc | conky? :P | 20:12 |
| coderus | 02:12 < tortoisedoc> not accepting files stored in .config via QSettings is kindof hardocre :/ wtf? | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : files in .config are accepted only if name of property starts with harbour- | 20:13 |
| tortoisedoc | that's kinda restrictive imo | 20:13 |
| tortoisedoc | but understandable | 20:13 |
| tortoisedoc | *name of property === name of file / folder in .config (sorry | 20:13 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : what is your opinion on ads? | 20:14 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: emm, who cares which QSetting you reading? | 20:16 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus: jolla harbour does:P | 20:16 |
| coderus | how? | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc | (writing not only reading btw :P) | 20:16 |
| coderus | is that possible to check | 20:17 |
| coderus | ? | 20:17 |
| tortoisedoc | one of the reasons for rejection (was not the only one) is that debota stores files in .config/Giuliettasw/.. | 20:17 |
| coderus | so its your bad if you storing your own config in bad location :D | 20:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | :D | 20:18 |
| tortoisedoc | indeed it is | 20:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | im just being very negative cause italy lost :| | 20:19 |
| tortoisedoc | ill stop that now | 20:19 |
| kimmoli | can you stop italy loose ? | 20:20 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : apparently not | 20:20 |
| tortoisedoc | but it doesnt matter anymore anyway :P | 20:20 |
| kimmoli | i dont give a f... | 20:20 |
| gogeta | prandelli sucks and resigned | 20:20 |
| gogeta | so fuck off those girly guys | 20:20 |
| gogeta | kimmoli: hi ... i've found some memory lcd under 30$ | 20:21 |
| tortoisedoc | bah | 20:21 |
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| gogeta | tortoisedoc: betterso | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | i have one app in store with .config/non-harbour, | 20:21 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli :? | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | but it was approved, but "it will not pass next update if i dont change it" | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc | aah | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc | makes sense | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | qa noticed it too late :) | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | and i forgot it completetly | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc | qa from jolla is quite personal :P | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | gogeta: mean sharp stuff ? | 20:23 |
| gogeta | yep | 20:23 |
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| gogeta | but lpm i think is more sexy | 20:24 |
| special | proyvind_: there's noone around oslo | 20:24 |
| * tortoisedoc is going to stop being negative now for real | 20:24 | |
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| tortoisedoc | special : QAbstractEventDispatcher is it usable in sailfishos? | 20:25 |
| kimmoli | gogeta: 2.7" from Mouser 27€/1pc | 20:25 |
| special | tortoisedoc: sure? We use the normal linux glib event loop. nothing weird. | 20:25 |
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| gogeta | http://www.sharpmemorylcd.com/resources/LS027B7DH01_Pre_Spec.pdf | 20:26 |
| gogeta | 404 | 20:26 |
| tortoisedoc | special : thanks | 20:26 |
| kimmoli | just reading that pdf | 20:27 |
| gogeta | from here ? | 20:27 |
| gogeta | http://download.siliconexpert.com/pdfs/2010/12/15/3/28/12/116/shp_/manual/ls027b7dh01_pre_spec.pdf | 20:27 |
| kimmoli | froi here http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/365/LS027B7DH01_Spec-1213.pdf | 20:27 |
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| kimmoli | seems to need 5V, but i have suitable stepup switcher parts already | 20:28 |
| kimmoli | could be easy to interface this in place of the eink | 20:29 |
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| kimmoli | äh, that flex is in really stupid place | 20:31 |
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| special | coderus: haze-accounts-extensions looks great, good work | 20:33 |
| coderus | it looks easy, but thanks | 20:34 |
| coderus | special: but the question was about handling incorrect password | 20:34 |
| coderus | special: is there any way to check that? | 20:34 |
| * special walks away whistling | 20:35 | |
| coderus | :D | 20:35 |
| coderus | ok | 20:35 |
| coderus | i'll just go to sleep now | 20:35 |
| special | theoretically yes, but we haven't written code that would make it possible from settings pages | 20:35 |
| special | because it's a bit complicated and too many things distract me | 20:35 |
| faenil | tbr, come on ;) | 20:36 |
| special | you would need to use tp-qt to look up the tp account matching the libaccounts ID, then read properties of it for connection failures and the reason why | 20:36 |
| special | it's something I will do at some point but.. :| | 20:37 |
| tbr | faenil: no, seriously. I wanted to understand what you are up to and now I'm the bad guy. sorry. nope, noperific, just no. | 20:37 |
| faenil | tbr, I didn't mean any of that | 20:37 |
| faenil | it was just to say that I'm still not getting why you seem to give it so much importance, and after your last msg it seems we can just start from an earlier point, and explain :) | 20:38 |
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| danielbeck | Hello! I created a HTML5 game which I would like to upload to the harbour app store. | 20:45 |
| danielbeck | The game is already running inside qtcreator and in the emulator. I'm however not sure how to pack and upload the game. | 20:46 |
| danielbeck | I started the "complete deployment" in qtcreator, and that created a rpm file named "./build-GreenMahjong-MerSDK_SailfishOS_i486-Release/RPMS/GreenMahjong-1.2.0-1.i486.rpm" | 20:46 |
| danielbeck | is that the file I should upload to the harbour store? | 20:46 |
| danielbeck | (One thing that confuses me is that there is i486 in the name of the file) | 20:46 |
| coderus | danielbeck: you need to switch target to arm and build it again :) | 20:51 |
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| danielbeck | coderus: so that one should be the good one: build-GreenMahjong-MerSDK_SailfishOS_armv7hl-Release/RPMS/GreenMahjong-1.2.0-1.armv7hl.rpm ? | 20:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | special: can I force lock screen on via dbus? | 20:58 |
| special | mce | 20:59 |
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| tortoisedoc | specia : thanks | 21:02 |
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| cvp_ | oh wrong window | 21:12 |
| cvp_ | coderus: icon is missing under created accounts + notification center (if you want change your status) , i reboot, but not help | 21:12 |
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| faenil | chriadam|away, it seems Account -> Google -> Sync is not enough | 22:03 |
| faenil | I see msyncd spiking for a few secs | 22:03 |
| faenil | but then nothing changes | 22:03 |
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| faenil | Aard, do you know how to trigger contacts sync? | 22:07 |
| faenil | (via cli) | 22:07 |
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