| coderus | Almindor: app.installTranslator | 00:05 |
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| Almindor | coderus, thanks! | 00:25 |
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| coderus | Acce: ping | 00:55 |
| coderus | try this one: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/libMer/u10/32/libMer.so | 00:55 |
| coderus | Acce: can be problems if you using emulator | 00:55 |
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| urjaman | the jolla calculator (for normal use it is cool btw) seems to operate with floats ... 32-bit floats. (I was expecting better.) Also a fun printout of "inf": 0x10^2147483647 | 03:52 |
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| Flexman | hi! say will android apps be able to use Bluetooth 4.0 on the Jolla? | 11:22 |
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| tbr | Flexman: I'm not even aware of them being able to use bluetooth in the first place | 11:25 |
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| Flexman | tbr: ouch... ok that means android apps might not be able to use bluetooth at all | 11:29 |
| tbr | if you go looking it sounds like "at some point" | 11:30 |
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| Flexman | tbr: ah ok. seems to be similar to blackberry, they say "Bluetooth: Android applications using Android Bluetooth APIs will now work on BlackBerry 10. Bluetooth Low Energy for Android is planned to be supported in a future OS release. As a reminder, Bluetooth LE is supported in the BlackBerry 10 Native/Cascades SDK." | 11:49 |
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| Acce | coderus: thanks a bunch, works fine! | 12:47 |
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| ShawnMcCool | where can i see a list of properties on the Theme object? | 14:26 |
| ShawnMcCool | or whatever it's called | 14:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | ShawnMcCool: im not sure you can | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | ive never seen one anyway | 14:30 |
| ShawnMcCool | i'm trying to see which properties i can integrate so that i'm not missing something that i shouldn't miss | 14:30 |
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| coderus | Acce: cool :) | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | ShawnMcCool: I can certainly understand why you want such a thing, but im not sure it was ever publicly documented somewhere | 14:32 |
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| coderus | ShawnMcCool: https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes/blob/Sdk1412/Sailfish/Silica/plugins.qmltypes#L613 | 14:32 |
| coderus | this one? | 14:33 |
| ShawnMcCool | beautiful, thanks | 14:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | should really be in the silica api docs, whenever they resurface | 14:34 |
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| ShawnMcCool | there https://gist.github.com/ShawnMcCool/6dbaae88f2701388c519 | 14:39 |
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| Tofe | coderus: glad to see you got your aes128_ctr working | 16:24 |
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| Nokius | anyone knows the time Jolla has the press event tomorrow? | 16:30 |
| Nokius | found it --> March 2, 10am Porta Fira Hotel | 16:32 |
| jaacoppi | In the SDK I'm trying to #include a header from my host system. The Add library wizard includes it okay, and the IDE finds it since mouse hover shows the correct path, but when bulding I get a no such file or directory error. Any ideas? | 16:34 |
| Nokius | wow it looks nice and unlike | 16:34 |
| Nokius | Oh it's during my way to work :( | 16:36 |
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| coderus | Tofe: yeah %) | 17:06 |
| coderus | jaacoppi: you need to install your library to build target scratchbox | 17:07 |
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| cvp_ | Hello, need help, my phone is still in boot loop, is it possible to save my contacts over the shell ? | 18:31 |
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| cvp_ | oh ok i read ...cp /mnt/home/nemo/.vault/People/data/all.vcf /mnt/sd/MyContacts.vcf | 18:32 |
| cvp_ | but cant mount my sd card :( - / # /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt/sd/ => i get this info .................. sh: /dev/mmcblk1p1: Permission denied | 18:35 |
| coderus | you need root of course | 18:36 |
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| cvp_ | coderus, ok, can you explain me how i get root ? please | 18:37 |
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| cvp_ | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202514138-How-to-copy-data-from-Home-to-SD-card-in-Recovery-Mode | 18:39 |
| cvp_ | there is no comments about root | 18:39 |
| cvp_ | crazy now it work | 18:41 |
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| cvp_ | This work...... mount -o subvol=@home /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/home .... but there is no files in ls /mnt/home/nemo/ | 18:48 |
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| coderus | cvp_: ah you in recovery? | 18:49 |
| cvp_ | yes :( | 18:49 |
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| cvp_ | i want save my contacts/files, because my phone is not booting anymore, its in boot loop after using dalvik clean from schturman :( | 18:50 |
| cvp_ | files are not sooo importend, but contacts | 18:50 |
| coderus | mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt | 18:51 |
| coderus | cvp_: i live schturman apps. alvays giving it one star :D | 18:52 |
| coderus | love* | 18:52 |
| coderus | always** :D | 18:53 |
| cvp_ | @ @home @swap factory-@ factory-@home | 18:53 |
| cvp_ | this is now mounted | 18:53 |
| coderus | okay, you have files in @home now? | 18:53 |
| cvp_ | nope :( | 18:53 |
| coderus | really? | 18:53 |
| cvp_ | ls | 18:54 |
| cvp_ | tell me nothing | 18:54 |
| coderus | then your home is purged, congratulations :D | 18:54 |
| coderus | ls -la also nothing? | 18:54 |
| cvp_ | really ? :( | 18:54 |
| cvp_ | drwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 0 Mar 1 2015 . | 18:54 |
| cvp_ | drwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 66 Jan 6 2015 .. | 18:54 |
| coderus | wojust dalvik clean? | 18:54 |
| coderus | wow, just used dalvik clean? | 18:55 |
| cvp_ | yeah | 18:55 |
| cvp_ | phone hangs | 18:55 |
| cvp_ | show me the working ring, and nothing happend anymore.... i take batterie off and than loops | 18:55 |
| cvp_ | damnit.. and i thinkone minit before... come on, i do a manual clean... but no, i will trust a app | 18:56 |
| coderus | ah, sure | 18:57 |
| coderus | rm -rf /opt/alien/* | 18:57 |
| coderus | without umounting | 18:57 |
| coderus | /opt/alien/home/nemo is bind mounted | 18:57 |
| coderus | :D | 18:57 |
| coderus | we will remove that app from warehouse asap | 18:58 |
| cvp_ | so, data are 100% crashed ? and no option for me to save my contacts? | 19:00 |
| coderus | yes, it's purged | 19:02 |
| coderus | app removed | 19:02 |
| coderus | you can repair device by restoring factory-home | 19:03 |
| coderus | but your data is lost | 19:03 |
| coderus | say thanks to schturman | 19:03 |
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| cvp_ | whats the different between subvolid=0 and subvol=@home ? | 19:06 |
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| coderus | id=0 just mounts everything | 19:06 |
| coderus | vol=name mounts named subvolume | 19:07 |
| cvp_ | thanks for the info and help... Option 1 is done.... hell! | 19:09 |
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| Almindor | hello | 19:12 |
| Almindor | is there a way to kill the android processess as nemo (without devel-su)? | 19:12 |
| Almindor | or in other words, can a sailfish OS native app kill an android emulated app? | 19:12 |
| jaacoppi | coderus: how to "install my library to build target scratchbox"? | 19:13 |
| cvp_ | good "old" time: SailfishOS 1.0.0.5 ^^ | 19:13 |
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| coderus | cvp_: y u did so? you could just restore factory home | 19:14 |
| coderus | Higest urgency! Do not use Aliendalvik Cleanup application on U11! https://together.jolla.com/question/84178/higest-urgency-do-not-use-aliendalvik-cleanup-by-schturman-on-112x-u11/ | 19:14 |
| coderus | jaacoppi: you developer or not? | 19:14 |
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| coderus | what the question "how to install"?? | 19:15 |
| Almindor | I noticed that "apkd-launcher" is used to run the android apps | 19:15 |
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| Almindor | but there doesn't seem to be a way to kill them without sudo from the nemo user | 19:15 |
| cvp_ | coderus, ok, for next time i know it :D | 19:16 |
| cvp_ | but its okay to see how sailfish looks like before (Keyboard ...) | 19:16 |
| coderus | cvp_: i told it to you twice :D | 19:16 |
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| coderus | Almindor: no, only root can do it | 19:18 |
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| cvp_ | coderus, an idea... support for two partitions on sd card... one for storage and the second one for raid... mirror system files in to sd card :D | 19:18 |
| Almindor | coderus, that's a problem then | 19:18 |
| coderus | cvp_: :D | 19:18 |
| coderus | Almindor: what the problem? | 19:18 |
| Almindor | coderus, you can kill android apps from within the screen somehow, but no other app will allow you to do it then | 19:18 |
| coderus | Almindor: i can't understand what you mean :D | 19:19 |
| Almindor | coderus, well my app has a list of running processes (or applications) and you can kill them | 19:19 |
| Almindor | coderus, but because the android ones run as non-nemo you can't do it from within the app now | 19:19 |
| Almindor | coderus, but you can somehow do it from the main screen? | 19:19 |
| coderus | Almindor: you need to write your app better then :) | 19:20 |
| Almindor | coderus, is the main screen running with sudo? | 19:20 |
| Almindor | coderus, I can't go around OS limitations | 19:20 |
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| coderus | Almindor: main screen is compositor | 19:21 |
| coderus | it can manage own windows as it wish :) | 19:22 |
| coderus | Almindor: of course you can | 19:22 |
| coderus | you just can't publish it to harbour | 19:22 |
| Almindor | coderus, so in other words, user nemo can run android apps, but user nemo cannot kill android apps | 19:22 |
| Almindor | coderus, that's a bad design | 19:22 |
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| coderus | Almindor: apkd-launcher is just a helper firind dbus events to aliendalvik to srart activity from apk | 19:22 |
| coderus | it not starting anything | 19:22 |
| Almindor | yeah I know it's a VM | 19:23 |
| coderus | Almindor: i'd say you bad developer if starting blaming design | 19:23 |
| Almindor | they should've made apkd-killer | 19:23 |
| coderus | sure | 19:23 |
| coderus | so everybody can kill your processes | 19:23 |
| coderus | what a malware friendly system :D | 19:23 |
| Almindor | everybody can kill your processes already : | 19:23 |
| Almindor | I can kill any sailfish OS native app from my app | 19:24 |
| coderus | if you not disallow to do so :) | 19:24 |
| Almindor | which is perfectly normal | 19:24 |
| Almindor | that's how linux works | 19:24 |
| Almindor | if user A starts process X and Y, they can kill each other | 19:24 |
| coderus | Almindor: i explained how apkd-launcher works | 19:25 |
| Almindor | but now we have user A starting process Z (android launcher) which starts process W (andorid VM with app in it) as user B and user A loses control | 19:25 |
| Almindor | that's bad design | 19:25 |
| coderus | and i see at least some solutions how to kill android process | 19:25 |
| Almindor | I can use suid or other hacks which won't work on the store | 19:25 |
| Almindor | but that's hacking | 19:25 |
| coderus | you just need to think better :) | 19:25 |
| Almindor | no, I don't want to hack | 19:26 |
| coderus | programming is always hacking, not? | 19:26 |
| Almindor | I want to be able to use it on the store | 19:26 |
| Almindor | no | 19:26 |
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| Almindor | hacking is just that | 19:26 |
| coderus | or you programming weak | 19:26 |
| Almindor | workarounds for bad designs | 19:26 |
| coderus | oaky | 19:26 |
| Almindor | programming is proper design | 19:26 |
| coderus | let it be so | 19:26 |
| coderus | everybody will stay with own opinion | 19:26 |
| coderus | thats even better :) | 19:26 |
| Almindor | I won't argue with that :) if it was programming, they'd accept it in the store :P | 19:27 |
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| coderus | you should always programming hard and do not stop if one of ways blocking you | 19:29 |
| coderus | but it's my humble opinion only | 19:29 |
| Almindor | if you allow people to start android apps as one user they should be able to stop them too, that's my opinion | 19:29 |
| Almindor | and sailfish OS has a lot of problems still it's a young OS | 19:29 |
| coderus | it's one of your best thoughts now :) | 19:31 |
| Almindor | are there sources or documentation for apkd? | 19:33 |
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| coderus | no idea | 19:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | you sure the apkd doesnt have a dbus method that kills the process? | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | seems like something it should have | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | watch dbus when you close an android app, you might find what you need | 19:40 |
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| Almindor | r0kk3rz, yes I thought about that, hence the question. Good idea to watch it, I've also asked about that in the devel list | 19:41 |
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| Almindor | r0kk3rz, it also makes sense since composer killing the process isn't exactly a clean way of doing it I think | 19:42 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: yes, i checked it | 19:42 |
| coderus | Almindor: doesn't clean how composer kills processes? | 19:43 |
| coderus | "I gave birth to you, I'll kill you" < this way | 19:43 |
| Acce | a parent should never see their child go to grave :< | 19:45 |
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| codebam | for grouper on the wiki page it says that the headphone jack doesnt work, but on the xda thread it doesnt say that. does it work, or not? | 19:46 |
| coderus | codebam: #sailfishos-porters please :) | 19:47 |
| codebam | coderus: thanks | 19:47 |
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| codebam | what would be considered an official device? | 19:50 |
| coderus | i don't understand your question :) | 19:51 |
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| codebam | oh. nvm jolla phone | 19:51 |
| codebam | coderus: like a device that isnt being ported | 19:51 |
| coderus | Almindor: also in u11 android moved to chroot, because of that you can't kill processes of android from nemo, more security not to allow android apps to modify your system :) | 19:52 |
| coderus | codebam: :) | 19:52 |
| codebam | what kernel is sailfish os using? | 19:52 |
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| codebam | cm kernel? | 19:54 |
| codebam | so does it have the caf patches? | 19:55 |
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| codebam | it says it supports android apps. up to what sdk? | 19:56 |
| codebam | KK? | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | what kernel depends on what device | 19:57 |
| r0kk3rz | all the ports are using cm kernels | 19:57 |
| jaacoppi | codebam: I just don't understand what you mean with "build target scratchbox" | 19:57 |
| jaacoppi | eh, coderus I mean | 19:58 |
| coderus | codebam: jolla phone using Linux Jolla 3.4.98.20141219.1.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Feb 4 12:18:39 UTC 2015 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux | 19:58 |
| coderus | android support is aliendalvik 4.1.2 | 19:58 |
| coderus | jaacoppi: install package contains your library development files/headers to build engine | 19:59 |
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| Nokius_ | nn | 20:18 |
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| Almindor | hmm is the Silica documentation lost now or did they archive it somewhere? | 21:04 |
| codebam | coderus: ah cool. you make a ton of the apps I see :) | 21:08 |
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| coderus | Almindor: only in internet web archive :) | 21:16 |
| coderus | now docs only in qtc | 21:16 |
| Almindor | see? another bad design decision :P | 21:16 |
| Almindor | http://jollaphone.eu/?p=3641 I guess | 21:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | i believe the docs will return | 21:19 |
| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/78890/official-announcement-sailfishosorg-site-renewal/ | 21:19 |
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| coderus | yeh it was handy on site, but i myself do not need it anymore | 21:25 |
| coderus | as i always using qtc | 21:25 |
| coderus | its good to have online docs for people who writing in python , etc | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: yeah, it really sucks the docs are not online | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | I've had to resort to reading the SIlica source code from the GitHub mirror tbr made :D | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | (https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5) | 21:27 |
| tbr | I haven't updated that in a while though :/ | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | would be nice to do that ;-) | 21:28 |
| M4rtinK | it was really handy when I was working on the multi platform top menu for Universal Components | 21:29 |
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| coderus | mine qmls are from u11 :) | 21:42 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes | 21:42 |
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| CardenalJimenez | Hi | 21:52 |
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| CardenalJimenez | Anyone knows where to find valuable infos on the stuff that replaced Xwindow in Jolla? Installing, configuring, testing...? | 21:59 |
| Nicd- | wayland is used in place of X | 22:00 |
| CardenalJimenez | Seems that I'm unable to find what replaced X.conf & startx in my Emulator VM | 22:00 |
| Nicd- | http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ | 22:00 |
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| CardenalJimenez | nicd, I've read wayland do not replace whole X server on its own | 22:01 |
| CardenalJimenez | smth like weston is needed too | 22:01 |
| Nicd- | yes | 22:01 |
| CardenalJimenez | so there's weston on Jolla too? | 22:01 |
| Nicd- | dunno what compositor is used in sailfish but weston would be a good guess | 22:02 |
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| CardenalJimenez | would you have any more Jolla-centric link than wayland project site? | 22:02 |
| Nicd- | I don't | 22:02 |
| CardenalJimenez | alright | 22:03 |
| CardenalJimenez | I4ll start there :) | 22:03 |
| Nicd- | maybe https://sailfishos.org/develop/hadk/ would help when looking into the internals of sailfish | 22:03 |
| CardenalJimenez | yep, seems good to | 22:04 |
| CardenalJimenez | found out that Wayland compositor is "lipstick" in Jolla | 22:05 |
| CardenalJimenez | proprietary btw | 22:05 |
| CardenalJimenez | knew that before, forgot it already twice :) | 22:05 |
| Nicd- | ah, so lipstick is the compositor too | 22:06 |
| Nicd- | looks like the lipstick code is here: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick | 22:07 |
| Nicd- | LGPL | 22:07 |
| coderus | sailfish using lipstick, yes | 22:08 |
| coderus | lipstick is free | 22:08 |
| coderus | just sailfish homescreen is proprietary | 22:08 |
| CardenalJimenez | ok | 22:08 |
| CardenalJimenez | my mistake | 22:08 |
| coderus | you can replace it with glacier home for example | 22:08 |
| coderus | same lipstick with different homescreen | 22:09 |
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| CardenalJimenez | coderus: , any valuable doc on lipstick you know? | 22:10 |
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| sakustar | does factory reset work after i manage to break hosts and iptables etc | 22:22 |
| sakustar | or should i backup an empty device :p | 22:23 |
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| coderus | CardenalJimenez: what you mean? | 22:30 |
| coderus | sakustar: you need to stay in conversation to receive answers in irc :) | 22:31 |
| CardenalJimenez | coderus : do you know any documentation regarding lipstick - running, configuration...? | 22:31 |
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| coderus | CardenalJimenez: no i don't know | 22:34 |
| CardenalJimenez | ok | 22:34 |
| coderus | but if you know what are you looking for exactly it can be found | 22:34 |
| CardenalJimenez | I'm looking at how to configure & manually run Xwindow on Sailfish Emulator | 22:36 |
| CardenalJimenez | Since Xwindow has been replaced with Wayland+Lipstick by Jolla, I'm a bit lost | 22:36 |
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| ikarus | CardenalJimenez: you don't Xwayland sort of runs partially | 22:37 |
| coderus | you need to build and run xwayland | 22:38 |
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| CardenalJimenez | I did not express myself properly | 22:38 |
| CardenalJimenez | let me retry | 22:39 |
| coderus | YOU CAN'T RUN X | 22:39 |
| coderus | you can run X layer in wayland using xwayland | 22:39 |
| CardenalJimenez | i want to manually configure & run window interface on SailfishEmulator | 22:40 |
| CardenalJimenez | forget about Xwindow | 22:40 |
| CardenalJimenez | so how, do I run what has replaced X? | 22:40 |
| coderus | wayland replaced X | 22:41 |
| coderus | but i still don't understand what you mean by "manually" | 22:41 |
| CardenalJimenez | from command line | 22:41 |
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| coderus | everything using systemd | 22:43 |
| coderus | you need to discover sequence yourself | 22:43 |
| CardenalJimenez | i'm trying | 22:44 |
| CardenalJimenez | lipstick -platform wayland(-egl) | 22:44 |
| CardenalJimenez | but I get | 22:44 |
| CardenalJimenez | Failed to create display (no such file or directory) | 22:44 |
| coderus | start with /usr/lib/systemd/user/lipstick.service | 22:45 |
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| coderus | so, your compositor on emulator died and you trying to know why? | 22:45 |
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| CardenalJimenez | in that case yes | 22:46 |
| coderus | lol, tell that before asking some other stuff :D | 22:46 |
| coderus | did you checked sudo reboot workaround? | 22:46 |
| CardenalJimenez | more broadly, I'm trying to understand how windowing system works on jolla | 22:46 |
| coderus | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10493903 | 22:47 |
| CardenalJimenez | & lipstick.service gives me permission denied while I'm logged in as root | 22:47 |
| coderus | CardenalJimenez: permission denied on what? | 22:47 |
| coderus | you trying to execute service file, right? | 22:47 |
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| CardenalJimenez | yep | 22:48 |
| coderus | okay | 22:48 |
| CardenalJimenez | is it clear for you I'm on emulator VM ? | 22:48 |
| coderus | it doesn't matter much | 22:49 |
| coderus | it's clear for me you trying to execute service file :) | 22:49 |
| coderus | and i'm going to sleep now | 22:50 |
| coderus | you need systemctl for starting systemd services | 22:50 |
| coderus | and journalctl for reading systemd logs | 22:50 |
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| CardenalJimenez | "failed to get d-bus connection" | 22:50 |
| CardenalJimenez | ok | 22:50 |
| CardenalJimenez | good night | 22:50 |
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| CardenalJimenez | that's what I've been asking for the past friggin' hour | 22:54 |
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| CardenalJimenez | how to you start stuff and get info in that environment? | 22:54 |
| CardenalJimenez | startup doesn't look like anything traditional Linux or BSD | 22:55 |
| CardenalJimenez | is there not any documentation, or base system doc that on can refer to? | 22:55 |
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| coderus | read systemd docs | 23:06 |
| coderus | its generic | 23:06 |
| CardenalJimenez | yep | 23:08 |
| CardenalJimenez | sawy that | 23:08 |
| CardenalJimenez | *saw | 23:08 |
| CardenalJimenez | well, Debian-generic... | 23:08 |
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