Tuesday, 2015-06-23

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BBLobsterHi06:14
carepackgood morning06:16
BBLobsterIs there any way to cache images downloaded via url in Image component?06:17
carepack?06:17
BBLobsterI have chat messenger where all users have avatars. At every start of my app I have to download those images with takes a lot of time06:18
BBLobsterBut those avatars dont change frequent06:19
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BBLobsterSo may be someone already implemented such component that cached images?06:21
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chriadamBBLobster: it's not supported API for third party developers, but there is https://github.com/nemomobile/libsocialcache which implements something very similar.06:22
chriadambut you can't merely use Image elements, unfortunately.06:22
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BBLobsterthanks, it is look like what I need06:31
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Armadillodoesn't the http client respect the caching times form the http headers?06:48
Armadillo*from06:48
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coderusBBLobster: make your own cache07:21
coderusit's best idea to cache your images to standardpath cache location07:21
coderuscreate image provider with caching07:22
chriadam^ that's the best solution, yes.07:25
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Armadillodamn07:38
ArmadilloI forgot to save my old harbour changelog07:39
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coderusArmadillo: thats why there is spec changelog entries for good maintainers, who cares :D07:54
Armadillo^^07:55
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Armadillomaybe there's a way to dump it on the device as the new version still is in qa07:56
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coderusget it from jolla store on device?07:58
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Armadilloin the store client yes, but how to extract?08:03
TemeVArmadillo: with screenshot :p08:04
Armadillolol08:04
TemeVand then you can use the ocr app in store08:04
Armadillohm well, worth a try :D08:04
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locusfha08:04
Armadillohm no, doesn't work08:07
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onlawould it be possible to install one of the tox clients to the jolla phone without much trouble? They have multiple clients for linux (toxic, qtox, utox..) android client antox etc. https://wiki.tox.im/Binaries08:54
Nicd-there is one in openrepos08:56
Nicd-https://openrepos.net/content/krobelus/cyanide08:56
onlaah thanks08:57
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onlaThen I am looking for an app that connects with textsecure on android and signal on IOS. I find some mitakuuluu3 but not sure if that is such09:15
Nicd-mitäkuuluu3 is a whatsapp client09:16
Nicd-it supports textsecure as that is what whatsapp uses for encryption09:16
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onlayep yep. So no luck there. I heard some of the android apps work on jolla, so maybe that could work? Also the source code of textsecure/signal is open source, but a company called open whispers is developing it, so I don't know if I could do a fork of it to jolla09:19
Nicd-depends on the licence of the code09:20
Nicd-most android apps that don't use google services work fine09:20
Nicd-if they do use google services, you need to install gapps before using thme09:20
Nicd-them*09:20
onlaI see09:22
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coderusArmadillo: parch store-client qml and add button to copy changelog to clipboard :)10:41
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Armadillolol10:41
Armadillonot bad10:41
Armadillobut I copied it already "manually" :)10:42
coderus:D10:42
Armadillonext time I'll try your solution ;D10:42
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tortoisedoccould someone help my understanding of invoker?12:46
tortoisedocwhat's the point for the -n command line switch?12:46
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SfietKonstantinWtortoisedoc: without -n invoker will wait for the window (?) to appear before quitting12:51
SfietKonstantinWbut with -n it is "fire and forget"12:52
SfietKonstantinWno-matter if the spawned process has died, or shown anything12:52
tortoisedocSfietKonstantinW : ok i see, so -n is for "use booster like it would not be a booster"12:52
SfietKonstantinWno it is12:52
SfietKonstantinWbut you don't have any control of "if the application have been boosted"12:53
SfietKonstantinWeh12:53
SfietKonstantinWno if the boosted application have succeded12:53
SfietKonstantinWor even launched12:53
SfietKonstantinWyou can boost an app that have cannot find a shared library12:53
SfietKonstantinWif without -n, booster will wait for the app to fail12:53
SfietKonstantinW(and maybe return an error code)12:53
SfietKonstantinWwith -n invoker don't care12:54
tortoisedocSfietKonstantinW : ok thanks12:55
tortoisedocI think I still do not completely see the use of this12:55
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SfietKonstantinWme neither :D12:56
SfietKonstantinWdon't use it ?12:56
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onlaWhy is jolla's tech department needed for such simple and important thing on an open source OS like this https://together.jolla.com/question/18957/difficult-to-use-the-phone-in-bright-sunlight-need-for-blackwhite-and-or-high-contrast-ambience/12:58
Nicd-onla: because the UI is not open source I presume13:00
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onlais the UI comparable to desktop environment in desktop pc. I am not the smartest man out there, but I am trying to figure out which parts here are closed :) I guess it has to do with the touch screen interacting with the OS, but hmm13:11
onlalike linux has the distro, then the window manager e.g. X, then DE, then window manager13:11
onlaoops13:11
Vae_DuckZsince when I moved to italy I have the same problem13:12
Vae_DuckZsunlight is so much stronger than in north europe here13:13
onladistro -> window system -> destkop env. -> window manager .. or maybe not13:13
TemeVonla: it is not that straight forward comparison to desktop Linux, but basically Jolla's default apps and top layer of "desktop environment" is closed13:15
TemeVAnd there is some rumors of Jolla open sourcing more13:16
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onlathey would attract more if they could advertise it similarly as neo900 could I guess, and what they would only lose is others stealing their UI? Don't ya think total open sourceness is a bigger asset than that UI being unique in the market13:20
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onlacheap phone with good specs compared to that neo13:20
onlabut maybe that neo has something more that the hacker likes though but anyway13:22
TemeVonla: this matter has been discussed quazillion times :) Even every Jolla employer want's to open source it13:22
onlaoh heh13:23
TemeVAnd it will happen when it is economically possible13:23
TemeVJolla is a company after all, and main purpose of a company is to make money13:23
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coderuslicensing, patents and other stuff should be done to allow usage on some conditions.13:29
onlawonder if there are many issues like that sunlight problem, where users are left handcuffed for one and a half year. Guess not many that seem this important I guess13:29
chem|stcoderus: no patents please...13:30
chem|stonla: auto brightness is far away from important13:30
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onlaI understood that the problem is that you can't get it bright like you get iphone or one of the android phones even manually from the settings. Just bringing it up, cus this issue would affect me quite much too :)13:33
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TemeVwell, poor display is quite common problem with phones13:34
onlaguess even that problem's importance is subjective tho13:34
chem|stonla: that is not true, I use it on manual brightness because it stays dark for too long when I pull it out of my pocket, sure transreflective would be nice... but wfm13:34
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onlaand you could read on sunlight as well as with another phone?13:36
chem|stto not have transreflective screens in >2010 on a phone is a bad choice of display, you may say that display manufacturers should not offer something else though!13:36
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chem|stonla: I can read well, N9 or n900 screens are better in sunlight, others I do not compare, I will not downgrade for a screen feature13:37
chem|sts/screen/display/13:37
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onlawhat I understood, that one can't make a theme that would allow you to choose the font or use a bolded font without jolla tech team working on it13:39
chem|stmy brightness is around 40% btw... my ambiance is high contrast though, and direct sunlight needs some >60%, well lets try that...13:39
TemeVonla: problem for them is black on white theme is not possible without hacking something13:40
chem|stmy brightness was at 20% of that slider, text is already readable in direct sunlight, above 60% is getting good and 100% is just fine!13:41
coderusTemeV: what is the problem? start this project, and if any issues we can help then :)13:41
TemeVcoderus: the background is "dimmed"13:41
TemeVif you create a white ambiance, it will show up as darkish grey13:42
TemeVthat feature would have to be disabled somehow. I guess it is not too difficult, but I'm not really interested on hacking it.13:43
TemeVI actually like that feature and don't have any problems reading in sunlight13:43
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onlahere I learned about the problem, quite recent :/ https://psyq123.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/why-im-switching-from-jollas-sailfish-os-back-to-cyanogenmod-for-now/13:45
coderusTemeV: dconf write /desktop/jolla/background/portrait/app_picture_filename $(dconf read /desktop/jolla/background/portrait/home_picture_filename) this one is *hck*?13:45
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TemeVcoderus: what does that do?13:49
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tortoisedocso how many devs have gotten tablets yet=?14:24
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daithefludid they start shipping them ?!14:31
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coderusTemeV: replaces glow background with normal one14:44
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TemeVcoderus: ok, I didn't think it would be that easy :)14:49
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Mikkossssscoderus: did my pm work?15:18
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onlathat dconf by coderus fixes the sunlight issue?15:28
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TemeVcoderus: that seems to only change the blurring of the image, it still gets darker15:31
TemeVthough black on white ambience seems te be disaster anyway. I cons etc are always white, their color would have to be changed also15:32
TemeV*Icons, not I cons :)15:32
* nib_ managed to use phone in shadow when too much light15:36
nib_n900 was not so ideal too in this case:)15:36
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chem|sttortoisedoc: SOON™, AGAIN® & LATE©15:47
tortoisedocchem|st : CANTWAIT(r)15:48
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chem|sttortoisedoc: are you among the tab-devs?15:50
chem|stif not, why bother? for sure they are all NDAed15:52
daithefluchem|st: we should actually register those in the name of Jolla :D15:53
chem|stdaitheflu: register where?15:54
daithefluchem|st: OHMI15:56
chem|st?15:56
tortoisedocOHMI?15:57
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chem|stdaitheflu: ah you mean we shoult register SOON™, AGAIN® & LATE© with the OHMI15:57
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daithefluchem|st: yes, sorry, it wasn't clear15:58
chem|stif you got 5keur spare...15:58
chem|stand have a "product" to show15:58
chem|stoh well it might be less ~750eur per ™15:59
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chem|stif you register all at once you may save some more15:59
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daithefluyes, I know how it works, I'm working for a trademark attorneys firm ;)16:04
tortoisedocwe could make jolla t-shirts with them printed on them16:04
tortoisedocalthough im not sure the sailors might actually  be impressed :D16:04
daithefluI'm pretty sure that would make them laugh16:07
daithefluwell I hope so :)16:07
tortoisedocso16:07
tortoisedocwe only need to figure out how to get their consent to have the jolla logo and we are set :)16:08
coderusTemeV: replace sailfish pattern image with empty one ot patch Wallpaper.qml16:09
coderusor*16:09
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tathhudaitheflu tortoisedoc  dudees :D16:15
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daitheflutathhu: sorry, what does that mean ?16:18
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daithefluwell I've got to go, bye !16:22
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tortoisedoctathhu : you on this too? :P16:23
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tortoisedociekku : ping16:34
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tortoisedocdang shes not here :P16:40
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olpeWhat's the android version on sailfish18:49
coderus4.1.2 afaik18:49
olpeok. too low then...18:50
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onlacoderus: if you have a solution, could you post it here, or are you just pondering whether it is the solution :s or just not bothering to post there yet https://together.jolla.com/question/18957/difficult-to-use-the-phone-in-bright-sunlight-need-for-blackwhite-and-or-high-contrast-ambience/20:00
onlabut quite nice really, if you actually have a solution suddenly so quickly to something that has been up there for quite some time 'p20:01
onla:)20:01
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onlaI am in the midst of simulating all my current mobile phone use cases and see if I'd be lacking with jolla somewhere to know if I gonna get myself one20:03
onlaso that would get a check too20:03
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onlathis one I am using daily http://wars.fm/go9 very popular online go server on mobile phones. The game itself not that popular outside europe so might sound strange20:05
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onlaThat one has a website version too so maybe okay then. And the textsecure/signal is the other, I should solve, oh well20:06
Nokiusolpe coderus it looks like soon 4.4 saw it on the raodmap iirc20:07
TemeVNokius: I think so too. I was just looking for a source :)20:07
TemeV" Intel support for Android runtime along with upgrade to version 4.4.4 - alpha version" is impelemnted, not released20:08
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NokiusTemeV: arch me to slow20:09
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locusfI guess coderus replied the underlying android that powers Jolla phone20:09
TemeVSeems like sailfish 2.0 thing, at least not yet with next upgrade20:09
TemeVhttps://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-June/006277.html20:10
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Nokiuslocusf: may20:10
locusfNokius: ?20:12
Nokiusmay be this was the question20:13
locusfok :)20:13
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