======================================================================== #mer-meeting: SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 27-May @ 15:00 UTC ======================================================================== Meeting started by cybette at 15:00:16 UTC. The full logs are available at http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-27-15.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Welcome to another week of SailfishOS OSS and collaboration meeting (cybette, 15:00:26) * Meeting info and agenda: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004409.html (cybette, 15:00:33) * Brief introductions (5 min), prefix your information with #info (cybette, 15:01:00) * Andrea Bernabei, nemomobile contributor & Jolla user (faenil, 15:01:24) * Carol Chen, Community chief at Jolla, hatless meeting chair today (would be nice to wear a hat sometimes, hint hint) (cybette, 15:01:24) * Simonas Leleiva, nemomobile community and jolla sailor (sledges, 15:01:57) * David Greaves; Mer guy and sailor (lbt, 15:02:06) * Kimmo Lindholm, community member, user, toh-hw developer (kimmoli, 15:02:08) * Jozef Mlich - foursail developer, CZ&SK community member (xmlich02, 15:02:11) * Iekku Pylkk�, Head of Developer Affairs @ Jolla, Nemo & Mer community member (iekku, 15:02:22) * Lucien XU, sailfish dev, Jolla user, Nemo contributor (a bit) (SK_work, 15:02:29) * Thomas Perl; Sailor and community member (thp, 15:02:33) * Steph Gosling, community (stephg, 15:02:49) * LINK: irc://irc.FreeNode.org:6667/#info Chris Lamb community member (FlyingSheep, 15:03:01) * Tom Swindell, Sailor and community member. (alterego, 15:03:04) * Martin Kolman, community developer ( modRana navigation system) (M4rtinK, 15:03:26) * Steve Jayna, Infrastructure @ Jolla (sdjayna, 15:03:50) * Javier S. Pedro, community (javispedro, 15:03:54) * Sebastian Meyer, community member (netzvieh, 15:04:06) * Francesco Vaccaro, Jolla Community Italia admin, first time here (fravaccaro, 15:04:16) * Fabio Isgrò , sysadmin ... and Jolla phone breaker (dr_gogeta86, 15:04:43) * Pami Ketolainen, the bugzilla guy and t.j.c developer/admin @ Jolla (pketolai, 15:04:50) * Robin Burchell, Qt/MW hacker at Jolla and wider open source community (w00t, 15:04:55) * Tomi Virtanen, Sailor / swtester @Jolla, first time here (cobu, 15:05:14) * Yuvraaj Kelkar Jolla community (uvatbc, 15:05:24) * Eric Le Roux, bugzilla & t.j.c admin (eleroux, 15:05:40) * Denis Zalevskiy, Jolla, engineer (deztructor, 15:06:08) * Need for separate mailing list or forum? (15 min) (cybette, 15:06:25) * There has been active discussions on the need/advantages/disadvantages of having a separate mailing list (for non-technical topics), a forum, or improving current tools. (cybette, 15:06:33) * Current situation: Developer mailing list is polluted with topics shouldn't be handled there. As David Greaves pointed out: "How would we (community, not Jolla) determine the line? and what measures do we think should be taken?" (SK_work, 15:12:01) * Problem 1: No clear agreed rules for mailing list. (SK_work, 15:12:17) * Problem 2: Currently only Jolla employers are moderator. The "moderators" only moderate things like obvious spam, emails posted by non-list-member, etc. but not for off-topic content (SK_work, 15:12:33) * ACTION: : elect community moderators (SK_work, 15:22:39) * ACTION: iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems you stated (iekku, 15:22:47) * ACTION: iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems she stated (iekku, 15:23:04) * ACTION: : send application to developer-care@ for application as a modetaror (SK_work, 15:23:26) * ACTION: iekku to create pad for mailing list rules (iekku, 15:24:37) * this topic to be continued... (cybette, 15:24:54) * How to manage internal hacking docs (30 min) (cybette, 15:24:59) * discuss about how to manage "hacker docs", internal doc that can be helpful when hacking a component (cybette, 15:25:18) * right now it's difficult for new-comers to Mer/Nemo to find out about what is Mer/Nemo and how to contribute. need better middleware docs to bring in more contributors (cybette, 15:32:19) * it could be nice to have guides the people into the structure of Nemo/Mer (SK_work, 15:34:00) * <+lbt> erm .. we'll officially support autodoc based documentation efforts :) (SK_work, 15:39:42) * Let's wrap up: same status as previous meeting. Jolla will publish its documentation which is autodoc-based (faenil, 15:50:15) * once that documentation is published we'll see its quality, what's missing etc and take actions based on that (faenil, 15:50:35) * ACTION: Aard is working on making the autodoc docs public (faenil, 15:50:58) * [17:53] <+Aard> faenil: I said several times that overview page of modules will come from me (SK_work, 15:53:43) * More docs: Silica API reference (15 min) (cybette, 15:56:40) * discuss about pain points, weakness of the doc, what to enhance (from Jolla side), how to contribute (from community side) (cybette, 15:56:47) * 1. Silica API reference docs are pretty hard to use if you are new to QML, and haven't done other QML dev (sledges, 15:59:45) * 1.1 Many components exists, but you have hard time to find methods etc (sledges, 16:00:08) * faenil: no. we're still working on some changes to make coordinating that kind of work more efficient, the ETA for that is '2 weeks'. after that I hope we'll be able to give more reliable times (Aard, 16:00:55) * 2. proposal on ML to include screenshots in docs, what would you think about it? (sledges, 16:01:00) * Silica docs can be improved: 1. more examples ? 2. screenshots ? 3. contributed notes ? (SK_work, 16:01:03) * proposal on ML to include screenshots in silica reference has several supporting votes https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/thread.html#4277 (cybette, 16:04:04) * LINK: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-application-pitfalls.html (SK_work, 16:06:26) * LINK: https://developer.blackberry.com/native/documentation/cascades/ (faenil, 16:10:28) * <+thp> ok, so the C++ <-> QML integration thing has been brought up several times, this is something we should definitely have (cybette, 16:10:47) * ACTION: Jolla developer-care to look into making contribution easier with Silica doc improvements (cybette, 16:12:36) * Bluetooth in Sailfish (10 min) (cybette, 16:13:17) * ACTION: maybe ask the community tow contribute some docs (QML + C++, screenshots) etc. (SK_work, 16:13:18) * Discuss current problems with Bluetooth in Sailfish, possible directions for the future, and how it affects the developer picture (cybette, 16:13:31) * javispedro notices 3 problems: 1. lack of public developer API for Bluetooth, 2. Sailfish & Mer use Bluez4 which is dead upstream, 3. misc bugs in Jolla HW/Adaptation layer preventing some use cases e.g. wifi coexistance (cybette, 16:16:21) * on my todo-list to figure out if we can compensate by utilizing community to help us there (sledges, 16:18:56) * bluez5 is on Aard's todo-list to figure out if we can compensate by utilizing community to help us there (sledges, 16:19:19) * QtBluetooth may be usable as an abstraction point; needs API verification to make sure a possible 4/5 split won't break things (w00t, 16:22:28) * w00tikins will follow up with ablasche (qtbluetooth maintainer) (w00t, 16:24:28) * Update about chum repos progress if any (3 min) (cybette, 16:24:47) * xmlich02 and M4rtinK offering to help with chum (cybette, 16:27:51) * ETA for paid-apps support on Store (2 min!) (cybette, 16:28:24) * Some devs are not uploading apps to Harbour due to lack of support of paid-apps (cybette, 16:30:16) * Status during june and paid apps 2H 2014 (SK_work, 16:31:25) * current ETA for stats in harbour is june (iekku, 16:31:31) * Next meeting (cybette, 16:34:42) * Next meeting Tues June-3 @ 10:00 UTC (cybette, 16:37:52) * LINK: http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings (stephg, 16:40:34) * netzvieh chairperson for next meeting (cybette, 16:40:37) Meeting ended at 16:41:04 UTC. Action Items ------------ * : elect community moderators * iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems you stated * iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems she stated * : send application to developer-care@ for application as a modetaror * iekku to create pad for mailing list rules * Aard is working on making the autodoc docs public * Jolla developer-care to look into making contribution easier with Silica doc improvements * maybe ask the community tow contribute some docs (QML + C++, screenshots) etc. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Aard * Aard is working on making the autodoc docs public * iekku * iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems you stated * iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems she stated * iekku to create pad for mailing list rules * **UNASSIGNED** * : elect community moderators * : send application to developer-care@ for application as a modetaror * Jolla developer-care to look into making contribution easier with Silica doc improvements * maybe ask the community tow contribute some docs (QML + C++, screenshots) etc. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * SK_work (159) * faenil (100) * cybette (84) * iekku (56) * lbt (53) * javispedro (43) * sledges (42) * Aard (35) * AL13N_work (30) * kimmoli (29) * M4rtinK (24) * stephg (22) * deztructor (18) * thp (18) * w00t (15) * meegobit (14) * netzvieh (11) * dr_gogeta86 (10) * xmlich02 (7) * fravaccaro (7) * FlyingSheep (6) * alterego (4) * Sage_ (3) * Merbot` (2) * sdjayna (2) * cobu (2) * Stskeeps (2) * eleroux (2) * uvatbc (1) * Wnt (1) * pketolai (1) * nazanin (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings