========================================================================= #mer-meeting: SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 03-June @ 10:00 UTC ========================================================================= Meeting started by netzvieh at 10:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-06-03-10.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Welcome to another week of SailfishOS OSS and collaboration meeting (netzvieh, 10:00:05) * Meeting info and agenda: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004454.html (netzvieh, 10:00:05) * Brief introductions (5 min), prefix your information with #info (netzvieh, 10:00:11) * Sebastian Meyer, normally community member, hatless chair today (netzvieh, 10:00:18) * Thomas Ruecker, community member, pushes open source and sometimes chum topics (tbr, 10:00:47) * David Greaves - Mer guy and sailor (lbt, 10:01:02) * Simonas Leleiva, member and sailor (sledges, 10:01:03) * Philippe De Swert, sailor (phdeswer, 10:01:15) * Tommi Keisala, Jolla user and community member (JvD_, 10:01:22) * Steph Gosling, community (stephg, 10:01:38) * Mikko Ahlroth, Jolla user, community member, developer of SailTime (Nicd-, 10:02:05) * Artem Marchenko: Flashlight, Quick Launcher, Night Silence, HelloWorld Pro, etc. Managing iOS and Android apps and mobile sites in day time job. Mostly watching meeting for signs of commercial opportunities hoping to provide a greedy 3rd party dev perspective. (artemma, 10:02:07) * Andrey Kozhevnikov, indie developer, opensource contributor (coderus, 10:02:22) * Leszek Lesner, community member, jolla user, developer (leszek, 10:02:23) * Islam Amer, sailor (phaeron, 10:02:47) * Val�rio, open source contributor, sailor, mostly lurking today (VDVsx, 10:03:03) * Steve Jayna, Infrastructure @ Jolla (sdjayna, 10:03:11) * Karl Granström, sailor (grande, 10:03:17) * Carol Chen, Community bunny @ Jolla (cybette, 10:03:33) * Iekku Pylkkä, Head of Developer Affairs @ Jolla, visiting doctor and will join meeting as soon as she can (cybette, 10:03:52) * Aaron McCarthy, Position/Location, Connectivity, @ Jolla (amccarthy, 10:04:09) * Marko Saukko, sailor (Sage_, 10:04:13) * Niels Breet, Store/services/infra @ Jolla (xfade_, 10:04:16) * Harbour and SailfishOS apps compatibility (30 min) (netzvieh, 10:05:05) * Andrea Bernabei, nemomobile contributor with BIG adsl issues (faenil, 10:05:10) * Basil Semuonov, developer (BasilSemuonov, 10:05:54) * LINK: line 27 http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings (or the one starting with "Harbour & SailfishOS apps compatibil...") (sledges, 10:06:52) * Statement: Problem with SailfishOS fragmentation is coming. Harbour/Store is not prepared for it. (BasilSemuonov, 10:07:38) * Possible solutions: for SailfishOS itself: Introduce core meta packet(s) with sfos version, which, maybe, depend on target device(or its specs), so apps can depend on it. (BasilSemuonov, 10:08:44) * read full logs for detailed description (cybette, 10:08:50) * for Habour: Add target SailfishOS version/device specs for application, while publishing. (BasilSemuonov, 10:09:02) * API based filtering is in the works on store side (cybette, 10:12:57) * I submit app with sdl support to harbour. it okay with sfos version >= 1.0.6.x and does not work with 1.0.5.x (netzvieh, 10:27:37) * BasilSemuonov: then you will not see it on 1.0.5.x in Store. That is what we are currently working on (netzvieh, 10:28:04) * harbour automatic checking which sfos version an app supports (netzvieh, 10:29:47) * Update on ambiences and icon themes (10 min) (netzvieh, 10:32:02) * this was an action point for iekku on 2014-05-13 (netzvieh, 10:32:02) * LINK: http://www.merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-13-10.00.html (netzvieh, 10:32:02) * study is ongoing (iekku, 10:32:19) * Ambiences basically need to have the ambience template added to the SDK. There is a planned task for that. (netzvieh, 10:33:29) * ambiences currently cannot by definition pass the current validator (netzvieh, 10:34:26) * Probably needs work on lipstick to properly support icon themes. (netzvieh, 10:38:40) * in theory we do have proper icon theme support there (minus ability to switch without reboot), we just didn't test it for a very loooong time. (netzvieh, 10:40:27) * Software sources and packages management build into system (10 min) (netzvieh, 10:42:18) * Software sources and packages management build into system (coderus, 10:43:18) * summary from coderus: 1. UI for managing installed packages. Users should have option to check installed packages versions,informatino about maintainers and all existing information (cybette, 10:50:59) * 2. 3rd party repositories not handled automatically. Packages refresh updating only Harbour repo and not affect 3rd party ones. User will never get upgrade notification (cybette, 10:51:11) * <+xfade_> Sound to me like a perfect community project which can be adapted whenever it reaches a certain quality? (tbr, 10:54:12) * Updates on Action points of last meetings (5 min) (netzvieh, 10:54:29) * MSameer: for a fully opensource community-managed app we probably can make an exception. the only problematic part there which I see is elevated privileges for talking to packagekit, it'd just mean additional audit effort on submission to make sure that it does not use anything other elevated (MSameer, 10:54:53) * or probably have jolla do the binary build for that (MSameer, 10:55:11) * chum progressing slowly on my side. promoted a couple of apps to chum testing for U5 (tbr, 10:55:27) * autodoc see http://autodoc.merproject.org/ (netzvieh, 10:55:49) * netzvieh: we're doing OBS upgrade of mer OBS today, or rather, lbt is banging his head against the wall and doing it (netzvieh, 10:56:02) * community translation tool is still pending. IT team might have some time to work on it soon, but no updates at this pont (cybette, 10:56:23) * @roadmap mail netzvieh: so far I've only seen positive feedback, but I guess we'll have to see how things develop (netzvieh, 10:56:36) * chum still needs more volunteers to drive forward policies, process definition and also adaptation of the open repos client to the chum use case. (tbr, 10:56:44) * HELP: We need more volunteers for community repo surroundings (netzvieh, 10:59:20) * Community guidelines, communication channels and Jollas communication (30 min) (netzvieh, 11:00:04) * continuing from last meeting (netzvieh, 11:00:06) * LINK: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-27-15.00.html point 3 (netzvieh, 11:00:06) * we've discussed about keeping mailing list focused to SailfishOS deeveloper related conversations (cybette, 11:01:19) * it will be moderated by Jolla sailors (selected) and communtiy members (no volunteers yet) (cybette, 11:01:42) * nominations/volunteers for moderators to be sent to developer-care@jolla.com (cybette, 11:02:24) * netzvieh: at this point we would like to focus on the mailing list, together.jolla.com and irc. We can work on improving these channels (setting up guidelines is a start) but spreading ourselves too thin at this point will not be beneficial (netzvieh, 11:07:02) * speaking of moderators, we will also like community involvement as irc channel ops and TJC moderators. similarly, nominations/volunteers to developer-care@ (netzvieh, 11:08:35) * @moderators when we have a list of names we will have the voting (on piratepad or some suitable tool). (netzvieh, 11:12:36) * @guidelines netzvieh: I think we will have a draft in place and for review and suggestions. (netzvieh, 11:12:56) * #SailfishOS on freenode is official IRC channel, however all sailors are community members there if not mentioned separately otherwise (cybette, 11:15:24) * we're proposing to adopt IRC guidelines from Mer: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/IRC_guidelines (cybette, 11:15:51) * sidenote, #jollamobile on freenode is unofficial, founded by Stskeeps and iekku, following Mer IRC guidelines (cybette, 11:16:15) * ACTION: stskeeps to look into #jollamobile vs ##jollamobile (Stskeeps, 11:20:04) * no ETA on guideline pirate pad (netzvieh, 11:24:17) * ACTION: cybette supports iekku with PP (netzvieh, 11:24:32) * Next Meeting (netzvieh, 11:28:21) * AGREED: Next Meeting 10 June @ 15 UTC with cybette as chair unless someone volunteers (netzvieh, 11:30:39) Meeting ended at 11:30:47 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stskeeps to look into #jollamobile vs ##jollamobile * cybette supports iekku with PP Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cybette * cybette supports iekku with PP * iekku * cybette supports iekku with PP * **UNASSIGNED** * stskeeps to look into #jollamobile vs ##jollamobile People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * netzvieh (81) * cybette (53) * coderus (53) * iekku (38) * BasilSemuonov (34) * xfade_ (28) * tbr (25) * MSameer (24) * lbt (19) * stephg (19) * artemma (19) * sledges (15) * leszek (11) * faenil_ (10) * kimmoli (8) * Stskeeps (8) * Aard (6) * javisail (6) * KhertanAtwork (4) * Merbot` (3) * javispedro (3) * phaeron (3) * faenil (2) * sletta (2) * grande (2) * jake9xx (1) * sdjayna (1) * VDVsx (1) * mike7b4_on_x230 (1) * phdeswer (1) * Sage_ (1) * Nicd- (1) * JvD_ (1) * amccarthy (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings