15:00:20 #startmeeting SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 2014-07-08T15:00 UTC 15:00:20 Meeting started Tue Jul 8 15:00:20 2014 UTC. The chair is tbr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings. 15:00:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:20 #info Welcome to another SailfishOS OSS and collaboration meeting 15:00:20 #info Meeting info and agenda: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-July/004673.html 15:00:21 lol 15:00:24 hehe 15:00:37 #info Welcome to another SailfishOS OSS and collaboration meeting 15:00:37 #info Meeting info and agenda: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-July/004673.html 15:00:40 Today's topics: 15:00:42 * Intro (5 min) 15:00:45 * Moderator's for Mailing list, IRC, TJC - iekku (15 min) 15:00:47 * Updates about previous meetings topics - faenil (15 min) 15:00:50 * General discussion / informal meetup - open (20 min) 15:00:52 * Wrap up and next meeting (5 min) 15:00:55 #topic Brief introductions (5 min), prefix your information with #info 15:00:57 #info Thomas B. Rücker, community member 15:01:09 go ahead please 15:01:11 #info Kimmo Lindholm, community member, self-learned TOH developer 15:01:19 #info Andrea Bernabei, nemomobile contributor 15:01:21 #info vgrade, community member 15:01:33 #info Eric Le Roux, TJC & Bugzilla admin @ Jolla 15:01:34 #info Iekku Pylkk�, jolla developer community sailor, community member 15:01:34 #info Denis Zalevskiy, Jolla, engineer 15:01:43 #info Simonas Leleiva, sailor & community, devices sailfish for everyone 15:01:53 ps: cybette might come bit late 15:02:00 i'm in 15:02:07 #info Carol Chen, community chief @ Jolla, aka CCCC 15:02:12 iekku: I'm here! I made it! 15:02:19 Brief introductions (5 min), prefix your information with #info 15:02:20 #info Aleksi Suomalainen nemomobile contributor 15:02:23 #info Jozef Mlich, foursail, cz/sk i18n, community 15:03:24 #info Steph Gosling, nemo/sailfish community 15:03:35 #info Mikko Ahlroth, community member, developer of SailTime 15:03:36 #info Fabio Isgrò, Jolla phone reaper , sysadmin , community 15:04:07 #info Dmitriy Purgin, Qt5 professional, SailfishOS enthusiast 15:04:30 any sailors present without voice? 15:04:56 #info Sailors (Jolla employees) are voiced for clarity 15:05:09 #topic Moderator's for Mailing list, IRC, TJC - iekku (15 min) 15:05:09 tbr: eleroux1 deztructor sledges iekku 15:05:24 we're good :) 15:05:26 #info call for moderators has been ended 30/7/2014 15:05:26 #link https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004550.html 15:05:27 :) 15:05:54 iekku: so, what will happen now? :) 15:05:55 sledges: ah ok, missed it. still a bit out of breath from running home :P 15:05:55 I will first go through all volunteers / nominated persons and let's then decide how to proceed 15:05:58 #info David Greaves : Mer guy and sailor 15:06:11 Following persons have volunteered or nominated for IRC moderators: 15:06:11 vgrade (Martin Brook), Mer/Nemo community background, currently active on device adaptation for Sailfish for Android. 15:06:15 tbr (Thomas B. R�cker), Mer/Nemo community background, has been chairing community meetings in IRC and IRL 15:06:18 faenil (Andrea Bernabei), Mer/Nemo community background, active Sailfish community member 15:06:21 #info volunteers/nominated IRC moderators: vgrade, tbr, faenil 15:06:23 Following persons have volunteered or nominated for ML moderators: 15:06:26 Thomas B. R�cker, Mer/Nemo community background, has been chairing community meetings in IRC and IRL 15:06:29 Andrea Bernabei, Mer/Nemo community background, active Sailfish community member 15:06:32 #info volunteers/nominated ML moderators: Thomas R�cker, Andrea Bernabei 15:06:34 Following person has volunteered or nominated for TJC moderator: 15:06:37 Thomas B. R�cker, Mer/Nemo community background, has been chairing community meetings in IRC and IRL 15:06:40 #info volunteer/nominated ML moderator: Thomas R�cker 15:06:49 #undo 15:06:49 Removing item from minutes: 15:06:57 iekku: last one should be TJC moderator? 15:07:05 #info volunteer/nominated TJC moderator: Thomas Rücker 15:07:05 oops, yes 15:07:09 fixed 15:07:15 thanks <3 15:07:17 np 15:07:37 my brains have been same place else today than rest of my body... 15:07:49 #info other volunteers/nominations for TJC can be seen on TJC in the related question 15:08:01 iekku: I think chem|st deserves a seat as mod on TJC ;) 15:08:03 anybody have the link handy? 15:08:21 eleroux1: you mentioned chem|st being still relevant for TJC mod? 15:08:27 eleroux1, dhttps://together.jolla.com/question/15847/doing-it-together-community-moderatorscontributors-wanted/ 15:08:27 ah again typing too slow :P 15:08:30 yes yes yes 15:08:30 ? 15:08:39 #link https://together.jolla.com/question/15847/doing-it-together-community-moderatorscontributors-wanted/ 15:08:59 eleroux1: add it to that item then I guess? 15:09:28 #info eleroux1 proposes chem|st as TJC moderator 15:09:44 tbr: you too volunteer, right? 15:09:58 eleroux1: yes, I didn't get around to adding me there yet. 15:10:01 so my question is can we make decision(s) here or should we do voting? there's not so many candidates... 15:10:29 #info: Adding chem|st and tbr as official moderators 15:10:33 now 15:10:51 eleroux1: please check that TJC question too? 15:10:54 eleroux1, we didn't yet decide if we need voting... :P 15:10:57 eleroux1: please hang on, let's decide how to proceed as iekku mentioned 15:11:14 when it comes to IRC it would be natural to discuss moderators now 15:11:24 tbr, +1 15:11:31 all three candidates are present and available for questions 15:11:54 iekku: 2 mods are fine at TJC, let's consider all is agreed, no pb 15:12:17 and all candidates are known within community 15:12:20 eleroux1: I'd be worried people will feel sidestepped in that jolla question 15:12:40 I propose we post the moderator candidates to respective channels (TJC mods to TJC, ML mods to ML) and give people 1 week to speak up if they are *against* those nominated for any reason. Else they are all in. and for IRC we decide now. 15:12:54 eleroux1: yeah please let's not rush to conclusions like this, there was a thread about volunteers for a reason :/ 15:13:39 hmm 15:13:44 for TJC jolla should probably evaluate all people who posted (and will be posted) to that question 15:13:57 +1 15:14:01 +1 for cybette 15:14:04 +1 for tbr 15:14:07 ML and IRC are easier as there was only the mail in nomination/volunteering 15:14:23 so, any questions to vgrade, faenil and me? 15:14:27 tbr: sure, and the most active is chem|st so I'd say it's legitimate he gets the mod seat 15:14:28 (regarding IRC) 15:14:59 * iekku proposes to accept all 3 candidates to be IRC moderators 15:15:05 iekku: +1 15:15:10 iekku: +1 15:15:19 iekku: +1 15:15:22 iekku: +1 15:15:26 iekku: +1 15:15:31 eleroux1: yeah, he's also top of the list in that post. my volunteering is not that important there as I'm currently not that active on TJC 15:15:32 +1 15:15:50 * tbr will abstain from voting on the IRC moderators, for obvious reasons :) 15:16:00 tbr: :D 15:16:05 tbr: nevertheless, you're in :D 15:16:07 1815 INFO: Still 5 min in this topic 15:16:18 +1 15:16:35 i think we have clear understanding 15:16:37 #info vgrade, faenil and tbr elected as IRC moderators 15:16:59 I think most probably those who nominated/volunteered will be accepted (ML, TJC) but in the spirit of openness and transparency, let's share the names and ask for some inputs. maybe 1 week is too long, but at least 3-4 days 15:17:16 we're in no hurry, it's summer 15:17:22 yep 15:17:22 I think a week should be fine 15:17:26 and football 15:17:27 yeah 15:17:30 :D 15:17:46 yeah, let's wash all dirty laundry during the world cup. ;) 15:17:55 :)) 15:18:03 #info iekku will send candidates info to ML. 1 week to give input. 15:18:08 normal byrocarsy starts on monday - in brazil 15:18:24 #info: actually chem|st is on holidays till 20.07 15:18:25 so, iekku, can you send info to ML, and eleroux1 to TJC? 15:18:32 iekku: you read my mind :) 15:18:35 cybette: yes 15:18:43 cybette, allways, scary isn't it :P 15:18:47 ;) 15:19:04 INFO: Topic ends in 1 min, wrap up now, please 15:19:18 #action iekku will send candidate info to ML. 1 week to give input 15:19:26 #undo 15:19:26 Removing item from minutes: 15:19:29 #action eleroux1 will send candidate info to TJC. 1 week to give input 15:19:30 we have that already 15:19:39 i made it an action 15:19:41 tbr, it was info, not action 15:19:42 but that was missing 15:19:43 aaaah 15:19:47 ok, please redo! 15:19:49 #action iekku will send candidate info to ML. 1 week to give input 15:19:50 sorry 15:19:54 no worries :) 15:19:58 cybette: I will just announce, I consider it's all agreed :) 15:20:00 my mistake 15:20:12 for TJC roles that is 15:20:13 #topic Updates about previous meetings topics - faenil (15 min) 15:20:26 faenil: floor is yours 15:20:39 not much from my side, just want to hear all the possible updates about the stuff that was discussed in the previous meetings :) 15:20:54 ok, which points would that be? 15:21:02 icons/themes/nemoMerMerge/autodoc/chum/beta channel/community translations 15:21:04 etc etc 15:21:25 Action items 15:21:25 Stskeeps to post instructions for people to help with the merge faenil to take disciplinary actions on Stskeeps if he fails to make progress on this topic Stskeeps to send a list of blockers-to-a-Mer-release to the ml when he's at desk thp to look into the python build error 15:21:29 meh 15:21:47 * Stskeeps to post instructions for people to help with the merge 15:21:47 * faenil to take disciplinary actions on Stskeeps if he fails to make progress on this topic 15:21:50 * Stskeeps to send a list of blockers-to-a-Mer-release to the ml when he's at desk 15:21:51 community translation tool was supposed to be open 2 months ago already, http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-06-10.00.log.html#l-370 15:21:53 * thp to look into the python build error 15:21:54 nemomerMerge (i'm not able to really type due to being downtown), but first merges are merging in https://build.merproject.org/project/show/mer-core:i486:devel now 15:22:04 yeah I didn't take disciplinary actions on Stskeeps as I've been busy with my thesis lately :) 15:22:14 faenil hasn't taken disciplinary actions 15:22:19 stskeeps never found a desk 15:22:33 :D 15:22:42 faenil: going corporal 15:22:48 #info from Stskeeps re Nemo middle ware merge: first merges are merging in https://build.merproject.org/project/show/mer-core:i486:devel now 15:22:50 dr_gogeta86: I was asked to :D 15:23:27 #info Mer release blocker list still pending 15:23:48 items from other meetings? any other questions? comments from sailors? 15:23:50 Stskeeps: did you publish any info or anything so that others can help? 15:24:06 we agreed on a wiki page iirc 15:24:20 faenil: no, my bad; i got hijacked to finland so that took all my time 15:24:42 * lbt was supposed to spend some time on this but has been afk all week too 15:24:42 okay 15:24:44 was discussed if a mer release would just cause more trouble than worth, as well - it's somewhere in #mer backlog, can't find it right now 15:25:16 lbt: anything about chum/autodoc/whatever ? 15:25:42 no - I've not been able to do anything this week 15:25:45 iekku maybe knows something about beta channel? and icons and themes on harbour 15:25:47 #info we are adding new areas 15:25:50 #undo 15:26:04 #undo 15:26:04 Removing item from minutes: 15:26:19 16:24 <+Stskeeps> was discussed if a mer release would just cause more trouble than worth, as well - it's somewhere in #mer backlog, can't find it right now 15:26:20 * Accepting community opensource applications which cannot pass Harbour: 15:26:22 * ACTION: iekku to talk with service sailors about this and hopefully get some ETA soon (iekku, 15:40:57) 15:26:32 That's 2014-06-10 15:26:42 a month ago, more or less :) 15:26:48 * tbr is just digging into old minutes 15:26:51 yeah 15:27:15 #info we are in process of adding few product/component items into mer bugzilla about status of porting sailfish to other devices - a test playground before moving on with complete bz for community 15:27:41 tbr, it has been talked, eta is autumn, but due vacation season at finland can't give more info. we have better understanding when work is again rolling 15:27:45 sledges: nice 15:27:47 \o/ 15:27:50 iekku: ok 15:28:12 iekku: is that for themes/icons or beta channel as well? or beta channel only 15:28:23 both 15:28:26 ok 15:28:42 unfortunately 15:28:43 yeah I remember you said autumn, now 15:29:19 anyone knows anything about the communtiy translation tool? 15:29:23 #info about community translation, we have new localization sailor (pvilja left) and so it's taking a bit longer to happen than planned 15:29:39 owww, okay 15:30:50 we are ready to push community cz/sk translations .. 15:30:50 cybette: anything about http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-22-10.00.log.html#l-593 ? 15:31:09 iekku: what's with the ML/IRC community mods? 15:31:16 jmlich-jolla: so there is an unofficial way to translate already? 15:31:23 netzvieh, we had that today 15:31:26 netzvieh: discussed already, read above ;) 15:31:28 woop 15:31:33 sry, came in late 15:32:01 you can ping me also directly once pootle is ready for community 15:32:29 faenil: https://together.jolla.com/question/43843/invitation-sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meetings-weekly-on-irc/ 15:32:40 faenil, we have package in openrepos and data in transifex 15:32:40 jmlich-jolla, we will announce that 15:32:54 JFTR: due to private issues I didn't have any time for "Chum" 15:33:04 INFO: Still 2 min in this topic 15:33:30 cybette: thanks 15:33:31 cybette: thanks 15:33:34 jmlich-jolla: ok, thanks 15:33:46 tbr: oki 15:33:58 faenil: but on the other hand now I have lots of time... 15:34:13 faenil: so feel free "to take disciplinary action" ;) 15:34:17 if I don't move 15:34:25 as I feel I should drive this topic 15:34:53 on the other hand, I'm the one who's very busy right now :D 15:35:02 #topic General discussion / informal meetup - open (20 min) 15:35:10 we gently segway into this 15:35:23 it's a continuation of the previous topic, essentially. 15:35:28 I have one question What is progress with rpm autodownload by TOH-ID ? I could do some testing with that. 15:35:32 In addition everyone can bring also new things 15:36:03 kimmoli: did anyone specifically comment on this before? 15:36:20 smells like a store feature 15:36:31 the logic for toh handling is store, yes 15:36:31 new thing :p 15:36:33 i'd assume it already exists, due to toh 15:36:58 but having custom rpm there. i have heard it needs to be somewhat tied to ambiance package 15:36:59 I think in the summer period, when things are slower, it's still good to keep these meetings every 2 weeks. however if we don't have enough concrete topics on the agenda, we can have some open discussions 15:37:05 then x-fade, if kimmoli can catch him is probably a contact? 15:37:14 cybette: +1 15:37:27 I think 2 weeks and 60min meetings are a good combination during the summer 15:37:38 makes the meetings relaxed and easily flowing 15:38:04 tbr: +1 :) 15:39:11 #info the proposal is to stick with a fortnightly meeting cycle and a 60min meeting duration during the summer 15:40:14 hey guys, as it is general discussion, could anyone please tell where can I get some info on voice call process? I'm stuck on capturing the other party from pulseaudio, nobody answered on ML. Should I go to developer-care now? 15:40:16 while we are at this open topic: any word on Update 8? :-) 15:40:20 sorry if the question is inappropriate here 15:40:34 yeah...I heard there was a new tag "july14" popping up on tjc 15:40:51 but the update will be out sooner than that....right?!?! :D 15:40:53 kimmoli, no official progress on rpm autodownload 15:41:12 IMHO better to ask 15:41:15 iekku: ok 15:41:34 dpurgin: mh, that's a bit tricky, as for regular voice calls the audio might not even reach pulseaudio (I haven't looked into it though) 15:41:52 it was possible on the N9, which has similar-ish audio policies 15:42:18 (loved that voicecall rec func) 15:42:28 dpurgin: try to catch jusa_ and ask 15:42:40 tbr, the thing is, I can capture my voice and keypad tones, but not the other party, it just doesn't appear in monitor 15:42:48 yeah, he's "da man" for audio things on sailfish 15:42:56 thanks guys 15:43:13 is he available on email or IRC only? 15:43:17 he also figured out a nice quick hack for SIP call audio 15:43:28 dpurgin: irc mostly 15:43:34 try alterego too 15:44:01 lbt, thanks 15:44:11 btw: if there is true interest in making SIP calls work, I'd like to see some community effort on thsi 15:44:20 kimmoli, exactly, I'm trying to do the call recorder on SailfishOS 15:44:24 è1 15:44:28 +1 15:44:35 +1 15:44:39 guys 15:44:40 it looks like it's not missing tooooo much and if we run into audio policy issues jusa can probably lend a hand 15:44:55 last month due several reason 15:45:00 #info The first 2 TJC moderators are in! See the update https://together.jolla.com/question/15847/doing-it-together-community-moderatorscontributors-wanted/ 15:45:02 and if that works, I remember a sailor promising to help integrate it into the dialer UI 15:45:18 i've runout of data plafond 15:45:49 i've found whole system drain battery under weak / capped bandwith 15:46:25 dr_gogeta86: have a TJC item on it yet? 15:46:33 i'm trying to reproduce this behaviour 15:46:40 using tc and iproute 15:46:48 dr_gogeta86: did you get dropped to GSM or were you still on 3G but with reduced bandwidth? 15:47:13 italian operators when you finished dataplafond 15:47:20 cap even lte to 32kbit 15:47:21 :-D 15:47:53 but i needed a linux kernel feature to reproduce the same situation 15:48:07 http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/ifb 15:48:14 and i built this kernel module 15:48:38 the result of this research is something similar you can found into osx/iOs a network conditioner 15:49:07 you can easily simulate high latency o packet loss 15:49:11 even on lan 15:49:45 is possible to include that kernel module both in sdk and real product 15:49:49 ? 15:50:10 dr_gogeta86: have you considered to introduce that as a network element on the other side of the wifi? or do you want to do that while on mobile data? 15:50:14 jolla have in house a similar tools 15:50:32 i'm running tests 15:50:37 directly on my phone 15:50:44 while connected to wifi 15:50:53 onced capped 15:51:09 INFO: Still 4 min in this topic 15:51:16 i have another quick one:: as the TOH supports eeprom by "tohd", and it provides some superior things which are not possible with only NFC, a place to start recording vendor and product id's would be nice- e.g. wiki 15:51:29 battery going down faster 15:52:05 i think is usefull even connected to 3g 15:52:31 If jolla already got similar tool i continue to develop this thing 15:52:38 otherwise i giveup 15:53:28 INFO: Still 2 min in this topic 15:53:49 * lbt wonders if we should be looking at more 'meta' community issues here? Is this indicative of some deeper community problem dr_gogeta86 ? 15:54:49 INFO: Topic ends in 1 min, wrap up now, please 15:55:29 tbr: did you script a bot for that? :) 15:55:31 #info no official progress on rpm autodownload by NFC 15:55:48 sledges: no, text file and keeping an eye on the watch 15:55:55 ohk ;) 15:56:04 #topic Wrap up and next meeting (5 min) 15:56:16 good job tbr , and sorry for OT 15:56:32 tbr: how can I be sure it's not your toilet writing messages? :P 15:56:32 2014-07-22 is proposed as the next meeting date 15:56:46 :D 15:56:47 faenil: you can't, that's the beauty of IoT! 15:56:51 :D 15:56:54 +1 for date 15:56:54 heehh 15:57:15 * lbt suggests a toilet signing party... 15:57:21 haah 15:57:37 +1 for date 15:57:39 any proposals for the time of day for the next meeting? 15:57:48 earlier! 15:57:50 :) 15:57:55 same :) 15:58:04 * tbr has no opinion 15:58:06 +1 for same 15:58:07 alternate back to 10 UTC? 15:58:10 tbr toilet has great timing sometimes, middle of twitter rages 15:58:12 we were rotating so do a 10:00 utc one? 15:58:23 yes please 15:58:25 ok, so 10 UTC 15:58:26 (personally don't care) 15:58:33 +1 for 10 UTC and next one then 15 UTC ? 15:58:34 anyone terminally unhappy with that? 15:58:48 22 July 10UTC ok 15:58:52 quick question: how's the HADK coming? 15:58:54 wfm 15:59:03 #info Next meeting 2014-07-22T10:00 UTC 15:59:17 stephg: bring it to next meeting ;) 15:59:28 or ask Stskeeps when he's back 15:59:36 I can chair unless the comms topic comes up again 15:59:48 stephg: we'll try and post an update in #sailfishos 15:59:57 kk 16:00:06 I have a question! sledges: what are you telling people when they ask about the hadk? :D 16:00:18 #info topic proposals as usual please to the etherpad: http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings 16:00:22 #link http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings 16:00:24 faenil: will be answered in next meeting :)) 16:00:26 22nd is not good for me. i will read the log 16:00:29 sledges: ahahah 16:00:36 just came back from holiday 16:01:05 sledges: wanted to know if you're still using the word "soon" ;) 16:01:19 ok, to cite admiral snackbar: It's a WRAP! 16:01:24 #endmeeting