#mer-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 3rd February 2018 - live from FOSDEM! Audio cast: https://meet.jit.si/SailfishFOSDEM

Meeting started by sledges at 13:30:23 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ (sledges, 13:30:38)

  2. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with # info (sledges, 13:30:56)
    1. Simonas Leleiva, sailor @ Jolla, presently @ FOSDEM (sledges, 13:31:01)
    2. Kimmo Lindholm, community, breaking things. not@fosdem, maybe next time, neverknow. (kimmoli, 13:31:05)
    3. Leif-Jöran Olsson, community (ljo_, 13:31:08)
    4. nh1402, community member (nh1402_, 13:31:18)
    5. Andre Walker, community, @ fosdem (andrewalker, 13:31:19)
    6. tadzik, community, small-time developer, @fosdem (tadzik, 13:31:21)
    7. Lucien Xu community member. @FOSDEM (Sfiet_Konstantin, 13:31:25)
    8. Jonatan Walck, community, at FOSDEM on the second row.:) (jwalck, 13:31:26)
    9. James Noori, sailor @ Jolla, Sitting at home wishing I was at FOSDEM :( (Jaymzz, 13:31:27)
    10. Dylan Van Assche, community @FOSDEM (DylanVanAssche, 13:31:28)
    11. Andrew Branson, sailing @ fosdem (abranson, 13:31:30)
    12. Lewis Rockliffe - @FOSDEM (r0kk3rz, 13:31:38)
    13. Carsten Munk, CTO @ Zipper (Stskeeps, 13:31:39)
    14. Christophe Chapuis, community member (Tofe, 13:31:40)
    15. Erik Lundin, community (luen, 13:31:44)
    16. Mister_Magister, community and mad porter (Mister_Magister, 13:31:52)
    17. Fabio Isgrò, community (dr_gogeta86, 13:31:54)
    18. Matti Lehtimäki, porter etc (mal, 13:31:59)
    19. Tom Swindell cheer leader (alterego, 13:32:01)
    20. David zarel Costa, community, @fosdem (zarel, 13:32:06)
    21. Tommi Keisala, community @FOSDEM (jvd_, 13:32:09)
    22. Steph Gosling, community, porter (stephg, 13:32:22)
    23. AL13N , betatester @ Fosdem (AL13N_jolla_, 13:32:22)
    24. Raine M�kel�inen, sailor @ Jolla (rainemak, 13:32:27)
    25. Pami Ketolainen, sailor @ Jolla (pketo, 13:32:30)
    26. piggz mido porter, not @fosdem (Piggz_, 13:32:38)
    27. cedesguin near Brussels, community lurker (objectifnul_, 13:32:47)
    28. Juhu Hämäläinen, sailor @ Jolla, not @fosdem, presently doing other things but try to idle here and react to possible highlights (jusa, 13:33:01)
    29. Juho Hämäläinen :) (jusa, 13:33:10)

  3. Splitscreen/PiP Multitasking (asked by nh1402 - 10 min) (sledges, 13:33:27)
    1. Previously talked about, arrange time for separate meeting to get it off the ground, to work on it with the glacier ui. (sledges, 13:33:34)
    2. Frajo Haider, sailor @ jolla (krnlyng, 13:33:36)
    3. krisko, community member (krisko, 13:34:26)
    4. jolladiho, community (gischpelino[m], 13:35:02)
    5. David Greaves; Sailor and Mer guy :) (lbt, 13:37:03)
    6. Community meetings will be held in the same style as Chris' Cal/CardDAV meetings (abranson, 13:44:26)

  4. Sailfish Browser (asked by Nokius - 10 min) (sledges, 13:44:28)
    1. What are future plans to keep the Browser on the edge of time. It will be one issue with zipper as the Browser is bit dusty. The engine is old and users face issues with mis-functioning websites. The Browser is one of the most important application on a mobile device. Is it a option to move to QtWebEngine as it has a relationship to Chromium. Is a step to Qt 5.10 LTS needed first? (sledges, 13:44:36)
    2. things like webrtc are in the platform, but haven't been integrated into the browser UI (abranson, 13:46:45)
    3. the question now is whether it's worth investing more effort into maintaining the embedded gecko engine, or should we switch to another engine that's better maintained externalls (abranson, 13:47:31)
    4. a decision should be made this year about which direction to take, but it's not a simple one (abranson, 13:48:10)
    5. ACTION: approach other manufacturers/communities for help, such as Mozilla, Vivaldi (sledges, 13:54:48)

  5. Sony Xperia X insides about the project (asked by Nokius - 10 min) (sledges, 13:55:15)
    1. some details about the topic: For me as community member SailfishX was the biggest Story for Jolla in 2017. Could we, the community get some insides about the project like: active Users; sold licenses; markt responce; contribution from the community (patches / fixes / ...); tell us about good and downsides (if possible); What does Sony say? Do they like this SailfishOS on there Device \[^_^]/ (sledges, 13:55:19)
    2. numbers are better than we expected, but we're not giving a fixed number ;) It's not taken over the world, but it's very encouraging. Tell your friends... (abranson, 13:56:50)
    3. Alin from Sony likes his Sailfish install (abranson, 13:59:33)
    4. Thanks to him and his team for providing the AOSP base, which is also helped stephg bring Sailfish to the X Compact, and r0kk3rz bring it to his Z3 tablet (abranson, 14:00:45)

  6. Nokius Looking back into 2017 / Outlook for 2018 (asked by Nokius - 1 min) (sledges, 14:03:30)
    1. Please share a bit about what happened in 2017? What was achieved what is an outcome, where is improvement needed? Did Jolla reached there end year gole? Where you like to go in 2018. Are the millstones for this year. [please answer this question to target the audiences community not your investors ;) bit transparency to the community many thanks in advance (sledges, 14:03:51)
    2. https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-whats-next/ (sledges, 14:03:57)

  7. QtFeedback QML module (Dylan Van Assche - 10 mins) (sledges, 14:04:29)
    1. The simple QtFeedback QML module isn't allowed in Jolla Harbour, is there a reason for this? For some apps (messaging, ...) it might be interesting to provide the user some haptic feedback. I was surprised this module was not allowed in Jolla Harbour since it's included in the Components example app in the SDK. (sledges, 14:04:50)
    2. Dylan said it's used as an example in the SDK, but isn't allowed in the harbour (abranson, 14:07:22)
    3. Pekka's not around, so we'll postpone this question, but it could be added after this request. (abranson, 14:10:17)

  8. C++ compiler upgrade (Sfiet_Konstantin (Lucien Xu) - 10 mins) (sledges, 14:10:33)
    1. Is Jolla thinking or planning to upgrade the version of GCC to support C++14/17 in the near future ? Any roadmap ? (sledges, 14:10:39)
    2. it's not on the short-term roadmap for now. there are lots of interactions with the build environment, and compatibilty issues to address (abranson, 14:14:11)

  9. Community involvement in SFOS (asked by Nokius - 10 min) (sledges, 14:18:19)
    1. Insides where get's community involved in SailfishOS. Is Community a driving factor for Jolla / SailfishOS? What are KPIs in the Community involved Project Translations. Where could community be involved more? (sledges, 14:18:21)
    2. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/959792355971928064 (dr_gogeta86, 14:20:19)
    3. veskuh: we're very proud of the community translation programme - it's grown to the point where ten new languages were added to a release. it's a great example of community collaboration done right. (abranson, 14:26:35)
    4. PSA: the next upgrade will remove harbour-warehouse and harbour-storeman, and we're calling community's help to get involved and upgrade the package-kit api that the next upgrade will change (sledges, 14:36:49)
    5. veskuh says that we've been consulting with a former Meego colleague about the best way to proceed with this. Hopefully he'll be able to recommend a plan to legally take steps to open source stuff in the right way. (abranson, 14:42:48)

  10. Jolla & Zipper collaboration Q&A (r0kk3rz - 10 mins) (sledges, 14:43:23)
    1. Since we will have representatives from both Jolla and Zipper present @ FOSDEM this is a good opportunity for the community to talk to them about the Zipper project and where it fits in with Sailfish OS (sledges, 14:43:48)
    2. From Jolla's side, there are lots of possibilities that Zipper could bring, such as paying for payments, donating to websites, rewarding translations and putting up bug bounties (abranson, 14:47:56)
    3. but the technical aspects of store payments were never difficult to implement - the problems was always the legal/administrative aspects for exchanging money for this (abranson, 14:51:52)
    4. Sebastian Wolf is working on his own german-based payment system for his Piepmatz twitter app. He's got quite far along withit, dealing with a reseller. (abranson, 14:57:32)

  11. Next meeting date (sledges, 15:01:03)


Meeting ended at 15:03:03 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. approach other manufacturers/communities for help, such as Mozilla, Vivaldi


People present (lines said)

  1. sledges (64)
  2. Mister_Magister (44)
  3. Sfiet_Konstantin (37)
  4. nh1402_ (25)
  5. abranson (16)
  6. ApBBB (13)
  7. M4rtinK (12)
  8. tadzik (11)
  9. dr_gogeta86 (9)
  10. stephg (8)
  11. jpetrell (8)
  12. rainemak (6)
  13. jwalck (5)
  14. r0kk3rz (5)
  15. AL13N_jolla_ (3)
  16. matteone (3)
  17. merbot` (3)
  18. luen (3)
  19. lbt (2)
  20. jusa (2)
  21. kimmoli (2)
  22. DylanVanAssche (2)
  23. alterego (2)
  24. andrewalker (2)
  25. veskuh-laptop (2)
  26. Jaymzz (2)
  27. zarel (1)
  28. objectifnul_ (1)
  29. krisko (1)
  30. pketo (1)
  31. pasko_ (1)
  32. ljo_ (1)
  33. krnlyng (1)
  34. qwazix (1)
  35. Stskeeps (1)
  36. eekkelund (1)
  37. mal (1)
  38. Piggz_ (1)
  39. gischpelino[m] (1)
  40. jvd_ (1)
  41. Tofe (1)


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