Tuesday, 2011-11-15

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KaziKluBey_N900morning05:01
befr0dhello05:02
Sagemorning05:32
araujomoin05:33
araujoSage, o/05:33
* araujo should go to bed soon though05:33
Sage:)05:41
SageStskeeps: have you made your kickstarter patch with git already btw? I would like to merge that and some others to my branch.05:43
befr0dmorning Sage06:04
Sagebefr0d: updated the .ks files, latest at https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/trees/master/kickstarts/Nemo06:13
w00tmoin folks06:20
* w00t is on a ferry, doctors appointment today :/06:20
w00ti would quite like a few days of not having to travel :)06:21
Sagew00t: I would watch what you wish for ;)06:21
Sagewhatch out*06:22
* Sage 's monday continues :/06:22
w00ttbat bad?06:23
Stskeepsgive me ~20 mins and i'm more awake06:23
Stskeeps:P06:23
w00ti forgot my laptop charger in ruoholahti, that was a great way to end my monday06:23
* dm8tbr hands out espresso doppio06:23
dm8tbrw00t: you finally had time to read that book? ;)06:24
w00tdm8tbr: i have a spare, thank god06:24
StskeepsSage: no, i don't move further with the inherit patch06:27
StskeepsSage: i think i gave you a git formed patch though06:27
befr0dSage, http://pastie.org/286565506:28
befr0ddid I miss something? newer mic required?06:28
araujow00t, moin o/06:28
w00taraujo: o/06:29
befr0dwhat was that command to clean the bootstrap so it rebuilds06:30
Sagebefr0d: drop the release cmdline param06:31
Sagebefr0d: also the suffix should be dropped06:31
Sagebefr0d: you can't recreate that image so no need to try.06:32
befr0daha! :P06:32
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SageOBS project structure shortly described at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS07:10
w00t:)07:12
w00tSage++07:12
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SageStskeeps: well I didn't see the git formatted patch. Just a patch missing the author etc.08:28
Stskeepshmm08:30
Stskeepssec08:30
Stskeepshttp://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/0001-Add-functionality-to-inherit-configurations.patch08:31
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matrixxhey there, does meego use same theme config than harmattan?08:38
veskuhSage:  Why was tumbler not included in nemo? meego-handset-photos would need it to install..08:38
veskuhmatrixx: not the same theme, but same mechanism08:38
matrixxveskuh: so it's in the gconf with same name?08:39
matrixxand theme foldering is same?08:39
Sageveskuh: need to fix that depdencency on meego-handset-photos08:39
Sageveskuh: it is not included because nobody depends on it08:39
SageStskeeps: we need to split down the package-groups to package-groups and package-groups-builder08:39
matrixxveskuh: if it works similar, I'll add CE target for my themechanger build in cobs08:40
matrixxcurrently it's only build for harmattan08:40
veskuhmatrixx: yes, it works the same way. we already have theme applet for changing theme.08:40
StskeepsSage: hmm?08:41
matrixxah ok, then you don't need another :)08:41
veskuhWell, if yours is better than the existing, maybe then :-) It is always good to have choice.08:41
matrixxwell, ok then, I'll build it for CE and you can be the judge :)08:42
veskuhNice :)08:42
SageStskeeps: don't want to maintain the build scripts on each package groups package08:42
SageStskeeps: and dont' want to copy the script to every package groups git tree either08:43
SageStskeeps: similar to kickstarter, that is not included in each image-cofniguration pacakge in the fusture08:44
* Sage makes a lot of typos today08:44
Stskeepsok, so we have atm the package groups for Mer in the mer/project-core, you'd like to provide a package in core that helps people build package groups?08:45
SageStskeeps: yes08:45
Sagepackage-group-builder or something08:45
Stskeepsok08:45
Sageor pattern-builder08:45
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Stskeepsmakes senese08:53
veskuhSage: Isn't wallpaper applet failing to show previews of the images because of missing tumbler?08:53
matrixxwhat's the current CE target I should build my app against?08:54
matrixxahem *repository08:55
veskuhmatrixx: repos described here: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS08:56
SageStskeeps: https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter/commit/99306df39e9f7ae9a3df42c546e46e3c84e5906208:58
Sageveskuh: for some reason installing tumbler didn't help on that08:58
StskeepsSage: ah woops08:58
veskuhSage: Ok, good to know.08:58
veskuhSage: but then we did not have tracker?08:59
veskuhSage: just thinking if the components are actually working somehow together..09:00
SageStskeeps: some other errors as well, but need to check those later09:00
Sageveskuh: yes, but tracker is not needed for those, right?09:00
matrixxveskuh: thanks09:01
veskuhSage: don't really know, but probably not. I think I'll try to investigate this a bit and see if learn something.09:01
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StskeepsSage: to get camera working, we need gst-plugins-god10:30
Stskeepsgood10:30
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3081 Rejected promotion request10:31
xruxagod, indeed :)10:31
dm8tbrIDDQD10:32
xruxaSage: SR#3081 - how do I fix that? I cannot seem to be able to add repo CE:UX:MTF ...10:33
araujomorning10:37
* araujo wonders if there is any ETA for new images10:37
xruxaguess its lunchtime in Finland ;)10:40
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SageStskeeps: ok, that should probably go to CE:MW:Shared10:52
Sagexruxa: that should go to Project:MTF:UX anyway10:53
xruxaOk, so I go add those repos, rebuild and if okay resubmit?10:54
Sagexruxa: currently Project:MTF:Ux doesn't have those checks10:54
Sageso just submit is ok :)10:55
xruxaok, so not adding repost, just submitting to Project:MTF:UX?10:55
Sagexruxa: atm. yes10:55
* xruxa is running some binaries from N9/OVI store on N900 with Nemo - 50% success rate so far :)11:02
Stskeepscool11:03
xruxaNo luck with Angry Birds though  :(11:03
Stskeepsprolly due to nfc11:03
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* xruxa is looking into a way of resetting his root password on N9 without reflashing it11:05
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meceStskeeps, angry birds work on N950 sans nfc, so it should work fine.11:17
SageStskeeps: grr.... xmlrpc-c is 5 years old when the latest super stable version is only a 2 months old :D11:22
StskeepsSage: <3 meego11:22
Stskeepsmece: still uses the apis11:22
SageStskeeps: I'll check if I can update that as well11:22
meceStskeeps, ok.. so no nfc apis for nemo yet/ever?11:26
Stskeepsmece: not sure but hardware adaptation is the difficult part11:26
meceStskeeps, well to run it I suppose we only need dummies, like on N950...11:27
mecexruxa, how is the performance? Did you try GoF2 or Shift or some other heavy stuff?11:28
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3084 Rejected promotion request11:31
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3087 Rejected promotion request12:43
SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl12:47
* Stskeeps looks12:47
Stskeeps1.16.6/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c12:47
Stskeeps[ 44%] /usr/bin/cmake -E cmake_progress_report /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/xmlrpc-c-1.16.6/fedora/CMakeFiles 8612:47
Stskeeps /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/xmlrpc-c-1.16.6/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c:86:24: fatal error: curl/types.h: No such file or directory12:47
Sagehmmp12:48
Sageah12:48
Sageheheh I know what is wrong12:48
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3088 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/308812:51
SageStskeeps: or not12:53
Sageok, will check later at somepoint12:53
Stskeepsok12:53
veskuhSage: Did you drop gdk-pixbuf-2.0 from tumbler build-reqs?12:57
Sageeverything gtk related went away ;)12:58
Sageso yes12:59
xruxaexplains no thumbails for images ;)12:59
veskuhtumbler warns: Failed to load the cache plugin "tumbler-cache-plugin.so": /usr/lib/tumbler-1/plugins/cache/tumbler-cache-plugin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory12:59
veskuhon startup12:59
veskuhand when I take a look at acinclude.m4 there is this: http://pastie.org/286685812:59
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3088 Accepted promotion request13:00
veskuhso without gdk-pixbuf it disables tumbler_xdg_cache13:00
Sagehmmp13:00
veskuhand thus no cache, and without cache it does nothing.13:00
Sageso adding libpng dep would fix that13:00
Stskeepsit's really difficult to get rid of gtk..13:00
Stskeeps:P13:00
xruxaI can't believe Harmattan ships with such dependencies, and not more clean Qt-only codebase :(13:01
Sageor do I read taht correctly? if gdk fails, it tries libpng and if that fails it tries libpng1213:01
Sageand if all fail it just says no.13:01
* Sage is not good reading m4 files13:02
athathat libcurl error is about http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3357929&group_id=976&atid=100976 , empty file removed a few months ago from curl headers13:03
Sageatha: thx13:03
veskuhthe other side of the tumbler saga is that on harmattan we use quill and there is slightly forked tumbler, with quill plugins obviously.. and the one in meego is pure upstream so it has not that option..13:05
veskuhso this would be harmattan tumbler: https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/tumbler13:06
Stskeepsthere was some discussion on harmattan tumbler and upstreaming13:07
Stskeepswhen it entered meego13:07
veskuhyep, I remember that, the solution was I guess to change the numbering and synch with upstream, but the additional plugins did not end up in upstream apparently.13:07
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* Stskeeps stresses his new builder machine a bit13:09
Stskeeps5 obs workers, jobs running: qtwebkit, gcc, qt, qt, qt13:09
Stskeeps:P13:09
xruxaall the bad boys13:19
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veskuhInstalled gtk+debs+tumbler from meego 1.2 and then photos started to work. Perhaps we should come up with some other gallery app instead of pulling all these things in.14:21
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w00tveskuh: it's on my todo list, somewhere :)14:27
w00ti just need to find an extra few hours in a day, or stop with having to go places so i can hack instead :P14:27
veskuhActually, xruxa's flickr app might be a good starting point for also on-device gallery app.14:28
veskuhw00t:  heh, you have done plenty anyway..14:29
* Stskeeps clones w00t14:30
w00tStskeeps: one to work on the backend, two to work on the frontend, that should be plenty :)14:30
xruxaveskuh: true. I had plan for load of new apps - including gallery and SMS rewrite, but those apps are much more difficult to do than the Flickr or Maps we did already14:47
w00tfaenil was going to look at doing sms14:48
* xruxa running RipOff on N900 ... gaming time!14:48
w00tmight be an idea to poke him and see whether he's had time to start to poke at it yet14:48
xruxaGood to know, better to have two people than no one14:48
xruxaI have 'ui spec' for gallery, draft for Contacts, nothing for SMS yet.14:49
w00thow do you do your specs?14:49
xruxaw00t:  have two people tell me what to put there, then cut 80% of features away and make one SVG file with graphical idea on how it should look like :)14:50
w00tmight be nice to have a repo or something to plop things like that so everyone can poke around with 'em14:51
w00tI would like to do similar work with my layouts, but lack the pieces to put them together with, heh14:52
w00tso I just end up writing the QML14:52
xruxaw00t: I proposed it already to my 'boss'. See no harm - without it hard to get help14:52
w00tyes :)14:53
xruxae.g. the maps were done based on this 'spec' http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42376952/maps.png (was SVG, not PNG of course)14:54
w00tmhm14:55
xruxai.e. all the icons were in the file, as SVG so that one can just sit down and hack it together. Figured out this does not scale well for more complex apps though.14:55
veskuhxruxa: is the current location button already bound to functionality? So is the platform broken or app not ready?14:56
w00thave you seen the gimp-to-qml tool?14:56
w00tcomes in a bit handy :)14:56
xruxaveskuh: should be (TM)14:56
xruxaw00t: no, sounds funny14:57
w00txruxa: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/19/exporting-qml-from-photoshop-and-gimp/14:57
veskuhxruxa: ok14:57
xruxaveskuh: patches welcome ;)14:57
veskuhxruxa: yep, but for this i'd guess that platform not ready.14:58
xruxaw00t: that is almost a statement on the usefullness of the QtCreator's design tool - I though it was not that bad14:58
* xruxa going outside to test the Maps 14:59
w00txruxa: at the time, it wasn't as good14:59
w00tI still just write mine by hand14:59
w00tbut have done 1-2 complex layouts with gimp14:59
xruxaveskuh: true, it does not go anywhere when I press it, but then again, getting GPS fix takes like 10 minutes for me :(15:00
veskuhxruxa: yep, there was some talk about getting the assisted gps as binary blop but I do not remember what was the conclusion15:01
* xruxa has six random 3rd party apps from N9 running on Nemo/N900. Seven did not run. Not too bad!15:02
w00txruxa: how's performance?15:03
w00t(I guess it'll be better when the graphicssystem hackery is in and there's a bit more ram, but still)15:04
xruxaw00t: simple ones (QML) rock, two games are okay, visibly slower than N915:04
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Sageevening16:11
Stskeepsevening sage16:11
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Sageso two solutions for the curl thing. A) readd that empty .h file b) fix other packages not to include it16:14
SageI would prefer the solution b16:15
Stskeepsmakes sense16:15
Stskeepswasn't it only xmlrpc-c messing up?16:15
Sagethat .h file has been empty 7 years so they really should have fixed that long time ago :D16:15
Stskeeps:nod:16:15
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matrixxThemechanger now built for Nemo16:22
matrixxhttp://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/matrixx:/themechanger-nemo/CE_Apps_MTF_CE_MW_MTF_armv7l/ if someone wants to check out16:22
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SageStskeeps: have newwer xmlrpc-c with curl patch included cooking in my branch16:23
Sagethere is even newer xmlrpc-c but I stayed with the super stable branch  this time16:24
Stskeepsok16:27
Stskeepswhat depends on xmlrpc-c anyway?16:27
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Stskeepsok, cmake16:30
Stskeepsand that support is disabled..16:30
* Stskeeps adds xmlrpc-c to the death list16:30
Stskeepsdon't bother with xmlrpc-c, i'll kill it in next mer release probably16:31
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Sagedude :D16:33
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Stskeepsit's better to find stuff we really don't need ;)16:34
Stskeepsless effort in future16:34
Sagetrue, ok will not bother with that then16:34
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SageStskeeps: otherwise those my submits are ok I guess?16:42
Stskeepswaiting for results of builds but so far so goo16:43
Stskeepsd16:43
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Stskeepsmy tiny system was overwhelmed by all the contributions so :)16:45
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SageStskeeps: :)17:00
SageStskeeps: when you are planing of doing next mer release?17:00
SageAsking if I can get the package-group changes included if I submit those tomorrow.17:01
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StskeepsSage: it really depends on when things stop building :P17:18
Stskeepsso let's see17:20
Stskeepsi haven't even started building the next release, it's all been merge requets17:22
Stskeepsregarding releases: the idea is that releases will eventually roll/release on their own, right now the automation isn't there just yet17:26
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pytherHi17:49
pytherI attempted to install nemo to my ssd card, everything seemed to go okay, but when I attempted to boot a got a kernel panic stating it coulnd't find the / fs17:49
pytherI tried the 2011-11-.10.1 release17:50
befordjust a guess, wrong sd card, the downloaded file was corrupt, back of phone open?17:54
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pytherbeford: yah the back of the phone was open, I guess the ssd isn't detected when the back is open?18:03
Stskeepscorrect18:04
pytheryep that was the problem, seems to be booting now18:04
Stskeepsis a magnet sensor so18:04
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* KaIRC has a good day - installed a nemo image on the microSD of his N900 and ordered his future N920:39
Stskeepscool20:40
KaIRCI hope that stuff from this new YouTube video will land in a nemo image I can install soon :)20:41
Stskeepsi think gesture to switch is already in20:41
KaIRCI guess the N900 could get mostly a testing device for me once the N9 runs as I like it20:41
KaIRCnicely I'm in a country where I can just buy an N9 :)20:42
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w00tStskeeps: got some thoughts on integrating runtime graphicssystem yet? ;)20:49
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