Thursday, 2012-02-09

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Stskeepsmorn veskuh07:20
veskuhMorning Stskeeps07:20
Stskeepsveskuh: -- finally managed to merge qtwebkit 2.2.107:20
Stskeepsand mer now builds with autoconf/automake/autoreconf acceleration as well07:21
veskuhWould be nice to have geolocation though, too bad that gps is not working yet.07:21
Stskeepsi'm not sure why it broke but we'll figure out eventually07:22
Stskeepsi was at risk for breaking html5 video totally too07:22
veskuhhmm.. I wonder what codecs are working..07:22
Stskeepsprobably ogg/ogv if anything07:22
Stskeepsit uses gstreamer07:22
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Sageveskuh: I found a thing from our tumbler couple of days ago07:24
veskuhSage: Morning07:25
veskuhSage: interesting. Any change of getting it to work without bringing the whole gtk?07:25
Sageveskuh: harmattan doesn't use the gdk pixbuf either but uses quill and we didn't have quill plugin as I took the stuff from wrong upstream.07:25
Sageveskuh: so no gtk needed in the first place :)07:25
veskuhSage: nice. Would quill could also pull a lot of stuff?07:26
Sageveskuh: we had that already packaged so didn't change anything else basically07:27
Sagedidn't get the thumbs working though :/07:27
Sageveskuh: if you want to try it is available here
Sageveskuh: also the tests fail to check the images07:28
veskuhSage: Yep, I'll try it.07:28
Stskeepsveskuh: we also found out that our libpng was ancient, so sage upgraded it yesterday. new version should autodetect our NEON and utilize it07:29
Sageeasyfix (tm)07:30
veskuhStskeeps: Nice find.07:30
Stskeepsprobably also fixes a buttload of exploits..07:32
Stskeepswhich makes me wonder how exploitable main meego is07:32
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* veskuh after AEGIS does not even want to think about security07:32
Stskeepsthere was also a releases mailing list openened for qt-project that revolves around packaging of qt507:34
Stskeepsso that's good news too, so people can actually sync07:34
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Stskeepsit's amazing how little fails when pread64() is implemented wrong07:52
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StskeepsSage: libpng will make it in08:17
SageStskeeps: ok08:17
Sageis all our graphics in png format btw?08:18
Stskeepsyes, pretty much08:18
veskuhSage: Did you check quill build config?08:18
Sageveskuh: didn't check configs yet no08:19
Sageveskuh: can't see anything strange08:21
veskuhSage: ok08:22
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Sageveskuh: <- tumbler with all debugs enabled :/09:11
* Sage ponders if there is need to select thumbnailer in addition to compiling int09:12
Sagethere isn't any output even if I start photo app or wallpaper applet09:14
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Stskeepsgood morning09:28
* Stskeeps is finally starting to be back up in gear after fosdem and travels09:31
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jukkaeklundwho could try to package phonegap for nemo?09:40
timophyou? :p09:40
jukkaeklundno skills..09:40
jukkaeklundunless you come and hold hands some day..09:41
timophgot this thing called day job interfering with hobbies09:41
jukkaeklundwould make for a nice hackday item though09:41
jukkaeklundlets try then latest09:42
timophintroduction to packaging / obs ?09:42
jukkaeklundI've seen intro stuff but I think just trial and error with real thing would be good09:43
Stskeepsveskuh, timoph, jukkaeklund:
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* Sage ponders if there is actual need to do new release or not this week11:01
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4325 waiting for review at
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4325 Accepted promotion request11:17
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* Sage ponders what is wrong with tumbler in nemo12:09
jukkaeklundSage, it doesn't work :p12:14
Sage <- doesn't seem right12:16
Sagethat is with full tumbler debug12:17
SageI think there should be something mentioned in thumbnailers section12:17
w00t_CPHboarding.. bbl12:17
veskuhSage: yep, if I recall correctly the crash occured (earlier) because there was no default thumbnailer12:18
* Sage ponders if there is some dbus message that needs to be sent to get default thumbnailer12:19
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Sageveskuh, jukkaeklund, w00t_CPH: Moved my nemo mobile tumblerd binary to my N9 harmattan and there it says
Sagewhich looks like it should probably :)12:44
veskuhso probably config issue somehow12:44
Sageyes, it seems that the tumbler bianry is ok at least12:45
veskuhdo tumberd's dbus service files say anything interesting?12:45
veskuhfor example: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.xfce.Tumbler.Manager1.service12:45
veskuhon nemo:
stroughtonsmithjukkaeklund: hmm the Nook Color CM9 guys seem to have GPU working. At least partially. Same chipset12:48
Sageveskuh: I think we need maemo-video-thumbnailer those files in harmattan at least are from there12:50
stroughtonsmithsand the Motorola Defy ICS port has GPU. N9 should be a go :D12:50
Stskeepsthere's nothing simple about the n9 :P12:50
veskuhSage: well, for video yes, but there is still something wierd in images. the list did not contain jpg/png..12:50
Sageveskuh: is not the same as
veskuhSage: yep, just illustrating how empty those are compared to harmattan.12:54
veskuhSage: none of the .service files we have in nemo have anything but Name and Exec12:54
Sageveskuh: I meant that you pastied d-bus service files I something related to tumbler12:55
Sage/usr/share/thumbnailers/ vs /usr/share/dbus-1/services/12:55
veskuhSage: ah12:55
Sagenot related at all :)12:55
Sagenemo doesn't have those /usr/share/thumbnailers/ files12:56
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Sagemaemo-video-thumbnailer in Project:UX:MTF compiling atm.13:02
Sagelets see if that changes things in way or another13:02
veskuhhopefully. otherwise the packages seem pretty similiar13:05
Sageat least it finds something now :)13:06
veskuhDid it even initialize the quill plugin earlier?13:07
veskuhyes it did13:07
Sagedidn't change a thing :/13:09
Sageonly image thumbnails harmattan does are done with the wbmp13:09
veskuhI remember that one of the differenes between harmattan and upstream was support for jpg thumbnails, but I do not think this is related to it since we do not seem to be generating any thumbs13:10
Sagelibqt4-wbmp: /usr/share/thumbnailers/
Sagewhat is libqt-wbmp?13:11
veskuhwindows-bmp ?13:12
jukkaeklundno.. MMS related?13:12
SageSource: mms-manager13:12
Sageyes mms related apparently13:12
jukkaeklundWAP sites used those13:12
veskuhah "Wireless Bitmap File Format"13:13
jukkaeklundrequired for MMS compliancy13:13
Sageso does harmattan use the tumbler for thumbnails in the first place?13:14
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veskuhyes it should. I think we have same wallpaper applet.13:14
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Sagewell all other tumbler plugins than quilll and maemo-video-thumbnailer require gdk and that is not present in harmattan either13:18
* Sage check how situation changes with gdk-pixbuf13:23
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veskuhIt might be that tumbler is only used for video/music nowadays13:25
veskuhI'll check the bugzilla if I find anything related13:25
Sageto me it seems like that13:28
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veskuhhmm. it is still used based on bugzilla13:37
veskuhSage: what do you have on harmattan at /etc/xdg/thumbnails/ directory?13:37
Sageflavors.conf file that comes from media-settings-harmattan package13:40
veskuhtry adding that file to your nemo image13:43
veskuhworked for one image in wallpaper applet but not for photos.13:45
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Sageok, so added gdk-pixbuf thing and the output seems same as earlier from the debug without that one file13:47
Sageeven with the pixbuf photos and wallpaper doesn't work13:48
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Sageand even with flavors.conf nothing changes on my dev13:50
veskuhhmm.. I also grabbed .deb from harmattan and installed it on the device so that + flavors.conf might have been it13:51
veskuhbut .deb alone was not enough13:51
veskuhand also I manually made .thumbnails dir to home13:51
veskuhand now it contains thumbnail of the wallpaper we have13:52
veskuhand I also reseted tracker db with tracker-control -rs13:54
* Sage is guessing that media-settings-harmattan is proprietary package :)13:54
veskuhwe may need to make own conf file, there is one in tumbler-tests but it does not look usable13:57
Sageveskuh: so you have the tumbler without gdk-pixbuf support and that works now right?13:57
veskuhSage: yes, it was able to generate image of the wallpaper13:58
Sageand no maemo-video-thumbnailer either?13:58
veskuhdoesn't work in photos for some reason though13:58
Sageok, well we have new photo app in works so I wouldn't mind about that13:58
Sagewallpaper is the main thing atm. I guess13:59
veskuhSage: zgyarmati's wallpaper has flavour.conf
faenilSage: are you referring to my gallery viewer?14:02
Sagefaenil: :nod:14:04
faenilabout that, how can I create a package?14:05
faenilI haven't worked on it the last days because I'm very busy with the thesis, so I'd like to upload a
faenilto get some feedback on that and requested features14:05
faenil0. version I mean14:05
Sagefaenil: if you want I can do packaging if you give the git url and tag version. But if you want to try yourself I would recommend checking some simple package as an example e.g.
Sageveskuh: interesting14:07
faenilyeah I'd like to learn :)14:07
Sagefaenil: ok, do you have obs account already to
faenilI should yeah, it was created one or two months ago iirc14:08
faenilbut I've never used obs :)14:08
Sagethat is ok. I think someone (maybe me) needs to write guide how to submit package to for example CE:Apps repo.14:09
faenilatm I'm testing it on harmattan14:10
faenilstarted from Qt Quick template ap14:10
Sageveskuh: you hunting down for proper configs?14:11
veskuhSage: photos is failing because it expects thumps as png and they are jpeg14:11
veskuhSage: yep14:11
Sageveskuh: :P and ok14:11
Sageveskuh: I asked as I'm starting to prepare for new release and would like to get that fix in if possible.14:12
veskuhSage: this is enough of config:
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Sageveskuh: ok, I wonder where we should add that14:29
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Sageto tumbler package?14:30
veskuhSage: sounds logical14:30
Sageok, I can add that there14:30
veskuhI'll see if I can quickly fix photos also :)14:31
faenilmy gallery viewer is currently only using sourceSize limit as a realtime thumbnails creator14:34
faenilthat's not as fast, but better than nothing :D14:34
veskuhYep, with .jpeg support the photo gallery works again.14:36
Sageveskuh: ok nice14:37
Sagethe tumbler patch is in Project:MTF:UX atm.14:38
veskuhSage: it was maitrey's old patch. had to dig it from old repos but it still works.14:38
veskuhSage: yep, tumbler from repo (with conf) and deleted old thumbs. thumbnailing still works :)14:45
* w00t_CPH_ is now in oslo14:45
w00t_CPH_tiring day14:46
faenilheya w00t_CPH_14:48
Sageveskuh: any more SR's coming?14:49
veskuhDid you see the photos SR?14:49
Sageveskuh: accepted and the helium as well14:49
veskuhGood, those are it for this release :)14:49
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4327 Rejected promotion request14:52
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4328 waiting for review at
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4328 Rejected promotion request15:05
* Sage forgot debug to the tumbler15:05
phaerondid it start working ? :)15:06
Sageveskuh: noted that we are missing one config file :)15:10
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4329 waiting for review at
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veskuhSage: ok, what do I need to fix?15:11
Sageveskuh: ?15:12
Sageah, sry... extra : there :)15:12
veskuhAh :)15:12
Sageveskuh: answering to phaeron :)15:13
veskuhyep :)15:13
Sageso bugs 27,76 and 88 fixed in todays release15:14
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4329 Accepted promotion request15:23
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faenilyey :D15:24
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Sagevgrade: Khaled: <- missed this one right?15:35
faeniloh, let me give it a look :D15:36
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vgradeSage, thanks15:44
* Sage builds new nemo mobile release15:47
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Khaledvgrade: thank u so much :D16:00
Khaledwont u get any lawsuits from nokia cz thats alot of copying?16:11
SageKhaled: ?16:12
Khaledthere are lots of copying from the n916:16
Khaledgeneral ui stuff16:16
Khaledis it illegal?16:16
SageKhaled: none of those images are from N916:17
Khaledno I mean it is heavily inspired from the n9 ui16:17
SageKhaled: well the UI framework that is used in N9 is open and free and we are using same framework :)16:17
Khaledbrb food16:18
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alinux__99hi I want to give nemo a try on my N900, I am still sticking to it, as I could not find a valid multitasking alternative ... I like the hardware as well, so  I did try nitdroid ..was not really my piece of cake, Maemo is going downhill IMHO, so I want to try out Nemo "All due respect to Maemo && Nitdroid devels they are doing a great job" so I want to try out NEMO now, I know it is community based and it has it's limitations, but does it allow me to16:30
alinux__99 make / receive calls ? What about apps ?16:30
Stskeepsyes, it can do calls16:31
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alinux__99Stskeeps, thanks what about apps ? Same as Maemo or other repos available ?16:32
Stskeepswe have other repos, we're not maemo compatible16:33
Stskeepswe're closer to harmattan/n916:33
alinux__99I see16:40
alinux__99Stskeeps, what about GPS ? Working ? Any decent apps ?16:40
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Stskeepsthere's qt flying bus :)16:41
Stskeepsand GPS can work but not integrated yet16:41
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alinux__99Stskeeps, thanks for all the answers, would it be correct to say that NEMO is kind of a Harmattan community edition ? And would I be able to run N9 apps on it ?16:43
Stskeepssome stuff works and some doesn't, harmattan community edition would imply it's based on harmattan, while in fact this is based on meego16:44
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alinux__99Stskeeps, what release would you advise me to try ?16:59
alinux__99Stskeeps, latest daily or latest release ?17:01
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Stskeepswhatever is latest, we don't have dailies really :)17:04
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alinux__99Stskeeps, thanks, I hope I am not getting on your nerves, latest I found was with date 27/09/201117:07
Stskeepsyeah, that's ancient17:07
Stskeepshang on17:07
alinux__99coming from here
Stskeepsuse that instead17:07
Stskeepsand trust me, it's hard to really get on my nerves :)17:08
alinux__99Stskeeps, thanks so for updates, I can simply do that trough repos or I have to reploy images.17:10
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Stskeepswe try to make it through repos but on occasion mer core changes a lot17:13
alinux__99Stskeeps, sounds good ..will subscribe to mailing list to stay on top of things...downloading image as we speak17:14
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SageStskeeps: the phaeron's patch to remove the unnessessary builds would help for updates a lot :/17:33
Sageon next mer release basically all nemo packages will be rebuild again :/17:34
phaeronSage: I am working on packaging OBS from our git , then we will deploy it17:34
Stskeepsthough do recall that this only applies to localdep scenarios17:34
Sagephaeron: ok, good.17:34
SageStskeeps: hmmp?17:34
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StskeepsSage: as in, the patch only helps in "test build" scenarios17:35
phaeronStskeeps: build-compare is provided by mer ?17:35
SageStskeeps: I though it helps also for releases :/17:35
Stskeepsphaeron: yes17:35
StskeepsSage: it helps to some degree, much faster response in mer17:35
Stskeepsfor reviews etc17:35
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phaeronso the build-compare change will be inherited to nemo and should also help breaking the build chains17:36
phaeronprobably ..17:37
Sageany estimate when cobs gets the sb2 stuff so that new mer core can be started to be used?17:38
Stskeepswhen phaeron has packaging17:39
Sagehehe ok17:39
phaeronno pressure .. :D17:40
Stskeepsi'm exporting 0.0.3 at the moment17:40
* Sage ponders where phaeron's packaging is so that he could watch it building in live ;)17:41
phaeron initial import so far17:41
Stskeepsalso i need to verify on my newly rebased patches17:41
Khaledcan all n9 apps be ported to nemo?17:43
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timophI'd quess most of the qt/qml stuff can be. dunno the delta in the libs and qml bindings though18:18
* timoph installing weekly nemo release to ideapad18:19
timophnemo has the same memory settings thing set as meego did so it can't see more than 1G of memory?18:27
timophactually s/nemo/mer/18:27
Stskeepsyeah, i guess so18:28
timophhmmh. need to figure out out systemd stuff works18:31
timophfor starters where are the init scripts, etc. for it?18:32
* timoph needs to disable the vkb18:32
Stskeepsthere's no init scripts ;)18:33
timophbut their counterparts18:33
Stskeeps.service files18:33
timophor something18:33
* timoph headdesks a bit18:52
timophnote to self: /etc/xdg/autostart18:53
timophah. having the mouse cursor visible helps a lot18:54
timophnow to find a network cable so I can try to get wifi working..18:55
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Khaledhow can i contribute to nemo?22:14
anYc_there's a howto in the wiki afaik22:28
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Khaledwhat is a steering group?22:29
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vgrade[01:46] <Khaled> how can I contribute to nemo, are there any site for it?22:36
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Khaledno I dont to fix bugs, I have alot of thougts on the designa22:37
Khaledand the ui22:38
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Khaledwhose the designer behind it?22:39
vgrade[15:35] <Sage> vgrade: Khaled: <- missed this one right?22:39
vgradeTitle "Nemo Mobile - How to contribute"22:40
KhaledI read that so the email in that is what I should use?22:40
phaeronwell easiest if there is no bug already reported about something , is to file a bug asking for it and promising to do it22:43
Khaledthe problem is i dont have any nokia dev phones, i only have an android phone22:44
phaeronfor example bug for enhancement of home screen, and then discuss what you want to do in the bug22:45
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phaeronI think you can run it in a vm22:46
phaeronand it doesn't have to be a nokia phone22:46
Khaledcan u give me a how to ?22:46
phaeronpeople are running it on many different devices22:46
Khalednvm found it22:47
Khaledno there are only how tos for nokia phones22:47
Khaledfalse alert22:47
Khaledvgrade: do u know how to run it in vm?22:48
phaeronbut you also need to do some effort to work22:48
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