Friday, 2012-08-24

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quixote1Used bzcat nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdb (as on When I boot from the microsd it starts, blue Nemo logo comes up, then a few more error messages, then it turns itself off. Bad image download? Just start over? Or some other problem?00:33
quixote1Oh, I have a N90000:33
quixote1Maybe I should try again when the rest of the world is awake :-D00:43
specialdon't know about n900, sorry :p00:44
quixote1hey, thanks. I'll wait to see if anyone else has something for me.00:51
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6054 waiting for review at
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6054 Accepted promotion request06:33
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* Sage ponders if n900 oss/proprietary patterns should be merged06:42
Stskeepsyeah.. i see no reason for them to stay that way06:42
Stskeepsnobody ever relly used the oss ones06:42
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* Sage merges and makes Aard happy also probably ;)06:45
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Sagelbt: ping, can you provide the schema that obs uses atm. for patterns06:51
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VDVsxmorning, is there some email client already in the work for nemo ?07:12
veskuhI haven't heard of any07:12
Aardyes, though nothing developed in the open currently.07:13
Sagethere is no e-mail client in nemo atm. no and no work is being done towards afaik07:13
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VDVsxAard: humm, so why not in the open ? do you know which middleware is used then ? :)07:14
AardVDVsx: qmf07:15
rc_that's my, admittedly very first experiments, on using qmf with qml07:16
veskuhrc_: cool07:16
Aardrc_: nice. you're using the harmattan accounts subsystem?07:16
VDVsxAard: oh, mer qmf is very old, I submitted new one 2 days ago, still waiting for approval07:16
rc_as said.. it's the very very first steps... i need to wrap my head around the logic in qmf first07:17
AardVDVsx: did you take the harmattan branch of qmf, or the upstream qt branch?07:17
VDVsxAard: upstream ofc07:17
rc_and yes, currently i am doing most things on harmattan.. but the goal is to focus on nemo in the future07:17
AardVDVsx: I wonder if there are patches in the harmattan branch that didn't make it upstream, but do make sense07:17
rc_so far i get at least a list of accounts and can add accounts07:18
VDVsxAard: no, I personally toke care of that, is there's my mistake :P07:18
rc_the point i am currently struggling with is how to store passwords07:18
AardVDVsx: good, I never had time to compare those branches, so I never started do look into updating qmf. but good if it's done07:19
VDVsxAard: qmf has lots of improvements related to memory and performance, this was done for a linux platform that Nokia recently killed, still very nice improvement didn't get in, because a patent was submitted, but let's see07:19
rc_there seems to be some "magic" happening in qmf that somehow stores and retrieves passwords from an encrypted storage07:19
VDVsxAard: yup, hope it does not break your stuff, since I don't have any clients to tests, but if there's problems let me know07:20
AardVDVsx: one thing, where there accounts-related hacks directly in the harmattan branch? I'm currently working on pushing updated packages for the accounts stuff to nemo07:20
Aardrc_: that might be the harmattan accounts framework, which we'll use one nemo as well soon07:20
VDVsxAard: yes07:21
VDVsxAard: so those might need to be ported back07:21
AardVDVsx: yes. interested to look into that? :)07:21
VDVsxAard: sure07:21
VDVsxAard: so nemo uses harmattan accounts ?07:21
rc_Aard, cool.. sounds promising :)07:22
rc_and yes, i think "account framework" does ring a bell07:22
rc_btw, there is also
w00tVDVsx: we will of course have to use something, and that seems a sane option since we try to have compatibility with harmattan (+ it's a proven/working solution)Q07:23
w00tbut we don't use it yet07:23
rc_this one has a very rudimentary qml ui and i managed to manually build and run it on nemo. problem is that it uses its own imap etc. implementation07:23
AardVDVsx: yes, we'll use the same framework. it's nowadays used by canonical for ubuntu as well07:23
rc_so we figured trojita unfortunately is a dead end for us07:23
w00trc_: i'd say that qmf is a bit more battle-proven on mobile at least07:24
VDVsxw00t: Aard: woo it became so popular, not my favourite piece of SW, maybe is much better now :D07:24
rc_w00t, yeah, that's what we (stskeeps and me) agreed upon too07:24
w00tVDVsx: having lost a week or so of my life chasing a bug in glib <-> qt integration causing a rather unfortunate memory leak (at the least), I can agree with that07:24
AardVDVsx: the main problem there is the sparse documentation, but it's probably the only piece of code doing everything in the accounts area, _and_ is stable07:24
w00tbut what he said07:25
VDVsxAard: there's very good parts, just some Arch issues, but maybe is better now, and is quite stable yes07:25
AardVDVsx: the other option would be doing it ourselves. I'm pretty sure that would be a bigger mess than debugging occasional issues with the existing framework :)07:26
VDVsxrc_: so your stuff does not use any particular middleware atm ?07:27
* w00t also has QMF battle scars, fwiw07:28
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6057 Rejected promotion request07:28
w00tso if you guys are working on email, I might be able to help somewhat at some point, as i'd like to see that gap addressed07:28
w00tmy plan was going to be to take the models from the MeeGo email tablet client (it used QMF in the past, they switched to evolution before killing it, but the code is still in git history of course) and write a components UI around it07:29
VDVsxw00t: still remember what was the issues in qmf ? :D07:29
w00tbut I never had any time to start that work really (apart from patching QMF to build on OS X)07:29
w00tVDVsx: "battle scars" was mostly a joke, though back when I was using it, the biggest problem was having to do threading ourselves07:30
w00tQMailThread or whatever it's called (which I presume does it nowdays) didn't exist then07:30
VDVsxyeah, there was very basic threading implementation before harmattan07:31
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w00tthat, and OS X build issues07:31
w00tVDVsx: ironically, you partly broke that :)07:32
VDVsxbut I'm quit happy with qmf now, we managed to reduce a lot the memory in "parked" stage, like 8-9mb :D in harmattan sometimes it takes 12-14mb just to be sitting there07:32
rc_VDVsx, i am building on qmf07:32
w00tgood indeed07:32
w00tfor messageserver, you mean?07:32
VDVsxw00t: last time I build in OS X no problem07:32
VDVsxyes messageserver07:32
VDVsxI had a good week playing with massif and some other internal tools07:33
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6058 waiting for review at
rc_but as said.. there is not much functionality yet.. currently all it does is get a list of email accounts and there is the option to add an account.. however, i am right now struggling on how to store passwords07:33
rc_VDVsx, ^07:33
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6059 waiting for review at
VDVsxw00t: heh, some of those still apply now :D07:35
w00tthey should all apply07:35
w00tthey're on top of QMF master07:35
VDVsxtesting in OS X was never done :D07:35
VDVsxw00t: did you submit theses patches somewhere ?07:36
w00tI mailed Don about it, but I think he's lost the will to work on QMF07:36
w00tI would submit to gerrit, but it's not in there07:36
w00tbesides that, I haven't investigated the last patch as much as I'd like07:37
VDVsxw00t: yeah, Don is looking for new opportunities atm, ok, anyway will talk to Don and maybe Lars about this, otherwise QMF will become orphan ;D07:37
w00tcool :)07:37
* abustany wonders if the email client in N9 is using qmf's sync API07:54
abustanyI'd bet a couple of apples on that07:54
w00tVDVsx: ^07:55
VDVsxabustany: should be everything async for communication with messageserver, there's just a client lib in the middle and things are send to messageserver via qcop(kind of ipc thingy)07:57
abustanyok, interesting07:57
abustanyI always wondered why moving a message freezes the UI for 2 to 3 seconds07:57
abustanynote that it also happens for calendar07:57
abustany(and it never seemed to bother the people from these teams :) )07:57
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6060 waiting for review at
VDVsxabustany: lots of interesting things happening there, I remember those bugs, but you know very well how bug management was done in harmattan, even if the team wants to fix things was not possible08:00
abustanyyes, lots of "fun"08:00
abustany"no, you can't fix it, it's not flagged" "oooooh now it got flagged, now you need to fix it in 48h even if the bug was filed for 6 months already!"08:01
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6059 Accepted promotion request08:02
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6060 Accepted promotion request08:05
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Sagealterego, w00t, special: ok if I nuke libqttracker and libseaside or does someone need those?08:39
w00tnothing that I know of08:39
Sagelast call sort of thing :)08:39
w00tdestroy with prejudice08:39
Sagefaenil: ping08:40
specialshould be fine as long as nothing depends on libqttracker08:40
Sagespecial: nothing should as it is alone in one project :)08:40
w00tqttracker is an abomination anyway08:40
w00tabustany: do you have recollections of that? isn't that what spurred cubi? :)08:41
* abustany reads the backlog08:41
abustanywooo, qttracker08:41
Sageis someone working on video support to gallery atm. faenil ?08:41
abustanyis that still around?08:41
w00tabustany: it was in OBS, at least08:41
* Sage nukes08:41
abustanyseaside is also some old crap no?08:41
w00tnothing we have used it for a long time I think08:41
abustanywell I hope :p08:42
w00tseaside was used by meego-handset-people (which I replaced some weeks ago)08:42
Sageboth gone now08:42
Sageonly thing now is meego-handset-video and if there is some progress implementing that to gallery already.08:43
SageFor me it is enough if we can play simple video file nothing fancy just something and improve it later.08:44
Sageor at least a promise that it will be there in about a week or so ;)08:44
phdeswerIs timed still around? Getting issues with a control panel applet that depends on it...08:44
Sagephdeswer: yes it is08:45
Stskeepsphdeswer: i'm thinking to replace it with systemd-timedated08:45
Stskeepswhich seems to have fairly nice interfaces08:45
SageStskeeps: alarms and timezones as well?08:46
Sagealso remember that connman is also touching times ;)08:46
Sageso we have now 3 things there :P08:46
phdeswerDamn then I wonder what changed which causes the applets not to build now. (errors out on a fatal timed/interface include which does not exist)08:46
phdeswerAnd the biggest surprise is that it is the sound applet... WTF?08:48
Sagebad dependency maybe?08:48
Stskeepsphdeswer: sound.. what the fuck?08:48
congly85Is there any one test libnice on N9 device ?08:50
phdeswerStskeeps, Indeed. And when I add the timed dependency it fails somewhere else...  I just added one small patch that changes a bit of the USB thing and that goes fine. Why does it not build anymore with totally unrelated stuff...08:51
phdeswerAh and the timed depencency in the sound applet is for custom alarm sounds it seems.08:52
congly85Hi nemomobile developer09:00
congly85lastweek, I made a sip phone with libnice on N909:01
congly85and I got a segmentation09:01
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6061 waiting for review at
congly85Can anybody made a sip phone on N9 with libnice here ?09:02
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sledgesmorning Sage, hope you slept out the ache :)09:12
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6062 waiting for review at
Sagesledges: better but it still hurts like hell :/09:14
sledgeswhat's the most common profession in the world: a doctor -- if someone is under the weather, everyone can advise something :)09:15
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sledgeshere I go: for me it helps gargling with salt and a iodine-based spray :)09:15
sledgesback to Nemo: thanks for explaining the versioning bit yesterday09:16
sledgesand therefore accepting the poweroff quickfix :)09:16
sledgesnow is really clear09:16
* sledges is thinking about FAQ09:17
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6061 Accepted promotion request09:19
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6062 Accepted promotion request09:26
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6063 waiting for review at
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6063 Accepted promotion request09:39
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dcthangDo we have voip client for Nemo?10:19
Sagedcthang: voicecall hopefully supports SIP soon :)10:22
dcthangwhich package you mean?:)10:22
Aarddcthang: the dialer10:23
Sagevoicecall package :)10:23
dcthangWill u use libnice?10:23
Stskeepswhat is libnice..?10:23
Aarddcthang: the middleware is there, so if you're desperate you might get a call working by doing manual dbus calls :p10:23
dcthangStskeeps: it's used for NAT10:23
Sagedcthang: currently telepathy-gable and telepathy-farsight depends on libnice at least.10:24
Sagethe sip stuff (telepathy-rakia) doesn't10:24
dcthangok, Could you please give me the exact pack for that?10:25
dcthangDoes it exist on repo?10:25
Sagedcthang: the package name is "voicecall" :)10:26
Sagedcthang: also not sure if has the sip support yet in but will have soonish10:26
dcthangok, thanks. I guess this one is correct soonish10:27
dcthangah ok, still10:27
Sagealterego: can you remove that gitorious tree :)10:27
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Sageanyone interested of updating musicshelf app in nemo?11:19
Sageand phonon and phonon-backend-gstreamer :)11:20
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* w00t doesn't want to volunteer for that one11:35
rozhkovis nemo obs loaded with something? package publishing in my home project takes ages11:39
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Stskeepsnew mer prerelease11:41
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VDVsxw00t: had lunch with Don, he agreed to move qmf to infra, let's see now what is required11:44
w00tVDVsx: ++ :)11:46
w00ti guess meeting f2f with people has its benefits :)11:46
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VDVsxyup, and easy since he's my neighbour :D11:50
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w00tthat's cheating ;)12:02
w00tVDVsx: re: OS X builds, I didn't start digging around objtool (like I say, I want to do some more digging), but bisect showed that adding that caused linking to fail - and removing it made linking work again, so.. I suspect that this compiler really barfs on visibility hiding somehow12:07
w00t(gcc version 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.9.00))12:07
VDVsxhumm, I might have different compiler now since I build it, let me check what version12:08
VDVsxbut yes that visibility changes are not included in the code that I compiled, they are anyway easy to remove just to try out12:09
w00t(the reason I bring it up is that don mentioned it, he mailed me just now :-p)12:09
w00tif you could give it a shot - assuming you have OS X around - i'd appreciate the additional datapoint12:10
VDVsxare you sure you don't have any qmf old libs around as well ?12:10
w00tI hadn't touched QMF until I tried to build it that day in about.. a year, or so12:10
w00tsledges: I'm just going to import all our existing systemui patches into git, because I need to do some work in there too12:11
w00tSage: ^12:11
VDVsxhumm, something wrong with my mac, looks like some $paths are not set or gone, might be related to the OS upgrade :)12:11
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w00t10.8? I haven't been game to touch that yet :-)12:12
VDVsxw00t: I'll let you know later about the result12:12
VDVsxyes latest12:12
Sagew00t: go for it12:12
VDVsxbut I've a macbook air not very powerful to compile stuff :P12:13
w00tearly 2011 mbp12:13
w00ti feel outdated, but it's a hell of a powerful machine really12:13
sledgesw00t, my OBS patch is already (duplicated) as a pull request on github. Ok for another (trivial) patch of mine12:14
w00tsledges: i'm pulling everything from OBS12:15
sledgesthen we should discard the pull request12:15
w00tyes, that's why I was letting you know12:15
w00t17 patches12:15
w00t2804 lines total12:16
w00tnot bad...12:16
sledgesI will improve the bits Ionakka told me to, after you've imported12:16
w00tBMC_14873_reset_dad_on_rotation.patch: dropping (as I'm working on removing the lockscreen from sysuid)12:18
sledgespoor dad12:19
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6067 waiting for review at
w00tI wonder if BMC_21860_battery_charging_animation.patch could be the cause for high CPU use on charger plugged in12:22
w00tSage: ^12:22
VDVsxw00t: found my gcc should be the same, they moved these tools to /Developer/usr... a bit strange since that dir is not in the system path O_o i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5664)12:32
w00tXcode 4.3 changed that I think12:32
VDVsxmaybe was that, I installed the latest XCode some weeks ago12:32
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6065 waiting for review at
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alteregoSage: do you mean remove the "voicecall" gitorious tree?13:04
sledgesI'm pretty sure Sage does mean that, alterego13:11
sledgesalterego, are you in power to remove the orphaned gitorious/meegotouch-systemui as well? it has a new home under github/nemomobile/13:11
veskuhHWKB + VKB combo having issues or did something go wrong for me when I did zypper up?13:12
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6068 waiting for review at
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Sagealterego: yes I mean that.13:32
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rozhkovSage: it's recommended to accept SR#6068 together with SR#6069 and SR#6070 :)13:42
rozhkovSage: btw, do yo have plan to move policy-settings-basic-n9* to adaptation?13:43
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Sagerozhkov: yes those should go to adaptations with the new nemo structure13:44
Sagerozhkov: will be building adaptations against nemo:mw then13:45
Sagecurrently adaptations builds against mer core13:45
rozhkovright... though this bugs me a bit - adaptation depending on mw13:46
Sagerozhkov: you should learn how to do creq :)13:46
rozhkovSage: what's that?13:46
Sagerozhkov: doing multiple packages in one SR thus not breaking stuff if all not accepted at once13:46
Sageosc creq -a submit prj pkg prj2 -a submit prj pkg2 prj2 ...13:47
rozhkovSage: thanks, will write it down13:47
Sagerozhkov: well adaptation depending on mw concerns me a bit as well, but how would you solv that?13:48
Sagenemo mw components have hw dependant things and hw adaptaitons should really be separated from everything else13:48
Sagecurrently policy and usb-moded stuff is in mw and ux ;)13:48
Sagethe hw adaptation related configs of thsoe13:49
rozhkovSage: i think these policy settings are about productization, not adaptation13:49
rozhkovalso customization comes to my mind...13:51
Sagewell, some of it is maybe customization but I would say some is adaptation or even common stuff that should be shared between all adaptations13:51
Stskeepscan we include files in policy?13:52
SageStskeeps: ?13:52
Stskeepsrozkov somewhat makes sense - there's adaptation, and then there's device behaviour (ui related)13:52
SageStskeeps: well, the only thing we would depend on nemo:mw is that those mw components are not in mer core ;)13:53
* w00t watches frankensysuid build13:53
sledges"is ALIVE"!13:54
w00tnot yet, it isn't13:56
w00tI hope it might this time13:56
* Sage ponders why pandaboard kernel (3.4.0) booted without the -mno-unaligned-access patch13:58
SageStskeeps: ^13:58
StskeepsSage: they fixed it there13:59
SageStskeeps: sure about that or just a guess?13:59
Sagewhat version they fixed it in?14:00
Stskeepsfairly sure14:00
alteregosledges: I think half the problem is that no one has access to the stuff in the meego project ;) That is why we're forking everything to github :)14:00
alteregosledges: but voicecall is my own project so :)14:01
alteregoStskeeps, Sage: When will new ofono be available in nemo?14:01
sledgesalterego, I sensed that :))14:01
Stskeepsalterego: -next, building14:01
sledgesin hope you'd be a github admin :)14:02
alteregotelepathy-ring needs to be updated at some point14:03
alteregoDoesn't seem to use the proper Call interface sthat new telepathy provides, it's still using this old MediaStream stuff. doesn't really matter, but would make my code a _lot_simpler :)14:04
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* w00t loves messages 0.0.214:17
w00tchat history is delightful14:17
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Sagew00t: should google talk work on the qmlmessages/contacts now?14:30
w00tyou can send messages over xmpp (gtalk) yes14:31
w00tthere is not (yet) any contacts integration for that though14:31
alteregoI need to integrate contacts into commhistory declarative I guess.14:31
alteregoOr does it need to be lower or higher?14:31
w00tyou already have the QML contacts import, you won't need anything additional14:32
w00tI was meaning that there's no button in contacts to send messages et14:32
* alterego disables ofono voice call provider and enables telepathy provider :)14:32
* alterego prepares for new release.14:32
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6072 waiting for review at
Sagehmmp... I tried to send jabber message and got sms error not14:36
Stskeepsanybody in here who's interested in camera sensors, open source camera libraries, etc?14:38
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Sagew00t: we are missing one graphical asset when message is sent to user apparently14:43
w00tin statusbar? i noticed that too now14:44
Sagealso enter key in messages doesn't sent message14:44
w00tstill, how cool is it that it *works*? :P14:44
w00tand chat history.. that's awesome14:44
Sagew00t: very cool14:44
Sageping me more ;)14:44
Sageand again14:45
alteregoHrm, not sure I like that white bar home screen page indicator at the top ..14:46
w00talterego: it'll make more sense in the future when there's more pages as venemo is planning14:46
w00ti think i'd like it more in landscape mode (assuming it didn't move to the top of the screen there..)14:47
w00tanyway, at least we have something very easy to hack, now14:47
alteregoIt just looks out of place and it's too close to the icons14:47
alteregoAdd a margin and change the color :)14:48
w00ttalk to venemo14:48
w00the's working on the homescreen, i'm just helping enabling it14:48
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quixote1Trying to get Nemo on microsd on my N900. Used bzcat nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdb (as on When I boot from the microsd it starts, blue Nemo logo comes up, then a few more error messages, then it turns itself off. Anybody else had this happen? Or just a bad image download?14:59
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alteregow00t: how does qmlmessages have history without commhistory?16:04
alteregoHome brew?16:04
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Sagequixote1: low batttery maybe?16:24
Sagequixote1: or display blanks, have you tried if pressing powerbutton shortly shows lockscreen?16:24
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quixote1The battery had plenty of power. Haven't tried the short press of powerbutton. I'll try that. I'll also try to read the gray on black error msgs which zipped by kind of fast.16:34
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6073 waiting for review at
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6070 waiting for review at
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6069 waiting for review at
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6066 Rejected promotion request17:58
faenilSage, ping18:02
faenilsorry, I've been out all day, back now ;)18:03
faenilhope it's not too late :P18:04
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Sagefaenil: hi18:15
Sagefaenil: you have videos working? ;)18:15
faenilhi :)18:15
faenilSage, yes ;)18:16
faenilSage, just trying to get it in shape...18:16
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faenilQML Video has some annoying flickering which happens when I overlap UI elements to the video playback (like a menu or something)18:16
Sagefaenil: minor things18:17
faenilSage, yeah, but since we're there ;) is there a deadline? :D18:17
Sagefaenil: Well, I'm doing snapshot images on monday maybe or sooner depending when mer release is published18:18
faeniloh well, lots of time :)18:19
faenilSage, I actually got also HW Acc video playback to work :) (on some formats), but that requires packages to be added, we'll look into that later :)18:20
Sagefaenil: oh, nice.18:21
faenilsledges, hey :)18:22
veskuhfaenil: video formats  sounds like stuff that should be written to wiki so that others do not need to experiment with what works18:22
sledgesahoj faenil keep up the good work18:23
veskuhfaenil: anyway, cool stuff18:23
faenilsledges, :)18:23
faenilveskuh, yeah, need to gather some info about that, once I fix the current problems with the "video player" (i.e. that flickering)18:23
faenilveskuh, do you know anything about that by any chance? Video tries to draw on the UI, and UI tries to draw on video, so I get flickering (this only happens when UI and video overlap)18:24
veskuhfaenil: Personally no.18:25
faenilok np18:26
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Sagefaenil: make a pull request to qmlgallery if you want so people can read and comment. Someone might spot something.18:28
faenilSage, I'll do that once I have run out of ideas :)18:29
faenilstill have to try some things18:29
Sageok :)18:29
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Sageoh, rdelete --resursive --force actually can delete projects that people depend on good :)18:35
Sagelbt: something wrong with cbos18:39
Sagelbt: lots of stuff is blocked but almost nothing is building18:39
Sage <- for example18:40
Sagewhyt all the "clocks"18:40
Sagephaeron: ^ just in case you are here as well ;)18:40
phaeronSage: maybe publisher is ill18:42
phaeronwoah load 2018:45
phaeronlbt: ping18:45
Sageeh :)18:45
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6072 Rejected promotion request18:46
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Venemo_N9any input on the new home screen is greatly appreciated18:49
faenilVenemo_N9, read backlog, alterego has some feedback ;)18:51
specialalterego: yes, I just hacked it in for the moment, I'll port it to the real declarative solution once that is ready enough.18:51
Sagespecial: nice work on qmlmessages btw :)18:51
specialSage: thanks :)18:51
faenilspecial, you know you'll hate me when you'll receive the pull request, don't you :D18:52
faenilwhen you receive*18:52
Venemo_N9faenil, ah ok. I'll read the channel log18:52
specialfaenil: that big?18:54
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faenilspecial, nope, but it's one commit :/ I couldn't split it in many parts, didn't make much sense to me :/18:55
faenilyou'll still love me, won't you :D18:57
Venemo_N9alterego, feel like discussing your ideas?18:57
SageStskeeps: nemo snapshot with mer next will be delayed as there is some problem with cobs atm.18:59
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faenilspecial, ... :P19:05
specialfaenil: we can manage19:06
phaeronthe kde stuff is really heavy19:06
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faenilspecial, know anything about what could cause the flickering of overlapping UI elements? video and anything over it19:07
specialonly while video is playing, or always?19:08
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faenilspecial, only when playing, but when it's not, the screen stays seems QML doesn't repaint the video element19:14
faenilspecial, when playing, I open menu and get flicker, when not playing I pause video (the image of the pause video is there), open menu --> no flicker but paused video disappears19:15
faenilas if they're drawing on two different surfaces and one ignores the other19:15
phaeronSage: kicked the publisher , hope it works now19:15
specialfaenil: they probably are drawing on a different surface19:16
faenilspecial, yeah...though it keeps calling QGraphicsVideoItem::paint while the menu is opening...but the screen stays black19:17
faenilso essentially, they're both trying to draw one on top of the other19:17
faenilany idea?19:17
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specialI'd have to look at it19:18
faenilok ;)19:19
faenilspecial, using a QGLWidget as viewport now though ;)19:20
faenilbecause that's the fix for the lag issue ;)19:21
specialthat's very strange; meegographicssystem handles switching to GL (graphicssystem, though, not widget) automatically.19:21
faenilthere was a warning about "flushing a native child widget"19:22
faenilso I force the gl viewport, and that fixed it :)19:23
faenilflushing to *19:23
specialthe question is why19:25
faenilspecial, I know another guy who had the same problem on harmattan (though not with the qml video)19:27
Sagephaeron: thx. I can still see those clocks around different projects. Maybe it needs more time19:28
phaeronit gets stuck again  on Project:KDE:Devel/CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7l19:30
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faenilspecial, though the first question is, why does the QGraphicsVideoItem exist once the Video item is destroyed? (and keeps painting)19:30
specialyes, that's part of what I mean by "why"19:32
specialregardless, I think you should submit it sooner, before trying to make everything perfect.19:33
specialrelease early and often, push even earlier and more often19:33
Sagephaeron: :/19:33
faenilspecial, k ...19:35
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Venemoalterego, ping19:40
phaeronSage: yes it needs time19:41
Venemohey phaeron :) how are you?19:44
phaeronVenemo: hello19:45
Venemoseen the new home screen?19:46
* Sage removes more of projects from cobs that are not needed19:48
Sagenow that removing works :P19:48
phaeronVenemo: nope not yet :)19:49
faenilspecial, could be double buffering issue19:49
phaeronmaybe when new nemo comes out19:49
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faenildoes anyone have harmattan booted right now?19:57
Sagefaenil: sure19:58
faenilSage, could you please check if the toolbar to play/pause/whatever is displayed on top of the video19:58
faenilor if the video is resized?19:59
faenil(in gallery in harmattan)19:59
faenil(not the separate video player ^^)19:59
Sagefaenil: yes20:00
Sagecontrols appear on top of the video20:00
faenilSage, ok thanks ;)20:00
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* Sage throws rocks at cobs and goes away.20:16
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quixote1Sage (way back, hours ago) suggested short press of power button for my Nemo install problem. Yes! That works!  (Now I find out I don't know how to get back to main screen from Settings. :rollseyes: Swipe! That's it. I'm trainable.)20:35
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faenilspecial, fwiw, I don't have such problems using qtgstreamer, and what's sad is I don't know if this makes me sad or happy20:52
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faenilQDeclarativeVideo.cpp is from 2009, gh :(21:00
specialfaenil: my uninformed guess would be that qtgstreamer is using very basic rendering through QGV, and QML Video is doing something a bit more intensive21:02
faenilspecial, but there are no problems on Symbian, if you see this
specialthere's a good chance it's fixable with the right tweak somewhere.21:03
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faenilyou know what, I'll just try right now on my gf's N8, same code21:04
specialI'm not very interested in what happens on symbian, everything is different on symbian.21:05
faenilfair enough21:07
faenilspecial, on qtgstreamer's QML player I have to set the surface myself, and it gets it from main.cpp21:07
faenilwhile QML Video most likely creates a new surface...that's the problem imho21:07
faenilat least that's what I see here,ù21:08
faenilat least that's what I see here,ù21:08
faenilat least that's what I see here,
specialI'm not worried about having bugs in new features. If it can play video and it looks mostly okay, it's good enough to start21:08
faenilyeah I know your thought :( get it out and fix it after..21:09
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specialamong other things, I can't offer suggestions or insights until I can see the problem21:15
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faenilspecial, agree21:20
phdesweranybody any idea what the exact difference between Requires: pkgconfig(qmsystem2) and Requires: qmsystem is?21:25
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w00tphdeswer: one looks it up using pkgconfig, one doesn't - as for why that's useful, i'm not sure21:46
Stskeepsphdeswer: when there is a foo.pc file, a Provides: pkgconfig(foo) dep is made21:47
phdeswerw00t, problem is that it seems to behave very differently. It seems to pull in different versions, or even none...21:47
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Venemoactually, Requires: pkgconfig(something) is very useful because it works accross different distributions and package naming conventions21:49
Venemofor example, Qt is packaged as a single package on Fedora, but many other distros separate it to different packages by modules.21:50
Venemobut I can just say: Requires: pkgconfig(QtCore) and it will grab the necessary packages everywhere.21:51
phdeswerWell it does seem to do very weird things with qmsystem...21:52
Venemowhat does it do exactly?21:53
phdeswerwith pkgconfig I don't even know if it is found. If I force it with package version it pulls in the right version, but then things explode in the controlpanel-applets.21:53
phdeswerOf course it does not help that all these meegotouch things have code duplication and stuff to work around a missing qmsystem.21:55
phdeswerAnd it does not help that obs does not leave a buildroot where you can go dig into to find out what might be happening.21:56
phdeswerGuess I will have to go local build or so on this.21:56
Stskeepsgrab mer platform sdk and it should be a breeze21:58
VenemoStskeeps +121:58
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VenemoStskeeps, btw, could you please update "mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-latest.tar.bz2" at ? it seems to be not the latest anymore21:59
phdeswerStskeeps, think I grabbed that already sometime. Need to check again what I did with it and how it works.22:00
VenemoStskeeps, actually I was tricked into thinking that it's the latest, while it's more than a month older than the actual latest one22:00
phdeswerWtf? With the dependency removed it fails in the same place as with Requires:qmsystem >=, however I know in that case qmsystem is there as my changes which rely on qmsystem changes in that version compile.22:05
* phdeswer does not like not knowing enough of obs (or its lack of transparency)22:05
StskeepsRequires:? don't you mean BuildRequires: \22:06
phdeswerStskeeps, yes sorry22:06
phdeswerGetting a bit confused with deb/rpm terminology22:08
phdeswerI think...22:08
Stskeepsso, the problem is you get pulled in the wrong package during build phase?22:09
phdeswerStskeeps, checking it atm... Or that somehow something else happens with the build22:10
phdeswerShould have been looking into the logs deeper.22:12
Stskeepscheck chroot setup phase as a start22:13
phdeswerStskeeps, was already ahead of you there.22:17
phdeswerBut I think I will have to check the chroot contents. Running a last test build now to get those logs...22:18
Stskeepsbbl sleep22:18
* phdeswer has the feeling something goes wrong with an include.22:18
phdeswerStskeeps, goodnight!22:18
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phdeswerHow can I find out the difference between qmsystem- and qmsystem- Seems BuildRequires: pkgconfig(...) and ... >= gives different packages22:24
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phdeswerWTF? Yet another version (but looks like the right one this time)...22:28
w00tphdeswer: that's just a rebuild, i'm pretty sure you'll find22:30
w00t=> no changes22:30
phdeswerw00t, Weirdly enough different results22:36
w00tdifferent in what way?22:36
w00tthe rebuild is most likely caused by the mer upgrade in OBS, so a lot of stuff will rebuild/change while that's going on22:36
phdeswerNow it seems to have grabbed the right one, build with the the HAVE_QMSYSTEM define and it fails still22:37
phdeswerw00t, in one case it builds. In the other not.22:37
phdeswerIn one case it has HAVE_QMSYSTEM in the other not, despite qmsystem being there...22:38
w00twhich package is this?22:38
phdeswerThat is even weirder.22:38
w00tand how is HAVE_QMSYSTEM set?22:38
phdeswerI am trying to add the mtp functionality. Without my patch it builds. With it, it fails in some part of the build that is not even remotely touched...22:39
w00talways fun22:39
phdeswerThe HAVE_QMSYSTEM is set by some configure script that writes a some .pri file I believe22:39
w00tis this in OBS, or a local build?22:39
phdeswerOBS still22:39
phdeswerIt is weird. Branch it builds. Add a patch that touches two files, it fails (and not in the patched files but with something totally unrelated)22:41
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phdeswerWell at first it failed in the patched area since it pulled in what must have been the wrong qmsystem version.22:42
phdeswerIt does not help that the whole Qt/C++ thing is something I only touched rarely and don't know so well22:43
phdeswerWell I will throw in a local build later today. Time for me to go to sleep. Thanks guys.22:46
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niqtcan someone help me with obs?23:22
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