Monday, 2012-08-27

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SageStskeeps: really11:45
Stskeepstry it in virtualbox11:45
* Sage ponders if that is part of the issues w00t was talking about. 11:45
faenilSage, didn't get your point :)11:46
Sagefaenil: ?11:46
faenilSage, similar bugs comment :)11:46
Sagefaenil: showing only videos or photos filtering is just a special case of tags11:47
faenilSage, :/11:47
Sagefaenil: or at least I think so11:47
faenilSage, still don't get it :/11:48
faenilSage, with tags you mean words you attach to files to be able to look for them in easier way right?11:49
faenilare we talking about the same "tags" ?11:49
Sageyes, with tags I mean that11:49
faeniland why would it have showing only photos or videos as a special case? :/11:49
faenilwith I mean something like what you have in Symbian's phonebook11:53
MerbotBug 412: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Add possibility to show only videos or only pictures11:53
Sagewell, filtering photos based on tags, size, date etc. is pretty much the same thing on the user level? Tags is just thing that needs to be added to photos11:53
Sagefaenil: if you have tags in photos filtering base don tags, size, date, filetype, etc. is the same thing for all, right?11:53
* Sage might be thinking too simplyfied 11:53
faenilsorry I'm not getting it, can you rephrase?11:54
faenildon tags?11:54
Sageso files have certain properties: size, date, filetype, tags (when we can add them) etc.11:55
Sageso filtering the gallery based on any of those is essentially the same thing just the property which is filtered changes.11:55
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faenilso you want one bug for all filtering purposes? :P11:57
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faenilNEMO#001: add filtering to whatever is possible :D11:57
Sagefaenil: well not sure anymore actually :)11:58
Sagefaenil: but filtering in general is one thing what can be the property for filetering might be one bug for each11:58
StskeepsSage: that image is just foobar11:59
StskeepsSage: i get dialer up and things crashing11:59
SageStskeeps: could be the prelink issue?11:59
Stskeepssomething's not right11:59
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Stskeepson x86?11:59
Stskeepsgot an exopc or the likes?11:59
Stskeepstry to boot up x86 image11:59
* Sage goes to search his exo12:00
faenilSage, filtering is already offered by QML APIs :) but integrating it into the UI is a totally different task depending on the property12:01
faenilfiltering to show only images or only videos means adding an entry in the menu with 2 checkboxes...12:02
faenilfilename filtering, as special also said during our daily discussion, is far distant because it requires work on the UI12:02
Sagefaenil: well, I'm mainly pondering now from the user point of view not thinking about the code ;)12:03
faenilSage, :)12:03
faenilSage, so, since they're different jobs, I'd leave those two bugs separated... ;)12:04
faenilSage, if you agree of course12:05
Sagefaenil: fair enough12:06
faenilok ;)12:06
SageStskeeps: my exo doesn't boot to ux even with the image12:07
StskeepsSage: yes, i manually uxlaunched12:07
StskeepsSage: something's not right12:07
faenilSage, one request, please try to be more specific when filing bugs... write all the features that bug is about :)12:08
Elleomade a version of my kindle reader for nemo if anyone's interested :)
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StskeepsElleo: cool12:09
Sagefaenil: well, at the time I wrote the bug I didn't think about all of those things :)12:09
Sagefaenil: just started to think when I saw your bug :)12:09
Sagebut yes sry12:10
Sageok, time to get back to the desk to check the exopc stuff12:10
faenilSage, oh np ;) that was just a request, since I've seen you tend to be very concise :D12:10
faenilSage, good luck with that ;)12:10
StskeepsSage: it might be getty related12:10
Sagelol my exopc's battery is totally dead. It doesn't stay on at all :D12:11
faenilouch :D12:12
Stskeepsnot impossible12:12
Sageor maybe charging doesn't work for some reason12:12
faenilSage, how's your throat instead? (a bit OT)12:12
Sagefaenil: better, but still not 100% went to doctor today and got antibiotics12:12
faenilgood :)12:12
SageI'm taking it easy atm. as you can see ;)12:13
faenilyeah :)12:14
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SageStskeeps: VT_ACTIVATE failed: operation not permitted12:20
Sagebefore that failed to load fbdev module module not found12:20
SageStskeeps: did the previous -next boot fine?12:25
StskeepsSage: i think so, do you still have old image?12:25
* Sage installs nemo to the device to debug more12:27
Sage         Process: 2164 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/uxlaunch (code=killed, signal=KILL)12:36
Sage^C[root@localhost autostart]# uxlaunch12:38
Sagesh: /sbin/udevadm: No such file or directory12:38
Sagesay what12:39
Sagebut still the error that it really fails is12:40
SageFatal server error:12:40
Sage[   668.916] xf86OpenConsole: VT_ACTIVATE failed: Operation not permitted12:40
Stskeepsyes, i really thought i fixed that12:41
Stskeepscat /etc/group ?12:41
Sagecrw-rw---- 1 root video 4,  0 1970-01-01 00:00 /dev/tty012:43
Sagecrw-rw---- 1 nemo nemo  4,  1 1970-01-01 00:00 /dev/tty112:43
Stskeepsremove tty1 ?12:45
Sagegrr... wrong dev :)12:45
Sagewell, same restul12:46
* Sage removes tty112:46
Stskeepsas in12:46
Sagexf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 1 (No such file or directory)12:46
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Sageerr.. :)12:46
corp769Hey guys12:46
Stskeeps'lo corp76912:47
corp769I'm impressed already....12:47
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corp769Normally I get on IRC channels for support, and I have to wait for people to reply... You two have beat me to it :P12:47
corp769*when I get12:47
Stskeepswhat, you expect support? ;)12:48
remhi, I got the nemo in oracle vm, how to simulate the home button ?12:48
SageStskeeps: well that helps12:48
* Sage checks systemd sources12:48
Stskeepsrem: swipe up from bottom12:48
Stskeepswith house12:48
Stskeepser, mouse12:48
remthanks, you mean left  click drag ?12:49
remwell it does not work, maybe I have a resolution problem, only I can see is the "settings" icon12:50
Stskeepsrem: move from bottom of screen, hold down mouse left button, move upwards12:50
remI tried it did not work :-(  But multi touch works with left ctrol + left click : cool!12:51
Stskeepsshould work :)12:52
SageStskeeps: ok so removing the getty and lipstick and all is ok :)12:52
remnow it got it: swipe from left to right ( left click drag gesture ), that minimize windows and then close :-)12:52
corp769So question - How stable is nemo on the n900?12:52
StskeepsSage: hmm12:53
StskeepsSage: fix in systemd?12:53
Stskeepscorp769: well, it's not end user friendly but it works12:53
Stskeepscorp769: try it out and make your own opinion, use a microsd12:53
corp769yeah I was going to man12:53
corp769i just might run it up in a VM first12:53
Stskeepsbe aware VM has a compositor problem12:53
corp769is all the hardware fully supported? or still working on it?12:55
corp769and ok, thanks12:55
remtwingo crashed :-( , what is emulated in VM the lan or wlan or both ?12:56
Stskeeps lan only12:56
SageStskeeps: systemd-187/           $(LN_S) $(systemunitdir)/getty@.service getty@tty1.service )12:56
SageStskeeps: there is your problem12:56
Sagenot the [Install]12:56
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Stskeepscan we %exclude in systemd?12:57
Sagehowever also
corp769Stskeeps, well i would rather use my n900 all the time, so yeah, just VM for now12:57
SageStskeeps: we can yes12:57
corp769i need your opinion, in this case... what is the best "stable" alternate OS for the n900 then?12:59
corp769not sure if i worded that right12:59
corp769nemo looks the most promising though...13:00
remNeed a tip: suppose I have an app that runs on Meego, how can I deploy to Nemo VM or device quickly?13:00
Stskeepsscp, maybe13:00
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corp769was going to say scp as well13:01
SagelibEGL warning: failed to create a pipe screen for i91513:01
Sagewith lipstick13:01
Stskeepsfairly normal13:01
Sagelipstick starts bug nothing shows in the screen13:02
Stskeepsin VM or on exo?13:02
remI will try VM first, then exo, then N95013:03
faenilSage, about lipstick black screen issue, I'd also give this a look, could be helpful13:03
Stskeepssage, that is13:03
faeniltwo people had the same problem yesterday13:03
SageStskeeps: exo13:04
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StskeepsSage: if you send systemd to gerrit, that'd be good13:06
SageI'll do that after I test it works13:11
corp769alright i'm out guys, will be back on later. i just downloaded the latest image, going to run it up after i wake up and check everything out.13:13
corp769take care all13:13
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alteregoSage: how long until next release?13:40
Sagealterego: send me instant fix from the bronchitis and it will be couple of hours ;)13:42
* alterego sends sage a 9mm handgun :P13:43
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MerbotBug 413: critical, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, lipstick-colorful-home shows only black screen on x8614:10
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alteregoSage: it's mcompositor, just that black screen bug.15:30
Sagealterego: was w00t looking into that previously already?15:31
Sageis it this ?15:32
MerbotBug 408: normal, Undecided, ---, robin+mer, ASSIGNED, mcompositor no_mce.patch should be removed15:32
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alteregoDon't believe so, I think it's a long standing issue.15:36
alteregoAnd no, that isn't the bug.15:36
alteregoMaybe it's related, not sure.15:37
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Sagephaeron: hi, time for kicking the rest?15:54
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faenilSage, updates on release time?16:02
Sagefaenil: not atm.16:02
* Sage is worried about the lipstick issue :/16:02
faenilSage, yeah read that :/ I guess it will be fixed in a sec once Venemo is online16:03
faenilI would give it a look if it didn't have pugins here and there16:04
phaeronSage: I tried yesterday night16:05
phaeronbut still didn't get stuff moving16:05
phaeronwill give it a try now16:05
Sagephaeron: ok, thanks for the effort anyway. I know you should be on vacation ;)16:06
alteregoWhat's this lipstick issue?16:07
Sagealterego: on x86 it shows only black screen16:08
alteregoAny kind of debugging information?16:08
SageXorg works as I can see the systemui messages and if I change back to meegotouch-home16:08
Sagealterego: see
MerbotBug 413: critical, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, lipstick-colorful-home shows only black screen on x8616:08
Sagealterego: if you have info how to debug more let me know16:09
* alterego checks source16:09
faenilSage, your log shows a clear error ,qrc:/qml/pages/AppLauncher.qml:40:5: QML GridView: Binding loop detected for property "height"16:09
faenilloaded the Generic plugin16:09
faenilwithout loaded XD16:09
alteregofaenil: that wouldn't cause it to not render.16:10
alteregoI'm more suspicious of the last line16:10
faenilalterego, that's true too16:10
faenilno the last line isn't it16:10
faenilthat's just a warning saying that it hasn't found an image for an icon16:10
alteregoOh yeah, you're right.16:10
faenilI only see height loop, and that sensor not granted16:11
alteregoI wonder whether it's the compositor issue we get for some apps on x8616:11
Sagealterego: about the last line
MerbotBug 401: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Error message printed when rotating device from landscape to portrait16:11
alteregoSage: Can you try running it with a different graphics system?16:11
faenilSage, Venemo already answered that here, don't know if you've read it before commenting :)
Sagefaenil: I read thus I commented about the bug :)16:12
Sagefaenil: for me it didn't cause any black screen issue just the line printed16:12
alteregoYour probably can't override that from command line -_-16:13
faenilSage, ok ;)16:13
alteregoSage: what is the package and which project is this in obs?16:15
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Sagealterego: CE:UX:MTF (Project:MTF:UX as devel)16:15
Sagelipstick and lipstick-colorful-home16:15
alteregoIf I try a patch, can you test it? I don't have any x86 hardware setup.16:16
alteregoI'll build it in my obs, you just need to install it and try ;)16:17
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Sagealterego: sure16:18
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faenilhey Venemo_N9 :)17:15
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qwazixI brainstormed a bit about some logos for nemo:
Sagealterego: found something?17:22
Stskeepsqwazix: i kinda like the second obe17:23
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qwazixStskeeps, that was the first idea I had, I think the first one is a bit more unique and memorable and I think I like it more, but I think the second one is good too, a bit more "serious".17:25
Venemo_N9qwazix, hey! you are exactly the person I was looking for17:26
qwazixVenemo_N9, I'm all ears :)17:26
Venemo_N9qwazix, I've always wanted someone who is into UI design17:27
qwazixperfect! What can I do?17:27
Venemo_N9I'm implementing the home screen for Nemo and I'd love to discuss some concepts with you17:27
Venemo_N9have you had a chance to look at the new home screen yet?17:28
qwazixI've got the latest lipstick from the repos. Is there anything newer?17:28
qwazixlatest as of last week, my N950 doesn't boot for an unknown reason the last few days17:29
qwazixHave you seen my sketches regarding the home screen?
Venemo_N9latest colourful-home as of last week should be dune17:30
Venemo_N9I haven't seen your blog yet, but I'll read it when I get home17:31
Venemo_N9I took a brief look from the N917:31
qwazixI have some thoughts there mostly based on your work and harmattan17:32
Venemo_N9based on my work? that's very nice17:33
qwazixYes, I made sure I installed latest lipstick before sketching anything, because I didn't want to specify anything that would require work to be undone17:34
qwazixAlso if you are aware of a system better suited for UI collaboration and prototyping than a blog, we'd better use that.17:36
Venemo_N9thanks :)17:36
Venemo_N9I'll be right back17:36
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Venemohi again17:42
qwazixVenemo, pong17:42
SageVenemo: saw the problems with x86 and lipstick?17:48
VenemoSage, not yet17:48
Venemowhat problems are there?17:48
SageVenemo: screen is just black when the lipstick starts17:48
Sagenothing is shown17:48
SageVenemo: see
MerbotBug 413: critical, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, lipstick-colorful-home shows only black screen on x8617:49
Venemothis is awful17:49
VenemoI'll have a look17:49
Sageon arm it works fine, so maybe something related to the graphics system or so as alterego suggested17:49
phaeronSage: I've poked a bit let's see how far it goes , will continue after dinner17:50
VenemoSage, you are talking about Nemo on x86 or other distros?17:50
SageVenemo: nemo on x8617:51
VenemoSage, ok, I'll have a look17:51
SageVenemo: if I go back to meegotouch-home it works fine but when starting colorful-home it is just blank screen. I can see messages from sysuid though17:51
Venemoany messages related to the error?17:52
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SageVenemo: nah, you can see all the stuff printed in the bug 41317:53
MerbotBug normal, Low, ---, not-taken, NEW, Build loops happen17:53
Sageerr... not that one.
MerbotBug 413: critical, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, lipstick-colorful-home shows only black screen on x8617:53
VenemoSage, ok, I see.17:53
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the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6076 Accepted promotion request17:57
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VenemoSage, ah, I found the bug. nasty thing.18:09
VenemoSage, it's unrelated to architecture or graphics system18:09
SageVenemo: oh?18:10
Sagehow did it happen on x86 only then?18:10
Venemothere is a qml timer which is configured improperly. (that's the actual bug.) and your x86 device probably didn't have an accelerometer.18:11
faenilso it was the sensor line18:12
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SageVenemo: yes, no sensors on my x8618:12
Venemoyou see, originally the thing always launched in landscape. so when you held the device in portrait mode, it would still launch in landscape and then flicker and then rotate into portrait.18:12
Venemoto eliminate this, I set the visibility of the desktop to false and show it after receiving the first orientation event. for devices without such a sensor I added a timer which would show it anyway.18:13
faenilso that is also why it takes longer to show18:14
faenilthan home18:14
Venemoyes, this is an ugly workaround18:14
VenemoI need a way to get the current orientation when the thing launches.18:14
Venemoand pass that into the QML18:14
lpotter-homedevice or gui orientation?18:18
faenillpotter-home, what you doing up at this time? :D18:18
faenillpotter-home, hi anyway :D18:18
lpotter-homehi. I always wake up this early18:19
faenilwow :)18:19
Venemolpotter-home, device orientation18:19
Stskeepslpotter-home: what is it there, 6:30?18:19
faenil4 I gues18:19
Stskeepsah, that's early18:19
lpotter-homeVenemo: use sensors from mobility18:19
faenillpotter-home, problem is the device has no sensors :P18:20
Venemolpotter-home, I need the same data as what the QML OrientationSensor reads, but I need to read it immediately (and only once)18:20
Venemoso I don't want to listen to events, just read it once18:20
lpotter-homefaenil: my HP laptop has accelerometer.18:20
faenillpotter-home, and? :/18:21
lpotter-homeand I used that for initial sensor gesture development :)18:21
faenilgood :) I meant the device we're having the issue on doesn't have sensors...but Venemo is probably talking about something else atm ;)18:22
lpotter-homeVenemo: is this a pure qml app? or has a c++ backend18:23
crevetorVenemo: it's funny cause I was reading the code the other day and was like "hum, there's something fishy about this. It could easily break"18:24
Venemocrevetor, and it did18:24
crevetorVenemo: indeed it did18:24
Venemolpotter-home, it's just QML, but it uses the lipstick plugin to make it a home screen18:24
Venemolpotter-home, I want to read the current sensor state (without waiting for events) and pass it to the root context of the QML, thus preventing flickering on startuo18:25
lpotter-homeuse OrientationSensor element from QtMobility, and get that value from orientation18:29
Venemolpotter-home, okay :)18:32
Stskeepsdo we know why lipstick crashes on x86?18:32
faenilStskeeps, yeah it seems so18:34
VenemoStskeeps, it doesn't crash18:34
Stskeepswhat happens18:34
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Venemoit was an awful bug18:35
VenemoI'm glad to see it gone18:35
faenilVenemo, I remember you told you didn't have problems with ListView and snapToOneItem18:37
faenil(the reason which made me rewrite the whole list controller for qmlgallery)18:37
Venemofaenil, I actually switched to PathView and it's a LOT better18:39
Venemounfortunately I haven't been able to tweak it quite as much as I'd liked to18:39
faenilVenemo, anyway, I have the same bug (iirc) I had in the gallery before adding support to landscape...18:40
faenilVenemo, and this is lipstick-example (not yours) so it should be using ListView18:40
Venemofaenil, actually, I wrote lipstick example too - at least much of it18:43
Venemosince it was actually nice and simple, I decided to leave it as an example and started working on the serious one in a different repo. but the new one is still based on the old code18:44
faenilVenemo, right  (I said not yours to say no the latest version, so that you did not have to worry) :D18:44
Venemobtw, bugzilla is buggy18:56
Venemoevery few days it decides to cut the last few characters in my name18:56
Venemovery annoying18:56
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rozhkovVenemo: hi, i'm going to implement a QtQuick component for events view or at least C++ bindings for event feed backend. Ping me if you have questions19:19
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SageVenemo: can you submit fix for that to obs?20:14
VenemoSage, I haven't pushed it to git yet. currently doing something else but will get it done right after20:14
Sageok, I would just hope to see it available tomorrow so we can publish also x86 images with lipstick20:15
Sagewould be nice if someone would have time to look about sensors on exopc. In theory at least the code should be somewhere available.20:19
* Sage needs for his omap4 stuff20:22
* Sage ponders where is the upstream for that20:23
Sage is the only thing I could find quickly20:25
VenemoI haven't a clue, but IIRC the PA people did some work on Archos G9, which is OMAP420:26
faenilyeah it was the testing device for PA20:29
faenilI just sold my Archos G9 to my brother20:29
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faenilSage, ping21:08
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VenemoSage, working on your favourite bug right now21:46
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Venemowtf, N950 not booting again21:49
specialotherwise known as monday21:49
Venemothe battery is flat, no idea why - it was full when I switched the thing off21:51
VenemoI'm not pushing code that I haven't tested.21:51
specialhow did you switch it off?21:51
specialholding the button?21:52
specialdid the screen actually turn off?21:52
Venemoit didn't, but then I used the force21:53
VenemoI plugged it in to the charger21:56
Venemohopefully it'll regenerate21:56
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faenilI never understand the correct charging sequence when Nemo runs out of battery21:57
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faenilI have to switch it on and off many times before I get something on screen21:57
faenil(after it has been charging for a while, I mean)21:58
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Venemoyeah something's not right22:05
Venemofor example, right now it didn't show moslo (nor the warning), but booted up nemo.22:05
ZogG_laptopVenemo: i see you are active here around22:06
faenilVenemo, yeah, I noticed that too iirc22:06
VenemoZogG_laptop :)22:07
Venemofaenil, anyway it booted now22:07
ZogG_laptopi bet faenil bought you with sex, he is that kind of guy :P22:07
faenilZogG_laptop, no I didn't force him, he did it himself!22:08
ZogG_laptopfaenil: how is your tattoo?22:08
faenilZogG_laptop, shaping up very nice :P22:09
ZogG_laptopwhat you decided to go with?22:10
faenilnaked woman, lol22:22
faenil(DING DONG: to all people reading who were not here this afternoon, I'm NOT talking seriously) :D22:23
ZogG_laptopon low back and when u go she moves like dancing :P22:23
ZogG_laptopfaenil: it was on different chan22:23
ZogG_laptopi actually have tattoo :P22:24
ZogG_laptopit would be better if i bought playbook with this money22:25
faenilor if you ported an app to AppWorld and get it for free before March 2012 :)22:28
ZogG_laptopi can do it?22:28
ZogG_laptopit does support qml/qt natively?22:28
ZogG_laptopfaenil: any extra info on it? what are cathegory and stuff?22:29
ZogG_laptopi have my only app, but i think i can manage to port it :P22:29
faenilbefore March 2012 :P22:30
faenilpast, you know :)22:30
ZogG_laptoph damn22:30
ZogG_laptopi missed it22:30
ZogG_laptopdamn you, why didn't you tell it to me before?22:31
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faenilsry :P22:32
faenilI actually won two playbooks, one for that port22:32
faeniland another one because I won the Lightning Pitches challenge at World Tour Jam event in Italy22:32
faenil(with the same app that I ported back in March, which is my Bachelor thesis)22:33
faenilbut the second PB is going to my prof :/22:33
ZogG_laptopfaenil: =(22:34
faenilSage, ping22:34
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6053 Accepted promotion request22:35
the-boss`phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6068 Accepted promotion request22:41
faenilSage, I'm heading to bed, hope I'll be back soon enough to release latest gallery ;)22:41
faenilgood night22:41
Venemothe thing segfaults if the starting orientation is portrait22:42
faenil:/ bad luck22:42
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VenemoSage, got some time to test the stuff?23:16
ZogG_laptopi think if he doesn't answer he is not here or busy :P23:28
befordor sleeping23:29
ZogG_laptopbeford: you following me everywhere?23:30
befordI was here before it was cool23:31
ZogG_laptopbeford: hipster23:32
ZogG_laptopbeford: i was cool before it was cool to be cool23:32
ZogG_laptopbeford: if you are hotter than me, does it mean i'm cooler than you? :P23:33

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