Friday, 2012-12-07

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timophis there a way in the n900 adaptation to tell the screen not to dim/turn off?06:07
timophI need it to be always on06:07
timoph(and control screen brightness myself)06:08
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Sagetimoph: install mce-tool. It has some option to do that08:34
Sagetimoph: if it works ;)08:34
Sagehaven't tried myself on n900 so hard to say08:34
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phaeronworks on n950 at least08:50
timophSage: ack. thanks08:50
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rabitI have a question regarding setup of Qt Creator and MerSDK with Nemo mobile. What is the best way to get started as a beginner? I built the Qt version for Mer and and installed the VM image in VirtualBox. Now, when I try to connect from Qt Creator to the running VM (testing the connection), I get the response "VM is not registered". I can connect to the running SKD using ssh -p 2222 root@localhost.09:51
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rabitAnd connecting by 'ssh -p 2222 mersdk@localhost' works as well.09:52
rabitI'm following the instructions on this wiki page:
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sledgesgood loaning10:07
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rabitWhere do  I find the the "SDK Control Center".  Following this description: "In the SDK Control Center go to Targets and add a new target."10:20
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sledgesrabit, it's on http://localhost:808010:31
sledges(on your host for convenience)10:31
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sledgesrabit, how is it going with "VM is not registered" ?10:44
rabitsledges: You mean localhost:8080 on the VirtualBox? Do I have to open a port to be able to connect, since I'm using NAT?10:46
kontioyou need to configure the port forwarding... see:
sledgesrabit, you were to open ports already: ^10:47
rabitOh, right, I did that already. So it's running on port 9292.10:47
rabitsledges, the port forwarding is configured, but I don't get anything on http://localhost:808010:48
sledgesthen try on vm10:49
sledgesand kontio is right, rabit you should set 8080 forwarding, too10:49
rabitHow can I install a console browser or telnet in the sdk on vbox?10:54
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sledgesrabit, shell in, `su; zypper in telnet`10:59
rabitsledges, curl -l localhost:8080 within vbox SKD gives me (7) Couldn't connect to host.11:00
sledgescheck port11:02
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sledgesrabit: curl -l http://localhost:929211:05
sledgesit's where it runs on vm (from kontio's link above)11:06
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rabitsledges, I've tried that, the same result.11:08
sledgesthe webserver is in vm under /usr/lib/sdk-webapp-bundle/11:10
* sledges needs to re-login, will check why isn't that launched soon after11:11
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rabitSorry, wrong terminal.11:33
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furikkuI try Mer VM SDK now.11:36
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furikkuupdated SDK VM from Control Center.    cannot connect localhost:8080 after VM rebooted.11:40
sledgessame problem here11:41
sledgesrabit, furikku: temporary workaround, as root: `cd /usr/lib/sdk-webapp-bundle/; rackup`11:42
rabitsledges, thanks, that works11:43
sledgesbut qtcreator does not show anything for me under "Mer" tab; how is it for you?11:43
sledgesrabit, ^11:45
zhxtsledges: do you pull the latest version ?11:45
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sledgesI presume we all did, didn't we? :)11:45
zhxtaportale had fixed that.11:46
sledgesmost of us didnt, as they don't know about zypper ref & up (only do it via webapp which hence failed to launch)11:46
furikkusledges: thanks.  I saw Control Center.11:46
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sledgesrabit, furikku, this will fixer permanently, it is safe to add it: `ln -s /usr/lib/systemd/user/sdk-webapp.service /etc/systemd/system/`11:52
furikkusledges: I tried its command and rebooted VM.  I saw Control Center from web browser.   thanks.11:58
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sledgesyou're welcome furikku, pleasure to help12:02
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rabit1sledges, thanks a lot. sorry, i had several phone calls in the past hour. everything is working now, after I used. thanks again! :-)12:06
rabit1sledges, after I used the quick fix, I meant. :-)12:06
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sledgesnp, still looking at VM is not registered I am getting12:10
sledgesare you? rabit112:10
sledgesyou need to put MerSDK vm as first one in your list of vbox vms12:10
sledgesapparently a fix iwill check later12:10
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rabit1sledges, it's still downloading after i added a new target to the SDK12:11
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rabit1sledges, you mean MerSDK has to be the first entry in the VM Virtual Box manager window?12:14
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rabit1sledges, this entry?12:22
rabit1   <MachineEntry uuid="{3a20cdb7-7ef4-43ef-a54f-a3aa3182e70e}" src="/home/user/virtualboxvms/MerSDK/MerSDK.vbox"/>12:22
rabit1   ... (other vbox machine entries)12:22
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sledgesrabit1, correct12:43
sledgesclose all VM's, close vbox manager12:43
sledgesmove the line to the top, and relaunch12:43
sledgesor was it already on the top for you?12:44
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rabit1sledges, right, i'll do that after the downloads have finished, and report the results here. no, it was the 3rd item. Looks like this is the class for handling the vbox integration, right? ./src/plugins/mer/vboxmanage.cpp12:50
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sledgesyes, it is being fixed already, but thanks!12:51
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sledges(it fixed for me)12:51
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niqtare the nemo/harmattan compents in qt5 (nemo) ?13:38
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w00tthere is a branch that will (with some work) build against qt513:41
sledgesbut possible to have qt5 in nemo (under different prefix) and run qt5 apps this way13:41
rabit1w00t, do you - by any chance - know why Tizen chose EFL instead of QT/QML for building the ui? I read in a Samsung presentation that efl performance is supposed to be better than Qt, but what would the technical reason be?13:42
w00trabit1: given my background is as someone who works with (and on) Qt, I don't know the answer to that, but my personal (obviously biased) opinion is that Qt's performance is fine13:45
Stskeepsrabit1: i think it's political and NIH syndrome, probably13:46
Stskeepsgiven EFL author works with samsung13:46
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Sfiet_KonstantinEFL may have better perf13:52
rabit1sledges, everything is working now. I added the symbolic link to auto-start the control center, moved the XML entry for the VM in the ~/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml to the first position. Now QTCreate/Mer plugin can connect and launch the VM! Fantastic, thanks so much for your help!13:52
rabit1sledges, :-)13:52
Sfiet_Konstantinbut ... does it make it a better toolkit ?13:52
sledgeshappy to help rabit1 ! code on :)13:53
rabit1Sfiet_Konstantin, thanks, I don't think it's a better toolkit. That's why I was wondering. I haven't done any Qt development in the past, but really liked QML/Qt Quick when I saw first demos of the language and UIs built with it.13:53
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: ncurses beats EFL in performance any time13:54
w00tStskeeps: a console-based mobile touch interface.. hmm..13:54
Stskeepsthe real reason is anyway that samsung built UI for LiMo in EFL that became samsung linux platform, now called tizen 1.013:54
sledgeswhat was Bada in?13:55
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: well13:55
Sfiet_Konstantinstarts to learn QML13:55
sledgeslol "Similarly, there is no evidence that bada uses the same or similar graphics stack as the Tizen OS, in particular EFL."13:55
Sfiet_Konstantintuto on (qt doc) is pretty good13:55
Sfiet_KonstantinI started QML 2 years ago (after being a hardcore widgets advocate), and now cannot do anyting without it, it is amazing13:56
rabit1Stskepps, w00t, isn't HTML5 practically a text based UI enriched with some graphics capability? ;-)13:56
Sfiet_Konstantinlet's say HTML13:56
rabit1Sfiet_Konstantin, right, HTML13:57
Sfiet_KonstantinHTML5 is well ... something that still needs to be defined :D13:57
sledges+1 that's what really angers all html5 evangelists - it is not standartised, and we are facing fragmentation times once again13:59
sledgesgo Qt ;)13:59
Sfiet_KonstantinQt have strong advantages compared to HTML13:59
Sfiet_Konstantinjust to say ... perf14:00
Sfiet_KonstantinQt is closer to graphics engine (and even closer with Qt5)14:00
rabit1go Qt? That's what I'm doing right now.:-D14:00
sledgeseasier to learn (having browser wars in mind for HTML5 downside)14:00
sledgesyes, "go Qt" as in "go Qt go" :D14:00
rabit1and much better than the Android/Java stack, in my eyes.14:00
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sledgeswell, have to admit, google did everything to attract develoeprs of any level, embracing java as easy-to-learn language, and blobbing it into constrained resource systems (phones)14:01
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, the C++ part of Qt is a bit frightening14:02
Sfiet_Konstantinand QML, a new language that is a bit strange sometimes is not really attractive14:02
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's the problem of Qt14:02
Sfiet_Konstantinbut we can see that it is gaining traction14:02
rabit1i've been doing a lot of development using openlaszlo since 2004, an open source platform using an xml/javascript based approach (declarative) to UI development14:02
Sfiet_KonstantinXML to declare UI is something wrong14:03
Sfiet_KonstantinXAML, we are talking about you14:03
rabit1back in 2004/2005 it was a lot better than just doing javascript, or even worse - actionscript 2!14:03
sledgesnobody's perfect, though then we need good design patterns and follow clean code .cpp .qml written by gods14:03
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: the only XML "declarative" interface language I ever watched beside QML was XAML, and it cannot be compared14:03
Sfiet_KonstantinQML is faster and offer more possibilities14:04
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: yeah, but C++ you know14:04
Sfiet_Konstantinit is not something that companies likes14:04
Sfiet_Konstantinsegmentation fault stuff14:04
Sfiet_Konstantinvery unproductive14:04
sledgesi like it, unless it starts talking templates and signals - looks ugly14:04
Sfiet_Konstantinbut Qt makes productivity x100 with C++ code14:04
sledgesruntime? yes, segfaults is a pain14:04
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat kind of signals ?14:04
Sfiet_KonstantinQt signals are pretty14:04
rabit1Sfiet_Konstantin, check this demo: can be cross-compiled to Flash and JavaScript - and it's an impressive UI14:04
sledgesyes, but readability suffers imho14:05
sledges(if written ugly, too)14:05
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: it is bit bad14:05
rabit1Sun did a mobile proof-of-concept with Laszlo back in 2005/2006.14:05
Sfiet_Konstantinbut you can reproduce that in QML14:05
Sfiet_Konstantinin a matter of ... days ?14:05
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: Qt5 connect helps14:05
Sfiet_Konstantinusing the compile time identification14:06
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, I love them14:06
Sfiet_KonstantinI never felt that it was ugly in any sort14:06
rabit1using Rhino to load the generated JS into J2ME/PDP and implementing the UI base elements (view, box) in Java.14:06
Sfiet_Konstantinbut the rule is, of cause, not to abuse of them14:06
sledgeshence again, we need to concentrate on Qt QA to address cpp issues, and purify it. Qt experts are the main hope, and good books maybe14:06
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Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: what kind of C++ issues ?14:06
rabit1Feels a lot like the approach of Qt/QML, but that was  a long time ago.14:06
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: sadly, I never hread of this toolkit14:07
Sfiet_Konstantinsounds promising however14:07
Sfiet_Konstantinsome years ago, there were many toolkit that were promising actually, but now, natural selection was done, and only a few "survived"14:08
sledgesbad coding practices14:08
Sfiet_KonstantinQt helps you to clean bad practices and segfaults14:08
Sfiet_Konstantinlook at the implicitely shared Qt objects14:08
cos-few years ago i did some html5 application development at nokia for harmattan, but i'm really glad they decided to use qml instead. it was a pain to develop on.14:08
rabit1Well, Laszlo lost the RIA platform war. Adobe copied the ideas behind openlaszlo and created Flex, Microsoft XAML. The QML syntax reminds me of the old syntax for F3, which was the basis for JavaFX.14:08
Sfiet_Konstantinno more allocation on the stack14:08
Sfiet_KonstantinQML was mostly from EFL IIRC14:09
sledgesso, if coding pure Qt without too much legacy logic, all looks bright and beautiful Sfiet_Konstantin; companies, let's embrace Qt ;)14:09
Sfiet_Konstantin3 years ago there were GTK, Qt, wxWidgets, EFL and stuff14:09
Sfiet_Konstantintoday, what's left ?14:09
Sfiet_KonstantinGTK and Qt ? and I'm really doubting that GTK will be as supported as Qt14:09
sledgesif there was no gimp or gnome anymore - they are holding gtk together14:10
rabit1Sfiet_Konstantin, have you ever tried to load larger JS libraries into a Qt Quick/QML app?14:10
sledgeshence the name - the Gimp Tool Kit ;)14:10
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: WOO ? F3 really ressemble to QML14:10
niqtthis morning i write this on Qt/qml
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: I never use JS in QML, or only very small snippets14:10
Sfiet_KonstantinI bridge with C++ code14:10
cos-gtk is also pain to develop on, i don't understand why people still use it14:11
rabit1 Sfiet_Konstantin, F3 was very cool, until Sun acquired the technology - and now Oracle dropped the object notation in favor of XML!!!!14:11
Sfiet_Konstantinniqt: what kind of benchmark do you want ?14:11
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: that's sad14:11
Sfiet_Konstantinniqt: what kind of speed ?14:11
Sfiet_Konstantinif you are building a FB app (let's say)14:11
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Sfiet_Konstantinthe speed in parsing and displaying will be damped by the DL time14:12
sledgeson the other hand - how can you use KDE ? it's too heavy! (sorry to say that KDE:PA is, too)14:12
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: use KDE where ?14:12
sledgesif someone likes unity (OMG), the rest majority use gnome.. so someone has to develop gtk14:12
sledgeson a desktop14:12
sledgesKDE:PA on tablets14:12
Sfiet_KonstantinActually, I'm watching their Platform 11 project14:12
Sfiet_Konstantinor KF5 now14:13
Sfiet_Konstantinthey are simply gonna provide a lot of stuff back to Qt14:13
sledgesbut i think KDE is a bad example of Qt infrastructure14:13
Sfiet_Konstantintech like KIO would be really nice14:13
Sfiet_Konstantintheir apps and the stack they developed are rather heavy14:13
rabit1Sfiet_Konstantin, - now we have MXML (Adobe) , XAML, and FXML... - qml has the much better and cleaner syntax.14:13
Sfiet_Konstantinniqt: read that
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: XML is not bad, but not very easy to read14:14
niqtgraphics, execute native api, ecc. I know that Qt is speed (i'm Qt ambassador and fan), but i think that the numbers are good to explain the good of a tecnology (qt, mer, nemo and family)14:14
Sfiet_Konstantinthe problem is that well ... It is not easy to compare14:15
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe you can write a demo yourself14:15
Sfiet_Konstantindisplay some stuff in HTML and the same in QML Quick 214:15
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, Quick 2 will kill nearly everything I think ...14:15
Sfiet_KonstantinI think the best thing to compare between HTML and Qt is ... time used to write an app14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can write JS in core for both14:16
sledgesand gtk for a fight14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinand choosing between QML and HTML514:16
Sfiet_KonstantinGTK3 seems to be neat14:17
Sfiet_Konstantinfor the small stuff I have seen in it14:17
Sfiet_Konstantinbut is lacking features. In a world that is going mobile, it is missing mobile friendly stuff14:17
rabit1Sfiet_Konstantin, did you use any books learning Qml/Qt Quick, or just example apps and docs?14:17
Sfiet_KonstantinGObject, however, are nice14:17
Sfiet_Konstantinthis is rather complete14:18
sledgessure, it will hardly go mobile, so not a player. but if it performs well, might one day popup as an alternative (just like jolla did in the vendor arena)14:18
rabit1Sfiet_Konstantin, yes, have been using the docs so far, and I'm impressed.14:18
Sfiet_KonstantinIf you have a build (or installed) Qt5, this is really neat
Sfiet_KonstantinI just ran into it yesterday, and Qt5 docs are really pretty14:18
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: alternative for what ?14:19
Sfiet_Konstantinfor OSS GUI lib ? Sorry but Qt is the major player here14:19
Sfiet_Konstantinand what alternative do you want beside a free (0€) + OSS toolkit ?14:19
rabit1When will Mer start using Qt5? Qt5 requires opengl hardware acceleration, right?14:19
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: or LLVMpipe to provide SW OpenGL14:19
w00trabit1: you need to understand - mer itself isn't (and doesn't have) a UI14:20
Sfiet_KonstantinQt5 is integrated in Mer14:20
sledgesthat's what microsoft was for computing devices, then apple came in, then google.14:20
w00tit includes building blocks to create UIs14:20
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: MS was not OSS14:20
Sfiet_Konstantinwell Google and Apple neither14:20
w00tprojects like nemo are where that comes in14:20
sledgesi am talking about "is the major player" bit, not oss14:20
sledgesand just speculating on whatever comes in a future14:20
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, maybe one day there will be a better toolkit that creates UI and logic code from ...14:21
sledgesa crazy coder will port all mobility needs to gtk :D14:21
w00tas for "when will nemo start using qt 5" - well, it's already available, so I guess whenever people start using it14:21
Sfiet_Konstantinfrom words you say to the computer14:21
Sfiet_Konstantinbut not today14:21
sledgesproject glass ;)14:21
w00t"does qt5 require opengl" - not exactly, but qtquick2 (which is probably one of the main reasons for people in mobile to use qt5) does require opengl es14:21
sledgesa vision to see QML in it :)14:21
Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: which version of Qt actually ? Did the Mer staff updated to RC1 ?14:21
w00tSfiet_Konstantin: not yet, a new mer release is happening soon, so it doesn't really fit the schedule14:22
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: when there is glass, I bet that Qt guys will do a port of Qt in it :D14:22
Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: I see14:22
w00tsync up with Stskeeps, if you'd like to volunteer, i don't know if anyone else is planning on it14:22
Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: I really really want to volunteer, but need to find time :(14:23
cos-it's difficult to find hardware which doesn't have opengl (es) supported today14:23
Sfiet_Konstantincos-: maybe some embedded systems14:23
sledgesBostik @ #mer is packaging qt5(beta)14:23
cos-Sfiet_Konstantin: anything with video output usually has it, even cheapest mobile hw14:24
w00tSfiet_Konstantin: there's no time like the present14:24
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm running into the MerSDK not registered14:24
Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: Sadly I first need to think about my future, and I postponed brainstorming on it already several times for the present ...14:25
cos-especially i don't understand why some people whine that unity and other desktop gui's require opengl acceleration. even the most low-end intel gpu's have it.14:25
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: How did you solved "VM not registered !" ?14:25
Sfiet_Konstantincos-: it is rather badly supported on let's say optimus14:26
Sfiet_Konstantinor quite a lot of GPU actually14:26
Sfiet_Konstantineven KDE compositing (that seems to be quite good) is very bad on my nvidia card, and is only OK on the intel one14:26
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin, your ~/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml has to have MerSDK moved to the top of MachinesRegistry nodes14:27
Sfiet_Konstantinyeah, I have the OpenWebOs on top now14:27
rabit1w00t, thanks for the clarification. I started looking into Mer/Nemo two weeks ago, and read a lot of blog posts and wiki pages to understand the different layers (kernel, os, UI, browser/html integration). i've created some questions on Stackoverflow and added the information I had to the answers, e.g. or
rabit1woot, is there an official diagram describing the software stack, or a wiki page with up-to-date information? if not, i'd volunteer one, update the page with information and maintain it.14:29
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Sfiet_Konstantinseriously, server, why are you rejecting my key now, you should'nt :D14:29
w00trabit1: i'm not aware of one, if you'd like to start one, I'd be happy to help out with questions/whatever14:30
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin, that fix is done by zhxt , waiting to be put upstream14:30
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks sledges :)14:30
Sfiet_KonstantinMer SDK looks promising14:31
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter than BB10 one (strangely)14:31
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rabit1thanks for all the answers I got today! Especially sledges for getting the MerSDK up and running!14:33
rabit1w00t, i'll start by creating a wiki page and an architecture diagram on the weekend, i'll be around here in the irc channel and ask any questions here or in the general mailing mer mailing list.14:34
sledgesI thank for henrik_ yunta zhxt from #mer for assisting tackling all those! BTW, if more problems with Mer SDK - ask in #mer fellows ;)14:35
rabit1sledges, will do, thanks again! :-)14:36
Sfiet_Konstantinrabit1: for the wiki and stuff, that's cool :)14:36
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sledgesok, wiki updated on VM issues14:42
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khertanSfiet_Konstantin, bb10 didn't have sdk, it s f***ing eclipse with that javaish things !15:05
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sledgessmells like yocto's bastard children15:07
Aardkhertan: seriously? they force eclipse for qt/qml development?15:10
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w00tAard: yes15:16
* Aard is already pissed if someone tries to force me use qtcreator, but eclipse...15:17
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khertanAard, yes ... not installable on my desktop15:35
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7511 waiting for review at
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cos-dang, upgrading nemo on exopc causes blinking "Starting Meego"17:29
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sledgeskernel broken :{ i486 ?17:36
sledgesor i58617:36
sledgesyou can interrupt blinking by keep pressing Tab, and then adjust kernel version to load (see under your /boot partition what version is now there) <- cos-17:37
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sledgesand hope for the best (not always helped in my experience :))17:37
cos-sledges: i586. i'll try with different kernel..17:44
sledgesin my case the new kernel was there, but boot loader (extlinux/syslinux) was not updated, and still pointed to a non existing old kernel17:45
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cos-can i access /boot somehow easily without booting a live distro?17:47
cos-or does someone know what is the latest i586 kernel version?17:48
sledgescos-, ?17:49
sledgesI don't know where exopc adaptation is coming from17:49
sledges2012-Nov-15 05:16:20 so you cos- might have fallen into this time pit :)17:51
sledgescos-, you kernel then would be called vmlinuz-3.0.0-4.5-adaptation-pc17:52
cos-nope, same issue with 4.517:52
sledgeswonder if its there at all, live distro pending ;)17:53
sledgesfor last resort17:53
cos-4.4 is the default in the list17:54
cos-i'll try with live distro..17:54
cos-there is vmlinuz 4.5 in /boot17:56
sledgesreverting to 4.4 is a good fallback scenario, you can get it from17:56
sledges(Mer Next)17:57
sledgeswonder why Mer Core Next has an older kernel than Mer Core ;)17:57
sledgesextracting it to /boot and /lib for modules should suffice (always check what you are overwriting)17:58
cos-i think i'll settle for reinstalling and not upgrading17:58
sledgeswell, it's just one bit more to try ;)17:59
sledgesfor sakes of all other exopc users (and i586 vm users, and asus eee pc users if any :))17:59
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cos-it won't help them if i manage to hack my exopc alive18:00
sledgesthey'll know how to resuscitate theirs if they want to preserve updates18:01
sledgeswell, the decision is always yours :)18:01
sledges/me is off for a weekend, hope to check back in during it18:02
cos-thanks and have a nice weekend18:03
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cos-nice, my app seems to work fine on nemo19:37
specialwhat app?19:37
cos-siilihai mobile19:37
cos-a web forum reader19:37
cos-packages can be found at
cos-i added package repo urls to
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7503 Rejected promotion request20:57
SageMSameer: "small fixes" isn't very good .changelog entry you should really add what the changes were about. Accepted the request now though.21:03
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RzRhi faenil21:06
faenilhi RzR :)21:06
RzRhad fun w/ sdk  ?21:06
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7513 waiting for review at
faenilRzR, which sdk? :D21:06
RzRthe one we have to finish :)21:06
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7504 Rejected promotion request21:07
faenileh :) we have to wait, more than finish :D21:07
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7509 Accepted promotion request21:07
MSameerSage: you are correct but i was tired21:08
MSameerSage: i will take care next time21:08
specialSage: have a moment? I'm really confused about a packaging problem.21:08
* RzR waves at Sage _o/21:08
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SageMSameer: thanks.21:08
Sagespecial: sure21:08
Sageor well, not actually but I can try to make time ;)21:09
RzRfaenil, anyway have u checked that cameraplus app we just built on harmy ?21:09
speciallibsignon-glib is in the same branch, built fine21:09
faenilnope :O what is it?21:09
Sagespecial: checking21:09
specialit has libsignon-glib.pc, the BuildRequires uses that21:09
specialbut qmake can't find it.21:09
specialI cannot figure out why.21:09
Sagespecial: missing .pc file maybe?21:09
RzRSage, just curious is it possible to see how many review are pending ? is in it ?21:10
specialSage: rpm -ql libsignon-glib-devel shows it21:10
SageRzR: not many clearing the queue atm. mostly21:10
Sagespecial: pastebin the .pc file21:10
speciala local OBS build works, too.21:10
* Sage is with quite bad 3G atm. :/21:11
specialer, not local OBS21:11
RzRfaenil, a better camera app , but it depends on aegis ...21:11
faenilRzR, oh, so openmode required? :)21:11
MSameerRzR: cameraplus ?21:12
RzRfaenil, the weird thing is that on mine openmode it only starts with sudo ... i'll have to understand this aegis thing21:12
MSameerRzR: where is the build for that ?21:12
faenilRzR, I haven't used harmy I have not even ever used openmode yet (I know, I'm ridicolous :D)21:12
faenilRzR, just spending time on nemo, when I have some21:13
RzRfaenil, no your not21:13
MSameerRzR: that is my code BTW :)21:13
RzRfaenil, no your not ridiculous ... openmode is for the lazy one21:13
faenilRzR, :)21:13
RzRMSameer, yes been told someone of jalla is guilty of it21:13
MSameerRzR: i was building an alternate n9 camera app (completely open) but my new baby interrupted my progress :|21:14
RzRMSameer, well then i am happy to met you in person21:14
RzRMSameer, because i have some merge request :)21:14
MSameerRzR: that wasn't for Jolla. I started that before joining :)21:14
MSameerRzR: please submit them and i will apply21:14
Sagespecial: strange21:15
RzRbtw if you dont maintain it , maybe you can xfer to this project :
MSameerRzR: currently QML bindings are not really functional and I was planning to redo them21:15
MSameerRzR: i am maintaining it and would love to complete it21:15
MSameeri just got busy21:15
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7510 Accepted promotion request21:15
MSameerRzR: and i'd be happy to meet you as well (if you are in helsinki :))21:15
faenilcool things :)21:15
RzRMSameer, didnt you see my merge requests ?21:16
MSameerRzR: it won't work on nemo unfortunately :(21:16
MSameerRzR: nop21:16
MSameeroh wait21:16
MSameerlet me log in21:16
MSameerRzR: oh crap! my mistake21:16
Sagespecial: I've had similar problem at one point as well but can't recall what was the problem21:16
MSameerRzR: found them21:16
RzRMSameer, i plan to rebuild snapshots of it from time to time21:17
MSameerRzR: cool. thanks :)21:18
MSameerRzR: i will check the merge requests and act this weekend21:18
RzRno problem21:18
MSameerRzR: but it's still buggy so be warned ;)21:18
RzRthese are raw commits21:19
arceanMSameer, but your app takes awesome photos :)21:19
MSameerarcean: thanks. it's the work that has been put into harmattan (:21:20
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RzRMSameer, you should meet that n9 photographer online21:20
MSameeri tried to get it to work on nemo for n9 but failed miserably :(21:20
MSameerRzR: who is that ?21:20
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7513 Accepted promotion request21:20
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MSameernice pics21:21
Sagespecial: everything seems to be in order afaik21:21
Sagespecial: tried with -j4?21:22
Sageerr... without21:22
specialinternet going down21:23
special-j4 shouldn't matter, it's all qmake21:24
Sagespecial: add "pkg-config libsignon-glib" and check the output21:25
Sageto .spec that is before the make21:26
Sageeh... pkg-config --debug libsignon-glib21:26
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specialSage: output is correct21:29
specialI wonder if it's qmake..21:30
MSameerRzR: should I ignore the first 3 merge requests and check the 4th only ?21:30
Sagetry removing that dependency and if it fails to the next one, and change order?21:30
Sagespecial: something strange there or maybe some 0x123 char there?21:31
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specialSage: nope, and same result if I put some other package first21:41
MSameerRzR: what's the problem with using statvfs() to get free space in harmattan ?21:44
Sagetime to sleep. good night all21:44
MSameerRzR: and can't we ship both config files and detect the phone model during installation and symlink ?21:45
MSameerI really don't want hw specific workarounds if they can be avoided21:45
specialSage: figured it out; the .pc requires signond, which isn't installed, and that only shows up if you happen to run --exists --print-errors21:49
RzRMSameer, we should talk about it w/ arcean21:55
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7511 Accepted promotion request21:57
RzRMSameer, yes lets script detection using lshal  and symlink21:57
MSameerRzR: sure but why arcean ?21:58
RzRarcean suggested that packaging and made some testing21:59
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MSameerRzR: if we can drag him into this discussion22:00
MSameerRzR: I know that native camera uses statvfs() so i know it should work22:00
RzRstrace ?22:01
MSameeri worked on n9 camera22:02
faenilMSameer, what's the problem in Nemo?22:05
faenilI think we alreayd talked about it, but I don't remember atm :D22:05
MSameerfaenil: cameraplus needs camerabin2 and subdevsrc222:05
MSameerfaenil: and  building those need the headers of libomap3camd22:06
MSameerfaenil: and those headers are not available22:06
faenilMSameer, which we don't have ...22:06
faeniloh cool22:06
RzRthen u should know that I made one pict w/ n950 and it won a small photography competition22:06
faeniljust like usual22:06
faenilRzR, oh cool! :)22:06
MSameerfaenil: the problem is the camera stuff we have is using subdevsrc1 which was built by Nokia fr us22:07
MSameerfaenil: and no more updates :|22:07
faenilI see :(22:07
faenilwhat about fcam?22:07
MSameerfaenil: fcam is different. it doesn't use gstreamer at all22:07
faenilRzR, nice indeed :)22:07
faenilMSameer, I mean, can't you rebase it on that?22:07
MSameerfaenil: I tried copying all the camerabin2/subdevsrc2 bits from harmattan but I failed to get it to work22:08
faenilor is it endless effort?22:08
MSameerfaenil: but it might be me making some mistakes22:08
faenilMSameer, yeah maybe best idea is to investigate that22:08
MSameerfaenil: fcam is a completely different project22:08
MSameerfcam is there to provide precise control over camera22:09
MSameerwhich is good IMHO22:09
MSameerfaenil: if we can get some open camera algorithms library then we can replace omap3camd but I am really not an expert here22:09
MSameerfaenil: and of course omap3camd contributed by nokia is a crippled down version22:10
MSameerso no way nemo taken pictures will match the n9 ones :(22:10
faenilRzR, wow22:10
faenilMSameer, mmm :(22:11
MSameerfaenil: in theory it should be possible to copy binaries since both harmattan and mer are using the same kernel22:11
MSameerin practice it needs more investigation22:12
faenilMSameer, but it's an update in progress22:12
faenilhopefully soon 3.5.3 will be the kernel22:12
MSameerfaenil: what's un update in progress ?22:12
MSameeri thought we are now using a kernel based on PR 1.322:13
faenilyes we are22:14
faenil3.5.3 isn't ready22:14
faenilit's WIP22:14
faenilwe're using PR1.3 kernel atm22:14
MSameerso copying binaries should work22:15
faenilm :/22:15
MSameerbut it didn't22:16
MSameeri am sure i will try again but not now22:16
MSameeri can't trash my nemo every few days22:16
faenilStskeeps, faenil summons thou22:16
MSameerhowever, i might be able to do some workarounds22:16
MSameernot sure yet22:16
faenilgood :)(22:16
MSameerjust waiting to complete cameraplus then i can try to get it to work on nemo22:16
faenilalright :)22:18
MSameerqml bindings are the main broken part now. too bad QCamera cannot be used for what i want to do22:19
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