Tuesday, 2013-01-08

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w00tromaxa: pong00:49
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* lpotter screams at ofono-qt01:26
specialsomebody should chart lpotter's experience with ofono-qt01:27
special'grumbles' to 'screams' over 2 hours01:27
specialhow bad can it get by the end of the day?01:27
lpotterI'll have to meditate01:28
lpotterthere... all better. see the pretty pink flying elephants?01:28
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w00tlpotter: it's probably better than icd2, at least from what i saw of it :)01:35
w00tlpotter: any opinion on https://github.com/nemomobile/libconnman-qt/pull/13 ?01:37
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w00tmerged :)01:43
lpottermight as well have lunch..01:47
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lpotterI'd hate to be in Sydney today01:59
w00tlpotter: what's the temperature therE?02:02
w00t40.7 here now :)02:02
lpotterin brissie?02:02
lpotter32 where I am02:02
lpotterstill, I need the a.c. on to get into that 'code groove'02:03
lpotterprobably comes from working so many years in that cold trolltech/nokia office02:03
specialI have a first world problem02:03
lpotterit's effected my brain02:03
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specialI can't bitch about how cold it gets, because the europeans are colder02:04
specialand I can't bitch about how hot it gets, because of australia02:04
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lpotterwell.. its only hot in the summer.. and spring. and autumn02:06
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7608 Rejected promotion request07:58
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7609 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/760908:16
jukkaeklundkulve, hi did you succeed with Nexus 7 image?08:17
kulvejukkaeklund: I haven't build it yet for nemo..08:18
kulveHA is there though and plasma active is working quite nicely though08:18
jukkaeklundok, I should try the Plasma build..08:21
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kulvethere's something about that08:22
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kulvethe long list of issues is a bit misleading as most of the major features are working08:23
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kulvethe flashing part is a bit tricky with n7 as can't just flash it with some command but you need to boot moslo-variant, mount the partition to your linux and copy the rootfs over08:24
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jukkaeklundkulve, I think actually moslo way is rather easy :)08:47
kulvejukkaeklund: in the end, it is. And it provides nice flexibility as you can also edit the rootfs later even if it wouldn't boot up with network08:49
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kulvejukkaeklund: http://ruedigergad.com/2013/01/08/new-rootfs-tarball-of-plasma-active-for-nexus-7/09:28
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Aardsampos: did you get 100% pass rate for the updated mtp-tests? for me now one testcase still fails (meegomtp1dot0::FSStoragePlugin_test::testPlaylistsPersistence)09:40
samposAard: I did. Will check again. What is the Loc of fail ?09:41
jukkaeklundkulve, thanks09:41
AardFAIL!  : meegomtp1dot0::FSStoragePlugin_test::testPlaylistsPersistence() Compared values are not the same Actual (resultSetAll.size()): 3 Expected (4): 4 Loc: [fsstorageplugin_test.cpp(1625)]09:42
Aard_might_ be an issue of tracker in sdk, though09:42
samposmight be, did not test on sdk09:43
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Aardsampos: are you bored? ;)09:57
samposwell, not but testing on sdk anyway :)09:58
Aarddamn. I'm looking for someone bored enough to track down the mtp disconnects ;)09:58
samposoh ?09:59
samposthat would interest me09:59
samposno bug for that yet ?09:59
samposi tried adding device icon property and got weird write failures10:00
Aardprobably not. need to go afk now, but short: if you start seriously using mtp to move stuff around it'll now and then exit (not crash, unfortunately, gdb would be easier ;))10:00
samposok, good to know, thanks10:01
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rabitI'm trying to install Mer/Nemo on my N900, following the instructions in the wiki. In the process I've run into some problems/questions. Maybe someone can help...12:19
samposmaybe :) What is the problem ?12:21
rabitN900 installation: a) how do install uboot with the Nokia Linux kernel (not power user). I cannot find uboot-* package, tried an apt-cache search with no results.12:21
rabitN900 installation: Is MultiBoot compatible?12:22
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samposrabit: did you enable the extras-devel repo ?12:23
rabitN900 installation: OS version I have is  Maemo5 Version 21.2011.38-1. Then I'm on Ubuntu 12.10, and whenever I run flasher, I cannot connect to the device.12:23
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rabitsampos: It was enabled by default (if it's http://repository.maemo.org/extras/).12:24
rabitsampos: Oh, I see, I have to add /extras-dev/, my fault. :-)12:25
rabitsampos: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/, I meant.12:25
rabitN900 installation: Has anyone successfully used Ubuntu 12.10 64 bit with the flasher tool?12:28
timophnot tried but iirc it's a static binary so should work12:29
rabittimoph: thanks, that's good to know. what can i do when the N900 is not detected by the Flasher tool? I've tried with virtualized Windows XP as well, and the flasher never detected the device. synchronizing data with the device using the nokia utilities on Windows works without any problems.12:31
timophhold down U on the n900 when powering it up12:32
timophanyway, I can try it on 12.10 when I get home in a couple of hours12:32
rabittimoph: thanks, i'll try again within the next hour, and report my results here.12:34
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rabitsampos: i now see U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 2012.10-rc3-1, is that the correct version?12:34
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samposrabit: dunno. mines older iirc, don't see why it wouldn't. Maybe get the flasher working first ?12:54
rabitN900 installation: cool, i  have mer/nemo running on the n900! :-) sweet!12:54
sledgesrabit, \o/12:55
rabitsampos: thanks, looks like MultiBoot is not compatible, it couldn't load from the sd card. With u-boot everything worked instantly.12:55
tadzikrabit: oh, does rotation work for you? (portrait/landscape?)12:55
rabitN900 installation: i have an n9 as well, bought a new one 3 weeks ago. i was afraid of bricking the device, since i've really fallen in love with it - and got an old n900 for development testing on ebay. i'm very happy that it's running on the n900.12:56
rabittadzik: rotation works, although i saw that - in the apps view - sometimes the header is not resized correctly when switching from landscape to portrait mode.12:57
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sampossame for me. Or actually i loose the header in landscape. Just see the bg about 40% of screen space.12:59
rabittadzik: it seems that the touch display is not as responsive as it should. sometimes the stylus works. this the first time i'm booting mer on a device, very exciting!12:59
juicemerabit, re bricking n9, it's not so easy to break13:00
rabitsampos: when i tab the power button and the standby mode is on, and then re-enter the app view, everything is looking fine again.13:00
juicemeUp no now have'nt found anything I can do to it that a reflash would not cure13:01
samposrabit: same here13:01
rabitjuiceme: oh, that's REALLY good know. bricking that device would probably make me cry. ;-)13:01
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tadzikrabit: I'm using nemo from time to time during the last 6 months or so, and when I installed the latest release few days ago I noticed that the rotation's not working anymore13:02
rabitdev workflow for  UI: what does the dev worflow for nemo UI look like? eg, when i want to change one of the apps shipping with the image?13:02
tadzikI should maybe start a bugreporting frenzy again13:02
tadzikrabit: probably look around github.com/nemomobile13:02
rabittadzik: will do, thanks.13:02
juicemeI would indeed cry, since it's so difficult to get a replacement in case it WAS bricked13:02
samposas for ui responsiveness i've learned that multiple light taps work best, jamming hard on the icons not so well.13:03
rabitsampos: thanks, will try that.13:03
tadzikthen you submit stuff to https://build.pub.meego.com/ somewhere13:03
tadzikor so I think :)13:03
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rabittadzik: :-)13:03
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tadziknever did that yet, I failed to setup a dev environment13:04
juicemeBut then again, I am quite confident it will last fairly well, barring physical wear&tear.And as lonfg as I take frequent backups I need not worry loosing anything experimenting with it13:04
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rabittadzik: i'll try that on the weekend, have to get back to my work now. plan for today was to get nemo running on the n900, and i'm happy now.13:08
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rabitn900 installation: thanks to all of you for helping me getting nemo up and running on the n900. ;-)13:08
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tadzikrabit: irc-during-work high five! o/ :)13:09
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rabittadzik: oh, well, i'm freelancing, so i don't have an unhappy boss watching me. :-)13:10
rabittadzik: once i have the dev setup for ui work up and running, i'll report my results here and put the information somewhere into the wiki, in case it's not all there already.13:12
tadzikrabit: that'd be cool. I once followed somebody's blogpost line by line and it still didn't work for me :/13:13
tadzikmayhaps someone has a virtualbox image suitable for development, or something13:13
rabittadzik: o/\o ^5 >_>^ ^<_<, thanks for your help13:19
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tadzikde nada13:21
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jukkaeklundkulve, btw hint you can ask about Nemo for Nexus 7 from yunta here :)13:29
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kulveyunta: ?13:40
yuntakulve: aren't you actually one of PA developers?13:42
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yuntaidentity crisis? :)13:42
kulveI've worked with the tegra3 HA (misread the PA first :)13:42
kulvercg has been working with the PA and I've helped where could13:43
yuntaso you worked with tegra3 ha that pa uses?13:43
yuntanice, thanks :)13:43
yuntadid you try building nemo on top of that ha?13:43
kulveand I did build the nemo earlier on top of that HA and it worked quite well13:43
yuntaah, ok13:44
kulveso I don't really expect there to be many problems building it13:44
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yuntacan you share your ks?13:44
kulveI need to change it to use b.m.o instead of cobs and change the package names. Not a big thing though. I'll do that later today and ping you then13:46
yuntaah, ok, no hurry13:46
yuntait's for jukkaeklund anyways ;)13:46
kulvebut are you happy with the .ks? You don't need a tar ball?13:47
jukkaeklundnah its for the world :)13:47
jukkaeklundthx in advance13:47
yuntaif it's for public then tarball would be better13:48
kulvewell, I'll start with the .ks :)13:48
jukkaeklundyeah ready made snapshot to be put to images.formeego.org for example along with .ks13:48
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kulveSage: where are the kickstart files for the nemo? I though I had the right ones but they are still pointing to cobs instead of b.m.o?14:15
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sledgeskulve, a week ago Sage produced Nemo img on mer-next for testing - even that one was still pointing to COBS14:38
sledgesso the transition is not yet finalised methinks14:40
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kulveI'm creating an image based on the kickstarts I have then14:41
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7609 Accepted promotion request14:52
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sledgesquiet times in here (=busy)15:12
sledgesCES, w00t is in Australia, is there CES, too? :)15:12
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cypasledges, I am here ;) hello15:31
sledgeshi cypa :)15:32
cypafirst thing - could I use skype on nemo?15:32
sledgesnever tested, let me see15:33
cypaI see it is intended for handsets15:33
sledgesbut a great development toy, running on any hardware Mer can be adapted to ;)15:33
sledgesI am now running Nemo on Asus EeePc 1005HA. Image: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-08.1/images/nemo-handset-i586/15:34
sledgesit is a rolling release, so do not be confused by the date of Novemeber 201115:34
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sledgeshi niqt15:37
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cypaok, it is rolling15:39
niqttoday i'm not entering in ubuntu-phone yet :D15:39
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cypaI see no telepathy-haze, I should build it myself ...15:40
cypato get ICQ chat support15:40
sledges:)) i stopped going there since no-one really talked any useful stuff anymore (better to track their wiki)15:40
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M4rtinKnot much to do until they either release buildable source or images15:41
M4rtinKon the other hand I saw a couple people on the channel learning QML :)15:41
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M4rtinKmore QML devs & apps can be handy :)15:42
nitqt_sledges, yes remember tizen channel15:42
sledgesyup, remember helping one out, their HelloWorld QML equivalent is quite neat15:43
sledges(and qt5!)15:43
M4rtinKAKA the idle channel :)15:43
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sledgeshey cypa , just launched skype on Nemo :) no sound, but can chat. I think sound could be set up as well16:50
cypaskype- ?16:50
sledgesI used a static link for older one (less lib dependencies)16:51
cypatriing to launch it on meego 1.2.016:51
sledgeson meego it works fine16:51
sledgeson Nemo you'll need to add a repo for skype to work:16:51
sledges`zypper ar http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sledge:/branches:/home:/rzr:/debian/Mer_Core_i586/ x11-mw`16:51
sledgesand perform `zypper in libxss`16:52
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sledgesthen unpack and launch skype (I used http://download.skype.com/linux/skype_static- feel free to test newer ones)16:53
sledgeswow the webcam of Asus EeePc got picked up in skype right away (using /dev/video0 ) well done team ;)16:56
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cypaI see rather old kernel in nemo image17:08
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sledgescypa, after `zypper ref && zypper dup` (REFresh and Distribution UPgrade) the kernel should reach the later available17:11
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sledgeshave you installed in on a hardrive yet?17:12
cypaouh, ok17:12
cypano, I've got much workload now17:12
cypathink shall do it later, a week or so17:13
cypa... sad ...17:13
sledgesonly observing now ;) you can always run live image17:13
sledgesand if it's on SD card, you could even risk updating itself :)17:13
cypano problem17:13
cypaI've free partition for testing17:14
cypaon HDD17:14
sledgesjust suggesting, as live image doesn't cost that much time if you're busy but impatient now ;), and HDD stays intact17:14
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cypasure it is, frankly, I have no fast internet connection right now to download image17:27
cypahonestly, it is the reason17:28
sledgesI see, one of those things. So it will take a week to download it? :)17:29
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cypanope, 10-20 hours17:31
cypamaybe put it tonight to download17:31
sledgessounds like a plan17:31
cypai have 64kbit via UMTS17:31
cypayes, a plan17:32
cypacellular plan17:32
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cypawell, I can take more, but lost job a month ago ... ;(17:39
cypathen on strict economy now17:39
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sledgessorry to hear that ..17:40
sledgesnow it's time to train Qt/QML ;) new market is coming17:41
cypathings not so bad17:42
cypathere is a lot of offer here, in Yekaterinburg (geographical center of Russia)17:43
cypaand I have some freelance this since 10 jan17:43
sledges /me always tries to aim for most pleasureable positions :)17:44
cypaand I am an admin, no a coder17:44
cypacoding/building just for fun17:44
sledgesсовместить полезное с приятным ;)17:45
sledgesyes, one day hobby turns to be a proffesion, great times!17:45
cypaare you russian speaking?17:45
sledgessomewhat, forget it if don't train often17:46
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sledgesso what are the goals on your Asus netbook?17:47
cypawin7 always swapping on HDD17:48
cypa1Gb RAM17:48
cypameego much better17:48
sledgesI use meego there as well, that's how my friendship with meego started in fact from Asus eeePC17:49
cypaand linux is my prefered17:49
sledgesand ubuntu netbook remix never worked efficient enough17:49
sledgesthere is a very nice Russian repo: http://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/meego-community/meego1.217:50
sledgesdoes wonders! :)17:50
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iekkusacrified items18:29
lpottermust be magic to get a double out of an int18:31
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timophis the last nemo release really from november or has the place to download images changed?19:01
Stskeepsnah, we just had some issues19:04
timophany eta for a new release19:06
Stskeepssage's got a new area for uploading images, at least19:07
timophgit the url in hand?19:08
Stskeepshe hasnt uploaded anything to it yet i think19:08
timophso much for being lazy19:08
* timoph builds the image19:08
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M4rtinKwell, isn't zypper upgrade equivalent to installing a new image ? :)20:15
samposyeah, it takes time though.20:18
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kulveyunta: no .ks today. Got the X.Org running but I guess I missed most of the UI stuff or something. I'll recreate it tomorrow20:34
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rcghey Venemo_N9 :)20:41
rcghow is it going?20:41
Venemo_N9I'm planning to move soon to a different flat20:42
rcgbigger/better one?20:42
Venemo_N9also I finally figured out how to use Qt5's scene graph from C++20:42
Venemo_N9rcg, not necessaruly bigger one, just somewhere closer to my workplace20:43
rcgnice :)20:43
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rcgboth actually ;)20:43
Venemo_N9rcg, I also don't like sharing the room with someone20:43
Venemo_N9and to be honest, now I can afford not to20:45
rcgsounds good20:47
rcga flat is always a good thing to spend money on :)20:48
Venemo_N9nah, I'm just renting20:48
Venemo_N9can't afford to actually own one yet :)20:48
rcgimho i doesn't matter renting or not, it's just a thing that's definitely worth to spend money on20:50
rcga nice flat can really improve your living quality20:50
Venemo_N9it kinda feels like as if they were pulling my teeth.20:50
rcgalso moved to a new flat in december last year20:50
rcgalso only rented20:50
rcgbut i love it already :)20:50
Venemo_N9I mean, I don't like the prices nowadays20:50
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rcgyeah, prices are a big problem here too :/20:51
tadzikI rented a flat once, but from the other side of the deal :)20:51
tadzikand I didn't like it either :P20:51
tadzikbut this is Poland, and the montly fee is probably a price of your hamburger or something20:51
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Venemo_N9I doubt it.20:52
tadzikhehe, I'm kidding of course20:52
tadzikbut I know the prices of beer in Oslo, it's easily 10x-20x of the prices here20:52
Venemo_N9tadzik, I live in Hungary... I wouldn't think it's that much different20:52
tadzikoh, I just assumed everyone here but me is scandinavian :P20:53
tadzikyeah, it might be somewhat similar20:53
Venemo_N9tadzik, no. in fact, fk_lx is from Poland also :)20:53
tadzikStskeeps is in Poland as well, eh?20:53
Venemo_N9yes, although he is not Polish20:54
Stskeepsi think tadzik has met fk_lx20:54
tadzikyeah, I know20:54
tadzikStskeeps: did I?20:54
tadzikoh, the old "synchronize IRC handles with faces" challenge...20:54
tadzikone more reason to make a hackathon :)20:55
dm8tbrand I'm polish but live in finland :>20:56
Venemo_N9yeah, dm8tbr also speaks accentless English20:57
dm8tbrthanks for the compliment :)20:57
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Venemo_N9I remember you made me try to guess where you are from by your accent20:58
tadzikdo they also pronounce your name "oh my goodness"? :P20:58
dm8tbrVenemo_N9: people who are not native english speakers are easy targets for that. ;)20:58
tadzikand to bump SNR, where is this prerelease nemo image?20:59
Venemo_N9dm8tbr, sometimes.  but I failed :P20:59
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7613 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/761321:05
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7613 Accepted promotion request21:17
yuntakulve: no problem, apparently jukka doesn't need it for himself anyway21:28
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sledgesdm8tbr, your name and surname are no around those countries you just named either ;)21:46
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Venemo_N9anyway, good night guys :)22:11
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tzaeruwhen I speak English, I typically end up repeating same thing some ten times.22:16
tzaerueventually I just give up and write it on paper.22:16
tzaeru"can I have a beer, thanks"22:17
tzaeruanother good alternative is wildly pointing at things!22:17
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