Thursday, 2013-03-07

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zchydemmorning06:00
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juicemelate morning :)08:05
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slaineand once more with feeling, morning folks08:36
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deztructorSage: sr #8382 contextkit upower: choosing battery looking like battery :)08:54
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8380 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/838008:59
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8382 Rejected promotion request09:11
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Sagedeztructor: thanks :)09:14
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dcthangSage: now you are working for Sailfish?:)09:21
iekkudcthang, ?09:28
dcthangJolla I mean09:29
dcthangSailfish OS09:29
iekkudcthang, sage has been jolla employer long time09:29
dcthangok iekku. still working with Mer is nice09:31
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vishaphey so I have upgraded my nemo on n900, and I wonder09:39
vishapwhich maps are using the maps application?09:39
vishapand is there a way to be in tablet mode?09:40
iekkudcthang, all in jolla works for mer and nemo :) and most of us have personal relationship with mer and/or nemo09:40
vishapi. e. with wifi but with gsm chip turned off/sleep09:40
dcthangiekku: okay, thanks FYI :)09:41
lpotterya, I get to sleep with mer on wednesdays09:42
iekkulpotter, and monday is for me :P09:44
lpotter:) wonderful09:44
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vishapso anyone knows which maps are used in maps application in nemo?09:51
vishapit's not OSM09:51
vishapI guess09:51
vishapand it's not google09:51
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vishapand it's not nokia09:52
vishapalso, is there a way to be in "tablet mode" in nemo?09:52
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8383 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/838310:03
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sledgesvishap, maps application is using Nokia maps, it written in lower-left corner10:14
sledgesvishap, you can reshape Nemo's UI in any way that might suit your needs. Tablet layout is not out there, probably we'd have to rename the whole Nemo (to Tabo e.g. :))10:15
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rcgis it possible that the touch input is specifically calibrated for the n950?10:48
rcgi just notice that the n950 has a much better touch interaction than the n910:49
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deztructorSage: sr was autorejected because of "Multiple destination projects in request". wtf? :)10:51
sledgesrcg, could you expand?)10:53
sledges:)10:54
rcge.g., when i scoll in the app icon view on the n9 it very often happens that accidentally apps are started instead of moving the list10:55
kulvercg: I think there's a configuration variable for tuning the click vs. drag10:55
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rcgalso when using swipe gestures from the outer screen, the n9 feels much less accurate10:55
rcgi need several tries, e.g., to minimize an app on the n9 whereas on the n950 it works straight away10:56
rcgkulve, i see, might need to play with that one :)10:56
kulvercg: to bad I don't rememeber any details. Stskeeps mentioned something like that ages ago10:57
kulve+o10:57
Stskeepsthere's a drag distance thing10:57
Stskeepsenvironment variable10:57
rcgso i can find it in /etc/profile.d/*10:58
rcg?10:58
Stskeepsprobably10:58
rcgroger that10:58
Stskeepsor in the systemd user session /etc/sysconfig/ stuff10:58
rcgah, i see10:59
rcggenerally, it "feels" like i only need to touch the n950 very very softly to properly work with it while the n9 needs much more precision and (i know it sounds stupid) force11:00
Sagedeztructor: you can do creq with only to one destination project11:00
rcgdon't know how to describe it better it's just that the n950 touch ui feels much better11:00
Stskeepsthe value is probably wrong11:03
rcgand i don't see any apparent reason why it should behave differently11:03
rcgwell, i will give it a try11:04
rcgcould it be that the touch input devices have different resolutions or something?11:04
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8382 Rejected promotion request11:06
deztructorSage: now i am starting to recall. it is interesting, why :) it is nonsense11:07
kulvercg: those devices have completely different display, I wouldn't be surprised if the touch would be completely different as well (haven't checked that though)11:08
Stskeepsyeah11:08
rcgindeed11:08
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rcgdo you happen to recall the rough name?11:16
rcgof the env var11:16
StskeepsQT_DISTANCE_DRAG  .. it's one of the mer qt patches11:17
sledgesyea, displays do differ (check the corner roundedness. even though they look 1:1 despite the front cam positoin at first glance): http://symbianworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Nokia-N950-and-N9-front-comparison-on-screen.jpg11:19
kulvesledges: it's also different technology completely11:20
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rcgStskeeps, thx11:21
kulvesledges: and the camera is in the cover glass, not in the display itself. It's difficult to see the actual display of the n950 in that photo11:22
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kulvewell, not in the glass, but below it..11:23
rcgalright, the touch input in both devices looks infact identical?11:23
rcgat least according to xorg log11:24
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rcghttp://pastebin.com/nVfs1H5n11:26
Stskeepspossibly but sensitivty may differ11:27
rcghttp://pastebin.com/4aQcriiH11:27
rcgi see11:27
rcgjust put that here for sake of completeness11:27
Stskeepsalso11:28
Stskeepsi dont hink the n950 or n9 touch is correct11:28
Stskeepsboth of them11:28
rcgok11:28
rcgi just took the logs from my n9 and n95011:29
rcgthey have a pretty recent nemo version11:29
rcgiirc from last week11:29
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rcgwhat is wrong with the touch input?11:31
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rcgah it is QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE11:33
rcgand it's set to 16 apparently11:34
Stskeepsplay with it a bit11:34
sledgeskulve, I was referring to the alikeness of the touchscreen digitiser part :)11:34
sledgesbut good to know they've fiddled with swapping HW around between the two models11:35
sledgesif they have completely different LCDs, how come we get around with unified N950-N9 HA ? lots of #ifdefs? ;)11:36
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kulvethe size is different, n9 is amoled, n950 is not, etc. I guess the only difference from the sw point of view is the kernel driver11:39
Sagedeztructor: well, ask islam there might be something related to check process where it makes it a bit complex or so11:40
sledgesok cool11:41
sledgesare there any other capacitive touchscreens like that of Nokia's N9(50) ? I mean, rounded corners, and beveled/embossed rounded surface edges11:41
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sledgesI find it a HW design masterpiece11:42
deztructorsledges: lumias :P11:44
sledges:D where WP never does full-edge swipes :DDD11:44
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sledgesi was laughing mao when had a chance to play with a lumia, totally useless for its design, and the three buttons at the bottom.... no comments :)11:44
rcgah, it's set in /var/lib/environment/nemo/60-nemo-mobile-hw.conf11:44
deztructorwp will always be a prison because of m$, this is more important11:44
sledgesmy question was: other than Nokia touchscreens ;) must cost loads to design, manufacture; imagine first low-level calibration procedures even ;)11:45
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norayrsledges: no, I define tablet mode as a mode when gsm don't work.11:45
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vishapsledges: when wifi works, but gsm chip is off or down11:46
vishapoff or sleep11:46
vishapasleep11:46
sledgestake out your SIM, vishap, and you'll have a tablet :)11:46
vishapyes, that's a solution too...11:46
vishapthough gsm chip will take power in that case11:46
vishapalso, afaik sim is only needed for authentication11:47
sledgeswould it then?11:47
sledgesnope, as soon as I take it out, I loose signal11:47
vishapI believe it would spend power.11:47
sledgessince it's a phone, probably always on, as assumed11:47
vishapI have read that in Germany11:47
sledgesI'm sure you can switch gsm chip off via /sys/11:47
vishapit was possible to do emergency calls11:47
vishapwithout sim card11:47
sledgespoint taken ;)11:47
vishapyeah, need to find out how to do that.11:48
sledgesis there flight mode in nemo ?11:48
vishapyes (:11:48
sledgescould look there if there was one11:48
vishapyes, there is flight mode, no tablet mode.11:48
vishapshell I request it as a feature? I am sure it's not hard to implement, and it would give nemo a feature no other OS has out of the box.11:49
sledgesit's just a reduction of what flight mode does in a source code11:49
sledgesshould be easy to code that one11:49
rcgbtw.. when you mention wp.. did you hear that samsung announced to cancel all windows tablets?11:50
sledgesquestion is how much battery life you'd win, and whether is worth the penny11:50
sledgesI heard samsung ditched win8 (at least in sales in US), and also asus iirc11:50
vishapcxl000:  do you know if lipstick requires graphics acceleration? if not, then it would be nice to have a nemo build with lipstick (not razr ui) on n810.11:51
vishapfor...11:52
rcgsledges, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57572763-94/samsungs-windows-rt-tablet-wont-go-to-germany-either/11:52
rcgwell, apparently "all" is a little bit too much but still interesting what samsung thinks about it11:52
rcgStskeeps, i set QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE=4 in /var/lib/environment/nemo/60-nemo-mobile-hw.conf11:54
rcgthat seems to improve things a lot :)11:54
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* sledges tries the same DRAG bit now ;)11:57
rcgsledges, on n9?11:58
sledgesyup11:58
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sledgescan't feel big difference, going back to 16, or 64 even ;)12:05
rcghehe, tell me what 64 feels like :)12:07
rcgat least i have the impression that it really helps reducing the "accidental click" problem in the icon view12:07
rcgsledges, but it didn't make things worse for you?12:08
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sledgesah, i was testing swiping and minimising instead :)12:10
rcg:)12:11
rcgi think that improved as well12:11
rcgi used the terminal to test12:11
rcgthe normal one not the fingerterm12:11
Aardrcg: fingerterm now is the 'normal' one ;)12:12
sledgeslol yes, I got not maliit working (on mer-next), so fingerterm is now my main :)12:17
sledgesrcg, no accidental clicks with =4 apparently12:18
sledgeson the side note - are you running latest version (from thp, with 8 icon columns in launcher in landscape) ?12:18
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sledgesin that case, try scrolling up and down, you'll see tearing12:18
sledgesgives you fake impression there are two sets of 4 columns, and the second one is lagging to scroll :)12:19
sledgesI think 3D accel gpu is overloaded from so many icons to scroll around, since we switched to 4-portrait & 8-landscape column mode12:19
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rcgAard, ;)12:21
sledges*2D12:23
rcgsledges, it has 4 in portrait and 8 in landscape12:23
rcgnot sure if i see tearing but i think i see some stuttering12:23
sledgesyes, so please scroll launcher up and down in landscape12:23
rcgi did12:23
rcgi'm not so good at identifying tearing :)12:24
sledgesmaybe i worded it wrong, but if you scroll rapidly, the last 4 columns are lagging to scroll inline with first 412:24
sledgesbestly noticed, when you are at the top of launcher, and scroll more down, so you overshoot, and it bounces back12:27
sledges(I means, flick your finger downwards)12:27
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rcgnope12:45
rcgcan't see it12:45
rcgbut i got an accidental click again12:45
rcgstill, much less than before12:45
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sledgesrcg, can't sense conclusive difference between 1 and 64 on QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE :(13:12
sledgesprobably eases the accidental clicks, but no difference for swipes13:12
rcghmm i see13:12
rcgmaybe it was a placebo13:12
sledgesPS: launcher is preventing horizontal slides from the _very_ edge of the screen13:13
sledgesmight be addressing bug https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34913:13
MerbotNemo bug 349 in Home "Panning between launcher and switcher is hard." [Normal,New]13:13
sledgesbut harmattan solves this somehow other way13:13
sledgesand allows edge-ful swipes on launcher13:13
rcgbut at least it feels like i get less accidental click13:13
rcgs13:13
rcghmm ic13:13
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8384 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/838413:27
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#38 Rejected promotion request13:58
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faenilo/14:03
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sledges\o14:04
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil hello !!14:12
faenilhey Sfiet_Konstantin14:12
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: how are you ?14:13
Sfiet_Konstantinexams finished ?14:13
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe not ...14:13
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, tired and still busy with that uni project14:14
faenilit's not only that exam...there are lessons in the meanwhile...14:14
Sfiet_Konstantinah, yeah14:14
Sfiet_Konstantinone day, maybe, the SDK will be installed on your comp14:14
Sfiet_Konstantinone day14:15
faenilit's already installed14:15
faeniljust haven't started it yet, to avoid corruption :P14:15
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Sfiet_Konstantin:D14:15
Sfiet_KonstantinI will give you reasons to start it14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: http://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/dev-ambiance-changer-my-first-sailfish-os-app/14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinsooo beautiful14:16
faenilalready given a look at gitorious yesterday ;)14:16
faenilvery quick look14:16
Sfiet_Konstantin...14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing interesting in gitorious actually14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinthe code is crude and not really nice14:17
Sfiet_Konstantinlook at the screenshots, instead14:17
Sfiet_Konstantin:)14:17
faenilI read code, not blogposts :P14:17
faenil:D14:17
faenilalright ;)14:17
Sfiet_Konstantinjust scroll14:17
Sfiet_Konstantinpass all the crap I wrote :P14:18
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8385 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/838514:26
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faenilSfiet_Konstantin, cool :D14:30
Sfiet_Konstantinisn't it ?14:30
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat is fun with Jolla is that I felt that all their features were gadget, before seeing them in action14:31
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#39 Rejected promotion request15:17
Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#40 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/4015:29
Sagenice :)15:31
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#41 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/4115:46
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8386 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/838616:02
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8387 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/838716:02
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8388 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/838816:09
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sledgesI believe Helium Reborn is a Qt-built WebKit. Is it hw accelerated? Are there plans to go native (would be a pain for HA though I guess)16:31
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8379 Accepted promotion request17:01
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sledgesw00t, where should shutdown logos & disclaimers go in nemo-theme-default: bsd or lgpl?17:18
sledgesbsd can be closed, lgpl is compatible with closed frameworks built on top17:18
sledgesin a nutshell, if I got it right :)17:18
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anYcI have the same understanding but I wonder if they have a meaning for graphics17:21
anYcone of the CC might be appropriate17:21
sledgesnemo-theme-default, which contains only graphics, has been split into 2 folders 18 days ago17:21
anYchm okay...17:22
sledgesand some files are here, some are there, I did not have a clue what was the selection criterion applied :)17:22
Sagebsd and lgpl are both fine afaik17:23
* Sage downloads stuff and does reviews.17:24
sledgesso I'll just flip a coin then Sage ? :)17:25
Sagesledges: I think LGPL was the original thing in the theme. bsd was for those parts that were imported from something else. Let me check17:26
SageI would say LGPL17:27
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sledgesok17:27
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* sledges `git push -f origin master` Man, that felt great :)17:36
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Sagesledges: :D17:44
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8374 Accepted promotion request17:53
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8371 Accepted promotion request17:56
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sledgesdone, https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-theme-default/pull/2 , thank you Sage18:02
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* sledges pokes lbt again_away for a nemomobile.org email address to reclaim twitter's @nemomobile account :)18:05
sledgeslbt_away, that is lol18:06
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w00tsledges: pick the license of your choice18:18
w00tthe reasoning for the split was to make it clear the origin of those parts18:19
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8383 Rejected promotion request18:35
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8388 Accepted promotion request18:42
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rcgping w00t19:15
w00tpong :)19:16
rcghey :)19:16
rcghow to use qmlmail?19:16
rcgsorry for the stupid question xD19:16
w00twith some difficulty19:16
rcgalright, then the question may not be that stupid :)19:16
w00tzypper search qmf - you want the examples, or accounts example, or something like that19:17
w00tinstall that, run it, enter your account (_carefully_, as it's a silly widgets ui)19:17
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* w00t would like us to get mail configuration in new settings UI19:17
rcgalright, i see19:19
rcgbtw, is it a known issue that the menu doesn't work?19:19
w00thrm19:20
w00twhich menu?19:20
w00t\ why19:20
rcgin qmlmail19:20
rcgjust a sec19:20
w00tah, the accounts list page?19:21
rcgreference error in AccountPage.qml on line 115: unknown variable colorMenu19:21
w00tthere is no menu there (yet)19:21
w00tI added a button to keep it balanced19:21
w00tin hindsight that was confusing :)19:21
w00tfeel free to submit a PR removing it19:21
rcgaye, but i don't think i'll find the time :/19:25
rcgbut noone knows :)19:25
w00toh c'mon, that one's tiny :(19:25
rcgah, damn.. will do tonight after my fiancee went to sleep19:26
rcg;)19:26
w00t\o/19:26
rcgbtw what's the name of the qmf example script? i installed qmf-examples and don't find anything useful19:27
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w00trpm -ql qmf-examples19:29
w00tit'll have a semi-useful name19:29
w00ti don't recall it off the top of my head19:29
rcghmm.. messagingaccounts19:29
rcgsounds semi useful to me :)19:30
w00tyep19:30
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