Wednesday, 2013-08-28

lpotterhuh? whoo.? whhhaa?00:11
faenillpotter, waaaa00:13
lpottermost of the old TT/Nokia qml team are in australia00:14
faenillpotter, is there any australian in Jolla hanging here?00:14
lpotteryes. most of the tt/nokia qml team00:15
lpotteroh. in the irc? hmmm00:15
lpotteryes.00:16
specialbut they're secret00:17
lpotterwe dont let them out of the code dungeon much00:17
faenillol00:20
lpotterbut they have plenty of pizza and beer00:21
lpotterand coffee/tea00:21
faenilahaha00:22
specialI try to keep them as busy as I can00:27
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Morpog_N9morning04:59
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ericcclong time  no   see05:18
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niqtmorning06:43
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#402 Accepted promotion request07:46
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#406 Accepted promotion request07:54
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w00tsledges: did you have any luck with theme setup in packaging?08:21
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#409 Accepted promotion request08:34
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#410 Accepted promotion request08:47
locusfhttp://pastie.org/8276517 <- maliit errorsx08:48
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#411 Accepted promotion request08:55
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#412 Rejected promotion request09:03
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#413 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/41309:35
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#413 Accepted promotion request09:45
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cxl000deztructor, Could you have a look at https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/fuse/pull/3 as fuse is a build req for cor and statefs*10:58
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deztructorcxl000: yes, i'll check it today10:59
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cxl000thanks.11:01
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deztructorcxl000: fine, i think Aard can merge it11:03
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alteregoHaven't logged in to facebook for over a week, feel quite refreshed ..11:10
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sledgesw00t, testing packaging now11:52
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faenilgood afternoon o/13:21
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locusfso, ofono issues are not to be found on my latest image13:28
locusfat least not yet13:28
locusfgotta reflash with faenils ks to be sure13:28
faenilgreat :) maybe Aard can say more about the ofono problems he was taking about?13:28
locusfWarning: repo problem: nothing provides lipstick-qt5 >= 0.12.7 needed by lipstick-colorful-home-qt5-0.5.3-6.69.Nemo.UX.MTF.armv7hl,13:28
Aardlocusf: as in, modem comes up reliably every time?13:29
locusfalso13:29
locusfAard: yeah after entering pin for sim card13:29
Aardlocusf: try a sim without pin13:29
locusfAard: hmm indeed13:29
locusffaenil: do you know anything about the repo problem, can you reproduce by running mic?13:30
Aardmodem seems to start more reliably with sim query, I noticed that as well13:30
faenillocusf, jpetrell just changed lipstick's version to an old one13:30
faenilI looked for him, but he's not here13:30
faenilI noticed that and wanted to ask him why13:30
locusffaenil: ffffuuuu13:30
w00the vanished13:31
w00tlet me look13:31
faenilw00t, he tagged v0.1013:32
faenilinstead of 0.12.blabla13:32
w00tI'd guess he misread the latest tag13:32
faenilmost likely13:32
locusfyeah git tag -l gives those too13:32
faenilw00t, anyway, our homescreen has been crashing once every 2 mins since yesterday :D13:33
faenilI guess the problem is somewhere here https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/commit/bc0c66a6baf7268b4ac13b0904a549f1922c424213:34
faenilas maybe we're missing something13:34
w00tget a backtrace13:34
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faenilw00t, yeah I've just joined, still have to start everything :P13:36
faenilI feel happy because I finished early today \o/13:37
w00tgood13:37
faenillet's start13:37
locusfhmm it build 0.10.7 still13:38
locusfhttps://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=lipstick-qt5&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw&repository=latest_armv7hl13:38
w00toh for christ's sake13:38
w00twhy did it do that13:38
faenillocusf, it's still building13:39
faenilgive it some time13:39
locusfsure for next_ but for everything else its succeeded13:39
faenilhe's right, 10.7 :O13:39
w00tphaeron: do you have any idea what's gotten confused here?13:40
locusfgive jpetrell a plush monkey the next time someone sees him13:40
w00tphaeron: lipstick accidentally got tagged at a way old version, I tagged it with a higher one, the last known SHA is correct, but it's built the wrong version13:40
faenilw00t, have you deleted v10 tag?13:41
w00tno, and there's no need to do so, this should do the right thing13:41
locusfhave you ever had this problem?13:41
locusfbefore I mean13:41
w00tno, which is why i'm asking the almighty phaeron for his wisdom and compassion to fix all my problems and make the world good again :)13:42
locusf:)13:42
faenilhas anybody seen this instead? I'm setting up armv7hl targer, but I think something got screwed in the process13:42
faenilahaha :)13:42
faenil/opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: i386 architecture of input file `main.o' is incompatible with arm output13:42
locusfI had that too13:42
locusfbut different words13:42
faenilmess with architectures13:42
locusfcc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option '-mfloat-abi=hard'13:43
locusfcc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option '-mfpu=vfpv3-d16'13:43
locusfcc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option '-mno-thumb'13:43
sledgesw00t, done, PR ready13:43
faenilsledges, o/13:43
sledges\o ciao :)13:43
phaeronw00t: does the old tag sit at the new revision ?13:44
w00tphaeron: hmm, I guess both do yes13:44
phaeronor .. the new tag that specifies an old version sits at the same sha1 revision :D13:44
phaeronwhile it has a more recent committer date.13:45
phaeronso it will be used in preference13:45
w00tmy date should be ok13:45
w00tI'll just try remove the old tag13:45
phaeronthe newer was pushed more recently , right ?13:46
w00tyes13:46
phaeronso yes you need to remove the rogue tag13:46
locusfalso hey phaeron :)13:47
phaeronlocusf: hey :)13:47
phaeronlong time no see again :)13:47
locusfyeah :)13:47
w00tretagged13:47
locusfwas just gonna say the same :)13:47
faeniltagged correctly now13:48
faeniland failed to build xD13:48
w00t..13:48
* w00t is going to go on a murdering spree13:49
locusfon x86_64 it is13:49
w00tno13:49
w00tit's unresolvable13:49
w00twhich is thanks to all the other build failures on there13:49
locusfah13:49
faenilah yeah only x86 as usual13:50
faenilw00t, know anything about my arch error from ls?13:51
faenilld?13:51
w00tSage: I want to remove xterm from nemo:devel:mw, any objections?13:51
w00tfaenil: no13:51
locusfsucceeds, good version too13:53
locusftime to reflash13:54
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faenilI don't know wtf is wrong with my arm target xD13:55
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#415 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/41514:01
locusfok reflashed, looking good with plymouth here faenil14:10
faenillocusf, great ;)14:10
locusfthe icons don't work though14:11
sledgese?14:11
sledges:D14:11
sledgesdid someone mention icons :))14:11
locusfits set to darko14:11
locusftheme I mean14:11
faenillocusf, missing meegotouch-theme-darko in the .ks I think14:11
faenildon't know if I pushed the latest update14:11
faenilto the .ks14:11
faeniljust try installing darko14:12
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locusffaenil: ok14:12
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faenilw00t, is there verbose mode in mb?14:17
faenilto try understand where it's failing14:17
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faenillet's build the image from scratch...14:21
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qmlsettings/pull/414:22
faenillocusf, I was about to push the same :/14:22
faenilfixed yet last night, and couldn't get this damn armv7 target to work so postponed the PR lol14:22
faenilfixed that*14:22
locusffaenil: ok14:24
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faenildo you have a workinga armv7hl sb2 target for wayland?14:24
locusfNenope14:24
locusf-Ne14:24
faenilok, then I'll push that ks as well, once I'm sure it works14:25
sledgesNe in my homeland means no..14:25
faenil:)14:26
faenilsledges, you're quiet today, sup mate? :)14:26
sledgeswork14:26
sledges:)14:26
faenilowww :P14:27
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sledgeshehe14:27
sledgeshow is it going?14:27
faenilI'm stuck with creating a working arm target updated to wayland :D14:27
faenilbut apart from that, I guess we have to do some wiki work14:27
faenilbefore fixing stuff14:28
sledgesmMm14:28
faenilso that more people can join and contribute14:28
sledgesi fixed up broken moslo kernel14:28
sledgeswas main blocker14:28
sledgesin wiki14:28
faenilbroken for what?14:28
sledgesto flash n9, didt work14:28
faenilmain blocker where?14:28
faenil? :O14:29
sledges^14:29
sledges:)14:29
faenilbut, locusf has n9?14:29
sledgesyes he used the fix14:29
sledgeslong time ago14:29
faenilah :) didn't know there was a problem on n914:29
sledgesbut now its finally in wiki14:29
faenilahhhh ok!!!14:29
faenil:P14:29
faenilwe have to write down the current status of nemo wayland14:30
faeniland start using nemo bugtracker aggressively14:30
sledgesi was smiling from ear to ear seeing green https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Qt5PortingCoreApps ;)14:32
faenilsledges, so, is that fix for theme final?14:32
faenilyeah it's nice to see it now :)14:32
sledgesfaenil, it will show all button backgrounds and borders finally14:33
faenilslaine, I meant the reboot thing14:33
faeniloh crap, sorry bro slaine14:34
faenilsledges, ^14:34
faenilxD14:34
slainelol14:34
sledges?14:34
slaineslTAB14:34
sledgesreboot for changes to take effect?14:34
faenilsledges, yup14:34
faenilslaine, yeah, will you ever forgive me lol14:34
slaineI guess I could try, I don't normally do that though ;)14:35
sledgesfaenil, one step at a time, we don't want to address dynamically changing themes as soon as they are installed, just yet14:35
faenilowwww :D14:35
sledgesso now reboot is needed14:35
faenilsledges, no problem just wanted to know if that was the final fix for the moment14:35
faenilok ;)14:35
faenilbut it shouldn't be needed if it's installed by default in the image, I hope14:35
sledgesah understood, for the moment yes14:35
faenilas it's not cached14:35
sledgesi thought the same14:35
sledgesbut then remembered qwazix intention to keep two themes14:36
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sledgesso it will hit back ;)14:36
sledgeswe'll worry when needed14:36
faenilyeah14:36
Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#416 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/41614:37
faenilif there's any maintainer around, please review https://github.com/nemomobile/meegotouch-theme-darko/pull/214:38
faenilso I can build new image and test it :P14:38
slaineHow's the Qt5 migration going ?14:38
faenilslaine, good, good, all core apps ported, we're starting to test stuff14:39
sledgesfaenil, "just add fuel" :D14:39
sledgeshttp://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/sledge:/branches:/nemo:/devel:/ux/latest_i486/14:39
faenilwhile waiting for UI guys to do UI work for UI components :P14:39
faenilsledges, shhh :P14:39
slainewell done guys14:39
sledges8)~14:39
sledgescheers slaine14:40
sledgeshow's you?14:40
slainecrazy busy14:40
sledgesyay14:40
faenilow crap I forgot to send my picture for Jolla TShirt contest! :(14:40
faeniloops wrong chat14:40
sledgessame here14:41
sledges:D14:41
sledgesoops :DD14:41
locusfhttp://pastie.org/827730614:42
faenillocusf, ahahah lol14:42
faenilwell, pretty clear error :D14:42
locusfyeah :D14:42
locusfbut wtf dynamicform14:43
sledgeswas about to say that..14:43
sledgesQAJAX - dynamically generated QML :D14:43
faenilxD14:44
locusfhmm14:44
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qmlsettings/pull/514:45
Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#415 Accepted promotion request14:45
faenilwhy is it even using that?14:45
locusfits a mustache template14:47
sledgesnice14:47
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faenilyes but why14:48
sledgesrefactoring14:49
faenil:/14:49
faenilcare about elaborating more?14:49
sledgesbut also meaningful TODO thee ;)14:49
sledges*there14:49
faenilhell yeah14:50
sledgescould you do that without template?14:50
sledgeswould a new component be derived?14:50
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sledgesi thought that many of its contents would change (to complicate matters further), but it isnt14:50
Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#416 Accepted promotion request14:53
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faenilsledges, couldn't you just use14:55
faenilcreateQmlObject('import bla bla ' + text + 'rest' ) ?14:55
locusfit would probably hurt readability, given that that component is quite big14:56
faenilfor a few "+" ?14:57
faenilit's not like you can't write it multiple line...14:57
locusfok yeah14:58
locusffaenil: do you want me to fix it?15:10
faenillocusf, I don't issue orders :P15:10
locusfoh :)15:10
faenildo as you wish :)15:10
faenilI don't know why mustache was used when an easy alternative was already available15:10
faenilthere could be a specific reason15:10
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sledgesgit blame15:11
sledges:D15:11
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faenilsledges, we already know, there's only one person who worked on qmlsettings :D15:13
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faeniland I'm fairly sure he had his reasons to use mustache :D15:20
faenildamn there is so much old stuff on wiki15:23
faenilit's becoming a mess15:24
Aardisn't that the definition of 'wiki'?15:24
faenil:D15:24
faenilAard, actually wikipedia's content is continuously updated :P15:24
faenilit's just that we're lazy15:25
Aardthen just move the content to wikipedia?15:25
locusf:D15:29
faenilAard, killer answer15:30
locusfw00t: what do you think about the dynamic form, should I just get rid of it and use bindings15:32
faenilfor example, this should be completely rewritten from scratch15:32
faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedInFixingBugs15:32
faenilin the meanwhile, I'll just create onemorepageā„¢15:35
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sledges:D15:37
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locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qmlsettings/pull/5 <- could someone OK15:47
locusfhmm I lost my smoothness due to using faenils .ks15:48
faenillocusf, remember you modified the config on the n915:49
faenil(don't know if that helped in the end)15:49
locusffaenil: it didn't15:51
faenilok15:51
faenilthen try hard to remember what you changed15:51
faenilanyway, it's smooth here15:51
faenilQML apps are not, as usual15:51
faenilbut the homescreen is smooth15:51
locusfbtw filemuncher launcher is broken15:53
faenillooks okay to me from github15:54
faenilwhat's wrong?15:54
locusfJan 01 01:37:24 localhost lipstick[353]: /usr/bin/invoker: invalid option -- 'f'15:54
locusfwell there is nothing to invoke :D15:54
faenillocusf, there is no f XD15:54
faenilahhaha lol15:55
faenilright15:55
locusfwhoops15:55
faenillocusf, you deleted the bin when working :D15:56
faenilwhen porting*15:56
locusfyep15:56
faenilI'm working on wiki15:57
locusfgood15:57
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qmlfilemuncher/pull/1015:57
faenilgo on15:59
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locusfbtw tested qmlgallery again, the gestures do work ok16:00
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faenillocusf, ok, it was bugged already, so it's good it kind of works at least16:03
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w00tlocusf: if you can easily get rid of the dynamic form, go right ahead16:08
w00ti'd be happy to see it gone16:09
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sledges:}16:09
locusfhmm ok16:09
faenilw00t, <faenil> createQmlObject('import bla bla ' + text + 'rest' ) ?16:11
faenilwas there any specific reason why you used mustache?16:11
w00tfaenil: I didn't16:12
w00tthe code was inherited16:12
faenilah ok16:12
w00trozhkov may remember why16:12
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locusfguah, 21G of 32G of memory used :f16:24
faenil??16:24
locusfzfs likes caching16:25
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faenilphew, I'm done16:55
faenilPlease read it, any feedback is appreciated16:56
faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Armv7hl_Development_Guide16:56
sledgesfaenil, \o/16:56
sledgeshow did you solve the sb target pest?16:57
faenilnot fixed yet, I was writing the guide :D16:57
faenilnow I'll setup a new sb2 target and see16:57
sledgesok :D16:58
faeniljust build image from scratch16:58
faenilbuilt*16:58
sledgesso there's no dedicated sb2 -wayland- .ks ?16:58
sledges(for arm)16:58
faenilyes there is?16:58
sledgeswritten by you i mean16:58
sledgesjust like you had for vm16:59
sledgesi48616:59
faenilsledges, have you read the guide?16:59
sledges:D16:59
sledgesno16:59
sledgesxD16:59
faenilTHEN RTFM16:59
faenil:D16:59
sledgesjust saw this:16:59
sledgesNow setup the SB2 target by following the guide available here16:59
sledgesxD16:59
* sledges needs sleep and coffe16:59
faenilI'll change that to "now finish setting up" :P16:59
sledgespreferably in that order :D16:59
sledgesok :))17:00
* sledges hometime17:00
sledgescyasz17:00
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faenilsledges, cya17:00
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faenilwook, you're the perfect tester17:03
wookam i?17:03
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faenilyup, you don't even have mer sdk installed17:04
wookno, I don't17:05
faenilso, you're the perfect tester for the guide :)17:05
faenilyou have to setup everything from scratch :D17:05
wookcrap, how much hdd?17:06
wookwin? x64?17:06
wooknux 12.x x32?17:06
faeniloh, right, you're on windows...17:06
faenilpfff17:06
wookyep17:06
wook:D17:06
wookor you need x?17:06
faenilno x17:06
wookok, I am up to fresh one p417:07
wook(used only for half-life when my niece is here)17:07
wook:D17:07
faenil:)17:08
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wookwas up to do it 2day....but too much busy with bsd D:17:09
faenilehe17:10
faenilwhat are you doing on bsd?17:10
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wookI was debugging smthn17:10
faenilFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuu17:12
faenilsame error, argh17:12
wookck17:12
wookagain?17:12
faenilcollect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped17:12
faenil/opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: i386 architecture of input file `main.o' is incompatible with arm output17:12
wookis there anything without err?17:12
wook:P17:12
Stskeepsmake clean17:12
faenilStskeeps, I'm using mb, it uses temp paths for makefiles I think17:13
faenilsb2-init  -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / nemoWayland_armv7hl /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc17:14
faenilUsing /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc to detect target architecture:17:14
faenilcollect2: cannot find 'ld'17:14
faenilthat's from sb2-init17:15
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faenilsb2-init: Target architecture is 'armv7hl'17:18
faenilsb2-init: Host architecture is 'i[3456]86'17:18
faenilif anybody has an idea... :P17:20
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locusfso whats going on18:14
faenilback18:16
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faenillocusf, nothing, my arm target doesn't work18:16
locusfok18:16
locusfmy x86 and arm targets don't work either18:19
faenilyay18:22
faenilmaybe something got screwed in toolchains packages?18:22
locusfI dunno18:22
locusfmaybe18:22
faenilw00t, who can we ask about toolchains?18:22
faenil When the user makes the error of throwing an incompatible object (in my18:27
faenil> case, and i386 ELF file) into an ARM ELF link, ld generates the18:27
faenil> "architecture of input file is incompatible with arm output" error as it should18:27
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faenilmmm now MerSDK wants to downgrade lots of stuff18:29
faenilnew release maybe18:30
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locusfwhat was the sdk update script?18:32
faenilsdk-upgrade18:33
faenilif there's a new release18:33
faenilotherwise18:33
faenilsudo sdk-version --latest --go18:34
faenilforget sdk-upgrade18:34
locusfI updated the wiki page with latest image location18:35
faenilah right I forgot to write that18:36
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locusfhmm I think I have a working arm target18:40
locusfwhat do you need faenil?18:40
faenilI need to fix my issue :(18:41
faenilyou followed my guide to set it up?18:41
locusfI followed my own guide 2 days ago :)18:42
faenilthen can you see if I missed anything?18:43
faenilI already setup arm targets in the past18:43
faeniland it always worked18:43
faenilI don't know what's the issue now ...18:43
locusfyeah18:43
locusfI don't see any issues, I used the same mic command but my own ks18:43
locusfshould make a difference18:43
locusfshouldn't18:44
faenillocusf, mind comparing the ks?18:49
locusffaenil: well its the images .ks18:50
locusfnot a sb2 target ks18:50
faenilok18:50
locusfbut sure I can put it into a pastebin18:50
locusfhttp://pastie.org/827788618:51
faenilah well it's exactly the ks on my repo18:52
locusfnot exactly18:52
locusfcheck with meld, I'm not 100% sure its the same18:52
locusfsmall differences, I don't have the plymouth stuff18:53
faenilonly real differences are meego-rpm-config and glibc-devel18:55
locusfyeah18:55
faenilwhich I added because you had to install those afterwards anyway18:55
locusfthats a nice touch tough :)18:55
faenilbut maybe there was a reason if you have to install them afterwards :/18:55
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faenillocusf, fixed19:14
locusffaenil: what is?19:14
faenilFUTURE USER: if you happen to see something like /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: i386 architecture of input file `main.o' is incompatible with arm output ....then DELETE stuff inside /home/yourUsername/rpmbuild/BUILD and BUILDROOT and SOURCES19:15
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faenillocusf, so, what are you up to19:17
locusffaenil: nothing atm19:19
locusfjust installed my colorful-home at my emulator19:19
locusf(for some glacier mockupping)19:19
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faenilyou're doing mockups too now? :D19:20
locusfkeep your pants on, its just something small :)19:21
faenil:)19:21
locusfhow do I activate lock screen in emulator?19:21
locusfeg. virtualbox19:22
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locusfhmm just waiting probably works19:25
locusffaenil: anything you'd need help with?19:25
faenillocusf, lockscreen works19:27
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locusffaenil: ?19:29
faenilin VM, it works19:30
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locusfyeah19:31
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locusfshould we debug maliit?19:38
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faenillocusf, was updating wiki sorry19:43
locusfnp19:43
locusfme too19:43
faenillocusf, can you update this? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status/Matrix#NEMO_WAYLAND_STATUS19:43
faenilwith what you know19:43
locusfI am19:44
locusfupdating19:44
locusfnow19:44
faenilok ;)19:44
faenilto people still awake: http://i8910tuning.com/2013/08/28/some-updates-to-nemomobiles-wiki-guide-for-n9n950-and-vm-development/19:44
locusfgrr wrong matrix19:44
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locusfhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Wayland_status_matrix <- was doing this19:45
faenilthere was one already, so I thought it was worth using that and using the same page19:46
locusfyes good point19:46
faenilbut I agree that the old matrix isn't very readable19:47
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locusfentered some that I know19:49
faenilok thank you19:50
locusfhow do I do GPRS/EDGE/HSPA?19:50
faenilno idea :)19:50
faenillocusf, notifications working?19:52
locusffaenil: yes for calls19:52
faenilyou also wrote text19:52
locusfhmm that doesn't19:53
locusffixed19:59
locusfeverything I think I have tested is there now19:59
locusfhows the bugtracker doing?20:01
faenilbugtracker is there already20:01
locusfany active bugs to it?20:02
faenilwe just have to use it and ask people to fill it20:02
faenilhttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/20:02
locusftheres no nemo20:02
locusfah nemomobile20:02
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locusfok got in20:06
locusfI'll head to bed now, see you tomorrow20:08
faeniloh, ok :/20:08
faenilsleep well20:08
faenilps20:08
faenilno text to input WPA here20:08
locusfwell any wifi key20:08
faenilnope20:09
faenilno text input20:09
locusfat all?20:09
locusfwith newest qmlsettings?20:09
faenilyep20:09
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locusfhmm odd20:09
locusfI do get it20:09
faenilon vm20:09
locusfhttps://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=qmlsettings&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Aapps&repository=latest_armv7hl20:10
locusfzypper info qmlsettings20:10
locusfwell vm doesn't probably have wifi20:10
faenilI built it myself20:11
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faenilI'm on n95020:11
locusfah pl20:11
locusfok20:11
locusfhmm20:11
locusfwill check tomorrow20:11
faenillocusf, ah I used the wrong file ;)20:11
faenilsleep well20:11
locusfyou too :)20:11
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cxl000Aard, Could you look at commiting https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/fuse/pull/3 it replaces pull/1 which is broken a can just be closed.20:18
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faenilw00t, ping20:32
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qwazixfaenil, hey20:43
faenilspecial, how can I setup wifi pass manually so that settings apps connects without asking for pw?20:43
faenilqwazix, hey :)20:43
specialassume that the settings application is the only way to set a wifi password20:44
qwazixI was thinking about the components, and we want to be device independent, don't we?20:44
specialit's technically possible on commandline, but it's very awkward20:44
qwazixIn that case we need a size unit other than px20:44
qwazixI don't know if Qt5 has something baked in now, but I think I have found a very nice solution for nemo: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=45620:45
faenilspecial, via wpa_supplicant I guess20:45
* faenil clicks20:46
qwazixlong story short, have a specific device factor that all sizes will be multiplied with (this factor can be calculated via simple formula)20:46
specialfaenil: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal/Networking looks relevant20:47
faenilspecial, awesome just what I was looking for, thank you20:48
specialqwazix: Qt5 has no concept of device independent sizes.20:48
specialubuntu touch's components have something. I don't know much about it.20:49
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qwazixspecial, is it possible to multiply all qml sizes with a number at runtime without forcing the developer to write     width: 35*UI_SIZE_FACTOR        every time?20:50
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specialqwazix: take a look at what ubuntu touch is doing. iirc, they have a wrapper function that converts sizes so it can be used like diu(200)20:50
special(that is a performance hit and a bit of a complication in QML, but oh well.)20:51
qwazixhmm, sounds ok-ish, faenil what do you say?20:51
faenilqwazix, interesting read :)20:51
qwazixthanks20:52
specialsilica primarily uses the theme object for all sizing20:52
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faenilwhich makes sense20:52
specialthat does help enforce consistency; people use the right padding and the right font sizes and so on20:53
qwazixyeah, we want this20:53
specialit's also more flexible than it looks in that you can do things like "90% of fontSizeLarge"20:53
qwazixok so we either use a function, or tell people to multiply by a number in the theme object, it's essentially the same thing20:56
specialer, let me clarify20:56
specialto scale to device, you'd change the theme's size values. Applications should just use those and not worry.20:56
specialand they could use values derived from those if necessary20:57
faenilyeah you still need the factor in the theme object :/20:57
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specialI haven't seen an implementation of device-independent units that I like, so far20:58
specialI'm not sure what apple does precisely20:58
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qwazixspecial, apple does the braindamaged thing of just multiplying everything by two for retina displays21:01
qwazixand gets the developer to make double bitmaps like    cake.png  ->  cake@2x.png21:02
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specialah.21:04
Venemo_I think the components should automatically adjust themselves to the DPI of the current device21:04
faenilyeah I've seen those :/21:04
Venemo_in that case, if the app developer uses anchors, he will never need to care about pixel sizes21:04
faenil(the 2@ images)21:04
faenilspecial, I think your reasoning makes sense but only if developer doesn't want custom sized controls21:05
faenilin that case, you lose the theme sizes21:05
specialif the developer wants custom sizes, the developer is assuming responsibility for those decisions, no?21:05
Morpog_MobileQwazix how should that work with pixel graphics?21:05
specialDIU is more flexible in that regard though, true.21:06
faenilspecial, you're there to make developer's life easier :P21:06
specialfaenil: more often, they need to be beaten into submission instead :p21:06
faenilahah :)21:06
faenilis there a new Apple manager at Jolla? :D21:07
specialan apple manager?21:07
faenilapple is known for telling users and developers what they can and mostly CAN'T do :P21:08
specialhaha21:08
specialpersonal opinion, of course. But, developers tend to do stupid things if you let them.21:08
faenilagree, but as usual, you can't enforce rules just because "some" of them behave like that21:09
specialI was trying to clean up the application data/cache folders on my mac recently. Huge mess.21:09
faenil:)21:09
faenilI'm wondering why zypper dup decided it was okay to replace ti-sgx with libMesa21:11
faenilon n950...21:11
speciala dependency that sgx isn't satisfying, perhaps?21:12
qwazixMorpog_Mobile, I haven't given much thought to graphics, but one idea is to encourage vector graphics and do the conversion at install time (or package time?)21:12
specialthere's a specific GL library name where that can come up.21:12
Venemo_faenil: I actually agree with rules and conventions, if they make sense21:12
faenilVenemo_, yes, up to some point ;)21:12
faenilanarchy doesn't help anyone21:12
Venemo_+121:13
Venemo_nah, good night21:13
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faenilnighe21:13
Morpog_MobileBetter at package time21:14
qwazixIn design and art if you're good enough you don't need rules, and you might do even better if you break them. But rules help those who aren't good to be good enough.21:14
faenilagree21:14
qwazixMorpog_Mobile, you'd then have to have different rpm's for N9 and Nexus 7 however21:14
Morpog_MobileHmmm21:15
faenilqwazix, Morpog_Mobile in case you missed it, https://twitter.com/faenil/status/37280648695697817621:15
Morpog_MobileCould take ages on device21:15
Morpog_Mobilefaenil, i seen :)21:15
qwazixfaenil, thanks21:16
faenilJan 01 00:00:05 localhost oneshot[249]: oneshot: /etc/oneshot.d/0/setcaps-timed-qt5.sh - FAIL21:16
faenilspecial, probably because of kernel config?21:16
faenilJan 01 00:00:05 localhost oneshot[249]: Failed to set capabilities on file `/usr/bin/timed-qt5'21:16
specialhm21:16
qwazixMorpog_Mobile, it shouldn't take ages, if there aren't too many svg filters imagick should be able to convert svg's very quickly.21:16
specialthat's a bad thing21:16
specialcan you look at the script and figure out what's failing exactly?21:17
faenilwell it does setcap SYS_RAW_TIME+ep /usr/bin/timed-qt521:17
faenilsomething like that21:17
Morpog_Mobileqwazix, if :)21:17
specialand why does that fail21:17
faenilspecial, "Not supported"21:17
qwazixbrowsers display pretty complex svg's in real time (and with javascript and SMIL animating their properties)21:17
specialsounds like it might be kernel, yeah21:18
specialwithout that capability, timed can't set the system clock.21:18
faenilyeah, guessed that :/21:18
Morpog_MobileWell inkscape is heavy with lots of filters sometimes21:18
qwazixMorpog_Mobile, we can warn against too many filters, nobody will want their app to take ages to install21:18
faenilJan 01 00:00:06 localhost connmand[241]: Failed to flush table 'mangle': Invalid argument21:19
specialalso probably kernel config related21:19
specialmangle is iptables21:19
specialnot sure that one would have any effect, though21:19
Morpog_MobileAnd you need to make sure an even pixel size doesn't get odd at conversion21:19
qwazixor we can even not support them and get over with it. If somebody wants heavily filtered images he can supply big bitmaps to be scaled down21:19
qwazix(or even multiple versions but I find that waste of bandwidth)21:20
qwazixanyway, as I said I haven't given it much thought, there might be a better solution21:20
Morpog_MobileIdea is nice21:21
qwazixMorpog_Mobile, why is that even/odd thing? artifacts?21:21
Morpog_MobileAlignement21:22
specialidly, I think device independence is an important property for nemo, since it's an experimental and easily portable platform.21:22
qwazixI doubt that in >200ppi screens this would be noticeable, but it's easy to put a check for that anyway21:22
qwazixspecial, exactly21:22
Morpog_MobileWell, on a n9 you would notice for sure21:23
qwazixI know it's tedious work but if we don't do it right from the start it's very hard to bolt it on later21:23
qwazix(thus @2x kludges)21:23
joecoolare there any devices i can use nemo on and have it mostly work? I have an N9 but the status matrix doesn't really say if a bunch of things work with it21:28
faeniljoecool, Nemo wayland is like that everywhere21:29
faenilyou might want to install Nemo x1121:29
joecoolanyone have any sort of modern guide on how i could install it? the ones i found were about a year old21:30
joecoolhave things changed at all?21:30
joecool(assuming i do install x11, not wayland)21:30
faeniljoecool, the guide is updated21:32
faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing21:32
faenillet's try to understand why lipstrick times out every 2 mins and is restarted by systemd :)21:34
joecoolok will review it21:34
faenilmmm maliit21:41
qwazixjoecool, you might want to check out ubiboot, friendlier way to dualboot with added bonuses21:52
faenilfriendler once it's set up :P21:53
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faenilspecial, does maliit have any log or something? systemd just says its service timed out22:28
specialkillall maliit-server; MALIIT_DEBUG=enabled maliit-server22:29
specialas nemo and with dbus session22:29
faenilok thx22:29
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faenilmmm not bad22:32
faenilFATAL: List of attribute names is either too long or not null-terminated.22:32
faenilMaximum number of attributes on this hardware is 0.22:32
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specialno idea what that means22:33
faenilattributes in shader22:33
faenilthere's shader source after that22:33
specialmmm22:33
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specialcheck that environment is ok; to be safe, maybe set MALIIT_DEBUG for the systemd service and let it run that way22:33
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faenilyeah22:34
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faenilspecial, nothing in journalctl22:43
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NeeDforKillhello guys22:59
NeeDforKillon n9 wayland image working wi-fi?22:59
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faenilNeeDforKill, yes, but currently there's a bug with the settings apps23:01
faenilso you have to connect via cmdline23:01
faenilI'll fix it tomorrow I think23:01
NeeDforKillpossible to use zypper dup?23:01
NeeDforKillin wayland23:01
NeeDforKillimage23:01
NeeDforKillor i don't need use it?23:02
faenilwhat do you mean?23:02
NeeDforKilli mean, how i need update this wayland image23:02
NeeDforKillonly redownload new23:02
NeeDforKillor i can use zypper?23:02
faenilno, zypper dup ofc ;)23:03
NeeDforKillzypper dup will working?23:03
faenilsame as Nemo x1123:03
NeeDforKillguide from wiki will be working?23:03
faenilbut I can't guarantee that you'll never have to reflash23:03
faenilyes guide from wiki is working23:03
NeeDforKillso if u fix settings23:03
NeeDforKilland i make update23:03
faenilyes23:03
NeeDforKillfrom zypper dup23:03
NeeDforKilland it will fix setting?23:04
NeeDforKills23:04
NeeDforKill*23:04
faenilyes23:04
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NeeDforKillnicee,23:04
NeeDforKillcan u give me command in cmdline23:04
NeeDforKillfor this23:04
faenilNeeDforKill, oh another problem, virtual keyboard doesn't work currently :D23:04
NeeDforKillfor wi-fi*23:04
faenilabout the wifi, see this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal/Networking23:04
NeeDforKillso only ssh?23:04
faenilfingerterm has its own keyboard23:05
faenilyou can use terminal with its keyboard23:05
faenilbut maliit doesn't work (fingerterm doesn't use maliit)23:05
NeeDforKillanyway i monitor ur twitter everyday ))23:06
faeniloh cool :)23:06
faenilwhat's your twitter handle? :)23:07
NeeDforKilli not register in twitter23:07
faenilah ok ;)23:07
NeeDforKillbut here I think can make it?23:08
faenilspecial, started from fingerterm, same shader error23:08
faenilhave to see why it does WARNING: QEGLPlatformContext::makeCurrent: eglError: 3009, this: 0x4137c023:08
faenilNeeDforKill, can make what?23:08
NeeDforKilltwitter acc23:08
NeeDforKill*23:08
faenilwhy "here" ?23:09
faenilpvuorela, ping23:10
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NeeDforKillso i register in twitter23:14
faenilNeeDforKill, sorry I'm not getting your questions :)23:15
NeeDforKillso now easy to read ur twitts :D23:17
faenilok :D23:17
NeeDforKillso now need install ubuntu on vmware ,then install ubi boot23:18
NeeDforKillso glacer ui,it's photoshop concept?23:19
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faenilNeeDforKill, yes, we're still in photoshop phase23:21
NeeDforKillbut looks awesome ))23:22
faenilit does yeah :) it would be great to see that come true23:22
fk_lxnight hackers :-)23:33
faenilfk_lx, night o/23:33
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fk_lxbye ;-)23:34
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faenilgood night people23:40
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