Saturday, 2013-10-05

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sledgesgoood moorning06:37
Stskeepsgood morning sledges06:38
dm8tbrgood moaning gents06:39
* dm8tbr idly ponders if he has to take any special precautions to boot mer/nemo on an UEFI system06:43
Stskeepsdm8tbr: joggler was one06:43
Stskeepsso not really06:43
dm8tbrok06:43
Stskeepswhat are you planning on haxx0ring?06:43
dm8tbrI have those FRI2 things kicking around06:43
dm8tbrintel was giving them away06:44
Stskeepshmm :P06:44
dm8tbrdid we have XBMC packages for mer?06:44
Stskeepssomewhere i think06:44
dm8tbr*nod*06:45
dm8tbrI remember Sage playing with it, that's why I asked06:45
dm8tbrany thoughts on a HMI paradigm for STB? just realized I could put the sailfish image on it too06:47
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Stskeepswell, you could always pursue a "phone turns into touchpad for tv" kind of thing06:48
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dm8tbror a openCV mouse type of thing06:49
Stskeepsnod06:49
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dm8tbrgenerally interesting stuff to explore, if one would have all the time06:50
Stskeepsyeah..06:50
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iekkumorning07:05
dm8tbrgood moaning iekku07:16
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locusfmorning08:10
rantomMorning08:23
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locusfhmm this didn't really work with shader :/ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/286182/slider-shader.png08:44
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faenilo/09:03
locusf\o09:03
faeniliekku, awesome to see your nick change :)09:07
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locusfhttp://www.modernette.ca/press/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing-science-dog.jpg <- me and shaders09:17
zbenjaminmorning all09:22
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zbenjaminfaenil: did you try my patches already?09:23
mric_locusf, hahah09:23
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iekkufaenil, :)09:29
iekkufaenil, feels awesome too09:29
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sandy_lockeHi faenil10:09
faeniliekku, great, so happy to hear that :)10:09
sandy_lockeRemember me ? From talk.maemo10:09
faenilzbenjamin, hey o/ nope :(10:09
faenilsandy_locke, hello :) nope XD10:09
faenilsandy_locke, the graphics guy? :D10:10
sandy_lockewould like to join for nemomobile as a graphic designer10:10
sandy_lockeyes :)10:10
zbenjaminfaenil: then try ;)10:10
faenilok :D10:10
faenilzbenjamin, managed to rotate homescreen? :)10:10
sandy_lockeso where do I start ?10:10
faenilsandy_locke, so, qwazix is the graphics team lead, Hurrian and Morpog_Mobile are two other members :)10:10
sandy_lockeSeems the project is already well advanced10:11
zbenjaminno :), i'm still busy to write the code examples i have to do for that job @ canonical10:11
faenilthey'd be better at explaining things related to that :P10:11
faenilzbenjamin, oki ;)10:11
sandy_lockeok, thanks faenil10:12
faenilsandy_locke, it seems like they're all afk atm10:12
faenilsandy_locke, so, basically10:12
zbenjaminfaenil: the apps even rotate when they are minimized btw10:12
zbenjaminyou know where you can see all running apps10:12
faenilsandy_locke, there are two main designs for the new Nemomobile UI10:12
faenilzbenjamin, yeah that just takes a picture of the fb I guess :)10:13
faenilsandy_locke, Glacier (idea by Hurrian) and Breeze (idea by qwazix)10:13
faenilGlacier is mostly a flat design, and it's the one we're working on right now10:13
zbenjaminfaenil: what also already works is that the gesture direction to swipe out a app changes with the orientation10:13
faenilwe hope to add Breeze later on top as Glacier's theme or something10:13
sandy_lockeIs there a page or wiki to see that , faenil .10:13
faenilsandy_locke, but most importantly10:14
sandy_locke?10:14
faenilsandy_locke, yes let me get to that D:10:14
sandy_lockeok ^^10:14
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faenilsandy_locke, most importantly you should read all posts in Glacier's blog10:15
faenilsandy_locke, so, starting from here http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=34410:15
faenilread and hit "Next" at the beginning of the article, until you reach the most up to date post :P10:15
faenilit's about 20 posts or so :) should be able to read everything in 1 hour or so I'd say10:16
faenilor less10:16
sandy_lockeok, nice :)10:17
sandy_lockesome good readings on the whole nemo mobile project, faenil ?10:18
faenilsandy_locke, there's not much on the wiki, but here you go https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo10:19
sandy_lockethanks, it seems good enough10:21
sandy_lockedoes it install on top of harmattan or can I put it in place of a (not installed) android partition (using backup menu) ?10:22
sandy_lockealso maybe a way to reach qwazix easily ?10:23
sandy_lockefaenil ^10:23
faenilsandy_locke, qwazix will be here sooner or later today (I guess), you can try pinging him on twitter10:24
faenilsandy_locke, about Nemo, you can either replace harmattan, or install it as dual-boot or triple-boot (if you want nitdroid as well)10:25
faenilyou can find installation tutorials on the wiki10:25
sandy_lockefaenil, well I use backup menu so there's a free room fro android usualy. I'll put nemomobile in there if it's possible10:26
sandy_lockeqwazix twitter is @qwazix ?10:27
faenilsandy_locke, what's backup menu?10:27
faenilyes https://twitter.com/qwazix10:28
sandy_lockeopen mode hack to multi boot while having a backup "os" on separate partition10:28
faenildon't know how often he checks twitter ;)10:28
faenilsandy_locke, ah ok, I had never heard about BackupMenu :)10:29
sandy_lockeI'll check his twitter account to see his recent twits, should give a hint :)10:29
faenilsandy_locke, I use ubiboot ;)10:29
sandy_lockeubiboot is for n900 or n9 , or both ?10:29
faeniln9 at least, not sure if there's an n900 version10:31
faenilwhich device do you have?10:32
sandy_locken910:32
faenilok10:32
sandy_lockeok, didn't know about ubiboot10:33
sandy_lockeqwazix seems to prefer emails10:33
faenilsandy_locke, the readme of ubiboot is a bit messy, but it's just overcomplicated, it's not actually difficult to set it up10:33
sandy_lockeby the look of his homepage10:33
sandy_lockeno twitter feed since 4 days10:33
faenilsandy_locke, anyway, this is the repository for the graphics components of Glacier10:33
faenilsandy_locke, it could just be that he doesn't post/RT10:34
faenilsandy_locke, https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec#10:34
faenil^ that is the repository for the components specs10:34
sandy_lockeok; but I'll stick with BackupMenu right now, since it would mean a whole new clean install of everything ;)10:35
faenilsandy_locke, no problem ;) if you can get Nemo to boot :)10:37
sandy_lockeok10:37
sandy_lockeyes, otherwise I'll begin with a virtual machine10:37
sandy_lockebut eventually it will be on my device ;)10:38
sandy_lockeSo I'll clone the repo and get familiar with Glacier and Nemo M.10:38
sandy_lockeI'll email qwazix soon to get in touch10:39
faenilsandy_locke, yeah VM will do for graphics work ;) and it's probably faster/better actually10:40
sandy_lockeHope I'll be of any help, they seem to do a great job just the two of them10:40
faenilsandy_locke, yeah they're all great, the problem is they have their job/university (I study at univerisity) so they don't have much time for it10:41
sandy_lockeyeah ok, I have some time even with my job, so ...10:42
faenilsandy_locke, awesome :)10:54
zbenjaminfaenil: always those jobs --- keep you from doing the real important stuff... like nemo11:11
faenilzbenjamin, yeah, well said11:11
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locusfhttps://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/77fc5101977c825d3f3b056f2110e6a94679fcc1 <- some progress towards shader implemented slider11:51
sledgesso you're not the science dog anymore locusf ? :)11:57
sledgesscrnshot? ;)11:58
locusfnah it looks terrible :p11:59
sledges:D11:59
locusfbut ok sure, as a development snapshot11:59
sledgesalready seen the matrix shader :))11:59
sledges*matricy green12:00
locusfhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/286182/slider-shader.png12:00
sledgesehehey12:01
sledgesso does it use the image?12:01
sledgesor draws all on its own12:01
sledgesinstead of transforming the image12:01
locusfit uses the image yes12:02
locusfand draws as is now12:02
sledgesright12:02
locusfbut doesn't really do so12:02
sledges1:1 bitblt12:02
locusfas can be seen12:02
sledges:)12:02
sledgesyes12:02
sledgesis taller stretched12:02
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m4r0v3ris anybody around?13:53
alteregoI think I've actually managed to pursuade my girlfriend to not get another iPhone.13:53
alteregoI consider this a big win.13:53
m4r0v3ranybody at all on building an image of nemo mobile?13:55
alteregoWhat seems to be your problem?13:55
m4r0v3rthe repos already inserted are down, is there an alternate set?13:55
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alteregoCan you use pastie.org to paste your kickstart?14:01
alterego.ks file that is.14:02
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m4r0v3rsure14:11
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alteregoHah14:13
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m4r0v3rrepo --name=mer-core --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/@MER_RELEASE@/builds/armv7hl/packages  --debuginfo repo --name=nemo-ux --baseurl=http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/@FLAVOUR@:/ux/@NEMO_RELEASE@_armv7hl/  repo --name=nemo-adaptation-tegra3-nexus7 --baseurl=http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/@FLAVOUR@:/hw:/nv:/tegra3:/nexus7/latest_armv7hl/  repo --name=nemo-apps --baseurl=http://repo.merproject.org/obs/14:16
m4r0v3rthese are the repos its using14:17
m4r0v3rat the moment I need to edit it to stock14:17
alteregoOkay, what mic command are you running?14:18
m4r0v3rto just use vanilla nemo mobile, no adaption14:18
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alteregoHave you added the correct token map?14:18
m4r0v3rtoken map?14:18
m4r0v3ram guessing that fills in the attributes?14:18
alteregoYes14:18
m4r0v3rnope how would I create one of those?14:19
alteregoYou need to add something like this:  --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel14:19
alteregoTo your mic command line14:19
m4r0v3rcan this not be included in the file?14:19
alteregoPossibly, but I don't know how14:21
alteregolbt: ^14:21
m4r0v3ralso if i want to edit the format the file is outputted in, is it mic cr "edit here?"14:22
alteregom4r0v3r: I'd just use that parameter for now to get the ball rolling, you can always wrap your mic command in a script or alias or something.14:22
alteregoI usually edit the .ks file directly.14:22
alteregocr, create is meant for making your image.14:23
m4r0v3rhow would the token map option fit in? its not liking it14:23
m4r0v3ram tempted to just edit the ks file tbh14:23
alteregoCan you paste your mic command14:24
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m4r0v3rmic cr raw nemo-armv7hl-pandaboard-rnd.ks --arch=armv7hl --pkgmgr=zypp --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel14:24
alteregoActually you can add that to the -*-mic2-options-*- magic header and use: mic create auto your.ks -o ./output/path14:26
m4r0v3rah cheers14:30
m4r0v3rive gone with the quick and hacky place them into the actual file for now,14:30
m4r0v3rat the moment I just need a loop image14:30
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m4r0v3rthere was the guy to ask as well since am attempting to port an image to nexus 4 lol14:32
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faenilo/15:53
alteregoAloha15:58
faenilalterego, hey how you doing16:03
alteregoNot bad, hacking as usual, getting to the point where I'm thinking pub is a good idea :) How're you doing?16:04
faenilI guess I'll start hacking now :) doing good, got to start studying and stop hacking for more than 1 month, but that's hard to do as you might imagine...16:05
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faenilthough I'm running out of time :(16:05
locusfsame here :/16:06
faenillocusf, :/16:06
Stskeepshacking in all your waking hours as part of work isn't too glorious either16:07
Stskeeps:P16:07
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alteregoYes, you don't want to burn out. :)16:07
faenilStskeeps, :D16:08
faenilnow, seriously, time to start the Header :)16:09
sandy_lockebtw faenil, thanks :)16:11
sandy_lockehad to go quickly earlier16:12
faenilsandy_locke, no problem :) ask away whenever needed ;)16:12
sandy_lockethank you :)16:12
qwazixsandy_locke, hi!16:20
qwazixsaw your email16:20
faenilgreat, here comes qwazix :)16:20
qwazix(btw I do check out twitter rather frequently, but I don't post much)16:20
qwazixhi faenil!16:21
faenilqwazix, o/16:21
sandy_lockehi qwazix16:26
qwazixsandy_locke, welcome on board!16:26
sandy_lockesent you an email just 30 min ago16:26
sandy_lockethanks16:26
sandy_lockehappy to help :)16:26
qwazixYeah, I saw it. Do you prefer I reply to that or can we chat here?16:27
faenilchat here, so that next contributors can read it :D16:27
sandy_lockewe can chat here16:27
qwazixyeah I prefer that too16:27
sandy_lockeemails are slow ;)16:27
sandy_lockeso I looked into the repo and the svg's16:28
faenilqwazix, what's the 40u here? https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/header/header.png16:28
faenilbutton row can be 50u already16:28
sandy_lockeit's already a nice work16:28
qwazixfaenil, that's probably a bug, leftover from another spec page16:28
qwazixplease ignore it and I'll remove it16:29
faenilqwazix, ah, ok, so I'd need info on spacing16:29
faenilalso, 240u width? half screen?16:29
qwazixoops, yeah, that's wrong too. It's 480u16:29
qwazixthanks for spotting. Use spacing info from Morpog's listView16:30
faenilqwazix, maybe you want "screensize.width" there16:30
qwazixhttps://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/listview/listview-medium.png16:30
qwazixfaenil, or anchoring left and right to the page16:31
qwazixfaenil, also, we might want to have a smaller height when in landscape like harmattan does,16:32
faenilqwazix, also, I think we need some constants like "smallText, smallIcon" stuff like that16:32
qwazixsandy_locke, there are a couple of things in the pipeline16:32
sandy_lockeok, tell me16:33
qwazixfaenil, true, I'll put it to the top of my list16:33
faenilthank you16:33
qwazixsandy_locke, one thing is to list all needed components. We have started speccing the most obvious ones, but there isn't a full list yet16:34
qwazixanother one is that we need a boatload of icons. Default application icons are already done by me, but we need everything else used in the OS.16:35
qwazixLike signal icon, battery icon, settings applets icons (some of them are already done by hurrian but need polish), system wide app icons (save, share, bluetooth, music, nfc, etc etc)16:36
sandy_lockeqwazix, ok, for the components I assume we can get a list from the devs ?16:36
qwazixsandy_locke, it's not that simple :P16:36
sandy_lockeDo you have a graphic chart for the icons, qwazix ?16:36
sandy_lockearf, why not ?16:37
qwazixQt quick controls have a lot of controls inherited from the desktop which we don't want or need, or even because we _want_ to avoid them.16:37
faeniland they miss other controls which we need :)16:38
qwazixso deciding which controls we will use happens by browsing through popular apps on various platforms, seeing which controls are useful and look good, and if they are not redundant we use them16:38
sandy_lockeok I see16:38
sandy_lockeok16:38
sandy_lockeso you have a list of what has already be checked ? Or do I use the list of controls from the repo ?16:39
qwazixsandy_locke, example: for a control that has two states there is the checkbox, the switch, a toggle button and icons that change color16:39
qwazixwe don't want to give app developers so much choice as we will cause inconsistent apps. We decided to go with switch for toggles and checkbox for lists and that's all16:40
qwazixsandy_locke, the only controls that we are sure about exist as folders in the repo16:40
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sandy_lockeok16:40
qwazixfor the list of icons, a nice source is the meego theme in the N916:41
qwazix/usr/share/themes/meegotouch/*/icons16:41
qwazixwe need almost all those icons16:41
qwazixcreating a list of needed icons is also up for grabs16:42
sandy_lockeok, can do :)16:42
qwazixa third thing that is to be done is speccing more components in the same style as the current specs16:43
qwazixalways remember that we all contribute here for fun, so feel free to choose whatever job you feel more like doing16:43
qwazixI just outlined roughly what's now on the table, but if you think of something that will eventually have to be done, and want to do it, by all means.16:45
sandy_lockeok, I'll think about it ^16:46
qwazixwhen we are done speccing all the components next up is creating detailed mockups of each of the core apps16:46
sandy_lockeI like components and icons alike16:46
sandy_lockeok16:46
sandy_lockethe latest sources of nemo mobile include all the latest gfx work ?16:47
qwazixfaenil, do you know if anybody has started working on the listView?16:48
sandy_lockeit would be good to install it in vm and see from it16:48
faenilqwazix, not that I know16:48
qwazixsandy_locke, up to now there is an implementation of the button, the virtual keyboard and the (incomplete) slider16:48
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faeniland text field16:49
qwazixah yeah, that too16:49
qwazixfaenil, I might add a feature to the listView, still thinking about it.16:49
sandy_lockeok16:49
faeniloki16:49
sandy_lockethx16:49
qwazixAn easy way to select multiple items by swiping.16:50
sandy_lockeYou have a psd for the icons ? like a template16:50
qwazixsandy_locke, all artwork is done in inkscape in vector format16:50
sandy_lockeok16:50
sandy_lockethere's a repo for the icons ?16:50
qwazixso that we can scale up with dpi, but the software used isn't a hard requirement16:51
qwazixyeah, let me find it16:51
sandy_lockeqwazix, I'll use sketch on mac for svg, is that ok ?16:51
sandy_lockeok16:51
qwazixno problem16:52
qwazixinkscape works on mac too (just in case there is something that doesn't look exactly the same) but it's not exactly native there16:52
sandy_lockeqwazix, an idea for the stock icons: don't you think we could use same color/tones ? so that they're easily distinguishable16:53
sandy_lockeyeah, I have inkscape but I'm more familiar with sketch16:53
qwazixsame as what?16:53
sandy_lockethe stock icons16:53
sandy_locketogether, have the same color or tone16:54
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sandy_locke^^16:54
sandy_lockeI mean "dominant color/tone" btw, qwazix16:54
qwazixIcons repo: https://github.com/qwazix/nemoux   and an image http://qwazix.github.io/nemomobile.github.com/#iconography16:55
qwazixsandy_locke, for system icons, yes, for the application icons I think we should stick to colorful ones16:55
sandy_lockeok16:56
qwazixI like this iconset and it got pretty good reception too so I'm not too inclined to change it16:56
qwazixmaybe some tweaks here and there16:57
qwazix(we'll probably rething the documents icon and make it more like the one hurrian did in the glacier mockup)16:57
qwazix*rethink16:57
sandy_lockeyeah, document in glacier mockup is more relevant I think16:59
sandy_lockethe todo icon is a bit simplistic16:59
sandy_lockeoverall the icons are good :)16:59
faenilrebooting17:00
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qwazixif you have a proposal for the todo icon, I have no problem replacing it, I agree it's nothing special17:00
sandy_lockeI really really like the clock and terminal icons btw ;)17:00
sandy_lockeok qwazix17:00
qwazixthe clock is Hurrian's design17:01
qwazixsandy_locke, also http://qwazix.github.io/nemomobile.github.com/ is something that needs some love, but it's low on the priority list17:01
qwazixas this is meant as a guide for application developers once we reach a stable quality UI17:02
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sandy_lockeok17:03
qwazixI hope I didn't scare you too much :P17:03
sandy_lockebut I assume I should follow the guidelines anyway ?17:03
sandy_lockeno no, it's good :)17:03
qwazixsandy_locke, the guidelines are from before Glacier, when we had the harmattan theme, so some things might not exactly apply17:04
sandy_lockeok17:04
qwazixthe idea right now is that we are a pretty small team that communicate the spirit of the new design mostly here and through the blog, and try to create a common feeling of what we want to have as a final product17:05
qwazixas we create more art this can start to be articulated in english, and have enough examples that convey the look/feel to the outside world so that app developers and new contributors as the community grows can get faster up to speed17:06
qwazixfor now it needs certain amount of time of looking at hurrian's mockups and existing controls and quite some imagination17:07
sandy_lockeok17:08
sandy_lockeso is there some mockups from hurrian that are relevant for the current state of the project ?17:09
sandy_lockebtw, is nemo m. compatible with harmattan apps or sailfish apps (although I doubt the last one), qwazix ?17:10
faenilsandy_locke, we have harmattan UI components17:12
qwazixnemo is compatible with harmattan apps, mostly.17:12
faenilbut it takes at least a repacking17:12
sandy_lockeok17:12
qwazixSome require a recompile, some not.17:12
qwazixsandy_locke, on my N950, I mounted the harmattan partition and was able to run apps already installed in harmattan17:12
faenilsledges, ping17:13
qwazixstock apps mostly don't work, but most 3rd party apps run fine17:13
sandy_lockeok, that's good news :)17:13
sandy_lockeI was thinking, about the icons17:14
sandy_lockedon't you think we should avoid grey, qwazix ?17:15
sandy_lockeI mean, grey as a dominant color, like the maps or search icon ?17:15
qwazixsandy_locke, why?17:16
sandy_lockebecause in my opinion (but everyone is a critic ;) ) it feels like win3.1 or something, a bit old17:17
qwazixhmm, I don't know, I don't particularly like grey, but it just worked there. I mean in what color can you depict a magnifying glass?17:19
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sandy_lockewell, it could be brown for instance, but what I mean is the #dedede like grey that feels without contrast or depth17:20
sandy_locke(brown like wood btw)17:20
sandy_lockebut anyway, it's just an opinion, nothing really of great importance ;)17:21
sandy_lockethe maps icon could have the grey replaced by white, same white as the clock or text editor17:22
qwazixI don't know, we can try, though I'm not sure it will really make the overall look better17:22
qwazixI don't like maps icon too much, maybe we can ditch it and make a new17:22
sandy_lockehard to be really original for map icons, since we're overwhelmed by different designs from all platforms and services17:23
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qwazixsandy_locke, true17:24
sandy_lockeI'm really influenced by what we see around us for this, like rounded pin and the like17:24
qwazixhmm...17:24
qwazixjust a sec17:24
sandy_lockeok17:24
sandy_lockeqwazix, hmm, btw, I need to know what font we use for the ui, because it seems like I don't have it on my mac17:29
faenilsandy_locke, Google OpenSans17:31
sandy_lockeand which vm is best ? parallels or vb ?17:31
sandy_lockeok thx17:31
faenilsandy_locke, for vm I think you have to use vb, as you need to issue a special command to make it boot17:32
sandy_lockeok17:32
faenilsandy_locke, a wrote a tutorial for first time VM users17:33
faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image17:33
faenilit should help you get started17:33
qwazixsandy_locke, http://play.qwazix.com/nemo/iconset.png17:34
sandy_lockenice, that way I see more clearly the final look :)17:35
qwazix see the new maps icon. I like it better than before17:37
faenilbbl17:39
sandy_lockeyes it's better17:39
sandy_lockeI didn't see it ^^17:39
sandy_lockethe hole inside should be a bit smaller, no ?17:40
sandy_lockeotherwise it's a nice red :)17:41
qwazixrefresh your page :)17:42
sandy_lockeyes, better :)17:43
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sandy_lockebtw, qwazix, for hte wayland nemo vm image, I need to do it or can I use the i586 vm image from the first link / nemo m. repo ?17:44
sandy_lockeor did I not understand eveything ?17:44
qwazixsandy_locke, I'm not sure. I shamefully saying that I haven't set it up yet :|17:44
sandy_locke^^17:45
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sandy_lockeah ah, guess I'll have to figure out myself ;)17:45
qwazixI still got the X11 image on N950. I have to take the time and upgrade one of these days though17:45
qwazixI think there is a ready i586 VM image but not sure.17:46
sandy_lockeI'll try the i586 image I found on the nemo m. repo first17:48
sandy_lockeseems less struggles than all the command lines right now ^^17:49
sandy_lockeoh, for the maps icon qwazix, could you try and make it a little smaller (the whole) ? i.e: the size of the irc or settings icons for instance17:50
qwazixsandy_locke, it's exactly the same size, optical illusion?17:51
sandy_lockehmm, maybe it's because it's near the settings icon then, which is a bit smaller17:52
sandy_lockeit's optical illusion for sure for the other icons, you're right17:53
sandy_lockeok, waiting for the iso to dl :)17:55
sandy_lockeso I think I'll start with a list of the harmattan stock icons17:55
sandy_lockethen try to list what components are missing from the components repo17:55
sandy_lockeI like to do things in order :D17:55
sandy_lockethen do components and icons following my moods17:56
qwazixI did it a bit smaller. You should always believe your eyes17:56
sandy_locke^^17:56
qwazix:)17:56
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sandy_lockeqwazix, no I checked with a ruler: the icon is a bit too far on the right :P18:00
sandy_lockecompared to the camera and twitter icons18:00
sandy_lockeyou want to go too fast :P18:00
qwazixalignment is random in that grid, I didn't bother with it as icons will be different images anyway18:02
sandy_lockeok18:03
sandy_lockenemovm.iso : 300mb @ 16kb/s ^^18:03
sandy_lockefound opensans qwazix :)18:04
sandy_lockeyeah, now the ui svg mockups look _really_ nice :D18:05
qwazix:)18:07
qwazixsandy_locke, why open sans -> http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=31818:09
sandy_lockenice speach, qwazix :)18:12
sandy_lockeI like the process of choice you used18:12
sandy_lockeit's a great choice btw18:13
sandy_lockeit's a really good alternative to Pure font18:13
sandy_lockesmooth and nice to the eyes18:13
sandy_lockebtw qwazix, do we have a way to propose changes easily ? like branches in git ?18:15
sandy_lockebut more like a ticket filing system18:15
qwazixsandy_locke, forking git repo and doing pull requests is the way18:17
sandy_lockeok18:17
qwazixbut mostly discussion happens here, not in the pull requests as long as we're still a few people and mostly around18:18
qwazixbut the PR's are a nice way for keeping on top of things18:19
sandy_lockeqwazix , PR ?18:21
sandy_lockeah pull request, sorry18:21
sandy_lockeso I propose changes directly to the master branch ?18:21
sandy_lockeqwazix ?18:23
qwazixsorry was distracted, PR=pull request18:30
qwazixah, yeah you got that18:30
qwazixsandy_locke, for now we only have master as we are under heavy construction anyway18:30
qwazixand since the repo is only graphics and we don't fear failed builds it's ok18:31
sandy_locke^^ok18:31
qwazixthe development repos have branches though, and we're working on the Qt5/wayland branch18:31
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sandy_lockeand what the idea behind mixing rounded ux and square ux ?18:32
sandy_lockethey'll never be together on the same screen ?18:32
qwazixThe general "rule" is that we have non-rounded rectangles and perfect circles18:32
qwazixnothing in between. On the original mockups there were some rounded rectangles but we have eliminated them18:33
sandy_lockein this sh http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SystemUI.png18:33
sandy_lockeyou removed them ?18:33
qwazixboth switch and slider have changed and now they are (almost) flat and without rounded corners18:34
qwazixthey do have circular elements though18:34
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sandy_lockeoh yeah, I see that on the gfx from the repo ^^18:35
sandy_lockecan't find switches yet though18:35
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sandy_lockehmm, so for the progress bar, the percents will appear and then fly away with lower opacity, qwazix ?18:37
qwazixsandy_locke, that's not a progress bar (though it would be similar) but a slider18:38
sandy_lockewhat do you think of this idea then, for a progress bar only ?18:38
qwazixhow do you mean flying away?18:39
sandy_lockelike, the percents fly away with lowering opacity the further the progress bar goes18:39
sandy_lockethey appear like they do with the sliders, and then "fly" above quickly, disappearing little by little18:40
sandy_lockelike, hmm, like in platform games when you earn points while collecting items, the points appear on top of the character and fly away disappearing with opacity changing18:41
qwazixnot bad18:42
sandy_lockeit could make something different from the competition, don't you think ?18:43
qwazixif done right why not.18:46
sandy_lockeyeah, that's what I think too18:47
faenilsandy_locke, downloading image from where?18:47
qwazixwe don't want to overdo it with animations, but if it's subtle enough I'm in18:47
sandy_lockeI could make an animated mockup maybe, to precise my idea18:47
sandy_lockeit would be subtle, in my head it is anyway ;)18:48
sandy_lockefaenil, what are you refering to ?18:48
faenilsandy_locke, you're downloading an i586 img, from where?18:48
sandy_lockefaenil http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/images/nemo-i586-vm/18:49
faenilsandy_locke, that's x1118:49
sandy_lockeah ?18:49
faenilthere are no official wayland images18:49
sandy_lockesh*t^^18:49
faenilsandy_locke, otherwise I would have not forced people to build their own img :P18:49
sandy_locke^^18:49
sandy_lockeright18:50
faenilbut yeah maybe locusf can upload a VM image as well18:50
sandy_lockeI would love to have a vb image ready to go !18:51
sandy_lockeit seems like a lot of time to build the wayland vm and install nemo by the look of the wiki18:52
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faenilsandy_locke, well, if you don't even have Mer SDK setup yes, it takes 1-2h, if you're not confident with it18:54
sandy_lockefaenil, I don't and even though I'm confident, I would like to spend my time to other things ^^18:54
sandy_lockefaenil, on top of that it seems like I would have to launch first a linux vm and then the mer sdk with nemo18:55
sandy_lockeseems like a lot of pain to check things etc...18:55
faenil:)18:56
sandy_lockeyou think someone has a working vm image to install wayland nemo mobile directly in vb, faenil ?18:57
faenillocusf is usually the uplaoder18:58
sandy_lockeok18:59
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sandy_lockewell, I took a closer look and it doesn't seem so much pain after all :)18:59
sandy_lockebut I'll still wait to see if locusf has something up his sleeve for me ;)19:00
sandy_lockeyou know when he is around faenil ?19:00
faenilsandy_locke, when he has times :) all days, anyway19:02
sandy_lockeok thx19:02
sandy_lockeI'll check here later then19:02
faenilbut you know, saturday night :)19:04
sandy_lockeyeah, would love to party tonight too ;)19:05
faenileheh19:06
locusfsandy_locke: https://db.tt/dECLNUB919:14
locusfthere is the wayland x86 virtualbox image19:15
faenilawesome, I'll update wiki ;)19:15
locusfits 2 weeks ols19:16
locusf*old19:16
faenilsandy_locke, anyway, if you want to build packages for the VM you still need Mer SDK, so I don't know how shorter the path will be19:16
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* faenil thinks he'll switch to desktop to develop Glacier components19:23
faenilStskeeps, Qt5.1.1?19:26
Stskeepsmm19:26
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sandy_lockethanks locusf & faenil :)19:58
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DarkSimHello friends!21:53
faenilDarkSim, o/21:53
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