Tuesday, 2013-10-22

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faenilmorning guys :)06:37
faeniloh didn't know nokia world webcast is starting in 20 mins06:39
dm8tbrthey didn't rename it microsoft-phone-world yet?06:42
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juicemeanyone listened to it, anything intresting there...?06:56
juicemefaenil, btw, rewriting the README now :)06:57
faeniljuiceme, :_D06:57
faenildon't know, phablet at least06:57
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juicemeit'll be some sad RT thingy06:58
juicemeanother thing alltogether, MS does provide at least some nice HW... yesterday my wife bought a Microsoft BT keyboard, and it is absoutely delicious. Compact, good typing, metallic looking thingy.07:01
juicemeI always thought they should stick to making HW, like mice&keyboards :)07:02
faenilI've got msft keyboard aswell07:07
juicemethe kbd was something called a wedge or so...07:07
juicemelooks to me like it came from apple really :)07:08
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Morpog_N9sledges, as the default key doesn't get set when it's already set, I guess thats not a problem, as it will get set as soon as as we get rid of base and darko, or?08:41
Morpog_N9what a sentence08:42
jussiMorpog_N9: could you use "set" another time? :P08:42
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Morpog_N9set set set :D08:45
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faenilMorpog_N9, hey08:55
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faenilStskeeps, hey08:57
faenilyou've got to see this http://youtu.be/d64GqOJLaOY08:57
faenilall of it08:58
faenildoesn't feel 47fps to me (or 37, whatever) :P08:58
faenilit's horribly slow08:59
zbenjaminok now is it possible to do direct rendering or not?09:00
zbenjaminhow are the apps rendered atm? isn'T qml always using opengl anyway?09:00
specialit uses opengl to draw into a buffer that lipstick draws on screen09:02
faenil(wayland style)09:02
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Morpog_N9_hey faenil09:03
faenilStskeeps, or special can you make any guess based on the video?09:03
faenilI can see the reply, "I guess you have to use apitrace"09:03
specialit's possible that something in wsegl/qt/?? is wrong and killing performance. that seems pretty bad.09:03
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zbenjaminspecial: maybe copying the buffer to the screen is not fast enough?09:05
specialtoo many pieces to just guess09:09
specialmaybe Stskeeps or w00t would have suggestions on how to track it down09:09
faenilwe were told to use apitrace so far, but maybe the video cleared their mind a bit09:10
Stskeepsfirst off, check with the example qml compositor09:10
faenilStskeeps, running that inside lipstick?09:11
Stskeepsno, as the composito09:11
faenilrunning it on eglfs doesn't make much sense as homescreen is pretty smooth already09:11
faenilthe problem is clients09:11
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faenili.e. eglfs performance is ok, wayland client perf is shhhhhhhh09:12
zbenjaminfaenil: you are completely sure that maybe the clients don't fall back on llvmpipe? I mean yeah lipstick works ... but that doesn't mean the clients do too. Or is llvmpipe just not available on the N9?09:13
specialit's an example *compositor*. it has clients :p09:13
faenilspecial, ok, sorry Stskeeps09:13
faeniland which package is the example qml compositor? (or should I build it myself?)09:14
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faenilok I got it09:16
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faenilooh I love doing this :D09:20
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faenilfile:///usr/lib/qt5/examples/qtwayland/qml-compositor/WindowContainer.qml:55: TypeError: Cannot set property 'clientRenderingEnabled' of undefined09:27
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faenilI tried qmlnotes and minimer09:27
faenilminimer shows file dialog, but then once I select the qml file it goes back to compositor screen09:27
faenilqmlnotes shows nothing at all09:27
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faenilnothing, I select main.qml from qmlscene file dialog, and nothing shows09:29
faenilwith that WindowContainer error09:29
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faenilit seems vgrade had this issue already09:35
faenilvgrade, you there?09:35
faenilStskeeps, 63hz with minimer running09:46
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faenilStskeeps, while fingerterm is just slightly better, still horrible09:50
zbenjaminso its not the qt layer09:51
faenilit's better, but still very, very slow09:52
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faeniluploading video09:56
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faenilStskeeps, zbenjamin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsT4VVE0NYo10:05
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sledgesMorpog_N9_: this base-darko-glacier key set is transitory period. For now just tell everyone to run gconftool manually from nemo user10:20
sledgesonce we have glacier in place, we will make it overwrite the theme regardless (and darko won't overwrite it anymore)10:21
sledgesthe core idea is - to have a default theme in global settings (which will soon become glacier, hell we could set it to be default even now, why not :))10:21
sledgesafterwards we will introduce theme selector10:22
sledgeswhich will change -local- theme key (for nemo user)10:22
sledgesso we can switch between glacier and breeze and (insert your own theme) in the future10:22
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Morpog_N9_sledges, too late I already set the key in spec10:24
sledgesthat's fine what you have in your dev env ;)10:24
sledgesin spec? ;) https://github.com/Morpog/nemo-theme-glacier/blob/master/rpm/nemo-theme-glacier.spec looks unmodified :P10:25
Morpog_N9_look closer ;)10:25
sledgeslooked :D10:25
sledgesdidn't see lol10:26
sledgesso will look into commit history10:26
sledgesnow what does that line do? ;)10:26
sledgesas it's launched as root :P10:27
Morpog_N9_well, it works10:27
sledgesdoes a path exist /root/.gconf/* ?10:28
Morpog_N9_it doesn't set that key there10:28
Morpog_N9_dunno, not at home sledges10:29
sledgesweird, because --direct and --config-source need to be used, i played way too much with that10:29
sledgesi cannot accept that last commit ;)10:29
sledgesthat line undermines all the logic and refactoring in the .spec above, sorry :)10:29
sledgeslet me help you out10:30
sledgesim already patching darko ;)10:30
Morpog_N9_actually I'm sitting in a china restaurant eating noodles10:31
sledgesi thought you're at work :D10:31
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Morpog_N9_thats work :D10:32
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sledgesnice :D10:32
sledgeswill surely pop in when I'm in your area :)10:36
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Morpog_N9_setting they that way, doesn't change the config source10:40
Morpog_N9_it stayed at darko10:40
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sledgeswhich way?10:41
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Morpog_N9_the way you don't like10:52
sledgesmust be the reason i don't like it then :)10:53
Morpog_N9_so it gets set somewhere else10:53
Morpog_N9_but it works for user nemo10:53
sledgesthat's why --direct config-source needs to be used10:56
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sledgesMorpog_N9_: https://github.com/sledges/nemo-theme-glacier/commit/085454e5c77a57a1bef1c648ca4bafbb1954191d11:03
sledgesim on the proper solution for svg bug now, finally found the pest11:09
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kjokiniereview appreciated: https://github.com/nemomobile/ngfd/pull/2611:25
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sledgeskjokinie: nitpick: a typo in a commit msg11:27
* sledges hides11:27
kjokiniesledges: which one?11:27
sledgesPR msg11:28
sledgessoz :))11:28
kjokiniesledges: ugh.. nasty looking, will fix11:28
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faenilStskeeps, further steps for performance analysis?11:58
Stskeepsfaenil: i recommend vodka11:58
Stskeepsfaenil: bit busy atm, sorry11:58
faenilStskeeps, np, martini :P11:59
Stskeepsno, martini is for celebration11:59
Stskeepsvodka is for well, life pain11:59
faenilStskeeps, ah, I see :D11:59
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fk_lxStskeeps: nah, vodka is for party also, not only for pain12:02
faenilgod, I want to play Path of Exile12:04
fk_lxbtw. lemon vodka shot is good during breaks between talks on conferences :-P (tested recently)12:04
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faenilfk_lx, :D12:05
faenilfk_lx, what was the name of the polish shot?12:05
fk_lxyou mean the honey/cola taste one?12:06
faeniloh god12:06
fk_lxhehe, a bit wrong spelling12:06
faenilhow the hell to I pronounce that thing12:06
faenilcan you convert it to english spelling so I can try to remember what it sounds like?12:07
fk_lxStskeeps: nah12:07
faenilohhh I remember now!12:07
faenilyes, I remember the pronounciation :)12:07
fk_lxfaenil: of course you remember, you are also good at things like "stół z powyłamywanymi nogami" :-P12:08
faenilfk_lx, oh, I know that by heart :D12:08
fk_lxfaenil: hehe :-)12:08
sledgesanother ~vowelless word for you: zmrzlina12:09
fk_lxsledges: well in Polish it's zmarzlina12:09
sledgesis in Czech :)12:09
fk_lxsledges: yep in Czech it is like that12:10
sledgespshchoolka sounds like a small bee? ;)12:10
fk_lxsledges: correct :-)12:10
sledgeslol ok12:10
sledgesinteresting shot - does it sting?12:10
fk_lxnot really, it tastes sth between honey and coca-cola12:11
sledgesah honey explains it then :)))12:11
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* faenil gets back to components12:33
faenilqwazix, you there?12:37
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alteregoSooo tired, why was I awake until 5am ... -_-12:46
faenilalterego, because you're a nerd? :D12:47
alteregoStill, 2, maybe 3 is okay, Getting too old for later than that.12:48
alteregoI've been trying to get back to a "normal" sleeping pattern.12:52
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alteregoDating a girl that works until quite late/early probably has it's drawbacks too.12:53
faeniloww :)12:54
jukkaeklundbehind every tired guy there is a girl ;)12:54
faeniljukkaeklund, lol12:55
alteregoHey jukkaeklund how are you doing?12:55
jukkaeklundgood, been looking at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q12:56
zbenjaminfaenil: did you guys find something out about clients being slow?12:56
alteregosfw? ;)12:56
faenilzbenjamin, nope, sailors very busy12:56
jukkaeklundalterego, very12:56
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zbenjaminsomething in my office is making high pitch noises... it drives me crazy and i cannot locate it12:57
alteregoyou ass hole12:58
alteregoI had to type that URL manually on this tablet :p12:58
alteregozbenjamin: are you sure it's not in your mind? Maybe you're picking up alien transmissions through your fillings. :)12:59
faenilIt's time! SDK update time13:00
alteregofaenil: is that a good idea? remembet what happened yesterday? :)13:00
faenilalterego, what idea13:00
alteregonvm, :p13:01
faenilsailfish sdk this time13:01
faenilthough I'm too lazy to update it right now, I'm working on components :D13:01
alteregoI might make a xen container for Mer SDK13:03
zbenjaminalterego: pretty sure ;)13:03
zbenjaminalso i have no metal fillings, i don't have any fillings ;)13:03
alteregoThough, running it "natively" makes it easier to sync everything between, nas, workstation, laptop13:04
zbenjaminfaenil: can we maybe run a gfx benchmark on the device? something like glxgears13:04
alteregozbenjamin: replacement hip? I hear it happens to old people, hearing things, maybe hips are why :)13:04
alteregoGod, my nan is 99 next month.13:05
faenilzbenjamin, which one?13:05
faenilalterego, wow!13:05
zbenjaminold? i'm young ! I'M YOUUUUUNG  ;)   <<<< quote from 2 and a half man13:05
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Morpog_N9sledges did you do a PR?13:06
alteregoYou're young and you're watching that midlife crisis based rubbish? :p13:06
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faenilahh, I love my speakers13:09
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sledgesMorpog_N9: to do PR, i need you to revert your last two commits13:43
sledgeswe will promote your repo to nemomobile-ux, so to keep things clean, please just discard them13:43
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sledgesby doing:13:44
Stskeeps** ANNOUNCEMENT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQZJcEwEow&feature=youtu.be ***13:45
Stskeepsthose of us who can do hybris-based systems will be helping and teaching rest of you guys how to make hybris based systems too, mer/nemo/nemo based13:45
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sledgesthrow n9 away? D:13:46
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faenil:Q___________ SMOOOOTH13:46
faenilthough it took like 6-7 secs to load the mediaplayer13:49
faenilso long thp thought it wasn't doing anything :D13:49
Stskeepsso if your device can run cyanogenmod, it'll likely be able to run nemo13:49
sledgesn4 and gn here and ready for you :D13:50
faenilcrap, I only have closed devices (ex n950) :(13:50
sledgesfaenil: and he pressed more apps, and they all loaded in one burst after13:50
thpfaenil: well, it doesn't use any boosters or anything atm13:50
faenilthp, ah, I see...how comes?13:51
faenilthp, you mean the mediaplayer or your cm image?13:51
sledgesMorpog_N9: https://pastee.org/7s97h13:51
thpwell, the mediaplayer and the other apps13:51
zbenjaminStskeeps: yay great13:52
faenilthp, ok ;) well, other apps should be boosted from what I recall13:52
faenilthp, most apps in nemo use boosters13:53
thpah, ok - haven't checked13:54
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Morpog_N9omg, my nexus 7 is ready for this13:56
zbenjamini also have a nexus S but thats not really faster than my n9 :/13:56
zbenjaminalso until my jolla phone arrives i still use it !13:56
Morpog_N9I need to go home :D13:56
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zbenjaminarrrr that sound!13:57
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zbenjamingngng that Rotation Element makes no sense !14:14
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alteregoOoo, best push my kernels.14:20
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qwazix_faenil_, pong14:22
fk_lxqwazix: he is away14:23
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qwazix_fk_lx, thx14:32
Stskeepsqwazix_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQZJcEwEow&feature=youtu.be14:32
qwazix_yeah, I saw it, didn't watch it yet though, @work atm, thanks14:33
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alteregoooo smo14:36
alteregosmoooth ...14:36
Morpog_PCsledges, should I discard that pushed tags too? (0.0.3 and 0.0.4)14:37
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stephgoooh shiney14:41
sledgesMorpog_PC: yes for clean sake14:42
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Morpog_PCsledges, looks clean now14:46
sledgesMorpog_PC: PR done14:46
stephgoooh shiney14:51
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Morpog_PCsledges, works14:58
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sledges\o/ great14:58
Morpog_PCmaybe we should restart lipstick after?14:58
sledgesMorpog_PC: it's a good idea, but we should think of more implications before proceeding14:58
sledgesMorpog_PC: now you're ready to promote it ;)14:59
sledges(i.e. what if we'll end up with 5-10 packages restarting lipstick after each of their updates ;))14:59
Morpog_PCI guess, as soon as it's in a base image it doesn't care anymore15:00
Morpog_PChmm, I guess I do some icon fixies first15:01
sledgesas you prefer15:01
sledgesit won't land into the image yet15:01
sledgesi'm about to roll out the SVG fix15:01
sledgestesting atm15:01
Morpog_PCconverting text into curves15:01
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Morpog_PCtakes just a ferw minutes15:01
Morpog_PCafter that it's time to change all desktop entries15:02
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locusfooh a new team, thanks sledges15:02
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sledgescheers :)15:13
sledgeswe're all cheering, so many great news today!15:13
alteregonews, what news?15:13
alteregoOh, ARM SDK, that's cool15:15
sledgespls cmnt: https://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/pull/1415:15
sledgesnemo hybris news ;)15:16
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alteregoYes, that is cool too.15:16
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alteregoI've been playing with hybris quite a bit recently :)15:16
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sledgesi heard that, you might be in for the train journey :))15:16
alteregoI'm about to publish my build scripts and custom mer kernels for all cyanogen supported devices.15:17
alteregoNeed to update my libhybris builds to cm branches too.15:17
alteregoAs they seem to be working now :)15:17
sledgesMorpog_PC: when you are ready to promote, tell me; i think the last command i pasted won't work15:18
Morpog_PCjust trying a last time on VM15:19
alteregoI'll do a blog post I think, and copy&paste my adaptation notes into the wiki.15:20
Morpog_PCI'm ready15:20
sledgesbryan adams song erroneously flashed through my memory :))15:21
alteregoTry to have this finished by Thursday.15:21
sledgesMorpog_PC: PNG files don't look different15:22
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Morpog_PCsure, just like to have the up-to-date ones in :)15:22
Morpog_PCeven if they look same15:22
sledgesaha ok :)15:22
faenilsledges, how does inheritance work after your patch?15:22
Morpog_PCremote: Permission to nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier.git denied to Morpog.15:22
Morpog_PCfatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier/':15:22
Morpog_PCThe requested URL returned error: 40315:22
sledgesMorpog_PC: that's what i mean15:23
sledgeslast line won't work ;)15:23
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Morpog_PCwell, I just tried anyways :)15:23
sledgesgood curious ;)15:23
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sledgesok Morpog_PC now delete your repo15:25
sledgesand fork from WebUI: https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier15:25
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Morpog_PCI guess my webhook needs to be recreated then?15:26
sledgesbut just in your webui15:26
Morpog_PCoooh noes :)15:26
Morpog_PCso I added the webhook on github again. Thats it? :)15:30
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sledgesMorpog_PC: one way to find out ;D15:41
Morpog_PCadd a useless tag and let it build?15:41
faenilit won't build if git repo changed15:45
faenilas webhook is tied to git address15:46
faenilMorpog_PC, webhook on your git doesn't need modification15:46
faenilbut we need a new webhook for the repo in nemomobile-ux15:47
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Morpog_PCfaenil, my git is deleted and forked now from nemomobile-ux15:48
faenilyes but which one do you want to build?15:48
faenilI guess official one, not yours15:48
Morpog_PCwell, both would be best, so I could try before doing a PR15:49
sledgesi'll add webhook to official when svg bug is merged15:49
sledgesbugfix :D15:49
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Morpog_PCany reviews, not sure if It gets thru that easily :D https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/pull/10916:43
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locusfMorpog_PC: why not, it makes sense?17:02
Morpog_PCwell, anyone else would (Jolla :D ) needs to adjust too17:03
Morpog_PCshould I start mass doing PR's for desktop files? Or should I wait?17:07
locusfwell it needs to be done anyways17:08
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faenilsledges, Morpog_PC, so, how do we handle icons for one app on sailfish and nemo?17:12
faenilsince it seems we're moving to a different name scheme17:12
faenilwe can't expect people to start using our scheme, can we17:12
Morpog_PCfaenil, we symlinked settings and terminal icon17:13
sledgesand can symlink everything else17:13
Morpog_PCwasn't possible for screenshot tool, as it uses settings icon too17:13
faenilis it worth the effort?17:13
Morpog_PCwell, all the other apps are only used by nemomobile, or?17:14
faenilI don't remember why we're changing name scheme :)17:14
sledgesbecause there was no naming scheme before :D17:14
faenilMorpog_PC, but all apps using old schemes will need symlink17:14
faenilsledges, ah..17:14
faenilwasn't there icon-m/x/l17:14
sledgesyes, and add to that icons-Application and icon-launcher17:15
Morpog_PCfaenil, not if I patch all of them :D17:15
sledgesfurthermore, we won't support m/x/l17:15
faenilMorpog_PC, xD17:15
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sledgesyup, massive change of .desktop files will be next17:18
sledgesbut if there's any sailfish app re-using an old icon name - we can throw in a symlink17:19
Morpog_PCgood plan, so I start with it17:21
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locusfshould we automerge without LGTM's?17:28
locusfand tag17:28
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sledgeslocusf: which project?17:35
locusfsledges: all the .desktop entry fixing projects?17:37
sledgeslocusf: https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmaps/pull/2#issuecomment-2682314717:37
locusfsince its a simple change17:37
locusfsledges: ah ok17:38
sledgesis icon-app-components id good enough for components gallery app?17:38
sledgesMorpog_PC: ^17:38
Morpog_PCwhat do you refer as good enough?17:39
sledgesdescriptive enough17:40
Morpog_PCwell, I cannot think of another use for components, can you?17:40
Morpog_PCgallery or music is also very simple17:41
sledgesyeap that's a good point17:41
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sledgeseveryone will get the message :)17:41
sledges(who needs to get it ;))17:41
sledgesbecause icon-app-components-gallery is too cumbersome either17:41
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Morpog_PCOK, done with it :D18:00
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sledgesthat's about the good effort :D18:08
sledgesthanks Morpog_PC !18:08
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Morpog_MobileAnd it made me hungry :D18:42
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vgradefaenil: just seen your ping sorry been at dayjob, still a problem?19:02
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sledgesmmmm sweet&sour crispy pork :)~ Morpog_Mobile19:31
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sledgeswith pineapples ofx19:38
Morpog_MobileSounds lovely19:38
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Morpog_PCbusy busy sledges21:06
sledges:D raging (i used to like to say that to Sage - on a rage)21:06
sledgeson a rampage more likely21:06
sledgesgood you're keeping an eye on me so21:06
Morpog_PChehe, well, mer-boss is ;)21:06
sledgesthat's the one ;)21:07
faenilthe big brother is watching21:13
Morpog_PCoops, lol21:13
sledgeswe know what you did last summer Morpog_PC21:14
sledges(last nemo session that is)21:14
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sledges\o/ qmlmaps icon has now been glacierised :)21:29
sledgeslet's fire off the rest ;)21:29
faenilkeep your eyes open, fixing last mini bug here :P21:30
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sledgesMorpog_: where did you take the icon-app-conversation from? just curious, why not -sms or -messages21:45
sledgesin harmattan all messages/chats were merged into one app21:45
sledgesi guess if we will want to differentiate between those or not21:45
Morpog_well, all types of messages and sms, mms, etc are a part of a conversation with someone, aren't they?21:45
sledgeswill we want other icons later on?21:46
Morpog_well, if we seperate them, why not21:46
sledgesor just keep it simple and generalised21:46
sledgesfor now21:46
Morpog_we can add more later easily21:47
Morpog_now that everything is nice setup :)21:47
sledgesok, all done (whew)  ',:)21:48
Morpog_nope, not all21:48
sledgestime to snack some21:48
sledgeswhat did i miss ;)21:48
Morpog_cutefox, qt-components, qmlcalendar, qmlcalc, lipstick21:49
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sledgeslipstick is more peoples' jurisdiction ;)21:51
sledgessame about qt-components21:51
Morpog_I guessed so :)21:52
sledgesboth icons (components gallery and screenshot tool) are non-mainstream apps21:52
sledgesso no biggie, but hope will get around soon21:52
Morpog_hmm, some stuff seems to fail21:52
sledgescutefox is not part of patterns yet21:52
sledgesyup, let's see21:52
sledgesqmlcalc now succeeded21:54
Morpog_what was wrong?21:55
sledgesbut qmlmessage was broken by special (dart) ;) https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmessages/pull/821:57
sledgesthis PR wasn't tagged, and my tag of today opened that can :)21:57
sledgeswill check it tomorrow21:58
sledgesoff to cook some pasta21:58
Morpog_have fun!21:59
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Morpog_and good job, seems to have worked perfectly :)22:06
sledgespin query updated on your part?22:06
Morpog_yep, after reboot22:07
Morpog_needed for music too22:07
Morpog_and notes22:07
Morpog_was too lazy to find out how to restart lipstick :)22:07
sledgeswill try to kill lipstick furst22:07
Morpog_do you have access to IRC in your kitchen? :)22:08
sledgesyes :D22:09
EztranPort Mer to your fridge & use that? ;)22:09
sledgesEztran: was about to say that22:09
sledgesmy old pandaboard PoC was intended for that22:10
EztranPsychic line-stealing is my specialty.22:10
sledgeswell maybe youre after similar things ;)22:10
Morpog_port mer to this with libhybris :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSMerma7nBY22:10
faenilqmlmessages qmlcalc failed to build?22:12
sledgesfaenil: backlog ;)22:13
faenilpff D:22:14
Morpog_so sledges, did lipstick restart work for you to fix icon appearance?22:16
sledgesjust did that22:16
sledgeslooks nice, well done team!22:16
sledgesfunn that icons now show if pr acceptesld or some other probs of old/no icon :D22:17
Morpog_yeah, visual automated tests :)22:18
Morpog_off to tablet :)22:19
sledgeslets create some computer vision test system for that22:19
sledgesfun fact i had to do one once..22:19
sledgesMorpog_Tablet? :D22:19
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Morpog_MobileNope, mobile22:24
Morpog_MobileBad choice of name, as my n9 is even more mobile22:24
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* sledges just figured out that chopping frankfurters in thicker slices makes them roll down into the pot like wheels, in an organised manner :)22:30
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faenilcya tomorrow :)23:03
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sledgesnite fellows23:14
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