Friday, 2013-10-25

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vgrade:)01:33
alteregoHey vgrade01:35
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niqtmorning06:54
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning niqt07:02
Sfiet_Konstantinhow are you ?07:02
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: morning :)07:03
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Sfiet_KonstantinJoe_W: morning07:03
fk_lxmorning07:04
Sfiet_Konstantinhi fk_lx !07:05
Joe_WHi guys07:06
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fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: hi07:08
fk_lxJoe_W: hi07:08
niqtSfiet_Konstantin i'm fine, but busy it's been months and I still can not complete the new packagemanager07:08
Sfiet_Konstantinniqt: oooh :(07:09
Sfiet_Konstantinactually me too, but right now exams finished: so back to nemo07:09
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: I have seen veskuh's vid on smartdevcon07:09
Sfiet_Konstantinvery nice :)07:09
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locusfmorning07:14
locusfSfiet_Konstantin: I revamped trumpet again07:15
* Sfiet_Konstantin will investigate QtQuick.Controls in 5.2 capabilities and posibility of backporting to Qt 5.107:15
locusfhttps://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/b72b851c1471a08b4703898b28a5fbabd1dd1d9507:16
Sfiet_Konstantincanevas ? brillant07:17
Sfiet_Konstantinwill try it afterwards07:17
locusfok07:17
locusfno transition code yet (animation)07:17
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Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: not an issue07:21
locusfthe idea came from faenil07:21
Sfiet_KonstantinI think it is "easy" to fix with some animations07:22
Hurrianoh, hey, look, Sailfish SDK now has an ARM target07:22
locusfso thanks to him it has proceeded07:22
Sfiet_KonstantinHurrian: means nothing07:22
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause no ARM emulator07:22
locusfand no deploy to device07:22
Sfiet_KonstantinBUT, we might have to investigate what kind of packages we have in the target07:22
Sfiet_Konstantinvolunteers ?07:22
Sfiet_Konstantin"enum Qt::ScrollPhase: This enum was introduced or modified in QtCore 5.2."07:23
Sfiet_Konstantin:(07:23
HurrianSfiet_Konstantin: just saw the XDA video, currently trying to transplant the Sailfish Lipstick into Nemo.07:23
Sfiet_KonstantinHurrian: right now ?07:23
Sfiet_Konstantin:O07:23
locusfwow ok :)07:23
locusfso community port then07:24
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: of a SDK ? :/07:24
Hurrianactually, it might come to the point where I'd just throw the HW adaptation bits into the target, and attempt to boot it.07:24
locusfno, sailfish on n907:24
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locusfI didn't realize we had everything we needed07:25
Hurrianoh, yeah - Nemo UX gets updated to use Wayland if I do a zypper dup right now, right?07:26
Hurrianor is Wayland still problematic on N9/50?07:26
Sfiet_KonstantinHurrian: no IIRC07:26
Sfiet_KonstantinHurrian: IMO, the best is to install HW adaptation stuff, and try to install directly Sailfish packages07:27
locusfdamnit I have an exam today, would have loved to try this out07:27
Hurrianwell, let's see how far I get - first Sailfish Lipstick + Nemo, then Sailfish + N9/50 kernel, then Mer Core N9/50 + Sailfish bits.07:27
Hurriani've got about a week and change free left, so let's do this.07:28
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: nono07:30
Sfiet_Konstantinexam first07:30
Sfiet_KonstantinHurrian: have fun07:30
locusfyeah :/07:30
Sfiet_Konstantinand keep us updatred07:30
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faenilmorning guys o/08:00
vgrademorn08:03
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faenilvgrade, o/ how you doing :)08:04
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, so, exam gone? great! :)08:04
faenillocusf, good luck with yours!08:04
vgradefaenil: good thanks08:06
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: finally08:08
Sfiet_Konstantinright now installing a ubuntu on a uefi computer08:08
Sfiet_Konstantinsuch a pita08:08
Sfiet_Konstantin:/08:08
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, just in time to review my latest PR! ahaha08:09
Sfiet_Konstantinhi vgrade !08:09
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: :D08:09
vgradeSfiet_Konstantin:  \o08:09
faenilvgrade, good to hear :)08:09
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: give them08:09
faenilhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/pull/908:10
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: so +700 - 500 :O08:16
Sfiet_Konstantin32 files changed :O08:16
faenil:D08:16
faeniltheme files, autogenerated stuff, there's a lot of things that don't need reviewing08:17
Sfiet_Konstantinah yeah true08:17
Sfiet_Konstantinthere are stuff in autogenerated08:17
faenilI advice reviewing Page.qml and changes to AppWindow.qml08:17
faenilthat's what matters08:17
Sfiet_Konstantinok08:17
Sfiet_Konstantinone sec08:17
faenilI advice doing first and second commit separated08:18
faenilbecause second one is just about updating touch gallery, it goes fast08:18
Sfiet_Konstantinok08:18
Sfiet_KonstantinI should clone it and compile it ?08:18
faenilthat's your choice08:19
faenilreviewing code is something already :)08:20
zbenjaminhey guye08:27
zbenjaminguys08:27
Sfiet_Konstantinhey zbenjamin08:30
locusffaenil: thanks08:30
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: can I review the code a bit afterwards ?08:30
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm a bit tired, and am trying to install an ubuntu on a uefi device08:31
Sfiet_Konstantinit is horrible :O08:31
faenilahaha08:31
faenilzbenjamin, o/08:31
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zbenjaminfaenil: hm?10:04
faenilzbenjamin, hm ?10:05
zbenjamin[25.10.2013][10:31:25] <faenil> zbenjamin, o/10:05
faenilyeah, when you joined10:05
zbenjaminah ;)10:05
faenilzbenjamin, I'm looking for someone to review https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/pull/910:16
zbenjamini can have a look, but i'm not that fluent in qml10:17
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zbenjaminfaenil: btw how is rotation support going?10:19
zbenjamin;)10:19
faenilit's there already10:19
zbenjaminnice!10:21
faenil;)10:23
zbenjaminfaenil: you are setting no style here: https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/pull/9/files#diff-9b5891854204e8a4978c0c52452fa07eR8410:26
zbenjaminis that what you want?10:26
zbenjaminalso line 7710:26
zbenjaminhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRrgWOCEDsI <<< nice to hear while programming10:28
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faenilzbenjamin, yes, style is set by default10:31
faenilthe one which have style set are the ones showing "android" style, which come from the official gallery10:31
zbenjaminah ok10:31
faenilI left in each page also one component with the style which came with the official gallery10:31
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zbenjaminfaenil: added some comments10:47
zbenjaminbut not much10:47
faenilyes thanks, replying ;)10:47
zbenjaminfaenil: i meant for the initial value QScreen.PrimaryOrientation if page is null10:51
zbenjaminbut right the allowed orientations ...10:51
zbenjaminand qApp already might have another orientation set10:51
zbenjaminerr appWindow10:51
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HurrianAnyone want to try running Nemofish?11:32
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Stskeepsif you guys are going to make videos of that, please put www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQZJcEwEow , http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/endurance/graphs/1501_sched_iowait_1.png11:34
Stskeepserr...11:34
Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYZedD11GtE along side, so it's clear that the lagginess is n9 driver issues, not that of the system11:35
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fk_lxHurrian: what is Nemofish?11:36
Hurrianfk_lx: Sailfish Lipstick on top of Nemo.11:36
jussihrm, sailfish lipstick.... is that tested on animals? :P11:37
EztranOnly fish, surely?11:37
dm8tbr100% made out of recycled and bio degradeable electrons!11:38
EztranWow, green credentials right there.11:38
Hurrianhttp://goput.it/v/o75.jpg11:38
Hurrianetc/ssu.ini will need to be updated to that, new file ssu_jolla_release.repo in /etc/zypp/repos.d needs to be made11:39
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Hurrianthen "zypper in lipstick-jolla-home-qt5".11:39
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Hurrianit should be missing a lot of the stock apps, you might find them poking around the jolla repo.11:41
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Stskeepswell, that's just the sdk repo11:42
faenilyou think you'll find stock apps in sdk repo? :D11:42
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zbenjaminNemofish???11:43
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StskeepsHurrian: this is just releases.sailfishos.org it fetches from, i presume11:45
zbenjaminStskeeps: so you think implementing that direct rendering idea won't change much?11:46
Hurrianyep, downloads from there.11:46
StskeepsHurrian: yep, no problem :)11:46
Stskeepsjust got a mild heartattack from the urls listed ;)11:47
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HurrianStskeeps: confirmed - adding the repos and running zypper, my router logs the download from RSO ;)11:49
Hurrianoh, yeah, for everyone else working on this - it needs Wayland to run, right?11:50
faenilyup11:50
Hurrianwelp, time to update my Nemo image11:50
Stskeepsyes, wayland only11:51
faenilHurrian, be ready to be shocked by the performance11:51
zbenjaminfaenil: lol11:51
Stskeepszbenjamin: i'm not sure direct rendering would practically work with wayland as it's more like server side buffers11:51
faenilzbenjamin, I was too sad when I ran wayland, I'm trying to prevent that from happening in other people :D11:52
faenilto*11:52
Hurrianlast Nemo image available's from... June :/ lots of packages to catch up to!11:52
Hurrian(unless you guys stashed the nightly builds somewhere else?)11:52
zbenjaminStskeeps: then there is only the android driver left11:52
faenilHurrian, nope, latest img is from last week11:53
faenilHurrian, upgrading from x11 is not teste11:53
faeniltested11:53
Hurrianfaenil: link? can't find them on releases.nemomobile11:53
zbenjaminStskeeps: you got some time in the future to help me put that driver to work?11:53
faenilbecause they're not there :)11:53
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Stskeepszbenjamin: i can't promise that :/11:54
Stskeepser, you mean the ti sgx11:54
Stskeepson android11:54
Stskeepsyes, possibly11:54
Stskeepsthere'll be instructions coming11:54
zbenjamini meant making the android driver work on the n9 ...11:54
Hurrianfaenil: where do I get the newest .tar.bz2's"11:54
zbenjaminremember we talked about it that it might be faster11:55
faenilzbenjamin, Stskeeps why should android drivers be optimized for wayland?11:55
Stskeepsfaenil: well, because android gfx is much closer to wayland than to x1111:55
Stskeeps:P11:55
zbenjaminhmmm, right it might suffer the same problem11:55
zbenjaminha! ;)11:55
faenilStskeeps, ok ;)11:56
faenillet's look for the latest omap3 android driver then :)11:56
zbenjaminlets make that phone fast again ;)11:57
Stskeepsone more video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FJkawb4xhA&feature=youtu.be11:58
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locusfnice12:09
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locusfHurrian: https://db.tt/p0WfFPaK for latest nemo image12:15
Hurrianlocusf: and downloading. thanks!12:15
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Morpog_MobileOmg that sony12:24
Stskeepslooks good?12:24
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Morpog_Mobilehttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYZedD11GtE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvYZedD11GtE12:26
Morpog_MobileLooks smooth12:26
Stskeepsof course, libhybris, wayland and sailfish12:27
Stskeepsnaturally it's smooth12:27
Stskeeps:P12:27
vgrade:)12:27
fk_lx:-)12:27
Morpog_Mobile:)12:27
w00tStskeeps: you're neglecting to mention how much blood/sweat/tears went into it :-)12:31
Stskeepsyes, there's a lot of w00t's blood on it12:31
fk_lxhehe12:31
fk_lxplease take kids out of this channel - images not suitable for them ;-)12:31
dm8tbrlipstic gore?12:33
fk_lxwhere is the reaper?12:34
locusfproblems: http://pastie.org/842960812:35
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Hurrianlocusf: hmm, need to add Jolla's certificate to the local store?12:41
locusfHurrian: tried that too12:41
locusfHurrian: /etc/ssl/cert/ ones12:42
locusfthere are a couple of them12:42
Hurriansure OpenSSL libs load them?12:42
HurrianJolla seems to make its own cert.12:42
locusfyeah12:42
locusfbut note sure if they are loaded12:42
locusfhow can I make sure?12:42
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locusfhmm I copied entire /etc/ssl/certs from sailfish emulator to N912:47
locusfworked ok but now it asks for username + password :p12:47
Hurrianlocusf: fwiw, this is jolla's self-issued SSL pub: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7X0HkW7U12:48
locusfHurrian: yes12:51
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Hurrianlocusf: ouch; hmm - try running 'while true; do cp *.rpm /; done' while installing lipstick inside the SDK13:00
Hurriandig around in var/cache for the zypp directory, run the command in the 'jolla' subdirectory13:01
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faenilI'd say the phone in the video is a Sony Xperia L13:09
faenilwhich has almost same hw as The Jolla13:09
faenilvgrade, can you confirm it's an Xperia L? (asking you since you posted on twitter)13:15
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vgradefaenil: not mine I'm afraid, I'm working cubieboard2 but posted that as its related13:17
faeniloki soz :)13:17
fk_lxfaenil: it was some other guy, also I think he has posted that on XDA13:18
faenilah ok13:18
faenilholy crap I forgot there was a sailfish subforum on xda!13:19
fk_lx:-)13:19
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* dm8tbr doesn't go anywhere near XDA.13:22
dm8tbryou don't just walk into XDA13:23
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locusfHurrian: good idea, will try13:27
faenildm8tbr, what's wrong with xda?13:28
dm8tbra) it's a forum13:28
dm8tbrand if that isn't enough: it's traditionally infested with people who think that binary patching things without explanation is a great thing13:29
Hurrianin a few days we'll have [ROM][LINARO][PARANOID][REMIX][KANG][UNOFFICIAL] SailfishROM for Android [CUSTOM][CWM][GCC4.8][SEEDER][SUPERCHARGED]!13:29
dm8tbrand if that's not enough: sources? for binaries that someone compiled with some magic incantation?13:29
HurrianXDA is an 'okay13:30
Hurrian'okay' developer hub for phones that due to their rapid release cycle don't get huge communities like the N7/8/109/00/50, but what craps it up is crappy rehash ROMs.13:31
Hurrianit got so bad that they split the subforums into "Android Development" and "Original Android Development"13:31
locusfhmm the packages are gone from the cache as soon as they are installed Hurrian13:33
Hurrianlocusf: that's why you run the loop, to collect the RPMs as they appear13:34
Stskeepszypper has a --download-only too fwiw..13:34
locusfHurrian: there are too many subdirs13:34
Stskeepsi think13:34
HurrianStskeeps: couldn't find mer-sdk-chroot in the SDK, so hacked up a kludge :P13:35
Hurrianlocusf: cp ./*/*.rpm if you don't wanna pick just one subdir13:36
locusfHurrian: ok13:36
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locusfhmm now I need to refresh my cache13:38
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locusfHurrian: it didn't copy anything ..13:41
locusfStskeeps: no --dry-run in sdk zypper :/13:41
Hurrianlocusf: I'll probably look at it again tomorrow13:42
locusfHurrian: okay13:42
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faenilhttps://twitter.com/javispedro/status/39373277409327923213:45
faenilanyone mind explaining background?13:46
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Hurrianfaenil: they're used to the development model that went on for the Nx/xx series phones/tablets/NITs13:47
faenilI was on symbian at the times of Maemo..13:47
Hurrianpublic betas would occasionally go out, but the final product was very much a surprise.13:48
faeniland what's wrong with that?13:48
Hurrianfor example, The Jolla guts are a surprise.13:48
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Stskeepsfwiw sometimes 'not completely settled yet' is mistaken for 'big reveal'13:49
Hurrianwell, there's that.13:49
faenilyeah13:50
fk_lxit's hard to announce sth if you don't have decided how it will look in the end13:50
fk_lxand there is nothing worse then announcing one thing and releasing another thing13:51
faenilyeahhh13:51
Stskeepsthat said, big reveals always suck, but at same time, bad reveals suck too..13:51
HurrianStskeeps: heh, anyone around here remember the N9/50 reveal?13:52
Stskeepsit's complex13:54
StskeepsHurrian: yeah.. and interesting thing is that harmattan was launched way earlier13:55
Stskeepsin terms of basic ideas13:55
Stskeepsof course life was nothing like that..13:55
Hurrianas for javispedro's complaints, i'm pretty sure jolla can't just out their state tracker to the general public, so what gets pushed into mer and nemo are the best ideas we can get of what happens.13:55
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HurrianStskeeps: by and large, the mentality was "oh man, the RX-71/RM-696 is gonna get canned, the N900 is the last in line"13:56
Stskeepsi think i may have killed one product, but that's another story for my post-mortem memoirs..13:56
faenillol13:56
alteregoDamnit, why can't people have better naming convensions.13:57
Stskeepsalterego: hello ID-NUMBER-244241412113:57
alteregoExactly!13:57
AardHurrian: what we push in nemo should give you a pretty good idea of what happens (just minus ui-details, but most of that was shown anyway)13:57
alteregoOtherwise you gets things like this: pkg-kernel-adaptation-lge-_13:58
dm8tbralso I don't get javispedro's complaints about 'leaks'. that was jolla going into the community and telling them what they wanted to know.13:58
HurrianAard: yep, that plus the SDK should give people that want a head start enough headroom.13:59
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* dm8tbr mumbles something about finally getting his a** up and porting SOWatch. The dbus-dumps from nemo middleware are getting stale.14:00
alteregoMaybe I need a better naming convention :)14:01
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w00tHurrian: you can learn surprisingly much from watching the public stuff, if you look closely ;)14:13
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mike7b4_on_x230when running mic I get: "error <repo>: Could not run transaction." whats that about?15:07
faenil:/15:07
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locusfHurrian: got the rpms harvested15:17
locusfnext step: copy to N9 and install, then see wether everything works or not15:17
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locusfworked!15:24
Hurrianshoot a video!15:27
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locusfalready did :)15:30
locusfwtf its uploading an old one, stupid android15:30
locusfah false alarm15:30
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locusfHurrian: thanks for the help15:31
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faenilsledges, I feel the pain in your arms :D15:34
ryukafalz_I actually didn't know what libhybris really was until yesterday... heard it mentioned a few times in regards to Ubuntu Touch but never bothered to look it up.  It's awesome. o.o15:35
faenilcomes from this guy -----> Stskeeps15:36
ryukafalz_Haha yeah I ran into his blog posts15:37
ryukafalz_Thank you Stskeeps! :D15:37
locusfaww I need to show the rebooted version15:40
locusfits much better15:40
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locusfSailfish running on N9 http://youtu.be/jr_yQwTUv3s16:05
faenillocusf, remember Stskeeps' advices16:06
locusffaenil: ?16:06
faenillink the video of sailfish running on another phone (i.e. the ones posted today)16:06
faenile.g.*16:07
faeniland make it clear that n9 driver has perf issues16:07
faenilit's not sailfish16:07
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Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYZedD11GtE and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYZedD11GtE fwiw -- just so it's not misunderstood as that sailfish has problems :)16:08
locusfStskeeps: same video?16:09
Stskeepserr..16:09
faenillocusf, also, showing Nemo apps on such video isn't the best idea...16:09
Stskeepssorry, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FJkawb4xhA16:09
Stskeepswell, that part is fine, just remark it's sailfish homescreen on top of nemo :P16:09
faenileasy for people who have never seen sailfish to think that those are the apps present in sailfish at this time16:10
locusfok check description16:10
faenilbut if you say it's oka..16:10
Stskeepslocusf: okay -- i'm just a bit afraid as i remember how meego got slaughtered in tech media so16:11
Stskeepslocusf: so i don't want us to suffer same fate :)16:11
locusfStskeeps: sure, not intended on that :)16:11
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Stskeepsanyway, should okay now.. bit unhappy i have to click "show more" but that's about it16:14
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Stskeepsit's pretty clear to anybody seeing it that n9 sailfish isn't a product16:14
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locusfalso updated title16:15
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alteregoN9 is >4 y/o hardware16:35
locusfit runs very nicely IMO16:38
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Morpog_PCdamn, seems my N7 just died...... would have been a great Nemo device in future16:45
alterego:(16:45
alteregoI'm doing an N7 adaptation :(16:45
Morpog_PCopening backkcover now to see if unplugging battery helps16:46
alteregoEek, what did you do?16:46
alteregoI would like a waterproof N7, that would be nice.16:47
alteregoMaybe a ziplock bag will do.16:47
faenillocusf, homescreen runs nicely, like on Nemo16:47
faenilhave you seen qmlnotes?16:47
Morpog_PCalterego, it rebooted while I used it16:48
alteregoeek, what were you running?16:48
Morpog_PCthen it came back with a distorting sound and flashing screen16:48
Morpog_PCI powered it off with a long press on power button16:49
Morpog_PCsince then it was death16:49
Morpog_PCalterego, firefox16:49
alteregofirefox os?16:49
Morpog_PCnope16:49
Morpog_PCstock android rooted16:49
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Morpog_PCand firefox browser16:49
alteregoHmm, sounds like what I have currently running on mine.16:50
Morpog_PCand irc in background16:50
alteregoThough I've got a custom rescue image I use to back everything up.16:50
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locusffaenil: did you ask me?16:51
alteregoMorpog_PC: I doubt it's software related, possibly CPU or RAM.16:51
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alteregoThe fact it doesn't get to any boot screen is very concerning :/16:52
Morpog_PCI also think it's hardware16:52
Morpog_PCit often rebooted when it was loading on USB and when I moved the cable around16:52
alteregoHeh16:53
faenillocusf, yes, in your video qmlnotes is like 1fps16:53
locusffaenil: yes16:53
alteregoWell, even though I don't like Android, I like having a tablet. So I'm trying to set it up nicely :)16:53
faenillocusf, so, it doesn't run nicely, at all :P16:53
faenilthat's why I said it wasn't a good idea to relate sailfish to that experience :P16:54
alteregoAnd hybris means I can move my stuff between whatever android device I think looks pretty or is worth getting.16:54
faenilalterego, +116:54
alteregoAnd even though I've got the basic 2012 wifi model, 16G I think, it's perfect as a thin client.16:55
locusffaenil: yes :p16:55
Morpog_PCyeah got the same model16:55
alteregoHmm, I think I've finally nailed this sink.16:55
alterego~sync ..16:55
Morpog_PCwow, it shows loading battery symbol on USB \o/16:55
ryukafalzalterego: Oh sweet you're doing a N7 adaptation?  I just recently got one hoping for things like that :P16:55
alteregoryukafalz: I am doing a bit more than just that, but I only have N7 candidate hardware for my work :)16:56
Morpog_PCalterego, that video thp posted, was that based on work you did?16:56
alteregoSo any other android devices that can run CyanogenMod I'd like to help people get them running this stuff.16:56
ryukafalzTried Ubuntu Touch but it's not all that impressive... Nemo looks closer to the old N810 that I loved so much :P16:57
Morpog_PChmm, still doesn't power on16:57
alteregoMorpog_PC: no, people have been working on their own adaptations singularly with the devices they have. I'm trying to batch build a set of kernels and initramfs' and minimal mer .ks files.16:57
ryukafalzOh haha nice.  And that is why I'm so happy libhybris exists haha16:57
alteregoFor as many android devices as I can.16:57
alteregoI actually know of about 4 N7 adaptations, just do a search for tegra or nexus in obs :)16:59
ryukafalzSo I'm curious... Ubuntu Touch doesn't have support for CDMA radios yet, is that also a problem for Nemo/Mer?  Do you know if they're using similar software stacks?16:59
alteregoryukafalz: similar, but not identical.16:59
alteregoryukafalz: as far as I know we shouldn't have too much of an issue there.16:59
alteregoThough that may need work in the audio routing department.16:59
alteregoData should be fine with any ril baseband though, hopefully ofono-ril works good :)17:00
alteregoryukafalz: And ubuntu does use ofono, do you have any details on ubuntu touch issues?17:01
ryukafalzUnfortunately no, I've asked in IRC at times but nobody there at the time knew why exactly it didn't work.  Meant to post to the mailing list but I never got around to it17:02
alteregoOh well, I'll guess if we have issues we'll find out soon :)17:03
Morpog_PCinteresting, it has a 4th button on the side not exposed to the outside17:04
alteregoErm, maybe it's a tamper button.17:05
alteregoDon't push it, you might void your warranty! :D17:05
Morpog_PClol, I voided it like 100 times already17:05
ryukafalzI have to leave, but are there any resources you could point me to for info about porting to other CyanogenMod-supported devices?  I don't have much experience with ARM development or low-level Linux yet, but I'd like to learn. :)  (And I'll have to probably anyway, I'll be taking an OS class next semester)17:05
alteregoryukafalz: just come back here, things are a bit thin as far as docs are concerned right now.17:05
alteregoThat will improve in time.17:06
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alteregoBut it's not a hard walk through exactly :)17:07
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Morpog_PCsledges, nothing worked :(17:54
locusfhmm native sailfish apps are slow17:56
locusffortunately I didn't video those17:57
faenil...17:57
Morpog_PCdamn lockscreen wallpaper :/17:58
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mike7b4_on_x230its kinda ironic we cant get N9 run nemo/sail succefully and now see it on many android devices. dooh :/ (Dont get me wrong I know its driver issue and I have no clue how I can help fixit :/18:14
faenilmike7b4_on_x230, yeah...18:17
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Tofehi !18:26
alteregoGood evening :)18:26
TofeI'm wondering, did you try yet to put maliit's keyboard windows somewhere else than at the bottom of the screen ? It looks like it's kind of hardcoded in maliit's inputmethod18:27
Tofe(because it works with the screen coordinates directly, not a parent window)18:27
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qwazixNice to see sailfish home on the N918:29
alteregoI've never really looked at maliit too closely.18:29
qwazixI still find that app launch animation tiring though. Same as on BBB1018:30
alteregoYeah, would be much cooler if app loading animations played funky disco music and made the phone vibrate.18:30
alteregoYou know, did something a bit more exciting than a spinning wheel or whatever :)18:31
Tofealterego: okay; well, I'll continue playing around with it, see if I find an idea other than modifying the inputmethod itself18:31
alteregoI like the idea of rotating icons that bounce up and down, or dance.18:31
alteregoI might try that in QML, when I finally get back to doing UI ... -_-18:31
alterego:)18:31
qwazixalterego, the thing I don't like is that the screen goes to the multitasking view and then zooms in18:32
alteregoAh...18:33
qwazixIt's a two step animation that feels slow, and after a few days I just want to turn it off18:33
alteregoI understand.18:33
alteregoI like things to be quite simple too.18:33
alteregoI actually ifnd using Android makes me feel really dizzy, because everything moves way too fast.18:34
Morpog_PCtofe, try to ask locusf18:34
alteregoMaybe we should have a "transition speed" setting in settings ;)18:34
qwazixon symbian days, turning off the animations actually felt like overclocking...18:34
Morpog_PCqwazix, I'm doing some abstract default wallpapers in SVG, feel free to follow :) I'm pushing first two soon to nemo-artwork18:35
alteregoHeh, I'm getting so sick of this PureView, can't wait for my Jolla.18:35
alteregoI cracked the screen on Tuesday :/18:36
alteregoAnd it's so f'ing slooow.18:36
alteregoTakes 20 seconds just to open an incoming message.18:36
locusfTofe: I don't know18:36
qwazixMorpog_PC, speaking of abstract wallpapers :P http://play.qwazix.com/gallery/18:37
Tofelocusf: ok :)18:37
qwazixthough we could make a wallpaper competition18:38
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Morpog_PCoooh18:39
alteregoqwazix: not sure about the first one, but the others are nice :)18:39
Morpog_PCqwazix, but those aren't in SVG?18:39
qwazixcrap, why is the compositor bug back? Can we find the commit it was fixed?18:39
alteregoIt's when we find out they're all blured pictures of his favourite flower :)18:39
qwazixMorpog_PC, no, they weren't made for nemo, I was just playing the other day18:39
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Morpog_PCI try to do some with glacier colors18:39
qwazixthough I don't really see the point to have svg wallpapers18:40
qwazixalterego, thanks18:40
Morpog_PCglacier bubbles: http://abload.de/img/wallpaper-bubblesj3pz6.png18:41
qwazixMorpog_PC, nice18:41
qwazixMorpog_PC, inkscape tweak tool ftw!18:43
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qwazixand spray tool too18:43
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Morpog_PCactually everything circles :)18:46
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drachensunvgrade: Just watched your demo, pretty nice19:07
drachensunI didn't realize they released the arm packages19:07
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zbenjaminStskeeps: ping19:21
zbenjaminfaenil: are you here?19:26
faenilyup19:26
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zbenjaminyou know this thing? http://omappedia.org/wiki/Linux_OMAP_Kernel_Project19:26
zbenjamindarn just saw that omap3 is work in progress19:27
fk_lxzbenjamin: well wouldn't have any hopes with that -> page was last updated in 201119:28
fk_lxzbenjamin: http://omappedia.org/index.php?title=Linux_OMAP_Kernel_Project&action=history19:28
zbenjaminfk_lx: ok :(19:28
fk_lx* any -> many19:28
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dm8tbromap3 has a reasonably stable sgx driver19:29
zbenjaminew repos was last updated last changeTue, 15 Jun 2010 10:54:44 +000019:29
dm8tbrall you need is to make sure the glue code compiles for the kernel19:29
dm8tbrthat's it19:29
fk_lx:-/19:29
dm8tbrI made that work in the past by pounding the code with a sledge hammer19:29
zbenjamindm8tbr: where can we grab that kernel from?19:29
dm8tbrso anybody can do it19:29
zbenjaminerr driver19:29
dm8tbrn9 kernel19:29
dm8tbrdriver, ti.com19:29
dm8tbror look at where rowboat et al get their binaries from19:30
zbenjaminhttp://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP3_GIT_Linux_Kernel19:30
dm8tbrit's some ginormous tarball19:30
dm8tbrwrong19:31
dm8tbryou don't want a kernel19:31
dm8tbryou HAVE a kernel19:31
dm8tbrand there is no chance of a snowball on the face of a sun, that you can make a different kernel work19:31
dm8tbrall you want are the SGX binaries and the kernel module glue code19:31
faenilthere you go19:34
faenilhttps://gitorious.org/rowboat/hardware-ti-sgx/source/07e98bf04976a3488a291d6b27c0718bcd75a4f5:gfx_rel_es4.x_android19:34
zbenjaminhttp://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Building_Qt_for_OMAP35xx_with_OpenGL_ES_accelerated_by_SGX19:34
zbenjaminfaenil: how did you find that so fast?19:35
faenilzbenjamin, I've been looking for more info in the last hour ;)19:35
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zbenjaminhttp://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM35x-OMAP35x_Graphics_SDK_Getting_Started_Guide19:38
faenildm8tbr, so the kernel module is separated from the .so ?19:39
faenilI mean, does that mean we can use Android 4.3 SGX530 .so?19:40
dm8tbrthe silicon in an N9 is 363019:40
faenildm8tbr, should be 343019:40
dm8tbrno19:41
dm8tbrN900 was 343019:41
faenildm8tbr, right, getting confused with another phone19:41
faenildm8tbr, anyway gpu is SGX530, we know that19:41
dm8tbrI know more about omap3 than I ever wanted and it's mostly not because of Nokia19:41
zbenjaminso you are the guy who knows how we have to do this ;)19:42
faenilthe link I pasted has Android 4.3 drivers for SGX53019:42
dm8tbrI've been trying to tell you for the last couple of days...19:42
faenilso if that's not kernel dependent, it should be ok with libhybris19:42
zbenjaminwhat about this stuff: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/latest/index_FDS.html19:42
dm8tbrand the drivers are ES4.x19:42
dm8tbrnot 4.319:42
dm8tbrsame thing19:43
faenildm8tbr, yes but check the commits, and the branch, it's updated to Android 4.319:43
dm8tbr*sigh* that's not really relevant here19:44
dm8tbrall you want is an ES4 binary set19:44
zbenjamindm8tbr: you have to be patient with us kernel noobs ;)19:44
dm8tbrit contains kernel module source19:44
dm8tbrthen you have to somehow make this stuff match the N9 kernel19:44
faenilyes we got that, but I see no source here19:45
dm8tbronce you accomplish that, it will magically work19:45
dm8tbrdid you unpack the SDK?19:45
faenilI meant in the git repo19:45
dm8tbrwhat did I say about git repos?19:45
dm8tbrscrew git repos19:45
faenilahah19:46
dm8tbryou want that GFX SDK19:46
dm8tbrfull. stop.19:46
zbenjaminhttp://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM35x-OMAP35x_Graphics_SDK_Getting_Started_Guide19:46
zbenjaminthat one19:46
faenilwhen did you say that? :D19:46
zbenjamin?19:46
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faenilzbenjamin, Graphics SDK19:48
zbenjaminyes? thats a graphics sdk ... ;)19:48
zbenjaminclosed source linux drivers suck19:49
zbenjaminis he gone now?19:50
* zbenjamin is confudes19:50
zbenjaminconfused19:50
Stskeepsbut yes, they do19:50
Stskeepsthe only blessed part about android is that at least they keep a common api :P19:50
Stskeepsfor the most part19:50
zbenjaminStskeeps: heya19:50
Stskeepssorry, busy evening up till now19:51
zbenjaminnp19:51
zbenjamini wonder if we maybe just can use this : http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/latest/index_FDS.html19:51
zbenjaminthe page says the sdk comes with the driver19:51
qwazixrandom question: I remember meego could upgrade a kernel while running, can we still do that?19:52
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Stskeepsas in it upgrades, then you reboot into it..?19:52
qwazixno, I clearly remember running Meego on the Dell Mini 9 losing WiFi without reboot during upgrade because no wifi driver for the new kernel19:53
qwazixI don't know how it did that19:53
Stskeepsperhaps just bad packaging19:53
zbenjaminqwazix: wut?19:53
qwazixhmm...19:54
dm8tbrprobably replaced firmware19:54
dm8tbrand incompatible19:54
qwazixmaybe. Though rebooting into the old kernel via bootloaded still had wifi19:54
qwazixstupid noob question warning: can't it be done with kexec?19:55
dm8tbrthat's sort of booting a new kernel though19:56
ZogG_laptop\o everyone19:56
dm8tbrwith the additional risk of all hell breaking loose19:56
qwazixhi ZogG_laptop19:56
qwazixdm8tbr, I suppose it can't be done with the user session intact...19:56
dm8tbrnope19:57
zbenjaminZogG_laptop: hey19:57
qwazixhmm, then it was probably something along the lines of bad packaging or firmware update19:57
qwazixthanks, one learns something every day :)19:58
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zbenjamindm8tbr: so --- are you still with us on the task? ;)20:05
zbenjaminfaenil: any idea how we continue with that?20:23
zbenjaminfaenil: i think that sdk may look promising20:23
faenilzbenjamin, dunno..20:25
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Morpog_MobileYay, my N7 is alive!21:06
alteregowoo!21:11
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lbtwhere is lipstick's platform configured?21:14
lbtas in :  Failed to load platform plugin "xcb".21:15
ZogG_laptopN7?21:20
ZogG_laptopfaenil: o/21:21
faenilhey21:21
ZogG_laptopsup21:21
faenilMorpog_Mobile, yay!21:21
ZogG_laptopfk_lx: ._.21:21
ZogG_laptopwhat is N7?21:21
faenilZogG_laptop, going out in 20 mins :)21:21
faenillbt, lipstick as in homescreen or lipstick lib21:22
lbthomescreen21:22
faenillbt, /var/lib/environment/compositor/21:22
lbtno such dir21:23
ZogG_laptopfaenil: yaa, paaaaaaarty21:23
faenillbt, the dir is correct, and it's there both on Sailfish and Nemo, if you're on wayland, taht is21:24
lbthmmm .. what provides it ?21:24
faenildevice specifig configs pacakges21:24
lbtnemo-complete-wayland is installed21:24
lbtok, makes sense - I need to find one then21:25
faeniland also nemo-mobile-session21:25
faenilsomething like that21:25
faenilnemo-configs-n950-n9-wayland21:25
lbtnemo-mobile-session-wayland provides /var/lib/environment/nemo/50-nemo-mobile-wayland.conf21:26
faenilyeah, ^21:26
faenildevice specific package has compositor conf21:26
faenile.g. https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-configs-n950-n9/tree/master/conf21:27
faenilhttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-configs-n950-n9/blob/master/conf/60-n9-n950-ui.conf21:27
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lbtfaenil: do yo mean literally compositor.conf? or is it now handled by the environment/nemo/*conf files ?21:29
faenilsee my last link21:29
lbtok21:30
faenillbt, lipstick service has EnvironmentFile=/var/lib/environment/compositor/*21:30
faenilsomething like that21:30
faenillbt, https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/blob/qt5/rpm/lipstick.service21:31
lbtok so the packaging would probably have dropped them in that dir21:33
lbtI just love when you have to follow a breadcrumb trail21:33
faenillbt, well, which device are you on?21:34
lbtnexus 421:34
faenildon't know what the configs package is for that one21:34
faenilit's not on official nemomobile repo afaik anyway21:34
lbtI think that's now my job :)21:34
faenil:) just take the file from n950, should be 90% same :)21:35
faenilexcept last 2 lines21:35
alteregolbt: might have some new mer-tools for tomorrow :)21:43
faenilcya tomorrow guys :) going out o/21:44
lbtalterego: sounds interesting21:53
w00tlbt: keep in mind that we have seperate configs for jolla21:56
alteregohttps://github.com/tswindell/kernel-adaptations21:58
alteregolbt, the scripts aren't quite finished yet. But coming along.21:58
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alteregoFixing the script to be a bit more bandwidth friendly when specifying a specific device, and I've not quite finished the publishing script.21:59
* lbt looks at his 2Mb pipe...22:00
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alteregoGrr, hate their broken repositories ..22:04
alteregoOne final run through, then it's on to getting the packaging correct again.22:05
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WizzupWin 14123:21
Wizzupoops... grrr23:21
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