Sunday, 2013-11-24

Morpog_omg, 142 packages, that will take a while to find out which causes the regression....00:00
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Morpog_down to 38 packages00:34
Morpog_sledges, found the bad one!00:50
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Morpog_it's qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl01:00
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svetlanausb networking, round 707:51
svetlanahttps://pastee.org/d8jve07:52
svetlanaoh, and 8.8.8.8 pings okay, hm.07:52
svetlanaoh, lovely, editing /etc/resolv.conf fixed it07:53
sledgesMorpog: well done man!07:55
sledgesnow time to find the offending commit :)07:56
sledgesall: info how to tmpfix touch problem is in images section on wiki07:57
sledgespity piggz didnt stumble upon thay07:57
sledgesthat07:57
sledgessandy_locke: we have blue X icon to close apps07:58
sledges(long press in app switcher)07:58
sledgesvery nice animation :)07:59
sledgesand yes, we will keep blurred version of home background07:59
sledgeslive blur too costly08:00
sledgeswill need more tests on future powerful devices08:00
svetlanawhich one is 'not powerful' ?08:00
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svetlanait booted and as you may already know the bar with clock, cellular network power, and similar is missing08:36
svetlanai did have to use the workaround about zupper-something-unfreeze from the wiki08:37
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svetlanatime setting is impossible to change, i select as needed and click accept, it stays at 197008:39
svetlanai have to admit i admire the nice screen resolution, the other phone i have has big fat pixels on its screen08:40
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sledgessvetlana, hit and run? :)09:48
sledgesstatus bar will look like this (not always visible, but bottoms swipe in app reveals it):http://plateforme.test.pagesperso-orange.fr/animated_dialogs/animated_dialogs.html09:49
sledgesif you connect to wifi, clock sets automatically09:50
sledgeshhe settings app will be soon rewritten using QtQuickControls and glacier theme and experience09:51
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sledgesbut the logic behind will be reused (like setting the clock), so use https://bugs.nemomobile.org to report please09:52
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gryi am back (was here as svetlana today)10:06
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mike7b4_on_x230hmm is it possible to install nemo target insidle sailfish sdk?10:26
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sledgesmike7b4_on_x230: yes10:36
sledgesgry: check the backlog if not already ;)10:36
sledgesmike7b4_on_x230: latest sdk comes with arm target, so just use that10:37
sledgesi havent tried, if any prereqs fail, check back with PoC: http://locusf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/adding-armv7hl-target-to-sailfish-sdk.html?m=110:38
mike7b4_on_x230sledges: tried that using: mb2 -t Sailfish-arm..  But when try install RPM package on n9(with nemo) it cried about wrong GLIBC10:39
mike7b4_on_x230so thats why I took for granted I need nemo root image target...10:40
mike7b4_on_x230But will check your link now...10:41
sledgesok, try, then check with locusf10:42
Morpogso sledges, want to take over or built some of those old versions for me?10:43
Morpog:D10:43
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Morpognot that much changes between 20th and 30th october10:44
Morpoghttps://github.com/mer-packages/qtwayland/commits/master10:44
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Morpogbtw sledges do those patterns not get updated? Got no glacier theme as update10:48
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sledgesafk a bit :)10:59
Morpogok, will be later afk too for a while :)10:59
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sledgesonly qmlpackaganager was rebuilt Morpog11:11
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sledgespr on glacier theme tooM..11:11
sledges?..11:11
Morpog???11:12
MorpogI don't understand11:12
MorpogWhat I wanted to say was, that I had to manually innstall neme-theme-glacier on my test VM11:13
Morpogit didn't get pulled in with a zypper up/dup11:14
sledgesyou need to manually ask for newly introduced packafes11:14
sledgessee Nemo/Updating wiki11:14
MorpogI thought it was added to some kind of pattern?11:14
sledgesyes, but pattern does not get checked on zypper dup11:15
Morpogah ok!11:15
sledgesi just got a xrazy idea how to make such things work11:15
sledgessince nothong depends on theme, nothing asks for it to ve pulled in11:16
sledges*be11:16
Morpogcrazy ideas are the best :D11:16
sledgesso we can make it a dependency of a dummy package11:17
sledgesand eg when we have a new app11:17
sledgesit gets pulled in11:17
sledgestoo11:17
Morpogwe update the dependency of dummy app11:17
sledgesbut11:17
Morpogthat dummy app needs to be in first :)11:18
sledgesin long future, user might not want new nonindependent things11:18
sledgesso our package manager shpuld instead just inform about newbies11:18
sledgesfor dev stage like this, dimmy is a good idea11:19
locusfmike7b4_on_x230: are you still having problems, try cleaning your project in Qt Creator11:20
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mike7b4_on_x230locusf: no, other problems when i try the guide: File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/latest/nemo/platform/i486/' also not find qtboostable in the nemo target hmm11:22
locusfmike7b4_on_x230: okay11:23
locusfthats really odd11:23
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mike7b4_on_x230btw. don't know where that fail repolink link comes from its not in my ssu.ini11:29
mike7b4_on_x230but hmm there is two mer-cross in [release] section the second is the one given from: http://locusf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/adding-armv7hl-target-to-sailfish-sdk.html?m=1 the first is: mer-cross=%(releaseProtocol)://%(releaseDomain)/%(releasePath)/%(release)/mer/%(arch)/cross/11:32
mike7b4_on_x230should both exist?11:32
locusfah they have fixed it11:33
locusfno, only one is enoguh11:33
mike7b4_on_x230okey but which one?11:34
locusfshow me the other one11:34
mike7b4_on_x230mer-cross=%(releaseProtocol)://%(releaseDomain)/%(releasePath)/%(release)/mer/%(arch)/cross/  the oine in your blogg11:35
mike7b4_on_x230one*11:35
locusftheyre the same11:35
locusfso remote either one11:35
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locusfargbh11:35
locusfmy dropbox links don'tt work anymore11:35
Morpoglocusf, maybe my fault, as I downloaded that old nemo vm image on friday :D11:36
mike7b4_on_x230dumb me dooh there is  a third in rnd section that is different.11:36
locusfMorpog: how is it your fault?11:36
Morpogbandwith exceeded?11:36
locusfMorpog: nah they have locked my public links since forever11:37
locusfI guesss11:37
Morpog:(11:37
locusfoh they have unlocked them without telling me11:37
locusfwell happy ending then11:37
Morpog:)11:37
locusfmike7b4_on_x230: actually my instructions only apply to the point of adding a new target via the url11:38
mike7b4_on_x230I seer11:38
dm8tbrif you guys need hosting for images, let me knwo11:38
mike7b4_on_x230see*11:38
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locusfmike7b4_on_x230: refresh to see the changes11:40
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locusfI should update the arm target11:41
mike7b4_on_x230locusf: refresh what?11:41
locusfmike7b4_on_x230: my blog page11:42
mike7b4_on_x230ok11:42
mike7b4_on_x230:)11:42
locusfmike7b4_on_x230: btw do you need x86 target or arm target?11:43
mike7b4_on_x230nope11:43
locusfbecause I have only provided the arm one11:43
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mike7b4_on_x230locusf: only need the arm11:43
locusfmike7b4_on_x230: okay11:43
locusfbloody qtc_ macros11:44
mike7b4_on_x230need to get rid of File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/latest/nemo/platform/i486/'  I guess it was zypper ar command added it...11:44
locusfyeah11:45
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locusfdm8tbr: we chose to host bittorrent with magnet links12:15
dm8tbrok, if users will manage to grok that12:16
dm8tbrmaybe put some info on the old image directories so that people don't think "no images → project dead"12:16
locusfoh yeah thats the current situation yes, until I get my access info to releases.nemomobile.org from lbt12:17
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faenilcoderus, this is the official nemomobile channel :)14:06
faenilso, what do you want to know?14:06
coderusfaenil: is it have qt5?14:06
faenilyes14:06
faeniland wayland14:06
coderusfaenil: is it usable?14:06
faenilcoderus, if nemo has qt5, sailfish has qt5 ;)14:07
coderusfaenil: for development14:07
faenilcoderus, if you mean daily usable, no14:07
faenilyes for development14:07
coderusfaenil: and can i send/receive sms and make call, if urgent needed while i'm in nemo?14:07
faenilwe're under massive reconstruction since we moved to wayland14:07
faenilyes sms and calls *should* work14:07
coderusfaenil: okay. i wanna try14:07
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faenilcoderus, but all the apps and homescreen are just placeholders14:08
coderusfaenil: give me please links to download14:08
faenilwhile we're building the new Glacier UI for nemomobile14:08
faenilcoderus, sure wait14:08
coderusfaenil: i can contribute for ui14:08
coderusfaenil: i'm ready :D14:08
faenilcoderus, cool, awesome to hear that14:08
faenilI've been trying to pull you in for months maybe years14:09
faenilbut maybe jolla is now more attractive ;)14:09
coderusfaenil: well, i can use both ui14:09
coderusfaenil: current attract is possibility to use on device14:09
faenilcoderus, okay wait I stand up (I'm laid on the sofa ehehe) so we can chat :P14:09
coderusfaenil: i have no Jolla preorder14:10
faenilok14:10
faenilcoderus, info for installing https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing14:10
faenilthere are images as well14:10
coderusfaenil: and i have no other libhybris devices than N9 to flash Jolla :D14:10
faenilahaha :)14:10
faenilbut, nemo doesn't use libhybris on n914:10
coderusfaenil: and i had troubles with N9's in past (broken two phones :D)14:11
coderusfaenil: i'm just talking i have only N9, no android devices in my home :D14:11
faenilah ok ;)14:11
coderusfaenil: download from torrent? ;O14:12
faenilcoderus, yeah since we moved to wayland we haven't used the official infrastructure14:13
faenilas usually jolla guys handled that and they're quite busy14:13
faenilthey can give us control14:13
faenilbut none has time to take care of releases system in nemo :D14:13
locusfhey coderus14:13
faenilso until we reach usability of the old Nemo x1114:13
coderusfaenil: so no direct link to download?14:13
faenilwe're keeping it like this14:13
coderuslocusf: hello?14:14
faenilcoderus, I'm sorry I think there's no direct link, we used dropbox but locusf's account was suspended14:14
faenilbecaues of too much bandwitdh use14:14
coderusi can download it and locate in my openrepos server :D14:14
* dm8tbr coughs and mumbles something about his offer for images.formeego.org still being open14:14
stephgbtw if folks want to host images I can do that for you for free (certainly for a while) on S314:14
faenildm8tbr, yeah we need people to actually *do* that :)14:15
locusffaenil: they work again but I have only released the images as magnet links14:15
coderusfaenil: maybe you can give .torrrent file?14:15
coderuslocusf: ?14:15
dm8tbrfaenil: you already have an ssh account on that box14:15
faenildm8tbr, I'm just ignorant, we can talk about it ;)14:16
faenilI just have to upload the image in some dir?14:16
locusfcoderus: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:GWFWGUY3UQ5C7FQPVIO7BJBZJNPAPDCD14:16
coderuslocusf: i think my KTorrent have broken magnet links support14:16
locusfoh ok14:17
coderuslocusf: i never successed in downloading via magnet :D14:17
coderuswhy no .torrent link? is it WAREZ? :D14:17
dm8tbrfaenil: scp foo.img.bz2 faenil@devaamo.fi:/home/faenil/n9-sailfish-images/14:18
dm8tbror rsync14:18
stephgfwiw my Transmission says no peers14:18
locusfcoderus: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/5ab7w1qsjrrvd4b/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-04.1.tar.bz2.torrent14:18
faenildm8tbr, okay if it's just a metter of uploading it I can take care of it :) when I'm not at home with this ridicolous 3g14:18
faenilsignal14:18
dm8tbrand the images show up here: http://images.formeego.org/n950/sailfish-sdk/14:18
faenildm8tbr, okay cool :) so I can upload that tomorrow at the office :)14:19
dm8tbrbut let me give you access to a nemo directory too14:19
faenilcoderus, spoilers: no network signal, no wifi signal, no battery indicator (they were there before moving to wayland)14:19
coderuslocusf: thanks. seed please :)14:19
faenildm8tbr, :)14:20
coderusfaenil: can i reach this information from sysfs?14:20
faenilcoderus, not sure, haven't tried, but yes that is the final target14:20
faenilI think statefs reads from sysfs14:20
faeniliirc14:20
faenilwe just have to create statefs providers14:21
faenil(afaik)14:21
dm8tbrfaenil: changed path, copy nemo images to /home/faenil/n950-images/nemo/14:22
faenildm8tbr, ok o/14:22
mike7b4_on_x230 I thought the target name is the dirnames under /srv/mer/targets/* but mersdk whines about sb2 -t Nemo-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R ssu ur "Invalid target specified, aborting" even if  the dir is named Nemo-armv7hl? How o list targets14:23
mike7b4_on_x230?14:23
faenilmike7b4_on_x230, no the name is the one you specify via sb2-init command14:24
faenilthe long one14:24
faenilbut running "sb2-init" only should show you the setup targets14:24
coderus200KiB/s, 19mins remaining :D14:26
mike7b4_on_x230faenil: I see but does not list hmm..14:26
faenilmkosola, m?14:27
mike7b4_on_x230aah sb2-copnfig -l14:27
faenilouch14:27
locusfthe target handling of the Sailfish SDK is a little retarted14:27
mike7b4_on_x230sb2-config -l list it.14:27
faenilmike7b4_on_x230, ah yeah sb2-config maybe14:27
faenilok14:27
faenilsorry14:27
mkosolafaenil: ?14:27
faenilmkosola, sorry tab complete :D14:27
mkosolafaenil: no problem :)14:27
faenilmkosola, how you doing :)14:27
mkosolafine thanks14:27
faenilgood14:28
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coderusfaenil: downloaded14:40
coderusfaenil: just follow instructions?14:40
faenilcoderus, yeah, I don't have n9 though14:40
faenilso you better ask locusf for questions about installing on n914:40
coderusfaenil: :O how it possible?14:40
faenilcoderus, only n95014:40
coderuslocusf: ?14:40
coderusfaenil: what difference?14:40
faenilcoderus, in bootloader14:40
faenilless freedom in n914:41
faenildon't remember details, but they have slightly different methods to install14:41
faenilcoderus, I recommend setting up ubiboot, to have dual or triple boot14:41
coderusfaenil: i have ubiboot :)14:42
faenilcoderus, cool :)14:42
coderusfaenil: locusf: so with ubiboot i dont need to flash anything?14:42
faenilthen just extract the tar file in Alt_OS14:42
coderusaha okay14:42
coderusi know what to do then :)14:42
faeniland you're good to go, I think14:42
faenil:)14:42
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coderusso, do you need server to host nemomobile images and stuff?14:45
coderusyou can talk with Custodian and get nemomobile.openrepos.net for example14:45
faenilcoderus, nah it seems we have a solution now ;)14:45
coderusit will be your virtual private server14:46
coderusyou can do whatever you want with it14:46
coderusfaenil: fine :)14:46
faenil:)14:46
coderusbut think about openrepos ;)14:46
faenilcoderus, but we have infra already14:46
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faeniljust nobody to take care of it ;(14:47
faenil;)14:47
coderusso why troubles in hosting images then?14:47
faenilcoderus, because none has asked sailors how to take the x11 nemo infra into use ;)14:47
coderusok :)14:48
coderusi hope i can download next image from direct link ;)14:48
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faenilcoderus, we all hope ;) we also need people that *do* :D14:48
coderusor i dont need to download each image and can update via repos?14:48
faenilcoderus, yes of course you can update via repos ;)14:48
coderusupgrade?14:48
faenilzypper ref && zypper dup is what we used14:49
faenilbut now I think we use pkcon14:49
coderusfaenil: so image just for fresh installation?14:49
faenilyeah14:49
faeniland special cases, but rare14:49
coderusgood then :)14:49
faenilyup :)14:49
sandy_locke|mfaenil, what´s new in the new glacier ui update you were talking about? yo14:49
faenilsandy_locke|m, what do you mean? nothing that you don't know :)14:49
coderusfaenil: going away then, let you know if ii successfully boot to Nemo :D14:50
sandy_locke|mah, I thought new stuffs were being uploaded...14:50
faenilcoderus, okay, then I can introduce you to people and roles when you have time ;)14:50
sandy_locke|mcoderus will join us?14:50
faenilwell, we'll see, he's installing nemo14:51
sandy_locke|mnice :)14:51
sandy_locke|mwould make a nice addition to the crew ;)14:51
faenilI think coderus loves stuff like nemo, it's just that he didn't trust me so far when I tried to pull him into nemo ;)14:51
faenilnow he will try it :)14:51
sandy_locke|mcool :)14:52
dm8tbrhttp://images.formeego.org/n950/nemo/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-04.1.tar.bz2 - now also available (just fired up a torrent client on that machine...)14:52
faenildm8tbr, cool stuff thank you14:52
locusffaenil: I have asked but have yet to receive any reply yet14:53
sandy_locke|mdm8tbr: thx14:53
faenillocusf, ah ok :/14:53
locusfon using the infrastructure14:53
* dm8tbr is used to vendors and projects not coping with an enthusiastic community *cough* *snerk* that's where this particular server comes from...14:54
locusfdm8tbr: do you want the rest of the images too?14:55
locusfa couple of mirrors couldn't hurt14:55
dm8tbrsure, toss me torrents or download links or whatever14:55
faenilwiki updated14:55
locusfdm8tbr: sure, wait a bit14:55
dm8tbror bittorrent-sync if you have that14:56
* dm8tbr is currently trying out new stuff for "automagically syncing cross platform filesystems"14:56
locusfbittorrent-sync?14:56
dm8tbrhttp://www.bittorrent.com/sync14:57
dm8tbrthe ARM binary also works on Nemo and Sailfish14:57
locusfdm8tbr: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/lweiqz0i4vdkrgk/nemo-n950-rnd-20131120.tar.bz2.torrent14:58
locusfdm8tbr: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/8qp3eo4qkh97iyx/nemoWayland-20131030.vdi.torrent14:59
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locusfdm8tbr: did the torrents work?15:24
dm8tbrslowwwwww15:24
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locusfok15:29
locusfnow going at full speed at least in my end15:32
dm8tbrI still see only 0,5kbyte/s15:35
locusfhmm strange15:35
locusfI got 2 peers from Germany and Finland15:37
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dm8tbryes, that's both me15:44
dm8tbrah, now my finnish client seems to have gotten something (and ran out of space)15:45
locusflol15:45
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dm8tbrlocusf: both files are now complete on the server. I'll have to move the VDI to a different folder though, as it's sorted by hw-adaptations16:06
locusfdm8tbr: ok good16:06
dm8tbrneat, some unitimedia IP from cologne just reached 100M  on that torrent ;)16:08
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dm8tbrhttp://images.formeego.org/virtual-x86/nemo/ for the VDI16:11
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locusfexcellent16:17
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dm8tbrand now faenil also has write access to that16:20
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faenildm8tbr, cool thank you :)16:20
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* faenil is working :P16:20
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dm8tbrboth are symlinked from your home on that machine16:20
faenilcool :)16:20
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locusfdm8tbr: added mirror links to wiki16:27
dm8tbr:)16:30
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deztructorcoderus: faenil statefs providers using generic sources are available and used in sailfish. I guess, just a webhook should be added to mer obs webhooks to build it also there16:34
faenildeztructor, ah ok so they should work already for nemo ux?16:34
deztructorfaenil: yes, I do not see any reason why not :) maybe webhook was not added16:35
faenilok ;)16:35
faenildeztructor, it could also be that webhook is there already but they're not being installed with the current .ks16:35
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faenilI still have a bit of confusion about how the whole property mechanisms work at the moment16:36
deztructorfaenil: I checked a a glance and do not see statefs-providers in mer obs now, so webooks and patterns are missing now16:36
faenilok16:37
deztructorfaenil: nothing special, just files and symlinks + adapter to use contextkit interfaces to access 'em16:37
deztructorI can spend some time to describe how it is working now16:37
deztructormaybe on next week...16:37
faenilyeah it's ok ;)16:38
mike7b4_on_x230Dunno if I did something  wrong but for me sb image from http://locusf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/adding-armv7hl-target-to-sailfish-sdk.html?m=1 did not work (it cried bout no repos) so I made fresh from kickstart file using  faenil NemoWaylandKickstart file.  Btw faenil you just got an merge  request ;)16:39
faenilmike7b4_on_x230, I haven't had a look at that guide yet sorry16:40
deztructorfaenil: when statefs+providers are installed, executing 'find /usr/state -type d -exec ls -l {} \;' and the same command for ${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR}/state explains a lot16:40
faenildeztructor, okay :)16:40
faenilmike7b4_on_x230, are you sure ffmemless plugin shouldn't be provided by something else?16:41
faenil(I don't know, just want to know if you're sure about it :) )16:41
faenilwe can wait for someone else to review :)16:42
mike7b4_on_x230Not sure I just added it because I want it and it worked. Actually acidetly commited when add mer-tools repo.16:43
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faenilmike7b4_on_x230, :)16:45
mike7b4_on_x230 just wanted the mer-tools because build fails cause of wrong url.16:46
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faenilmike7b4_on_x230, I see16:50
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mike7b4_on_x230trying build target Nemo-armv7hl using mb2 -t Nemo-armv7hl and then install using rpm --install but it fails with "Problem: nothing provides libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) needed by qmlcalc-0.1.0-1.armv7hl"? No clue what I do wrong :(17:07
zbenjaminjo folks17:14
Jonnimike7b4_on_x230: usually it means that you have x86 binary somewhere hidden inside your rpm, ie bad cleanup17:15
faenilsuper Jonni to the rescue17:16
Jonnithat usually happens if you do x86 and arm build in same build tree17:16
mike7b4_on_x230Jonni: nope built clean and unpacked rpm without install qmlcalc is an ARM elf17:25
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mike7b4_on_x230oh crapme, I did scp it to wrong dir and the first build WAS  X86 RPM. and then just tried install that one over and over again dooh17:31
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mike7b4_on_x230Jonni: thanks for tip17:32
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sledgesfaenil: no more pkcon, Nemo/Updating wiki now looks clean ;) pk* will be used by qmlpackagemanager (already is)19:35
faenilsledges, so what do we do via cmd?19:35
sledgesNemo/Updating wiki ;) cant remember now exactly im on mobile19:36
sledgeszypper in t pattern pattrn name19:36
sledgessmthng like that19:36
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* sledges back on M5, driving home :)19:42
faenilmm k19:44
sledgeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfDEwyl4uCM19:45
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TechieElfHello all.21:41
TechieElfIs there a porting guide?21:41
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sledgesTechieElf: hi, porting what from where to where? :)21:44
TechieElfsledges: Porting nemo to my android device (moto droid razr m)21:45
Stskeepswhat SoC is that and what cyanogenmod version exists?21:45
TechieElfCyanogenmod 10.1 and 10.2 as well as AOSP 4.4 are available and stable21:47
TechieElfNot sure about the SoC21:47
Stskeepsqualcomm/exynos/etc?21:48
sledgesQualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM896021:48
Stskeepsah, should be possible then..21:49
StskeepsTechieElf: we're working on a porting guide to make it easier to port nemo to android devices21:49
Stskeepsbut it's not there just yet21:49
Stskeepsyou're free to hang around though21:49
TechieElfStskeeps: Well, I've tried to port Ubuntu Touch using their guide with no luck. Lets hope it turns out better21:49
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sledgesMorpog: im on the case: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/latest.log.html#t2013-11-24T10:43:2123:46
Morpog_MobileGreat!23:48
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sledgesMorpog: downgraded, works fine, wanna quick tmpfix in the meantime?23:52
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Morpog_MobileNah, waiting for proper fix,  but maybe others23:53
sledgesok, i'll put in the wiki23:53
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Morpog_MobileSo also an idea how to fix it?23:54
sledgesi think offending commit is right above that23:54
sledgeshaven't looked in the code yet23:54
Morpog_MobileOk, so more trial and error23:54
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sledgesa bit of both23:55
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