Tuesday, 2013-11-26

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mjonessledges: ping03:22
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twobobso I note the pandaboard image appears to be missing from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Images03:37
twobobam I being stupid?03:37
twobobThe installation for PandaBoard is very simple.03:47
twobobDownload the nemo image (see: #Images), it is named nemo-handset-armv7l-pandaboard and the disk image has extension .raw.03:47
twobobAfter downloading the image follow the Raw image write guide how to put the image to the sd card. After the image is written put the sdcard to PandaBoard and turn on the power.03:47
twobobshould I build one instead via a .ks file?03:48
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sledgesmjones: pong08:10
mjonessledges: I investigated the touch release issue on n908:11
sledgesyay thanks :) how did it go?08:11
mjonessledges: it turns out the touch driver is delivering 2 events for every actual event.08:12
mjonessledges: i.e. we get TouchBegin, TouchBegin, TouchEnd, TouchEnd for a tap08:12
mjonessledges: which is not allowed.08:12
sledgestouch driver of n9?08:12
mjonessledges: presumably. I didn't dig down far enough to find out exactly who is at fault.08:13
mjonessledges: it is at a lower level than QWindowSystemInterface::handleTouchEvent()08:14
sledgesit might be flaky because sometimes it all works08:14
sledgescan be that two instances of driver get loaded..08:15
sledgesis it evdev so i could track it sooner08:15
mjoneswe use evdevtouch in Jolla without problems, so I'd look lower than that.08:16
sledgesyup understood08:16
sledgescould you tell why everything worked before those two commits?08:16
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sledgesand is the driver delivering doubled events 100% of boots? (you might not have time to confirm this, I will try)08:17
mjonesboth QtQuick and QtGui were synthesising mouse events, so there was a doubling of mouse events, including mouse release08:17
sledgesi'll use evtest to debug, unless you could pinpoint me at a debug line in upper layers too, would be great08:17
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mjonesI don't know about differences across reboots. I've only rebooted once since I installed nemo08:18
faenilmorning o/08:19
sledgesfaenil: morn!08:19
sledgesmjones: hang on a minute, so is driver generating doubles, or one from qtquick+one from qtgui?08:21
mjonessledges: there's no high level debug available without recompiling08:21
sledgesmjones: recompiling not an issue ;) just a line number would be great08:21
mjonessledges: the driver. You can see the touch events arriving in QWindowSystemInterface::handleTouchEvent() which is quite low down08:22
sledgesin which package?08:22
mjonessledges: in qquickwindow.cpp you can uncomment #define TOUCH_DEBUG for some debugging at a high level08:22
mjonessledges: qtbase08:22
sledgesok, brilliant, will take it from there08:23
mjonessledges: qtbase/src/gui/kernel/qwindowsysteminterface.cpp for QWindowSystemInterface::handleTouchEvent()08:23
mjonessledges: qtdeclarative for the qquickwindow.cpp debug08:23
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mjonesgood luck08:26
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sledgescheers, i wonder how it worked before though :}}08:26
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mjonesI wonder how anything worked before. You're lucky - it had a positive affect for you ;-)08:27
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sledgesim hell busy coming days08:44
sledgescould anyone pick this issue up? might need lowlevel driving digging08:45
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zbenjaminw00t: are you here?12:15
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KhertanAtworkUnfortunatelly we can't accept Python applications in our app store at the moment. Some enablers are missing for proper integration to the platfrom. But we are working on it, to make that happen. You can support us with that effort, please ask in Nemo project how to help with Python.13:13
KhertanAtworkOuch ...13:13
KhertanAtworkWhat is the reason of such message ?13:14
KhertanAtworkwhat he is talking about : "enablers" ?13:14
w00tthp: ^13:15
w00tzbenjamin: yes13:15
KhertanAtworkw00t, arf ... so the reason is pyOtherSide not available in Nemo Mobile :)13:15
w00tKhertanAtwork: i don't know the reasoning, thp is more familiar with python than I am13:16
KhertanAtworkthp, not busy ?13:16
KhertanAtworkw00t, no problems ... thx13:16
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zbenjaminw00t: currently looking at disabling updates on the homescreen when its not shown to save some cycles. is there already code in lipstick that should do that?13:27
zbenjamini saw a property , called homeActive or homeScreenActive or something like that, but couldn't yet figure out where its used13:27
w00tzbenjamin: define updates13:28
zbenjaminlike painting13:28
w00talready done, see homeapplication.cpp, the hide of the main window stops repaints13:28
zbenjaminhuh ok, because faenil said its still on the todo list13:29
zbenjaminw00t: in there? "void HomeApplication::setUpdatesEnabled(bool enabled)"13:30
zbenjaminbut its not called13:31
w00tit's supposed to be invoked over dbus by mce13:32
zbenjaminew ok, :)13:32
zbenjaminfaenil: ^ ?13:32
zbenjaminabout not repainting homescreen when a application is shown13:33
zbenjaminseems it should work already13:33
faenilzbenjamin, as I said, I haven't played with that code, if w00t says he's there already, well :)13:33
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zbenjaminseems no speed boost for n9 here :(13:36
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zbenjaminw00t: thx for clarifying that13:37
w00toh, erm13:37
w00tI think I have a misunderstanding of what you mean13:38
w00tsetUpdatesEnabled turns off rendering of the entire compositor/screen when the display is off13:38
w00tI think that is not what you meant13:38
faenilw00t, no :)13:38
zbenjaminno i meant when another application is shown, like the adress book, there is no need to repaint homescreen13:38
faenilw00t, in fact I was thinking why would mce have to take care of that :D13:39
w00tyou'd have to look at compositor.qml13:39
w00tset the right layer(s) visible attribute depending on whether there is a top window or a swipe in progress13:39
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zbenjamincompositor.qml? in lipstick-colorful-home?13:41
zbenjaminMainScreen.qml maybe?13:41
w00tnot last time I looked at it13:41
faenilzbenjamin, no, compositor.qml13:41
faenilthe compositor13:41
zbenjaminargh wrong branch ;)13:41
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zbenjaminthere it is13:42
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zbenjaminah: homeActive: topmostWindow == root.homeWindow13:48
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w00tso you want to use homeActive and the swipe progress13:48
zbenjaminok homeActive tells me if homescreen should be the topmost window13:49
zbenjaminbut on a swipe we need to show it too of course13:49
zbenjaminw00t: swipeAnimation.running should work too13:54
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zbenjaminsomething like repaintHomeScreen: swipeAnimation.running || homeActive13:54
w00tvisible: <that> on the layers you want to repaint13:56
w00tvisible: true means "please do repaint this", false means not13:56
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zbenjaminfaenil: i think i got it, but not so much performance boost in fingerterm :/14:42
faenileh :/14:42
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zbenjaminbasically i added this to the homeLayer: root.homeActive || visible: (gestureArea.progress > 0 && gestureArea.progress < 1.0)14:43
zbenjaminthat got mixed up14:43
zbenjaminvisible: root.homeActive || (gestureArea.progress > 0 && gestureArea.progress < 1.0)14:43
zbenjaminfaenil: i think its line 91 for me14:45
zbenjaminif you want to try14:45
faenilzbenjamin, I'm quite busy :/14:45
zbenjaminonly other thing we could do is hide() the compositor window completely but not sure how this would turn out14:46
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zbenjamini bet that would break everything ;)14:48
zbenjaminsince the compositor window is handling the swipe gestures :(14:48
w00tit's also drawing the application.. ;)14:50
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zbenjaminw00t: ouch ;)14:53
zbenjaminright its mapping it to the screen14:54
w00tif you get things right with layering, you shouldn't have much overhead beyond the application draw14:54
zbenjamindid i just make the swiping bug more annoying?14:54
w00tlook into apitrace to see exactly what is being drawn to screen14:54
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zbenjaminok i'll look into it thx14:55
sledgesanyway to enable fps showing in our nemo env?14:55
sledgeszbenjamin: I think tmpfixing the homescreen-freeze bug, has brought back the swiping bug14:55
zbenjaminjust realized that the onGestureFinished slot is never called when the swipe bug occurs14:55
zbenjaminthat looks like there is a mouserelease event missing or something like that14:56
sledgesso hoping that this morning's convo will pave way to fix the touch driver, which is sending duplicate touch events - causing all this havoc (as in jolla phone works fine they say)14:56
zbenjaminyeah its definatley a missing mouse event. onReleased emits gestureFinished14:57
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sledgeszbenjamin: check backlog. what we are getting from the driver apparently is TouchDown TouchDown - TouchRelease TouchRelease (instead of TouchDown - TouchRelease)14:59
zbenjaminw00t: so apitrace would show me if there are multiple layers painted on each other instead of just the one we want14:59
w00tsledges: just read the scrollback - you can look into evdev_trace from mce-tools to see what the kernel thinks is going on14:59
w00tsledges: from there, you go to evdevtouch plugin in qtbase, which feeds touch events (QTouchEvent) into QPA14:59
sledgesw00t: yeap, i was thinking of evtest, but thanks!14:59
w00tevdev_trace -t /dev/input/<device>15:00
sledgesnice, cheers15:00
zbenjaminshowing fps would be nice15:00
w00tzbenjamin: it'll let you walk through everything that happens during a frame, so yes, you'll see anything that is being painted that doesn't make sense15:01
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faenilw00t, I still have to play with apitrace, but how does it work? do you see frames on a GUI on your computer?15:01
faenilso far I've only used apitrace dump15:01
faenili.e. looked directly at calls15:01
w00tfaenil: it saves trace files, which you can look at elsewhere15:01
faenilbut haven't played with the higher levels15:01
faenilw00t, oh I see, must be a lot of fun15:02
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zbenjaminw00t: i guess i cannot attach to a running process right?15:16
zbenjamini have to start lipstick by hand15:16
w00tor use gdbserver15:17
zbenjamingdbserver with apitrace?15:18
w00toh, apitrace, right15:18
w00ttoo many conversations at once15:18
w00tprobably easiest to yes15:18
zbenjaminw00t: ok now i just need to figure out how to start lipstick by hand ;)15:19
rahhow can I build a Nemo image for Allwinner chips?15:21
sledgesrah: start with kernel and uboot15:22
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sledgesfigure out boot mode and medium15:22
sledgesto come up with the proper hardware adaptation repo15:22
sledgesafterwards ensure mer rootfs is running fine on that15:22
sledgessort out GPU drivers, get into graphics mode, Wayland recommended; then run a Qt app (Qt5 recommended)15:23
sledgeswhen all is in place, come up with a kickstart file (.ks) pointing to all needed repos and what packages to install from them, and then you can build an image ;)15:24
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rahsledges: hasn't this all been done?15:27
sledgesfind exact chip you are working on, board name15:27
sledgesand you might find first 5 lines out of my 6 chat lines above already been done15:28
rahsledges: there's a bunch of images here15:28
sledgesrah: 15:27 < sledges> find exact chip you are working on, board name15:28
rahlet me rephrase my question:15:28
sledgesdepends on the silicon you have there15:28
rahhow do I rebuild the Allwinner images that have already been built by others?15:28
sledgesrah: all READMEs are there:
sledgeshope they are there also for your particular board flavour15:30
sledgesand hurray, .ks file is also provided \o/ vgrade you rock!15:31
rahvgrade is silent15:32
rahI don't think he's interested any more15:32
sledgesright, way to go attitude rah ;)15:32
sledgeseverything is on a silver plate, i wish it was that simple when i was doing imx board ;)15:33
rahso I have to install an "SDK"?15:34
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Azelphurfaenil: I've played with QML a little on Ubuntu mobile, but my experience with it is weak :)16:35
AzelphurIs anything working on the Nexus 4 yet?16:37
Morpog_PCsomeone was working on a HW adaption for it16:38
Morpog_PCthings will be easier once Jolla releases instructions for libhybris with Cyanogenmod16:38
Morpog_PCso basically every device that supports Cyanogenmod will work with nemomobile or sailfishos16:39
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Azelphurwow, nice16:39
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zbenjaminsledges: maybe we should put some work into a creator plugin, so we can do compile, deploy, debug from within creator17:13
sledgesmaybe hemera already did half of job :)17:14
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sledgestodo list in nemo is endless, need to set priorities depending from which backgrounds the interest grows the most17:20
locusfis there an official list?17:21
Morpog_PCjust dissect sledges brain17:22
sledgesthere is that on glacier ui  :)17:22
locusfoh yeah17:22
sledgesbut an endless list does not exist officially17:22
locusfwhere is that sharpening glass POC?17:25
locusfI mean in code17:25
Morpog_PCthere is no code17:25
sledgesthere is ;P17:25
sledgesyou have it Morpog_PC17:25
sledgesas in, you have mods to colorful-home to add background17:26
sledgesso is a PoC of the PoC17:26
locusflol :)17:26
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twobobI have question please, it appears that most  arm little endian platforms have gone across to hardfloat, Thus I currently havent managed to find a single filesystem image that implements softfloat.17:28
sledgesbut truly, zbenjamin, the best priority is your passion ;) to just pickup what you like most17:28
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locusfas always with open source projects :)17:29
twobobso my question is what docs do I need to follow to build up an entire working filesystem from scratch.17:29
Morpog_PCyeah, my last passion was to get rid of those ugly old icons :)17:29
sledgestwobob: build one, in a strict nutshell it's as easy as `sudo mic fs mer-armv7l.ks`17:29
locusfmy label is still in review17:30
sledgestwobob: on which hardware though? or you need just a bare rootfs17:30
zbenjaminsledges: yeah ;) just saying it maybe would increase productivity17:30
locusfgotta start scrathing something else17:30
twobobKindle Touch17:30
Morpog_PClocusf, I know you love that trumpet ;)17:30
locusfMorpog_PC: don't start with that :D17:30
zbenjaminthe trumpet _again_ ? really?17:30
sledgeslocusf: true, your PR ended in an unended dispute with faenil about where the styling should take place; thanks for reminding17:30
locusfzbenjamin: its still under implementation17:31
locusfif I'd just get the redraws to work that would be great17:31
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locusffirst time I have gotten a segfault from a QML code btw17:31
locusfsledges: oh ok17:31
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twobobokay, thanks for the feedback. where do I grab  mer-armv7l.ks and also: sudo mic fs mer-armv7l.ks17:32
twobobmic 0.14 (Mer 0.2011 Mer)17:32
twobobmic: unknown command: 'fs'17:32
sledgestwobob: mic create fs17:32
twobobsorry If I'm being dumb , happy to learn17:32
sledgesbut i will give you more details in a bit17:32
twobobk thanks very much, I will try a search for the .ks17:33
sledgestwobob: i will give you steps how to get that ks17:33
zbenjaminwhere does systemd look for service files?17:33
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sledgesit was not a precise command ;) only from top of my head17:33
twobobmy bad sorry17:33
sledgeszbenjamin: root user one - in /lib/systemd/system/17:34
sledgesuser one - /usr/lib/systemd/user/17:34
zbenjaminah thx17:34
sledgestwobob: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_an_image17:36
sledgesreplace the arch with your neede one17:36
zbenjaminnow i know how to start lipstick by hand ;)17:36
zbenjamini hope17:37
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twobobworking on that. thanks17:40
sledgestwobob: have fun17:40
twobobIt turns out I had already done that. must have missed a step17:40
sledgesoki :)17:41
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twobobyup I had indeed missed the reference creation step. doh. thanks sledges17:51
sledgestwobob: no pros; if something still fall over, for nemo (can be downdapted to mer too) we have more elaborate image creation (offering full kickstarter command lines with proper arguments like pkg=zypp etc): https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Creating_Releases#Images17:53
twobobokay. you know. it was list. but I think I have already done that too...17:54
sledges*no probs17:54
twobob:D was bumbling around last night when you lot were all asleep17:54
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twobobThanks so much for your help17:54
sledgeseh, hope it helped, which timezone are you ooi? :))17:55
sledges(or sleep pattern :)17:55
twobob+0 but I was up through the night getting my head around the docs / mer / nemo / sailfish17:55
twobobhave discounted sailfish now - this is the right layer for me I feel17:55
sledgeswell done, your head must be exploding (and our wiki too, needs lots of vacuuming ;))17:56
sledgesstrictly speaking, you discounted the sailfish ui bit ;)17:56
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twobobyeah. I got the mer sdk built etc... and am not really that bothered about making the kindles look exactly like someone elses phone system...17:57
sledges+0 here as well, Bristol :) anywhere near?17:57
twobob2 hours17:57
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sledgestrue, same ole south west :)17:57
twobobAmerican Werewolf in London territory17:57
sledgeshmh, too many Moors in uk then :D17:58
twobobyup :D17:58
twobobI drive really fast17:58
sledgesvery impressive kindle video demo!17:58
sledgeswell join the club of fast and furious, im always late for work :))17:58
sledges(that being the excuse)17:59
sledgescould never thought one can watch a vid on an eink17:59
twobobah thanks :) yeah would like to get wayland working more properly to do the work on the kindles.  This is a preamble to actually trying nemo via libhybris on a generic androind tablet once I had my teeth cut17:59
twobobbut this first. that later18:00
sledgesinstructions to be revealed, in good time for you apparently18:00
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twobobI am waiting on the Blog with bated breath18:00
* twobob wipes sleep from mind, looks at these shiny new reference files , get a very large cup of tea18:03
sledgesmmmm cake :)18:04
twobobooh and cake, good call.18:04
sledgesthat's what +0 is all about apparently (is built upon :))18:04
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twobob:D heck yeah. without Tea, my world may end.18:05
sledges:)) i moved to uk partially because i'd drink tea with milk18:05
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twobobsacrilege in the +5-7 TZ18:06
twoboblemon, or honey with that?18:06
sledgeslooks like your chat lines arrive in LIFO principle :)18:07
twobobhehehe sorry brain is bit non-functioning right now. it'll warm up18:09
sledgesi think it's extrapolating ;P18:09
twobobcertainly excruciating18:09
zbenjaminsledges: i can't get lipstick to start from the commandline, seems its not taking the qpa platform from env18:11
zbenjaminanything special i have to do?18:11
sledgescheck /var/lib/environment18:11
sledgesbut what do you launch differently when by hand?18:12
sledgesyou could pinch that into .service file instead18:12
zbenjaminsledges: using apitrace ;)18:12
sledgesi mean18:12
sledgeshow do you alter cmdline?18:12
faenilzbenjamin, what error do you get and how are you trying to run it18:13
faenildetails pls :P18:13
zbenjaminfaenil: i sourced the environment file18:14
zbenjaminand now i try to start it with /usr/bin/lipstick $LIPSTICK_OPTIONS18:14
faeniland you get dbus error I guess18:14
zbenjaminbut it complains about loading "Failed to load platform plugin "xcb". Available platforms are: "18:14
faeniltry adding -platform eglfs18:15
faeniljust to try18:15
faenilif there's a problem in sourcing18:15
zbenjaminworks :/ but the env var is set18:15
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zbenjaminand i get a mouse18:15
zbenjaminand no icons18:15
faenilzbenjamin, so QT_QPA_PLATFORM is set?18:16
faenilas in QT_QPA_PLATFORM outputs eglfs?18:16
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zbenjaminlol and terminal is inverted18:16
faenilecho $$QT_QPA_PLATFORM18:16
zbenjamin[nemo@localhost ~]$ echo $QT_QPA_PLATFORM18:17
faenilzbenjamin, okay, I gues they don't apply via ssh18:17
zbenjaminah meh :/18:17
faenilthere is also a var for mirroring thing18:17
faenilw00t, wasn't the y-inverted fixed at qtwayland level? ^18:17
sledgeszbenjamin: modifying .service file itself is not an option?18:18
faenilzbenjamin, yeah why don't you just start the service?18:18
zbenjaminyeah ok ok , stop bullying me for doing things different ;)18:18
faenilahah :)18:19
sledges:D you asked for help ;)18:19
faenilzbenjamin, nah it's just that over ssh there is that issue with env vars not being set18:19
sledgesand we had a chat about systemd yesterday, sorry, i know how you feel :))18:19
zbenjaminfaenil: i wonder if it would work in a screen session18:20
faenilzbenjamin, don't know18:20
faenilwe really need to get that stuff fixed in nemo :)18:20
faenilproper env vars in ssh :D18:20
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zbenjaminfaenil: ok in screen it picks up env18:23
sledgesfaenil: shall styling bits be moved out of Label.qml into LabelStyle.qml ? (just like it is elegantly done in Button*.qml) https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/pull/13#discussion_r775607718:23
zbenjaminfaenil: well it also works in ssh if i add export to every line18:23
faenilsledges, not sure ...18:24
faenilsledges, been discussing with w00t that this indirection with styles adds overhead...18:26
faenilso maybe we can avoid that for custom nemo components?18:26
sledgesso button needs to get its style back into one file, if we go down this path? ;)18:27
faenilwe have to respect it for upstream components otherwise changing the env var for controls style wouldn't bring an effect18:27
faenilbutton is not custom, it's qqc control18:27
sledgesnow i start to understand18:27
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sledgesno I'm more wondering about why this works...if LabelStyle doesn't exist in QtQuick.Controls.Styles 1.0 :D18:28
sledges(your quote ^)18:28
locusfI removed it btw18:28
faenillocusf, but, did it work?18:28
faenilI mean, there's no LabelStyle...18:28
locusfI have no clue as the file was empty18:28
sledgesso qqc don't have "Label" control ?18:28
faenilsledges, they have but not exposed iirc, and doesn't have a stlye18:29
faenilprobably no style -> keep internal18:29
sledgesah, ok18:29
faenil(at least in our qqc version that is)18:29
sledgesso is neither custom/private/nor public :))18:29
vgraderah: \o18:29
sledgesmeaning, we can accept this PR now ;)18:30
* faenil watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4K3tsKa1Uc&feature=youtu.be18:30
* sledges bookmarked18:31
vgraderah: what device do you have? Is it supported by https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-boards and https://github.com/linux-sunxi/u-boot-sunxi/blob/sunxi/boards.cfg18:31
vgraderah: if so you should be able to build an image18:31
faenillocusf, why that alignvcenter?18:32
faenilI think text should stay topleft by default, the dev changes that if needed18:32
locusffaenil: copy-paste18:32
faenilfrom where xD18:33
locusfyour button label18:33
sledgesbutton label18:33
faenilah ok :D18:33
faeniloh btw18:33
faenilthe button label is bugged, as you can see in live coding arena18:33
sledgesi like vcenter - as it's the most used in mobiles, so less qml lines to write ;)18:33
faenilit text is wider than the button there's no corrective action applied18:33
faenilsledges, yes I agree, though it's not how it usually works, imho18:34
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sledges:) ?18:35
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faenilI mean, what people are used to18:35
zbenjaminhow do i force systemd to use my new service file? seriously ! this sucks ;)18:35
faenilif they create a text element which is 2000px high, you're not supposed to center the text :P18:35
zbenjaminsystemctl --user daemon-reload  didn't do the trick18:35
faenilzbenjamin, doesn't it just works once you modify the service? :/18:36
w00tassuming it's a user session service, that's what you want.. and then force that service to restart (e.g. systemctl --user restart foo.service)18:36
zbenjaminit just ignores it18:36
faenilw00t, it seems it's not enough18:36
zbenjaminwut Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X1118:37
sledgesfaenil: how many times do you create 2000px height texts and 20px texts? they will see that bug and put property in18:37
faenilare you on nemo?18:37
faenilas in, nemo user18:37
faenilif you are, then you're missing the dbus address env var probably18:37
faenildbus is avaiable to nemo user18:37
faenillocusf, I think it was only user problem in his case :)18:38
locusfwell just in case, that solves it for root too18:38
faenillocusf, but, that's user bus ;P18:39
faenil100000 is nemo id :D18:39
sledgesyou can use systemctl-user18:40
faenilplay wit your own dbus :D18:40
sledgesiirc it was made (by jolla chaps?) to simplify things18:40
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locusfdamn c++11 looks good18:45
locusfI remember doing my c++ studies in 2002, it still reminds me that c++ can sometimes be ugly and incomprehensible18:46
zbenjaminc++11 is nice18:52
zbenjaminlots of good stuff added18:52
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zbenjaminhmpf qapitrace is crashing :/19:02
faenilam I the only one who started programming only 5 years ago? :D19:05
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zbenjamini guess ;)19:08
* zbenjamin started around 200119:08
mike7b4_on_x230Now I fail again create nemo image with Error <repo>: Could not run transaction anyone hint me what that actually means? I have seen it before but cant remember how  to solve it?19:08
locusfI started in 1997 in junior high with Pascal19:08
locusf(not much has improved since then lol)19:08
twobobI started programming in c 18 months ago. FWIW19:10
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faeniltwobob, c rocks :D19:10
faenilI started with c as well19:10
twobobwrote one game for the x box before that in c#19:11
twobobbut that doesnt really count19:11
twobobit was more graphics really19:11
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locusfdamn thats some pro way to do programming tutorials, do you know that guy faenil?19:19
faenillocusf, you mean the c+11 game?19:19
locusffaenil: yeah19:19
faenilno, I don't remember where I found it :)19:19
faenilbut he's italian19:19
faenilclear italian english accent :D19:20
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locusfits not incomprehensible though19:20
faenilyeah, just italian accent :D19:22
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twobobany good reason NOT to build for armv6l when I have armv6l and armv7l as possible targets?19:49
twobobseems like on size fits all would be best19:49
Stskeepswell, only raspberry pi is really armv6l19:50
Stskeepsarmv7l is more optimized19:50
piggzi think i have an armv6 phone19:52
piggzweird .. my mac crashes every time i try and compile qquerytransformparser.cpp19:53
twobobthanks for the feedback. I will go with armv6 and then later do some metrics on amv7 to see if it is worth a dual release19:56
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twobobso, I tred the armv6l option but was getting "damaged rpm" errors, switched over to the armv7l and all is happy for the mer fs create function21:17
twobobWarning: Package xorg-x11-filesystem-7.3-1.1.4.noarch.rpm is damaged: /var/tmp/mic/cache/packages/mer-core/xorg-x11-filesystem-7.3-1.1.4.noarch.rpm21:17
twobobWarning: Package xdg-utils-1.1.0~rc1-1.1.6.noarch.rpm is damaged: /var/tmp/mic/cache/packages/mer-core/xdg-utils-1.1.0~rc1-1.1.6.noarch.rpm21:17
twobobfor future refernece21:17
twobobokay sorry warnings - not errors21:18
sledgesx11 has been going away for a while twobob, you might consider excluding them21:18
Stskeepstwobob: yes shared cache21:18
twobobah okay21:18
twobobwell Ill focus down on 7l for now and go back and look at that "later" then21:19
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twobobnext up. ripped the back off of a kindle touch. and will attach the serial cable I have here and see if I can get some boot diagnostics. Will also try to pare down the bazzilion windows I have open and actually FIND the next steps for making the nemo image >..<21:32
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