Sunday, 2013-12-01

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wazdhello world :)08:37
Stskeepshello wazd08:37
wazdStskeeps: o/08:38
Stskeepshow did you like the jolla launch?08:38
wazdStskeeps: Well, from my point of view it was a pure marvel to watch you guys achieve such heights!08:39
wazdStskeeps: Really amazing08:39
wazdStskeeps: and yes, engadget are useless fags (sorry!) :D08:41
Stskeeps1.0 always sucks :)08:41
Stskeepswe run at a fantastic clock speed though, so things get fixed very quickly08:41
wazdStskeeps: "this gesture system is to complcated without home and back button on the bottom" bullshit08:41
wazdI see tons of iphones with 7.0 every day and it's clear that even stolen multitask system doesn't work08:42
wazdPeople still go to home and tap icons instead08:43
wazdand only use that multitask screen to close apps08:43
wazdStskeeps: do you have any weather app bundled? :P08:44
Stskeepsthis is the thing about jolla devices08:44
Stskeepswe start out with a very basic set: browser, phone, contacts, gallery, camera, settings and store08:44
Stskeepscustomers get an offer to pre-install some apps in startup wizard08:45
Stskeepsrest comes from store08:45
wazdFair enough :)08:45
Stskeepsit kinda levels the playing field, too08:45
Stskeepsin practice, the community can do so much more than a company can do08:45
wazdNo junk pre-installed (stocks?!) :)08:45
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wazdStskeeps: my gf didn't quite like the design (bezels are too wide and stuff) and my explanations about gesture-based UX didn't work, sorry for that :)08:49
Stskeepscan't win them al08:49
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wazdStskeeps: she's just spoiled with xPeria Z :D08:49
tbryes, that appeals a lot to people "comes without crapware"08:50
Stskeepswe should put sailfish on xperia z08:50
wazdThat would be nice :P08:50
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tbroooh it made /.
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piggzfaenil: ^09:04
faenilpiggz, cool stuff :)09:08
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locusfgood job piggz09:14
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wazdfaenil: o/09:22
wazdfaenil: I'm here to serve :D09:23
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zbenjaminpiggz: nice!09:53
tbrpiggz: if you have a clean image, let's put it up on images.formeego.org09:56
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piggztbr: just install nemo and add the jolla repos, zypper ref, zypper in -t pattern jolla-ui-wayland jolla-mw jolla-sailfish-apps09:57
piggzshould just about do it09:57
tbrk. might try later09:58
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piggzgeez, im having trouble keeping up with all the twitter and youtube emails im getting :)10:07
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zbenjamindo we have a howto on installing nemo on a android device?10:14
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zbenjaminlike a nexus s for example ;)10:16
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tbrnot yet, but let's keep kicking Stskeeps about that, something will surface eventually10:18
zbenjaminStskeeps: !10:20
tbrcould someone please have a look what b0rked here:
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locusfany tips on how to make nemo ssu take in the jolla repositories?10:56
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tbr"ssu ar"?11:04
locusfoh its that simple11:04
tbrso, who has access to nemo repos in OBS and can kick some packages to be rebuilt11:07
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locusfhow did you get past the access blocks :p11:10
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locusfcan somebody paste their ssu.ini from nemo :p ?11:15
locusfhmm got forward but copied ssu.ini from Jolla device11:16
locusfpiggz: tbr: how about it ?11:22
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locusfalas I have failed with the N9 File './non-oss/internal/armv7hl/libjollasignonuiservice-qt5-0.0.33-10.7.2.jolla.armv7hl.rpm' not found on medium ''12:00
vgradelocusf: nick it from the sdk repos12:02
locusfah yeah12:02
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locusfgot it running but its quite slow and buggy12:17
Hurrianlocusf: i'm pinning the blame squarely on graphics acceleration issues.12:19
locusfyeah, as always the driver is not the best12:19
Hurrianon my N9, it's... okay enough to use as a daily driver, i suppose12:19
locusfcan't get past the pin query12:20
locusfso removed sim card :D12:21
locusfwont work without sim card12:22
Hurriancan anyone with a real SBJ confirm that it uses MTP for media transfer from PC to phone?12:23
HurrianThe Jolla ;)12:24
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locusflol sure, it uses MTP12:26
locusfdoesn't work in linux though12:26
locusfat least not on ubuntu 13.1012:26
vgradelocusf: very impressive that the stack works this well on ancient hardware, it must fly on a real Jolla12:26
locusfand N9 doesn't run the official Sailfish at all12:27
Hurrianand hey look, it's done on a SGX 530!12:28
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locusfvgrade: you lucky N950 users :)12:28
tbrlocusf: MTP works fine for me12:29
vgradelocusf: whats the issue with N912:29
locusfvgrade: I can't eg type in more than 3 numbers for my PIN without the graphics freezing12:30
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Aardvgrade: the current wayland implementation on n9 sucks a lot12:34
mike7b4_on_x230Aard: help fixit then ;)12:34
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Aardmike7b4_on_x230: it's up to community now. we gave you everything needed to have a wayland stack running there12:38
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mike7b4_on_x230Aard: yes thats my point ;) However I have no clue myself how GFX driver stuff works12:39
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faenilwazd, sorry I was out in the morning :)12:52
faenilwazd, so, are you a graphics guy? or what is your passion about? :)12:55
wazdfaenil: , quite outdated but representative :)12:56
faenilwazd, ok :) so, ever heard of glacier? how much do you know about it?12:57
faenilhave you seen its current state?12:57
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wazdfaenil: heard of it and seen some mockups, don't konw about current state though13:00
faenilwazd, ok..so13:01
faenilthe needed thing at the moment is13:01
twobobnice blog. good read thanks13:01
faenil1) finishing specs for the Glacier UI components13:01
faenil2) after we have specs for all the components, start making mockups of apps13:01
faenil(detailed ones)13:01
faenilwazd, I recommend you start from here13:02
faeniland read all the articles (possible) by clicking on "Next" until you get to the latest post :P13:02
wazdyeah, that's what a saw the last time13:02
faenilit should be less than 20 articles I thnk13:02
faenilwazd, yeah, that's the official graphics blog for Glacier13:02
faeniland you can get up to date with the current status by reading the articles from that one to the latest one13:03
wazdfaenil: sure13:03
faenilwazd, after you're done with that, you can check what has actually been specced here:
wazdfaenil: Actually some time ago I've been working on some fancy UI concepts for Nemo (before Glacier), something like this:13:04
wazd1 state)
wazd2 state)
wazd3 state)
wazdBut I guess I can just leave it for good days :D13:05
faenillooks nice, BB10-ish13:05
wazdfaenil: mostly because I stole their icons :D13:05
faenilahaha that's why :D13:05
wazdfaenil: for concepting purposes13:05
faenilanyway, some specs on that github are missing details which I had to get via IRC13:06
faenilso don't take those too seriously, just write on specs all you think the dev needs to implement the control :)13:06
wazdfaenil: will do13:11
wazdfaenil: ta-da! Web browser concept: :D13:12
wazdfaenil: though I would change things a bit from my current point of view13:14
faenilwazd, did you see the browser concept for Glacier?13:19
wazdfaenil: yep13:19
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piggzlocusf: if the graphics freeze, try updating qt5-qtdeclarative from the unfreeze repo13:33
locusfoh yeah13:34
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piggzi cant add a google account -- the webview doesnt display anything, but works ok for the facebook account13:35
locusfpiggz: that fixed it13:41
locusfthanks !13:41
locusfworks ok now13:41
locusfjust can't login with Jolla account13:55
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piggzlocusf: i can13:55
piggzlocusf: make sure you zypper dup, and downgrade to the jolla versions of everything..thats what let me sign into jolla and store13:56
locusfI always get "something went wrong"13:56
locusfpiggz: okay13:56
piggzyou might have to re-install qt5-qtdeclarative13:56
locusfoh yes and can't reach the device with ssh13:56
piggzreach or login?13:59
locusfand can't activate developer mode14:00
piggzthat happened to me14:01
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piggzthe only way i could fix it was to use the moslo to mount the alt_os partition and modify the shadow file for root14:05
mike7b4_on_x230seems like portrait/landscape is iunverted on n9 with sailfishos14:13
piggzyes, swipe down to close is actually swipe from right ... and maps is confused14:22
mike7b4_on_x230cant login with pw: nemo ? hmm is password changed when install sailfishos over nemo?14:24
tbryou need to enable developer mode and set a password through UI14:27
locusfmy developer mode enabling takes forever14:30
tbrdepends on network connectivity and it takes looooong14:37
tbrit installs fingerterm from store14:37
tbrand does some other stuff apparently14:37
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faeniltbr, devmode won't enable if jolla account is not working14:39
locusfoh its because of that14:40
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tbrlocusf: yeah, you need to have store enabled and working14:47
mricvery interseting topic ! locusf, could you make a short video about sailfish running on the N9 to have an idea of the performance, what is working and what is not ?14:52
locusfmric: not right now as its quite naked14:52
valdur55mric: here is shot video:
mriclocusf, okay okay I understand :)14:54
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mricvaldur55, ok thanks, yeah it is stil quite naked14:56
valdur55but better than nothing :)14:57
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locusfhmm I didn't install libjollasignonuiservice-qt5 without --nodeps15:00
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zbenjaminStskeeps: ping15:41
Stskeepszbenjamin: pong15:41
zbenjaminStskeeps: i need to reinstall my nexus s, any chance to get sailfish on it?15:43
Stskeepsnexus s.. what SoC is that?15:43
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zbenjamin1 GHz single-core ARM Cortex-A815:44
Stskeepslooks feasible, though ram is a bit on the low side15:45
zbenjaminwell it can not be worse as running android 4.x on in15:45
zbenjamin> 4 sec lags15:46
Stskeepshow big is the eMMC?15:46
tbrzbenjamin: start by putting CM10.1 or 10.2 on it15:46
zbenjamini have clockworkmod
zbenjaminand had Cyanogenmod 10.1 but it broke15:46
zbenjamininstalled 10.2 didn't work, downgraded, now bootloop15:47
zbenjamincurrently adp pulling my files :/15:47
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zbenjaminStskeeps: 7Gig15:49
mike7b4_on_x230just wonder what developer files is installed in sailfishos when enable developer mode on nemo n9. I mean could those packages be installed without account access? BEFORE boot sailfish first time?15:49
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tbrmike7b4_on_x230: at least finger term15:51
tbrbut probably more15:51
tbrI guess: jolla-developer-mode-0.3.1-10.12.1.jolla.armv7hl and that probably pulls in other things15:52
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mike7b4_on_x230tbr: fingerterm is installed already (when untar nemo tarball)15:53
zbenjamintbr: so Clockworkmod is on there and also CM whats next?15:55
mike7b4_on_x230so technically it should be possible zypper in jolla-developer-mode or is just that file behind the harbour "firewall"(eg must have account)15:55
zbenjaminhm but the question is how much functionality will the phone have?15:55
Stskeepszbenjamin: you'll want to walk through all aspects of the hw and test it works15:55
tbrzbenjamin: now comes the interesting bit, poke Stskeeps on how to get the libhybris and other layers on top of that :)15:55
tbrmike7b4_on_x230: rpm -qR jolla-developer-mode-0.3.1-10.12.1.jolla.armv7hl15:56
zbenjaminStskeeps: that means ? ;)15:56
mike7b4_on_x230tbr: okey will try but first food15:59
Stskeepszbenjamin: as in establish every type of hw on the device and see if it works15:59
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zbenjaminStskeeps: you mean in Cyanogenmod?16:00
zbenjaminah ok so i'll wipe the device as soon as i have my data backed up16:00
zbenjaminStskeeps: normally everything should work, as i use Cyanogenmod for a year now16:01
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marxistveganhey folks...anyone around? I am testing out the nemo build from November 4th, and 19th and both boot, but the Nemo splash screen obstructs the bottom of the screen...any idea how to get rid of it as it is difficult to navigate16:04
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locusfmarxistvegan: <- see N9/N95016:12
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marxistveganlocusf: i saw that but seem to have an issue with getting terminal to actually run...i will try the more recent version again and see i can get terminal running16:13
marxistveganis that something i could run from telnet?16:14
locusfI don't know16:14
DocScrutinizer05OMG developer mode - sounds like harmattan16:16
StskeepsDocScrutinizer05: yes, it comes with a magnificient technology called aegis too16:16
Stskeepsit's more of a red pill thing though, you choose it, and you get the power of a god16:17
DocScrutinizer05great! the all harmattan devels can use all the BS they had to learn16:17
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Stskeepssettings->developer mode->enable, you get fingerterm; enable ssh and you can devel-su with the password there16:19
marxistveganlocusf: i just realized the Alt_OS directory had a lingering .config folder that i had not deleted that might resolve my problem16:20
StskeepsDocScrutinizer05: and that's full root16:20
locusfmarxistvegan: ok good16:22
DocScrutinizer05yeah thanks, heard exactly *all* that before16:22
DocScrutinizer05must have been 2 years since16:23
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DocScrutinizer05or 316:25
DocScrutinizer05hte big difference - maybe - this time we get manpages?16:25
DocScrutinizer05for crap like devel-su?16:25
DocScrutinizer05no matter how much icing you place on top, you won't convince me of that braindamaged cert based centralized control "security" model16:27
DocScrutinizer05it makes users hostage of OEM16:27
w00twhat cert based centralised control security model..?16:28
DocScrutinizer05wait... aegis?16:28
DocScrutinizer05aegis: , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
tbrDocScrutinizer05: dump your public key in /root/.ssh/authorized_hosts and you're done, ssh as root and you're king of the hill and can break your device in small tiny bits16:29
tbror use devel-su, your choice16:29
StskeepsDocScrutinizer05: i was being sarcastic about the aegis part, fwiw16:29
w00tDocScrutinizer05: how is that relevant in the context of nemo, which doesn't use it (and never has)?16:29
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w00twe never had the kernel side parts, and the bits and pieces in middleware got ripped out over the past year16:30
tbrStskeeps: nice troll *clap* *clap* *clap* :-]16:30
marxistveganlocusf: getting rid of the config file did not seem to resolve this16:33
marxistvegani am trying a the sailfishOS to see if occurs there too16:33
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faenilI think Doc believed Stskeeps when he said it comes with aegis xD16:36
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tbrfaenil: successful troll was successful16:41
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zbenjaminhmpf my radio seems to be broken now :/16:46
zbenjaminno data connections16:46
zbenjaminthat happens if you install a cm update, a whole evening is wasted :/16:47
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zbenjaminStskeeps: seems my phone works again16:55
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* marxistvegan will try again later17:07
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udemzy_anybody here?17:58
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tbrnope, we're just an illusion...18:00
udemzy_lol. i can see18:02
udemzy_whats happening with the glacier UI, when will it be released!18:03
Morpog_MobileWhen it's done18:09
udemzy_how far has it gone. #impatientlywaiting18:11
zbenjaminStskeeps: still here?18:12
Morpog_Mobileudemzy_: like 10%18:13
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ZogG_laptopwho has wiki account with editing abilities?18:22
ZogG_laptopi tryed the latest qt5 image for n95018:23
ZogG_laptopit doesn't work18:23
ZogG_laptopreinstalled few times18:23
ZogG_laptopthe one before *19.tar.bz2 works okay18:23
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wazdfaenil: still here?18:42
wazdor anyone Nemo :)18:43
wazdHow far can I deviate from current Glacier concept described in the blog?18:43
sledgeswazd: hello! what are you up to? :)18:46
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faenilwazd, dinner ongoing :)18:47
wazdsledges: well, ZogG and faenil asked me if I can help with Nemo UI, and here I am :)18:48
wazdsledges: long time no see :)18:48
sledgesvery much long time! welcome back ;)18:51
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sledgeswazd: hows life been treating you? haven't spoken ages :)18:54
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sledgesI remember you doing initial Mer/Artwork on maemo ;) good times18:54
wazdsledges: tough actually, didn't make much money designing things so had to do lots of extremely boring things to stay alive :)18:55
wazdsledges: yeah, artwork still lives on as I see :D18:56
sledgesthat's right :) Nemo bootup splash :D18:56
sledgesgood to see you can shed some time here18:56
sledgesglacier-wise, we are speccing and designing atm:18:56
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wazdsledges: funny I still have in my bookmarks :D18:58
sledges;D i used the wallpaper with sunken nokia's ship, but had to craftly try to resize it for HD res :))18:59
sledgesbrilliant that ship :))18:59
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wazdI remember I promised to re-create it but stuck at finding that ship years later :D19:00
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sledgesyeap haha. well we have dinghy now, full speed ahead ;)19:01
alinhi... is there any try of running mer/nemo on nexus 5?19:02
wazd <- what a tease, same goddamn boat from DIFFERENT angle :D19:02
wazdok, now it should be easy19:04
wazdnow I know the name :)19:04
sledgesalin: we are all standing by for libhybris tutorial, check back soon ;)19:05
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alinsledges: ok19:06
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sledgesalin: if there's CM10.1 or CM10.2, then nemo will run fine:
sledges*for your device, that is19:07
alinsledges: in principle cm11 shall run fine... did not get the time to boot it yet...19:08
wazdsledges: anyway. back to Glacier :) Is the global UX concept finalized and you just need fancy looking elements or I have some rights to change how things work?19:08
alinsledges: video is not available  yet19:08
sledgesalin: worksforme19:09
sledgeswazd: please do introduce innovations, we have set basic guidelines about look and feel, but navigation is not finalised for example19:09
sledgesif you have a proposal, pick that component and spec it out, or just first discuss your idea here19:10
alinsledges: not here... anyhow I see that is for nexus 7... nexus 5 here...19:10
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alinsledges: though if one digs into the settings there is not too much difference19:10
sledgeswazd: we have qwazix as design lead, Morpog_Mobile and sandy_lock as helpers to discuss19:10
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sledgesalin: that's true, everything boils down to what hardware they run on, if only CM11 is available, and not CM10.x, then might involve a 'slight' bit of more tinkering19:11
sledgesbut surely all positive19:11
sledgesno video for n5 yet19:11
ZogG_laptopwazd: sup my man19:12
sledges*sandy_locke <- wazd19:13
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nciked_i thought this was the nemo channel19:14
ZogG_laptopnciked_: ัˆะต ัˆั‹19:14
ZogG_laptopit is19:14
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wazdZogG_laptop: heya :)19:16
ZogG_laptopwazd: howdy :019:16
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frafraI'm trying to install sallifishos ui21:44
frafrabut zypper can't find
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planasbfrafra: << maybe will help21:50
frafrathank you planasb21:51
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frafrathere will be a single image for this in the future?22:05
frafrajolla-xt9 still missing22:07
planasbfrafra: maybe you know .. I'm rebooted mobile and get connect using root22:07
planasb"nemo" password don't work22:08
frafraah, ok22:09
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frafrado you know how to fix this jolla-xt9 problem?22:09
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planasbi'm doing everything like in rzr wiki22:11
frafraok thanks22:12
planasbreboot, open term ; su passwd # nemo22:12
planasbnemo password don't work for me22:12
frafrahave you set up root password before rebooting?22:14
planasbjust installed some jolla packages like described22:15
planasband it somehow changed after installing packages22:16
frafrahow do you managed the auth request?22:17
planasbhaven't done it :/22:17
planasbI skipped so reboot22:17
planasbI thought it will work after reboot22:18
frafraI will try to reboot now22:18
valdur55what is correct platform?22:21
frafraplanasb, I can't login too22:22
planasbI'm trying now to enable development account22:23
frafraI have a strange ui now22:23
valdur55what device are you using?22:23
planasbfrafra: try enable dev acount in settings22:23
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valdur55Me to :D22:23
frafraplanasb, where?22:23
planasbSettings :)22:24
frafraI can't open any application22:24
frafraif I press, I get many "x" under every icon22:25
valdur55Maybe better is just wait for someone's rootfs :)22:25
frafravaldur55, you're right22:26
frafrabut... who is going to do it? :D22:26
valdur55rzr ? :D22:26
frafraI hope so :D22:26
frafragui doesn't work and I can't use ssh..22:27
valdur55Here is nemo's default shadow:
planasblooks it can't enable developer mode for me :) taskbar going forever :)22:31
valdur55planasb: it is usual for beta/alpha testers :) All items doesn't work22:32
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planasbvaldur55: :)22:32
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planasbI now have some kind mixture of sailfiash and nemo :)22:35
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valdur55keep going! :)22:37
frafraI tried to reset root password using telnet and chroot, but it doesn't work22:37
valdur55You should boot into ubiboot and then mount Alt_OS part. And then edit /etc/passwd or /etc/shadows file :)22:38
frafravaldur55, ok I'll try thanks22:39
valdur55It is usual linux...22:39
planasbvaldur55: thanks for suggestion I can login as root :)22:47
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valdur55What happened with adaption repo?22:48
planasbAre you asking me ? I'm not sure .. just following
frafraok it seems working now... trying to finish this installation :22:50
frafra* :)22:50
planasb[|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s)22:51
planasbWarning: Disabling repository 'adaptation0' because of the above error.22:51
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frafrawow! first boot tutorial :D22:56
frafralanguage selected22:57
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valdur55yea. i had same issue.23:00
frafraI have to say that it's really wonderful23:00
valdur55Can you call to your mother ? :D23:00
frafradon't know, doesn't matter :D23:01
valdur55I am updating my system....23:01
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frafravaldur55, screen becames black when I try to call :D23:06
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frafranow ui is not working again23:12
frafrano ssh23:13
frafrano usb0 connection23:13
valdur55reinstall :D23:13
valdur55frafra: planasb join to #n950club23:15
planasbvaldur55: ok23:16
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