Saturday, 2013-11-30

sandy_lockegn qwazix00:02
sandy_lockealmost off to sleep :)00:02
qwazixgood night!00:02
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sledgesnitgh00:04
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twobobminumum kernel version... 2.6.32?01:34
twobobany other minimum versions I should know about? Happy to look at a list...01:34
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twobobminimum kernel version... 2.6.32 right?  sigh wish I knew where to check02:18
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twobobperhaps linux-2.6.33.7.2-rt30 would be a good choice....04:14
twobobhttp://deztructor.blogspot.fi/2012/10/nemo-mobile-kernel-is-rebased.html04:17
twobobso if I understand correctly the --copy-kernel would come from the 7hf stuff..04:21
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sledgesjood morning09:22
dm8tbrhey joood09:22
sledgesdont make it baad09:23
sledges(sheep?)09:23
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faenilo/10:02
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Morpog_qwazix, can you give us rights to moderate comments also for posts not written by ourselves? There are 2 comments i would like to Approve but cannot10:08
Morpog_sandy_locke, I like the post and the ideas within. I just didn't comment yet, as we already spoke about those in here ;)10:09
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mike7b4_on_x230I guess swipe still broken in nemo?11:18
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vgrademike7b4_on_x230: morning11:19
mike7b4_on_x230vgrade: hi11:19
vgrademike7b4_on_x230: how do you mean broken?11:20
mike7b4_on_x230can't swipe in nemo atleast not when using NemoWayland kickstart file? (on n9)11:20
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vgrademike7b4_on_x230: there was issue I think but seem to recall it did not happen on every boot11:22
faenilvgrade, there are touch handling issues in nemo11:22
faenilbbl people11:22
mike7b4_on_x230I guess I have to use this: zypper ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/sledge:/my:/qt:/devel/mer_qt_armv7hl/ unfreeze but problem is no network working in nemo because I can't activate wifi dooh11:24
vgrademike7b4_on_x230: have you tried usb network11:25
vgradehttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking11:25
mike7b4_on_x230ahh11:25
mike7b4_on_x230:)11:26
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mike7b4_on_x230so packagekit will now replace zypper? so hgowto search for non installed packages? like zypper search command? "pkcon search name" seems only search for installed packages?12:22
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mike7b4_on_x230howto*12:24
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Aardmike7b4_on_x230: pkcon search name shows non-installed as well12:38
Aardon a fresh image you don't have repo metadata, though, so you might need to do pkcon refresh first12:39
mike7b4_on_x230Aard: ahh I see.12:41
mike7b4_on_x230pcon should have shortnames as zypper has. zypper se/in and so on... :)12:42
tbralso there are more options than just 'name'12:42
mike7b4_on_x230pkcon*12:42
tbrsearch [name|details|group|file] [data]12:42
mike7b4_on_x230tbr: yep12:42
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Stskeepstwobob: how's the eink hacking going?12:52
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twobobgot a kexec modified kernel loaded, got the point where I figured out a kernel that I want to topload,12:56
twobobFATAL: kernel too old    was making my life tough ;)12:56
twoboblinux-2.6.33.7.2-rt30    is what I am going to go with12:57
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twobobhowever - in other news shiny white generic "tablet" came though door this morning No Name Android 4.2   - so... I'm distracted12:58
twobobwishing there were some libhybris instructions "In the wild" ;)12:59
Stskeepshehe12:59
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twobobtime to magic up a new kernel when I get a moment. the libc /kernel combo is too ancient on the kindle (by ONE revision on the kindle touches sigh!) to move forward without extra work13:01
twobobso fun fun fun13:01
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mike7b4_on_x230hmm howdo I start an UI app from terminal in wayland? eg DISPLAY=:0 not work?13:23
Morpog_add this:13:24
Morpog_-platform wayland13:24
mike7b4_on_x230Morpog_: thanks13:27
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twobobany clues I should be aware of that ARE out there for libhybris?14:04
twobobI checked out the github project of course14:04
tbrthey have an IRC channel, but it's fairly silent14:06
twobobk14:07
tbrif you're persistent enough maybe Stskeeps will give you some hints :)14:08
twobobthanks very much for that anyways, appreciate the info14:08
tbror one of the other people there14:08
twobobI am nothing if not persistent14:08
twobobwell, it will be 3 hours before I can turn the thing on anyways...14:08
twobobseemingly the airlines are picky about shipping bombs, go figure14:08
tbrI can't confirm that. I travel regularly with way more lithium-ion cells than recommended...14:09
twobob:D14:12
tbronce they just asked me to open the side pocket full of 18650 cells. told them "those are batteries" opened and the security lady was like "oh yeah, that's just fine".14:13
twobobheh14:13
twobob"not knives or nothing"14:14
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locusfI guess I have to postpone Glacier UI development on Jolla because of the potential breakage, will wait that I can purchase a dev device14:58
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Stskeepslocusf: hopefully we'll get a little closer to it being hacker friendly, such as ability to restore to certain snapshots14:59
locusfStskeeps: wow, that would be great :)14:59
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* Sfiet_Konstantin wonders why Sfiet_Konstantin is writing useless C++ project code instead of thinking about improvements for social plugin16:56
sledgesStskeeps: locusf: would dual booting be possible?17:10
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Stskeepssledges: probably, but as with any device, if you break it, you get to keep both pieces18:25
* timoph decides not to do a joke about the other half :p18:28
Stskeepsok, -four- pieces18:29
Stskeeps:P18:29
timoph:)18:29
Stskeepstimoph: you got a jolla right?18:29
timophyeah18:29
timophdidn't see you at hki though18:29
timophwas busy partying?18:30
Stskeepsi was out to walking the queue but the conga express hasn't arrived from helsinki18:30
Stskeepsplus i didn't demo18:30
timophgot to tease cybette and lbt though :)18:30
lbttrue!18:31
timophoh. and I talked with lbt about doing a batch of mer shirts18:31
timophdevaamo is willing to handle printing the shirts for finnish people18:31
locusfwill buy one if available :)18:31
timophat least one batch18:32
timophthere seems to be quite a lot of interest for those18:32
timophso if mer project doesn't have anything against that we could do a small batch of shirts here18:33
Stskeepsno objection from me at least18:34
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timophcool18:34
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DocScrutinizer05otential breakage? :-o19:45
DocScrutinizer05+p19:45
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DocScrutinizer05dedicated self destruction again, like on N9?19:47
Stskeepsnah, that takes too much effort19:50
DocScrutinizer05right, pretty twisted config with all those certs19:50
DocScrutinizer05so except of deleting certs, what else could break on a device when you screw up during sw development?19:52
DocScrutinizer05I thought something like coldflashing would be a standard feature nowadays19:52
DocScrutinizer05ok, you could try and cook the CPU19:54
DocScrutinizer05pretty non-trivial19:54
DocScrutinizer05honestly I hope jolla doesn't employ BustZone[TM] again19:59
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bill_klpdhey guys what's up!20:12
DocScrutinizer05>> These applications are validated by the device OEM to ensure quality, << (from http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/trustzone/index.php) -- wrong approach20:14
DocScrutinizer05evidence: none of this exists on PCs (yet) - and everybody in FOSS community hopes it will never change20:18
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DocScrutinizer05or in short: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbS_lDJuJg20:21
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ZogG_laptopnemo shuting down screen looks better than bootup one21:11
ZogG_laptopin my opinion21:11
ZogG_laptopmuch more clear21:12
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faenilZogG_laptop, yes, we know :)21:21
faenilMorpog_, ^ how did it end with the bootup screen? I remember you tried to change it weeks ago?21:21
ZogG_laptop:)21:22
ZogG_laptopyou can ask wazd to make you new one based on shutting down21:22
ZogG_laptopafter all he did it :)21:22
ZogG_laptopfaenil: do you have nemo on your jolla already ?21:23
ZogG_laptop:)21:23
ZogG_laptopis the latest img of wayland nemo on wiki working?21:25
Morpog_Mobilefaenil: just needs a package changed21:25
faenilZogG_laptop, nope, don't have time to play with that :( I work at day, and university stuff in the evening (and I'm not evening doing university stuff at the moment)21:26
faenilZogG_laptop, yeah we've got few graphics designers already ;)21:26
faenilbut if he wants to contribute, he's welcome of course :)21:27
ZogG_laptopi think he always wanted and tried to21:27
faenilah cool :) I've never seen him here in the last year honestly21:28
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: let me ping him :)21:34
faenil:)21:34
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wazdwoo? :)22:16
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faenilwazd, o/22:31
wazdfaenil: heya :) Long time no see :)22:35
faenilwazd, indeed :)22:35
faenil(sorry watching movie with gf, bbl :P )22:36
wazdfaenil: np, cause it's quite late in here so I'd rather discuss things tomorrow :P22:36
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