Wednesday, 2013-12-18

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qwazixI got my jolla \o/00:27
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merlin1991yay qwazix00:33
qwazixI like it so far00:33
qwazixA tad too complex swipes but otherwise I love the clean text-only style00:34
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qwazixand since there's locusf's evernote client I think I might survive without android support00:34
w00tqwazix: welcome to the fold00:36
qwazixw00t, nice to be here :-)00:36
merlin1991I'm trying to make sense of https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework there is a maliit-framework subfolder and also a git subtree upstream00:37
merlin1991which is used in the for the package that is built?00:37
specialmerlin1991: it's subtree packaging00:37
qwazixw00t, first time that I'm so excited about a gadget since I first got N90000:37
specialmerlin1991: short version: the maliit-framework folder is what's built; the submodule points to the upstream it's based off of00:38
specialmerlin1991: there are patches on top of maliit-framework, and subtree merges are used to update and rebase those patches00:38
merlin1991I guess I better read up on subtree docs00:38
specialwell, if you're just building it, or adding patches, you don't need to worry about it00:39
specialif you want to update from upstream it's ..more fun.00:39
merlin1991I'm mostly interested because I'm thinking about how todo my packaging for an application so that I have nemo / sailfish packainging all independend of the actual source00:39
merlin1991so I guessed there might be a reuseable example here00:40
specialwe use subtrees for cases where we have lots of patches on top of an upstream00:40
specialif there aren't (m)any patches, submodules are easier to deal with00:40
specialhttps://github.com/nemomobile-packages/telepathy-gabble is a submodule example00:40
merlin1991does tar_git handle both transparently?00:41
specialyes00:42
specialif you look at that .spec, "%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}/%{name}"00:42
specialthe /%{name} is the submodule directory00:42
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merlin1991what do you suggest for keeping nemo and sailfish packaging inside a single packaging repo, oprhaned branches, subdirectories or should I just go for 2 repos?00:47
specialwell, for everything where nemo is the upstream, we just put the packaging in the same repository. so much easier.00:49
specialotherwise, a branch would be a simple solution00:50
specialsubmodule/subtree seem unnecessary for your case00:50
merlin1991I'm thinking about my own stuff, where I'd like to at least keep the source clean from packaging files in one repo, and then have the packaging in another repo00:50
specialif it is a separate repository entirely, then a submodule might not be bad00:51
specialjust mildly annoying00:51
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merlin1991what is the preferred place for user qml in nemo? /usr/lib/qt5/qml/$companyurl/$application/$file like ie qmlgallery or /usr/share/$application/qml/$file like voicecall-ui01:20
special/usr/lib/qt5/qml is for imports01:22
specialthe stuff qmlgallery installs there is intended to be imported and used by other applications01:22
special/usr/share should be used for anything application-specific01:22
merlin1991ah okay so it's just a coincidence that a few of the nemo qml apps drop imports there01:23
specialthat's just how they do shared components01:23
merlin1991... what I wanted to say :)01:24
merlin1991that leaves one last question for me, qrc or files in /usr/share?01:25
specialpersonal choice. /usr/share is easier for editing on device and arguably faster01:26
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niqtmorn ing07:38
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stephgmorning!08:21
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wazdheya people08:28
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stephgword!08:30
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coderusmerlin1991: with qrc your app will use more virtual memory to keep whole qrc in memory, since it compiled to binary :) if placed outside everything okay. reasonable using qrc if over 1000 files inside resources. if speedup installation/removal process multiple times.08:49
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notmartlbt_: ping10:18
notmartsledges: moved most of the packages on tar_git in the end10:18
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sledgesnotmart: \o/ fantastic, because we'd like to stay away from SRs (though HA repos were still a sore spot)10:27
notmartjust have a copule of packages that are still just hand made10:28
notmartone that is exactly one file10:28
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notmartone that has a git submodule in the git repo that sould be packaged10:28
notmart(would work a submodule within a submodule?)10:28
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notmartvgrade: ping10:33
sledgesnotmart: Stskeeps can create it, can you tell him the directory structure needed?10:35
sledgesand permissions10:35
notmartStskeeps: if you can, would be nemo:devel:hw:allwinner:a20:eoma68 (and usual testing and stable)10:38
notmartif someone can test if it work on something else like a cubieboard (/me does puppy eyes to vgrade) it may even lose the :eoma68 part10:39
sledgesnotmart: would your BSP (board support package) repo enable all eoma68 peripherals to work correctly? would it also do the same for cubieboard for its on board peripherals?10:40
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sledgescurrently (for nokia n9xx) we have one kernel package per board (for differing config files), even if it comes from same kernel git repo (but different tag/branch/+set_of_patches - per board)10:42
notmartsledges: is now tested with an improv http://www.makeplaylive.com/#/open-hardware/improv/discover , so a different module card may be different, but yeah all on that works, plus it has support for some other peripherals not there like wifi and touchscreen10:43
notmart(the eoma68 is a board that attaches to another that gives optional extra hardware)10:43
sledgesthen im quite confused what we should split, what refactor, in allwinner case.10:44
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notmartif it stays hw:allwinner:a20:eoma68 should be fine10:44
notmartsince we want to have a single kernel for all the supported expansion boards10:44
sledgesi'd vote to move packages that are sure not to change (strongly oppose that would be kernel/devicetrees/uboot) to allwinner:ax0-common: for better re-use, but do the rest per-board10:45
sledgesand now just create hw:allwinner:a20:eoma68, and when a new board comes along, refactor what's common10:45
sledgesto the parent level10:45
notmartthat's fine for me as well10:46
sledgesoki10:46
sledgeswaiting for Stskeeps then10:46
sledgeswe'll need cibot and notmart as maintainers there, i gather10:47
notmartyep10:47
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sledges:$ should've discussed this on #nemomobile-porters11:01
* sledges just cut the branch he sat on :))11:01
sledgespardon :)11:01
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coderushow to read boot log? system failed to startup, and i see no syslog file11:20
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sledgescoderus: journalctl11:23
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DocScrutinizer05is there a rationale why we again need something new instead of syslog?11:58
DocScrutinizer05please don't say "because the logs are stored to sqlite now" :-D11:58
DocScrutinizer05or... to **tracker**?? :-O11:59
StskeepsDocScrutinizer05: because lennart poettering said let there be journald11:59
DocScrutinizer05lol, I thought as much12:00
DocScrutinizer05I hinestly wonder when this crap will get called poettux12:01
coderussledges: shows nothing :(12:01
DocScrutinizer05honestly even12:01
coderussledges: i chrooted to nemo12:01
DocScrutinizer05maybe linux community could start a crowdfunding project to hire a fulltime psychiatrist?12:03
DocScrutinizer05I bet that's remediable. Just find some other stuff he can mess up12:04
DocScrutinizer05aaah probably systemd been not bloated enough, so they decided to complement it with journalctl, eh?12:06
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Stskeepsand networkd on top12:07
DocScrutinizer05lol12:07
DocScrutinizer05yeah, seems I guessed right. systemd-journalctl12:08
sledgescoderus: it's volatile12:08
DocScrutinizer05of course systemd can't log to syslogd12:08
DocScrutinizer05just too boring12:08
DocScrutinizer05my linux system 6 years ago been faster and rock solid compared to the mess they offer today12:10
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coderussledges: violatile? what you mean? o_O12:18
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sledgescoderus: it disappears after reboot12:19
DocScrutinizer05probably an ├╝bersmart design of systemd to log to a buffer in ram12:20
DocScrutinizer05more ram usage = more importance12:20
sledgesto log a buffer under tmpfs, because you don't want to eat your NAND12:20
sledgescan be done to log to mmc, for debugging purposes only12:21
sledges(will need to do that soon, coderus already in need :))12:21
DocScrutinizer05I'm eating my NAND since 4 years now, 24/7. with syslogd. No negative effects seen12:22
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wazdhello all12:23
sledgesthat's nothing to do with systemd/syslogd, is how you construct your embedded system http://elinux.org/images/c/c2/Csimmonds-end-of-embedded-linux.pdf slide #1212:23
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sledgeshi wazd12:24
notmartStskeeps: as i was discussing with sledges, would be possible to have repositories for hardware adaptation of allwinner stuff under nemo: ?12:24
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DocScrutinizer05sledges: I don't see why I need to read that URL12:25
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DocScrutinizer05I think i know to build embedded systems12:25
Stskeepsnotmart: yes, just in meetings day today, will be a couple of hours12:25
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notmartStskeeps: maybe we can talk about it later today when they are done?12:26
Stskeepsyes12:26
notmartcool :)12:26
Stskeepsjyst prod me12:26
notmartok, will ping again in 2-3 hours12:27
shenteyhi, is this todo list still up to date? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project#TO_DO_list_for_kernel_update12:27
sledgesHurrian: ^ ?12:28
shenteyit seems to me that cellular modem drivers (cmt) and device tree tasks are already finished12:28
DocScrutinizer05Stskeeps: see, poettering claims we don't need /usr anymore since every system has 700GB /-fs nowadays. I claim I don't care somce I know I got only 1GB but I know about its write-cycle endurance12:29
DocScrutinizer05s/somce/since/12:29
Hurriansledges: yep, looks like the newest pulls from filippz fixed them12:29
sledgesshentey: ^ :)12:29
HurrianIIRC the only problem now is charging, because of BME12:29
Hurrianthe device straight up reboots when charging starts12:29
DocScrutinizer05oops, and ETAB. sledges of course12:30
shenteysledges, Hurrian: thx :)12:30
shenteycan somebody knowing update the wiki then?12:30
sledgesisn't the bme bit what coderus is working on?12:30
Hurriancoderus was working on BME interfacing with statefs, not the kernel :(12:30
sledgesah true12:30
shenteyis BME a binary blob?12:31
DocScrutinizer05yes, and a buggy blob12:31
DocScrutinizer05full of cruft and nonsense12:31
shenteydoes anybody of you attend the Chaos Communication Congress this year?12:31
shenteyI'm wondering if I should go there to meet some of you guys ;)12:32
shenteyI'd like to get into kernel development, so I'm looking for a way to get started12:33
Hurrianside note: finally got a new GPU, I can start working on stuff again this Christmas break ;)12:33
faenilHurrian, so somebody wrote the device tree for 3.5? :)12:33
DocScrutinizer05get this silly little script and forget about bme: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post65827812:34
Hurrianfaenil: filippz's commits fix most of it, volume buttons aside12:34
faenilHurrian, awesome, have to check that out12:34
Hurrianvolume buttons should literally be a 2-line commit, but I CBA to git clone right now12:34
faenilso we're close to having 3.5.3 working for nemo?12:34
sledgesHurrian: new GPU not for gaming? ;D12:34
DocScrutinizer05shoukd work on N950 and N9 as it does on N900 since years12:34
Hurrianfaenil: CTRL+F for the VOL UP keys in the rm696 and rm681 board configs - just copy 'em over ;)12:35
Hurriansledges: bought a gaming GPU to justify the empty space inside my mid tower :P12:35
faenilHurrian, can't atm, quite busy :P12:35
coderussledges: lol :D and i cant know why system cant boot? :D12:36
Hurriani don't think i've exceeded the "power saving" clock of 50MHz core in the past 24 hours :D12:36
sledgescoderus: no ssh?12:36
sledgesover usb12:36
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coderusHurrian: what? device reboots when charging starts? :D12:38
Hurriancoderus: on 3.5 kernel, if BME is started, device reboots when charging starts12:38
coderussledges: no, usb is not initalized :(12:38
Hurriansolution is not to use BME while people figure out how to dump power straight into battery12:38
coderusHurrian: ah, okay.12:38
Hurrianiirc there was some investigation done in I2C interface on N9/50, it might help with an open bme replacement12:39
sledgescoderus: then we need to change systemd parameters to log to flash (you can do this via chroot to nemo, ask in #systemd where to change what, I never done that)12:39
DocScrutinizer05of course you're free to improve the very basic (and possibly even not what you want) line `` while [ $(i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x00) = 0x90 ] ┬┤┬┤12:40
wazd4 everyone except sledges :D : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Nemo/Logo/wallpaper_WIP_1.jpg <- what do you think guys? :)12:40
deztructorDocScrutinizer05: no, bme is not buggy, at least one used in harmattan (nemo bme is older), in harmattan it is almost rock solid12:42
DocScrutinizer05shadowjk been more diligent than me and created charge21.sh, which might be a great baseline to build on12:42
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DocScrutinizer05rock solid != bugfree12:43
deztructorDocScrutinizer05: almost bug free12:43
DocScrutinizer05for (;;); is rock solid12:43
deztructorDocScrutinizer05: have you seen _almost_ above?12:43
DocScrutinizer05bme is full of cruft, and I've seen it accessing register 40 in a I2C chip that has only 5 registers12:44
deztructorDocScrutinizer05: are you talking about harmattan bme?12:45
DocScrutinizer05bme been lucky here - the chip mirrors the registers12:45
deztructoror n900 (fremantle) one?12:45
DocScrutinizer05I bet they are almost identical12:45
deztructorDocScrutinizer05: no, you are wrong :p they are significantly different12:46
DocScrutinizer05after all Nokia afaik heavily patched bme to run under HARM12:46
faenilwazd, xmas wallpaper? :D12:46
deztructorDocScrutinizer05: this is your myths, bme was rewritten for harmattan12:46
DocScrutinizer05ohwow, why didn't they simply nuke it?12:47
wazd@faenil: sorta :)12:47
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't do anything useful anyway12:47
deztructorand has a little in common with fremantle ones12:47
faenilwazd, cool :)12:47
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deztructorDocScrutinizer05: ic, you are a storyteller :p12:48
deztructoryou know so much about bme12:48
deztructorand about what it does12:48
DocScrutinizer05honestly a >>while [ $(i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x00) = $OK ] ; do    sleep 10;    i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; done << is all that bme is basically doing12:49
DocScrutinizer05or rather, all it *needs* to do. I said it's full of cruft12:49
DocScrutinizer05ok, it also does some less nifty battery status monitoring to report to HAL about charge% and voltage12:51
deztructorDocScrutinizer05: you can imagine whatever you want. I do not want to convience people in anything who are so "clever" they know what application should do beforehand w/o knowledge of underlying hw and requirements12:51
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deztructorlive with it12:51
DocScrutinizer05osts me another oneliner to implement that in shellscript12:51
DocScrutinizer05particularly on N9(50) where the battery gauge is really a smartass chip12:52
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vakkov_n900agetty[627]: /dev/ttyS0: not a character device13:54
vakkov_n900does anybody have an idea why would i get that in the logs13:55
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filip__shentey, sledges, Hurrian: hi all - 3.5 fixes haven't been pushed to github (project maintainer is to busy to to review them)15:09
filip__so if anyone needs them I can push them to my fork15:09
filip__someone should update wiki to reflect things that are fixed15:10
filip__as for charging (Hurrian) N9 doesn't reboot immediately15:10
filip__it charges OK, but reboots when something is plugged into USB and goes "to sleep"15:10
filip__soemone with working serial port (Hurrian?) should look into it15:11
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notmartStskeeps: ping15:24
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valdur55coderus: battery loading affects dialing sound in sfos.22:21
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valdur55When i start call, then there is 2 sec loudspeaker and then it will be normal.22:22
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