Friday, 2013-12-20

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Matheushi, everyone00:39
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: thanks. I honestly wonder who made designers believe the user most urgently wants to see the *call history* when opening "the phone"03:13
DocScrutinizer05*I* regularly want to *call*03:14
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M4rtinKwell, it might show it if there was a missed call03:19
M4rtinKbut showing it every time might not be good03:20
M4rtinKwell, you could use it to call frequently called numbers03:20
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DocScrutinizer05m4rtink: calling frequently used numbers is best done via contacts or via shortcut on desktop (if you have something like a desktop ;-P)06:48
DocScrutinizer05redialing is best done via the actual dialer by pressing the "green" button without entering a number, which should pop up the history of outbound calls with most recent call highlighted so a second hit on green button would redial last dialed number06:49
DocScrutinizer05or you pick an older entry via clicking on it, or select it by scrolling down by whatever UI means the GUI provides, like joystick, volume rocker, orientation gesture, whatever. Then select the highlighted entry as usual by pressing green button06:51
DocScrutinizer05ideally such input means like volume rocker also open the call history when done on empty number input field, just like green button06:54
DocScrutinizer05number input in dialer also should start a search of number as well as all possible T9 ascii representations of your input in call history and contacts, and present the aggregated search results under the actual number input field, so you can select one of the found entries06:56
DocScrutinizer05so when I want to call robert stallman, I type "7pqrs", "6mno", "2abc" on the numeric pad, then tap on "robert stallman: 001-800-9876543" entry in the list under the number input field that has "762" at that moment06:59
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DocScrutinizer05a day later I could as well type "9", "8", "7" to the number input field and the search would find "robert stallman: 001-800->>_9_8_7_<<6543" from outbound call history as well as contacts for me and show it in the list under the input field07:02
DocScrutinizer05oooh, and of course there shuld be a speed-dial behind each of the 10 digit keys, either via long-press or via entering just one digit as "number" and then pressing green button07:08
DocScrutinizer05assuming there never is a valid real phone number consisting of only one digit07:08
DocScrutinizer05(re "frequently called numbers")07:09
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DocScrutinizer05for dialing SIM phonebook entries there's a de facto standard that's somewhat extended speed dial: for the entries 01 .. 99 of SIM phonebook you enter <nn>"#" and then green button07:12
DocScrutinizer05assuming that "nn#" with n=[0..9] never is any valid SSC or USSD07:13
DocScrutinizer05#nn#, *nn# and *#nn# would be valid SSC07:14
coderusmerlin1991: seems so07:15
coderusn950-plymouth-start-update.service loading failed07:15
coderusand i dont see any splashscreens while loading :D07:16
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DocScrutinizer05technical sidenote: start fulltext search of T9-ASCII-equivalent and number-substrings in contacts and call history only after at least 2 chars/digits enetered to number input field. Don't include results form any of the sub-domians (contacts, history...) until the results from that subdomain are <threshold (maybe 20, maybe 5). Consider sorting order of results according to most-recently-used instead of ascii-sorting or whatever07:23
DocScrutinizer05threshold and sorting order details shall be user-configurable in "settings"07:24
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DocScrutinizer05delay start of above mentioned search after entering of second digit for 1s, to allow user maybe entering a 3rd digit thus obsoleting the heavy search on 2 significant chars only. With 3 chars serchstring the search is significantly less heavy and result count much lower, and thus a delay of search start isn't needed after 3rd char entry07:37
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sandy_lockeif someone aware of Jolla development read this11:43
sandy_lockeI need to know the place where I can follow card/caldav development for the Jolla phone11:44
Stskeepsprobably mkcal and kcalcore11:44
sandy_lockehi Stskeeps :)11:44
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sandy_lockethose are/will be embeded into Sailfish ?11:45
Aardsandy_locke: caldav will come first, carddav later11:45
Aardsandy_locke: will happen as buteo plugins11:45
sandy_lockemmmh, it's always like that :P11:46
sandy_lockeI would have prefered carddav first ;)11:46
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sandy_lockeAard: and it will be embeded into the OS or will I need to install the plugin ?11:46
Aardsandy_locke: it will be an plugin, but it'll be easy to install.11:47
Aardsandy_locke: all opensource, so if you help us hacking a carddav plugin it'll be there earlier :p11:47
sandy_lockeok, thanks11:47
sandy_lockewell, I'd love to, but I may not be up to the task ;)11:47
sandy_lockeI'm just learning Qt development11:48
sandy_lockebtw Aard, where can I follow this buteo plugin development ?11:48
sandy_lockea github repo or sth ?11:49
Aardit'll go in here soon
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sandy_lockethx Aard11:50
sandy_lockebtw, is there not sth to do with syncevolution sources to hack a carddav plugin, Aard ?11:51
Aardwe're not using syncevolution11:51
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istohAard: Any estimate on the calDav schedule?11:52
istohThe Git is basically empty for now...11:53
Aardwe currently have the stuff in -- but we'll merge it soon11:54
istohThanks, I was scared it would be longer thant that...11:54
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sandy_lockeAard: istoh : As I see from the sources in the last link above, caldav plugin is almost finished, no ?12:01
Aardsandy_locke: yes12:01
sandy_lockeat least, all the basics are here12:01
sandy_lockethat's good12:02
sandy_lockehope to have gained more skills to help for carddav plugin next year12:03
sandy_lockeit's basically the only thing that prevents me to go for a Jolla right now12:03
DocScrutinizer05Aard: since you are around: is a SIP client planned to get integrated into the stock dialer? or - duh - is it already there and I missed it?12:04
AardDocScrutinizer05: yes. and the sip dialer is already integrated, but not yet hooked up to accounts -> so you don't see it ;)12:04
DocScrutinizer05aaah, thought as much12:05
DocScrutinizer05couldn't think of you guys missing out on it ;-)12:05
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DocScrutinizer05Aard: if you're maybe interested to get some suggestions for dialer_version++: my thoughts as of and ff are CC-BY-CA and consideration much appreciated12:09
DocScrutinizer05though of course I'd prefer to see them getting used in a FOSS implementation12:11
DocScrutinizer05umm, maybe that's been to onscure >>...input field that has "762" at that moment<<  "762" = "ROB" T912:16
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DocScrutinizer05"7pqRs", "6mnO", "2aBc"12:17
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DocScrutinizer05so typing "762" finds me "ROBert stallman" among other entries12:18
DocScrutinizer05could also find "SMAck"12:19
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DocScrutinizer05and "the_RMA_l-bath"12:21
DocScrutinizer05fulltext search on all fields. Maybe make the fields to search configurable12:21
DocScrutinizer05via settings12:22
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah, and don't forget translitterations like "ue" for "ü" etc12:23
DocScrutinizer05or simply treat "ü"="u"12:25
DocScrutinizer05I think that's what T9 does12:25
* DocScrutinizer05 sighs at microSIM. No way this 12 years old SIM gets cut up and destroyed (at least not before it got cloned)12:34
DocScrutinizer05Aard: what does the mechanical switch operated by TOH notch?12:35
DocScrutinizer05Aard: is it the SIM card-detect switch?12:35
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coderusis there are sudo for nemo or smth?13:21
coderusi'm tired to login as root everytime i want to install package13:21
sledgesmer provides su only (i think it's thanks to some POSIX and/or a set of licences its closely following)13:22
sledgeshaven't heard anyone setting up sudo13:22
sledgescoderus: happy days:
sledges(stick to :devel: as per the rest of your environment: )13:25
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amonklooks to me like nemo and sailfish both need their own partitions, but the "instructions" I find have each using a single Alt_OS partition (/dev/mmcblk0p4).  Further, it looks like initrd-moslo usually does automagic Alt_OS repartitioning.  Any pointers on how to manually create a *p4 and *p5 to multi-boot these OSs?  Is it just parted shrink *p3 and then create them?  And how much space does nemo need?  TIA14:37
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amonkFYI... I have a 64GB Nokia N9.14:38
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sandy_lockeamonk: I don't think it's possible to boot into a 5th partition15:21
sandy_lockeonly 4 primary partitions can be created15:21
sandy_lockeand you can't boot an extended partition AFAIK15:22
sandy_lockebut I can be wrong15:22
sandy_lockethe workaround would be to put nemo or sailfish in a folder in ROOT partition like Nitdroid at the moment15:23
sandy_lockebut I don't know any article that describe this kind of process15:23
sandy_lockeyou could try, following nitdroid installation and adjusting for nemo or sailfish15:24
sandy_lockeand then post any successful attempt somewhere, describing how you did it15:24
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amonkWell, ubiboot "instructions" indicate one can install them both, along with the nitdroid/firefoxos subdir installs, but I am seeing this conflict, all the same.  Unfortunately, the available docs are more fragmented and shitty than usual. :-/  I'm working on it anyway though, because I want both nemo and sailfish on it. :)15:36
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sledgesamonk: which partition to boot from, is written in kernel command line arguments15:43
sledgeslike root=/dev/mmcblk0p415:43
sledgesfor nemo kernel15:43
sledgesyou should be able to find those in ubiboot.conf15:44
sledgesi see no reason why booting from extended partition would fail (worth a try that is :))15:44
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amonksounds good.  where exactly is the repartitioning done in nemo?  i'd like a look at it first.  thanks.15:55
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coderussandy_locke: extended partition tables support in kernel was added for harmattan and ubiboot kernel. you can use as many partitions as want.16:10
sledgesamonk: repartitioning is done via parted, in in MOSLO16:19
amonksweet.  Thanks y'all.  should be a near no brainer then.  what are recommended partition sizes for nemo (min and comfortable)?16:20
sledgeswayland nemo is quite small now, top 700M pre-installed16:22
sledgesyou can leave another 500M for settings16:22
sledgesscreenshots, music test files + whatever you want to flex nemo's muscle in16:23
sledgesi remember some PNGs are also cached for better performances16:23
sledgesin long term 2GB should be comfortable16:23
amonkthanks.  any clue on sailfish's storage needs, or do I need to, uh, go fish on that one? lol16:25
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vakkov_Somebody pleeeease tell me how to download n900-kernel-adaptation to build it.16:44
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sledgesamonk: ask in #nemomobile-porters16:59
amonkalready asked in #nemomobile and got one null answer (lol).  will repost in #nemomobile-porters.  Thanks.17:02
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amonkoops.  mean #sailfishos, not #nemomobile. sry17:04
sledgesbut yea, doesn't take much to untar and check the size amonk ;O17:04
amonksledges: sure, but i'm so interested in that.  that's insignificant.  I'm interest in how much room is necessary for comfortable growth thereafter.17:05
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amonknot so interested.  oops.17:06
sledgesamonk: few people know that, as sailfish is out in the wild since recently17:06
sledgesand Nemo is a WIP playground17:06
sledgesso solely depends on your personal intended use17:06
amonkyup, i'm looking for one of the few. :)17:06
sledgesas mentioned in nemo, should be similar to sailfish, settings and cache - will slowly grow over time, and slowdown after some; can't quantify, trial and error needed17:07
amonkyup, always depends, but that's what "recommendations" are for, starting points, targets, rules of thumb, blah, blah. :)17:07
amonkokay, just hoping to get what's known as a start.  call me unreasonable. lol17:09
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