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| wazd | happy new year dear people :) | 09:54 |
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| krnlyng | valdur55: pulseaudio is in a restart loop on my n9 with 3.5.3 | 10:02 |
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| sledges | +2014 | 10:26 |
| fk_lx | hi sledges :-) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | good morning sledges, headache-y? | 10:27 |
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| sledges | ahoy fellows! | 10:28 |
| sledges | no headache, housemate fell ill, so we all stayed at home playing Cards Against Humanity :) | 10:30 |
| wazd | heya :) | 10:30 |
| fk_lx | never hearad about that game :-) | 10:30 |
| sledges | they say, how you met y.eve is the way you'll spend the year :) | 10:31 |
| wazd | I reeeeealy hope that it does not apply to us :D | 10:32 |
| fk_lx | wazd: why? what's wrong on sitting on IRC whole year? | 10:33 |
| fk_lx | :-P | 10:33 |
| sledges | hacking nemo :D | 10:33 |
| wazd | Well, I was so bored that I've been designing "Keyboard Other Half" whole night :D | 10:33 |
| fk_lx | wazd: so you will be designing it the whole year :-P | 10:34 |
| wazd | fk_lx: hooray :D | 10:34 |
| fk_lx | I wait for someone who designes quicker | 10:34 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 10:34 |
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| wazd | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Jolla/4.png | 10:43 |
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| wazd | The geekiest layout I can could come up with yet :) | 10:43 |
| wazd | colors are like that for a purpose, using red/green LED combination and red/green filters underneath buttons you can create "layout-specific backlighting" effect | 10:45 |
| wazd | so when you have english layout enabled red letters are much brighter | 10:46 |
| wazd | and when, for example, russian is enabled, then green are :) | 10:46 |
| wazd | Yellow will be bright anyway | 10:46 |
| wazd | D-pad is not an ordinary one, but a touch panel with "click" to act as an "analog stick" when needed :) | 10:47 |
| fk_lx | wazd: looks good :-) | 10:49 |
| wazd | I even tried to render some stuff but champagne kicked in and I fell asleep :D | 10:49 |
| sledges | 3D? would be nice | 10:50 |
| wazd | And I must say, no offence, but placing camera in the middle of the Jolla body was heluva stupid idea | 10:52 |
| wazd | modding-wise | 10:52 |
| wazd | cause now it's virtually impossible to make a slider, for example, which will not obscure the camera | 10:54 |
| wazd | cause while you can possibly make a hole in the corner, you can't do it in the goddamn middle of the PCB :D | 10:54 |
| wazd | so the only way out is to shoot with keyboard opened :D | 10:55 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: ^ | 10:56 |
| wazd | Not to mention "heavy" battery packs | 10:57 |
| fk_lx | wazd: why not making a hole in PCB? | 10:57 |
| wazd | fk_lx: and in a keyboard then :0 | 10:57 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 10:57 |
| wazd | fk_lx: or making a keyboard "n900" like | 10:57 |
| wazd | buttons are prefect, layout is meh | 10:57 |
| wazd | it's fair in english, but russian is just a mess | 10:58 |
| wazd | we have "up" and "down" as Fn's | 10:58 |
| wazd | for left and right | 10:58 |
| fk_lx | well, I can imagine that the keys wouldn't be avaliable on the side where camera is | 10:58 |
| fk_lx | maybe some transparent material there :-) | 10:59 |
| wazd | fk_lx: camera in the corner would be so much better for everyone :) | 10:59 |
| fk_lx | I mean kind of transparent rectangle sth, to make photos always possible | 10:59 |
| Hurrian | isn't the Jolla camera on a corner? | 11:00 |
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| wazd | Hurrian: It was, ironicaly | 11:00 |
| Hurrian | ah, looks like it was changed | 11:01 |
| wazd | http://jolla.com/ | 11:01 |
| wazd | well, you can come up with some crazy mods for the keyboard, ok | 11:01 |
| wazd | but you can't make transparent battery :) | 11:01 |
| Hurrian | wazd: folding keyboard, Nokia Communicator style | 11:01 |
| Hurrian | TOH provides part of the hinge | 11:02 |
| wazd | Hurrian: yes, but it would be absurdly thick :D | 11:02 |
| Hurrian | the hinge could even be put on rails, allowing you to stow the keyboard behind the Jolla (precludes camera use though but oh well | 11:02 |
| Hurrian | wazd: it'll be thick, but hey, we lived through the N900 right? :P | 11:03 |
| wazd | Hurrian: it would be even thicker imo :D | 11:03 |
| wazd | Hurrian: 1cm of a phone + at least 1cm of everything else :) | 11:03 |
| wazd | cause you will need some really steady hinge to hold the whole phone | 11:04 |
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| Hurrian | 2cm isn't that bad - just a hair thicker than the N900. | 11:06 |
| wazd | n900 is 17mm :) | 11:06 |
| wazd | e90 is 2cm, yes | 11:06 |
| Hurrian | But then you can strap another battery into the slide :D | 11:06 |
| wazd | and in fact its other dimensions are simmilar to Jolla :D | 11:07 |
| wazd | and it has been considered a "juggernaught" not a long time ago :) | 11:07 |
| wazd | oh, it's juggernaut :D | 11:08 |
| Hurrian | 1cm is a lot of space, actually - probably a lot more than needed, if 1cm is the 'fill goal' for the keyboard you can probably include a bunch of extra stuff in there | 11:08 |
| wazd | Hurrian: I've found a nice compromise between "perfect typing experience" and "not a 2cm phone" :) | 11:09 |
| wazd | you can attach and detach battery back to the keyboard | 11:10 |
| wazd | with magnets! | 11:10 |
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| wazd | so if you want to have a thin (yet quite thick) slider, then use the keyboard without it, and if you want some top-notch experience at all cost, just add a battery | 11:11 |
| wazd | it would be crazy thick, but who cares with 1800+3000 mAh battery on board :D | 11:12 |
| wazd | I should solve some design issues related to "fake two halves" concept and I'll show it :) | 11:14 |
| sledges | Current Jolla will also have its flash blocked by keyboard oth, if fitted on default landscape orientation (left-of portrait). But remember phones which had lens cover (n900, K800i), opening which launches camera app. So let's say, if you hold jolla portrait , camera launches (keyb OTH acts as lens cover) | 11:20 |
| sledges | and stuffs like that (special button/latch on oth slideout, to trigger camera) | 11:23 |
| Hurrian | oh, yeah, anyone know how to add modes to usb-moded? | 11:23 |
| Hurrian | i made a Mass Storage mode for dyn-modes and Sailfish doesn't pick it up - I half-thought it'd pick it up if it was in that dir. | 11:24 |
| sledges | Hurrian: there was a commit recently adding usb tethering, check github | 11:24 |
| Hurrian | sledges: hmm, i think i've got how to do it - thanks! | 11:27 |
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| wazd | sledges: taht's actually a very nice idea :D | 11:29 |
| wazd | sledges: about launching camera in portrait | 11:29 |
| wazd | sledges: consider it stoled :D | 11:29 |
| wazd | stolen* | 11:29 |
| sledges | :D | 11:31 |
| wazd | wtw, there would be even worse problem with obscured flash cause even when you'll open the slider up for flash to be visible light would be partially blocked by the phone's body anyway | 11:32 |
| wazd | or it should be opened even further, reducing the hinges :( | 11:32 |
| sledges | well keyb needs to slide out far enough | 11:32 |
| wazd | but I guess since it worked for n900, it will work for Jolla :0 | 11:33 |
| wazd | :) | 11:33 |
| wazd | and about that touch d-pad thing, what do you think? :) | 11:34 |
| wazd | it should have some sort of light geometrical guides for finger to easily find directions yet it should be smooth for accurate "analog" control :) | 11:36 |
| sledges | awesome that it's clickable ;) | 11:36 |
| sledges | is it for cursor control? | 11:37 |
| wazd | sledges: what kind of question is that :D It's for everything you can imagine it to do :D | 11:37 |
| wazd | sledges: IMO it's a nice solution for both gaming and non-gaming navigation | 11:39 |
| wazd | also I had "page up/down/insert/delete" bound to it as FNs :) | 11:40 |
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| wazd | since this beast should be like an ultimate geek device | 11:41 |
| sledges | wazd: i never owed a hw kbd so ;) nor a gamer myself | 11:49 |
| sledges | and android/ios phones dont have such a cunning d-pad | 11:50 |
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| wazd | http://www.hpc.ru/devices/images/497_01.jpg <- that beast had something simmilar :) | 11:52 |
| wazd | though you can not click it | 11:52 |
| sledges | have you seen our trackball in nemo sw kbd? | 11:54 |
| wazd | yep :) | 11:54 |
| wazd | haven't tried it though :) | 11:54 |
| sledges | it works but only to thr left :D | 11:56 |
| wazd | :D | 11:56 |
| sledges | shouldn't be a heavy fix | 11:56 |
| wazd | How does the "hot spot" issue handled? | 11:56 |
| wazd | I mean, how it determines either you press ome of surrounding keys or the nipple itself? | 11:57 |
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| sledges | locusf: ^ | 11:59 |
| locusf | whaa | 12:00 |
| locusf | hmm I don't actually know, it just works for me :) | 12:00 |
| sledges | HNY ;) | 12:00 |
| locusf | you too sledges :) | 12:01 |
| sledges | wasnt you iplementing t? | 12:01 |
| locusf | yeah | 12:01 |
| wazd | I can only imagine it but I see some cross-misfires | 12:01 |
| wazd | like when you want to press G and nothing happens cause you've touched the dot | 12:02 |
| locusf | ouch | 12:02 |
| wazd | and when you try to touch the dot and type G instead | 12:02 |
| sledges | hm, i dont remember that wazd | 12:02 |
| sledges | it just worked :D | 12:02 |
| wazd | awesome then :D | 12:02 |
| sledges | some other areas are in the todo list though for nemo keyb | 12:03 |
| sledges | gaps between all keys are dead | 12:03 |
| locusf | yeah works for me too | 12:03 |
| sledges | so keyb misfires, not so good for fast typing | 12:04 |
| wazd | probably if you can use some tap'n'hold to trigger the dot | 12:04 |
| wazd | adjustable | 12:04 |
| locusf | good idea | 12:04 |
| wazd | btw | 12:06 |
| wazd | since it's new year and stuff :D | 12:06 |
| wazd | Maybe someone knows someone who knows someone with Jolla device 3d model? :D | 12:07 |
| wazd | I can, probably recreate it myself but maybe someone can save me quite some time :) | 12:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HNY! | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | you too | 13:00 |
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| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: \o/ | 13:02 |
| sledges | +1 for 2013 | 13:07 |
| wazd | 2013++ :) | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wazd: (dpad) consider using an "upside-down" optical mouse instead | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with 4 real switches for one-click cursor movement | 13:12 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: you won't be able to use in as a "stick" though :) | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, sorry? | 13:13 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.ferra.ru/images/258/258249.jpg <- you want something like this? | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno that device | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Samsung Omnia had a optical "scrollball" | 13:14 |
| wazd | or direction switches would be "embedded" under the surface of the giant trackpad? :) | 13:15 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, that black "ok" is a trackball too | 13:15 |
| wazd | optical | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then yeah, that looks quite nice, assuming it has switrches under the 45° bezel | 13:16 |
| wazd | it's nice but the goal was to use the d-pad in "virtual analog" mode too. | 13:16 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: yes, it's a d-pad | 13:16 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: are you aware of analog sticks on modern gamepads? :) | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you can use "vitual analog" just like you do with a mouse | 13:17 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: not quite | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 13:17 |
| wazd | wait a sec | 13:17 |
| wazd | http://mag.divineo.cn/magento/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/e0743c1d790430a67c28932fae7a7996/3/6/360-asc.jpg | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I know what you're after | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use pressure sensors instead of simple "gigital" switches | 13:18 |
| wazd | it's a "d-pad" with adjustable angle | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "digital" | 13:19 |
| wazd | the more the angle - the more the "effect" | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/angle/pressure/ here you are | 13:19 |
| wazd | so you can not just "turn/not turn" but turn with different speed | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pressure sensors are very old very robust and simple technology | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Dehnungsmessstreifen" dunno the english term. Basically a resistor meander that increases resistivity on getting stretched | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cost a few cent | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incredibly simple analog readout | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are also capacitive types | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and piezo | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | piezo are nice, they can do force-feedback ;-) | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but way more nasty to read out and control | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and bulkier and "expensive" | 13:23 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: what I wanted is a way to move on screen "analog stick simulation" to the d-pad of the keyboard: http://www.iphoneheat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/gta-3-ios-3.jpg | 13:23 |
| wazd | with pressure sensitivity. if I get it correct, you will not have a"click" | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer05: random question, did you cancel or get a jolla, or is it on ebay already? | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, considering that the optical sensor works like a mouse, you can act on it like you do on the touchscreen virtual joystick | 13:25 |
| Morpog_PC | like an IBM point | 13:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 glares at his white jolla and red paper "TOH coming soon" | 13:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wazd: right, pressure sensitivity defeats tactile click | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are incompatible | 13:27 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: that's sad :( | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you still can have a normal clickdisk switch under the center OK button | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wazd: anyway the capacitive touchpad is pretty useless as real HID pointer device. the range to move pointer that way is waaay too smal | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think of optical input as a trackball alike device | 13:32 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: Maybe I'm not getting it right | 13:33 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: optical trackball works the same way analog one does | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it should have pretty much identical UX to your capacitive touchpad, just the range is limited by area/length of your thumb, not by area of touchpad | 13:33 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: aaaah, yes, now I get it | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wazd: take your mouse (assuming it#s an optical mouse), turn it upside down, place your thumb over the optics and rub thumb up/down/left/right | 13:34 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: but then again, it will not work as a stick that way, cause you won't have 25%, 50% 75% 100% positions | 13:35 |
| wazd | or more like 50% 100% in my case :D | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm no, it will work exactly like a mouse | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or like a touchscreen | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, touchscreen is also working absolute, while this thing still is a mouse, you can "lift" it and put down elsewhere without moving mouse cursor | 13:36 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: I don't want a mouse, I want an analog stick emulation :D | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.iphoneheat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/gta-3-ios-3.jpg works with a "mouse2 though | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather the virtual joystick is the circle lower-left | 13:39 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 13:39 |
| wazd | and it's in 'down" position :) | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you operate it by pulling the inner circle up/down/l/r inside the outer circly | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | circle* | 13:39 |
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| wazd | yes | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you could pick the inner circle with any arbitrary mouse and pull it, just like you do on touchscreen | 13:40 |
| wazd | sorta :) | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | making your mouse (physical one) a "joystick" | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously depending on your mouse settings for sensitivity, you usually will not move the mouse device more than maybe 15mm | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from +100% to -100% of "joystick" | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now take your mouse and turn it upside down, so you see the optics | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | place your thumb on the optics | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rub! | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Yes, it's mirrored | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess yu can figure how to correct this | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it makes for a pretty convenient joystick emulation | 13:44 |
| wazd | ok, you have a fair point, I agree :) | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 13:44 |
| wazd | http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/220867-htc-desire-optical-mouse.jpg | 13:45 |
| wazd | Even HTC has one :) | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and samsung Omnia | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some abcient obsolete winphone hardware ;-) | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ancient* | 13:46 |
| wazd | on the other side, sony has made this: http://cdn1.dottech.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Root-Xperia-Play-ICS.jpg | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.mobilegazette.com/samsung-omnia-i900-08x06x10.htm that balck pushbutton on bottom middle - is actually made of transparent plastic | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | works pretty nice until you compare it to a real mouse | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a gentle push makes the mech clickdisk switch operate, giving a LMB event | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually bin every thinkpad nipple for this | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I however doubt you can place that stuff into your ultraslim kbd TOH | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet it's at least 5mm high | 13:51 |
| wazd | the only thing it will not do is that scenario: You need to run immediately (100% up) and then gently slow down | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that would make your kbd TOH... some 7, 8, 10mm? | 13:52 |
| wazd | so you can't just tap "up" and then move your finger down | 13:52 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: when your phone is 15mm thick at least who cares :D | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, it has no absolute mode | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-01-01 14:36:46] <DocScrutinizer05> well, touchscreen is also working absolute, while this thing still is a mouse, you can "lift" it and put down elsewhere without moving mouse cursor | 13:53 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.koreaittimes.com/images/imagecache/large/optical%20trackpad%20module%20samples.JPG | 13:53 |
| wazd | yeah, those things are quite thick, about 3mm I guess | 13:54 |
| wazd | not 5 though :) | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right one is clearly Samsung Omnia | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome, thanks for that page | 13:54 |
| wazd | but, apple's iphone 5s sensor is thin, I guess :) | 13:55 |
| wazd | and it's pretty much the same thing | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recommend using one of them, I think they are a nice HID | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never touched an iPhone5 in my life | 13:55 |
| wazd | http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/iphone-5s-touch-id-fingerprint-sensor.jpg | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so dunno what sensors it has | 13:56 |
| wazd | well, the new ohe has fingerprint scanner built into the "home button" | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, a decent extension of that principle would use the camera not only for mouse move but also for fingerprint - obvious | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically the whole thing is just a macro camera with IR led | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | always been | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pleased to be able to contribute some suggestion :-) | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk for coffee | 13:58 |
| wazd | sure, it's always great to have ones :) | 13:58 |
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| wazd | so it would be something like that: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Jolla/5.png | 14:31 |
| fk_lx | wazd: I would prefer keyboard with left and right alt key | 14:32 |
| wazd | weeeeel... | 14:33 |
| fk_lx | wazd: for very important reason | 14:34 |
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| fk_lx | Polish national characters are accessible with right alt | 14:34 |
| fk_lx | while left alt is just normal alt | 14:34 |
| wazd | can they be accessed with Fn instead? :) | 14:35 |
| wazd | you have the whole keyboard to use :) | 14:35 |
| fk_lx | in your case not really | 14:35 |
| wazd | fk_lx: why? | 14:36 |
| fk_lx | for example for O you have } with Fn | 14:36 |
| fk_lx | and on Polish keyboard you get there Ó and ó | 14:36 |
| fk_lx | the same with l where you get Ł and ł | 14:36 |
| fk_lx | and you reserved those keys for brackets and qoutes | 14:37 |
| wazd | oh well, we can always move it somewhere else | 14:38 |
| wazd | I was just copying my own layout :) | 14:38 |
| wazd | in fact, since we're all crazy geeks and stuff, my idea was to provide "blank" keyboard sheet and vector template for user to engrave whatever he wants | 14:41 |
| liar | any 3.5.3 (for n9/50) devs here? | 14:41 |
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| wazd | since color filter layer would be glued underneath button plastic | 14:42 |
| wazd | so you'll have green, red and yellow zone on the button surface | 14:43 |
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| wazd | meanwhile on twitter :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/brkji77sjfnp8eb/2014-01-01_12-42-35_187.jpg | 14:48 |
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| faenil | Happy New Year fellow nemomobilers! \o/ | 17:19 |
| stephg | to you too! | 17:20 |
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| sledges | \2014/ | 17:39 |
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| filip__ | Happy NY to all | 17:47 |
| wazd | \o/ | 17:48 |
| filip__ | krnlyng: audio card drivers are missing on github kernel | 17:48 |
| filip__ | have you fixed HW version detection for your revision? | 17:48 |
| krnlyng | filip__: are they? i saw the twl4030 code is there | 17:48 |
| krnlyng | filip__: no not yet | 17:48 |
| filip__ | I have it ported, just it didin't get to github | 17:49 |
| krnlyng | i don't know where to start... and hadn't had much time yet | 17:49 |
| krnlyng | i might try today | 17:49 |
| filip__ | project maintainer stopped to respond to my e-mails :( | 17:50 |
| filip__ | maybe I can help? | 17:50 |
| filip__ | liar: I have running 3.5.3 version - can I help? | 17:51 |
| filip__ | krnlyng: I haven't actually checked 3.5 + wayland sound - I'll check... | 17:52 |
| krnlyng | filip__: liar == krnlyng | 17:52 |
| filip__ | OK - understood | 17:53 |
| krnlyng | that was my old username, sorry^^ | 17:53 |
| filip__ | no problem - I'll have to register my own nickone of these days... | 17:53 |
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| krnlyng | Stskeeps: i have managed to load the dalvikvm with a libhybris module, is this interessting? should i upload the changes to github and make a pull request? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | if you think it is - might want to gestate that in a project of your own first | 18:06 |
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| filip__ | krnlyng: sound works under 3.5.3 - I've just tested (paplay -v --device=sink.music <filename>) - as mentioned audio code is not (yet) on github | 18:17 |
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| krnlyng | filip__: do you have the changes on your github? | 18:18 |
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| filip__ | I can push them there - I'm also terrible in "the wole git thing" s it may take some time... | 18:19 |
| krnlyng | Stskeeps: an obvious project would be an android apps compat layer :) (replacement for aliendalvik) but i don't think this is what i would do (could do) on my own | 18:21 |
| Aard | krnlyng: just starting up an android-application is not too hard. the tricky bit is still having the hal bits usable by the application (i.e., have it properly work if it's more than a fart app) | 18:23 |
| krnlyng | Aard: yeah i know, i have been involved in the apkenv development, i have also experimented with running the whole android services on my n9 with a modified apkenv (which ended up being something chroot like) but i gave up when it came to the rendering part | 18:25 |
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| krnlyng | by android services i mean zygote, system server and all that stuff | 18:29 |
| krnlyng | filip__: what is your hardware revision again? | 18:31 |
| filip__ | v 1603 | 18:32 |
| krnlyng | ok | 18:33 |
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| krnlyng | Stskeeps: i uploaded it to github... if i find something usefull to use it for i will make a pull request... that means maybe not :) https://github.com/krnlyng/libhybris | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 18:46 |
| filip__ | krnlyng: I've pushed my changes to github (https://github.com/filippz/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9) | 18:58 |
| filip__ | try it and see does it boot... | 18:58 |
| krnlyng | i dont see it yet :( | 18:59 |
| filip__ | I have uncommited code for BME - but since it's untested and potentially dangerous I'll leave it out for now | 19:00 |
| filip__ | you are using https://github.com/filippz/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9 ? | 19:00 |
| krnlyng | yes | 19:01 |
| krnlyng | filip__: maybe you can push the BME stuff to another branch? i'd like to take a look at it too | 19:01 |
| krnlyng | filip__: the last commit i see is still the orientation commit | 19:01 |
| filip__ | last and newest are for orientation :) | 19:02 |
| filip__ | <10 minutes ago? | 19:02 |
| filip__ | as for BME, n9 used to reboot with something in usb+lockscreen, so I don't know whether charging will stop eventually or the battery will explode :) | 19:04 |
| krnlyng | ah :D i misinterpreted that | 19:06 |
| filip__ | seems that usb+lockscreen work under wayland - super | 19:06 |
| filip__ | Is it just me - or the status bar is missing? | 19:09 |
| Morpog_Mobile | In nemomobile? | 19:09 |
| filip__ | yes | 19:10 |
| Morpog_Mobile | yep, it's missing | 19:10 |
| Morpog_Mobile | We haven't fixed the homescreen, as we work on glacier components and after that wanted to redoe zhe homescreen | 19:11 |
| filip__ | So the battery indication (charging, remaining...) must be monitored in journal or? | 19:11 |
| filip__ | I like glacier concept - it's really cool | 19:11 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Battery indication was missing totally, as this changed to statefs | 19:12 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Coderus wrote a statefs plugin for that, but no one yet made that work in nemomobile | 19:12 |
| Morpog_Mobile | but it seems to work in sailfishos on n9 | 19:13 |
| filip__ | Maybe I'll use Sailfish to test charging on 3.5 in couple of days then, thanks for the info | 19:14 |
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| wazd | Back to the keyboard, what do you guys think bout suck keys? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Jolla/6.jpg | 19:42 |
| wazd | god damned | 19:42 |
| wazd | such | 19:42 |
| wazd | :D | 19:42 |
| wazd | Kind of a hybrid between e90 and n900 | 19:43 |
| krnlyng | filip__: audio works with your changes :O :) | 19:44 |
| coderus | Morpog_Mobile: deztructor_ merged my changed to nemomobile tree, but not yet compiled (testing?) | 19:45 |
| coderus | you can just use compiled package | 19:46 |
| Morpog_PC | had no time yet to put nemo on my N9, before I only used VM. My Jolla steals all my time :D | 19:47 |
| krnlyng | is calling/sms/3g supposed to work on the 3.5.3 kernel? it doesnt work for me | 19:48 |
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| sledges | wazd: can white part be made thinner? keys look slick, but might be too slick when pressing between two keys by error, both might get pressed | 23:55 |
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