Tuesday, 2014-01-14

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sledgeshello morning09:24
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morninghello, Human!09:28
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* sledges should turn on NICKS notifications :D09:29
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wazdheya people10:05
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wazdhow's suffering? :)10:05
sledgessilently ;)10:05
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* faenil is missing nemo :(11:20
artemmafaenil: nemo is always one flash away :)11:21
artemmaoh.. and a couple of finished apps too maybe :)11:21
faenilartemma, no, we need a big effort for nemo to become something, the components are more or less stuck since I stopped working on it :(11:21
faeniland I'll be busy until half/end march, likely :(11:22
* artemma always thought that nemo is mostly sort of a demo vehicle for the likes of Jolla, so the only real way forward is to find a phone manufacturer interested in backing nemo up11:22
faenillocusf, Sfiet_Konstantin qwazix Morpog_Jolla do you think you'll have time relatively soon to continue the components effort?11:23
artemmasure, some manufacturer might decide to go 95% nemo reusing nemo apps, etc11:23
faenilartemma, nemo is....cool!11:23
faenilno business decisions, no business plans, just community11:23
faenilthat's what makes it special11:23
fk_lxI disagree11:23
fk_lxfor me Glacier UI is the community part11:24
* artemma likes understanding the far goals11:24
faenilbut people don't seem to realize how cool it is :(11:24
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: yep, school project :)11:24
faenilfk_lx, yes, the UI I meant11:24
fk_lxall the rest of Nemo is taken over by Jolla11:24
fk_lxwith plans regarding development closed inside company11:24
artemmafaenil: how would people realize nemo is cool if there are zero phones sold with it? :)11:24
faenilfk_lx, false, I've never seen Jolla refusing reviewal or approving of PRs11:24
faenilfk_lx, and again, they have *their* dev plans, it's not nemo's11:25
fk_lxfaenil: false, false, false11:25
faenilfk_lx, but of course, unless you want them to fork nemo's mw, you have to live with that11:25
fk_lxfaenil: read my posts from TJC11:25
faeniland I'd better live with jolla's plans than have them fork everything in nemo11:25
faeniland detach for nemo's reality because we want to do things radically differently11:25
artemmafaenil: and by nemo you now mean Glacier and related apps really, correct? Because to my understanding Jolla is using most of non-visual parts and contributes back just fine11:25
faenilartemma, yep11:25
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: Jolla used to push their own modifications with high priority and they usually ignore other PR11:26
fk_lxbut you cannot get involved into contribution of non-MW11:26
fk_lxbecause no one will tell you what is needed11:26
fk_lxI mean wrong11:26
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, of course, but that's understandable isn't it11:26
faenilif you prod w00t he'll review and approve11:26
fk_lxyou cannot get involved in MW part11:26
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: not if you advertise nemo as meritocratic11:26
fk_lxthat's the sad truth11:26
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: you can, if they have time11:26
krnlyngStskeeps: is the droid-system-sbj package myriads or jollas work?11:27
faenilfk_lx, what Sfiet_Konstantin said11:27
fk_lxyou cannot11:27
sledgesfk_lx: you can11:27
fk_lxsorry, you cannot11:27
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: the issue is that they don't have time11:27
sledgesadd new APIs - no problem11:27
artemmaWell, IMHO, Glacier and its apps can be one of three things (possibly mixed): 1) just for fun, i.e. for geeks building stuff themselves; 2) Demo vehicle for the likes of Jolla 3) a nearly-ready-for-manufacturing OS for whoever wants to go the Jolla way, but wants to skip even Sailfish-like development investment11:27
sledgesqca was added11:27
faenilok, I see this getting into a flame war in 3...2...111:27
sledgespyotherside etc11:27
faeniland I have to study11:27
fk_lxI won't work on sth if it is a double effort -> someone in Jolla doing that already, but not telling about it11:27
sledgesMW is stable11:27
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: I won't start this flamewar again11:28
sledgesUI needs evolvment - no chains11:28
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm off11:28
faenilso I'll have to stop here, discussions this evening :)11:28
artemmait would be cool if there was some primary Nemo/Glacier direction. Cool, for external ovbservers and potential collaborators I mean11:28
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: fk_lx have a point though11:28
sledgesMW has connectivity (ofono), qt (for rest), and all the APIs that jolla will take time to integrate into their phone11:28
fk_lxthe problem is that Nemo was open in terms of collaboration year ago on earlier11:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthere are usually work taking part inside Jolla with no communication11:28
faenilhe does, he just applies a +200% exaggeration to it11:28
sledgesmeanwhile all we need to do is just to change nemo-patterns11:28
faenilwhich makes him lose credibility11:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthe problem is this communication, as usual11:28
sledgesnemo:mw is a collection of mix-and-match pieces11:28
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: good to see you here btw :)11:29
fk_lxI'm not exaggerating11:29
fk_lxit's easy to you guys that are inside Jolla telling that it's not problem to contribute11:29
fk_lxbecause you know plans11:29
fk_lxknow which one takes of which part11:29
faenilartemma, the way I see it, Nemo is a dream (currently), a mobile distro which is taken care of by community11:29
faenilI don't care about the rest ;)11:30
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* artemma always felt jolla is very closed in comms. Listens fine, but shares directions.. well, roadmap tag in Together is like the first public step I see11:30
fk_lxyeah, the problem is communication11:30
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: I guess that Nemo contributors shapes this direction11:30
faenilthe very big problem at the moment is that people like complaining11:31
Sfiet_Konstantinso same thing again and again: communication11:31
fk_lxNemo contributors are 90% Jolla employees, that's why they don't see the problem11:31
faenilbut I've seen no freaking commit to nemomobile middleware11:31
faenilin the last months11:31
w00tyou're assuming rather a lot about the way people in jolla work work (that we have plans for absolutely everything months in advance) which isn't correct at all. at most, we usually plan a month or so ahead, aside from long term goals like last year's "we need to release a phone"11:31
artemmathough again, I am from "just interested" camp. Maybe guys deep into topic know everything11:31
sledgesit has nothing to do what i work with: nemo middleware is mature enough not to make fuss about, meanwhile glacier ui gives you all freedom to play11:31
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Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: but if jolla employees were more open to discussion like11:31
Sfiet_Konstantinwe are working on this feature, if you want work on this other11:31
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: +111:31
Sfiet_Konstantinthis will help everybody11:31
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, +111:31
faenilof course11:32
Sfiet_Konstantinboth Jolla guys and people who want to step in11:32
faenilbut even that takes time and effort to handle :(11:32
Sfiet_Konstantinit is hard to get involved in Nemo project, even if the source is open11:32
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, that is definitely the current problem11:32
fk_lxyeah ... .source open11:32
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artemmaw00t: discussions in IRC are fantastic for understanding the directions, I learn and understand a lot here. Public sharing… nada11:32
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: it is open source, not open contribution11:32
fk_lxSlush 2012 - we are doing open source not source open ....11:32
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: but don't deny that you can step in11:32
Sfiet_Konstantinit is just very hard because you need to ping people several time11:33
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: then how it differst from Tizen11:33
faenilfk_lx, I fail to see your contributions to nemo mw which haven't been reviewed or accepted, though11:33
Sfiet_Konstantinand they might listen to yo11:33
fk_lxTizen is also open source11:33
artemmaw00t: and yes, I understand that sharing takes time and effort, especially when plans are fluid. Well, Jolla had and constantly has to make choices on what to focus on11:33
fk_lxfaenil: first of all, I don't want to contribute if I learn two days later, that someone just done pull request and minute later it was accepted11:33
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: I guess that there are some efforts that could be done in Nemo (MW) maintainers side11:33
faenilfk_lx, ??11:34
fk_lxfaenil: yeah, that's it11:34
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: speaking about PR handled inside Jolla, and not taking in account other people working on it11:34
fk_lxfaenil: you are working on something, then two days later it is done11:34
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, there are a lot of things to be improved on that side11:34
faenilfk_lx, ah, that you mean11:34
Sfiet_KonstantinI would love to have just a public dashboard with: "I'm doing this" and that's all11:34
faenilfk_lx, well, even though that can happy, that's not very likely11:34
fk_lxyeah, in my sense it's double effort, waste of time11:34
Sfiet_Konstantinthis will be enough11:34
fk_lxfaenil: well it happened in my case11:35
artemmafaenil, fk_lx, w00t Yeah, that's my number one stopper too: understanding what's for 3rd parties, what;s not and what's Jolla gonna deliver next. You know, it kind'a sucks to pump lots of hard work into Flashlight if next day Jolla releases a system one11:35
fk_lxfaenil: only once, but that is enough11:35
faenilfk_lx, it's not like w00t won't tell you if he's about to push the same feature into lipstick11:35
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sledgesartemma: that's not middleware11:35
* artemma is in the same situation right now actually: building a quick app launcher. And who knows, maybe Jolla releases universal Search tomorrow11:35
fk_lxthe same with File manager etc.11:35
Sfiet_Konstantindiversity won't hurt11:35
fk_lxno one knows on what Jolla is actually working on11:36
fk_lxor not11:36
artemmasledges: true, probably I am sharing on the wrong channel, /me is more about the app level11:36
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm building a FB client, but I'm sure that Jolla will have one at some point11:36
fk_lxartemma: +111:36
sledgesartemma: we started this discussion about nemo here ;)11:36
Sfiet_Konstantinthere is a diff between working on MW with PR and working on apps11:36
Sfiet_Konstantinyou never have enough apps11:36
sledgesi want someone to prove me, that nemo:mw handling changed their life11:36
fk_lxno one want to waste time on sth, that no one will use, because some Jolla employee will push that to Nemo one day earlier11:37
sledgesin a bad way due jolla's actions11:37
* artemma loved this BB10 middlewhere roadmap, when deciding what/when to work on for BB10, that was very-very useful yet simple - http://developer.blackberry.com/native/downloads/roadmap/11:37
Sfiet_Konstantinbut MW PR being handled internally is something to handle11:37
fk_lxdespite the fact the same employee was working on that one month, but not telling it11:37
fk_lxfaenil: ^11:37
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Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: yep, quite good, but in Jolla it is impossible11:37
Sfiet_Konstantinsee what w00t said11:38
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat people do inside Jolla is: we might need this, let's implement it11:38
faenilmaybe fk_lx should read it again as well11:38
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: if the roadmap is one month long, why not to have it one month long?11:38
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Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: because you don't plan for 1 month :D ?11:38
artemmaSeriously. Even two weeks sharing is better than nothing. Especially if that's really what there is to share11:38
fk_lxartemma: +211:39
faenilartemma, I really hope jolla will be able to do something like bb10 roadmaps thingy, that's one of the things I loved most about bb1011:39
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: the problem is also because you need to have acceptation on MW etc.11:39
Sfiet_KonstantinJolla phone can run on beta / alpha MW, but apps cannot11:39
artemmaand I am sure there are things bubbling-under for the next month, even if 30% of those get canceled/delayed11:39
fk_lxthe problem is the COMMUNICATION, or lack of it11:39
Sfiet_KonstantinSC / BC breakage is not allowed11:39
fk_lxand then later faenil complains that no one is willing to contribute11:39
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: +111:39
fk_lx(who is not employee)11:39
sledgesto glacier ui11:39
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fk_lxthe communicatio flows but inside Jolla11:40
fk_lxNemo MW is Tizen, sorry :-(11:40
Sfiet_Konstantinnow that the phone is out, I wonder how Jolla engineers think the communication problem11:40
faenilfk_lx, it seems like since jolla is using nemo mw, then jolla has to handle nemo stuff11:40
faenilthat's not the way it works, imho11:40
faenilwe could do that roadmap ourselves, for nemo11:41
faenilif there were even 1 active developer, which there is not11:41
fk_lxfaenil: it about communicating - "we are working on this feature in Nemo MW" or "That would be good if some one would do it with this Nemo MW project"11:41
fk_lxbut it does not happens11:41
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: Jolla engineers have Write access on Nemo stuff, so technically, they control Nemo11:41
faenilfk_lx, no wonder it would be cool to see something like that11:41
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: false11:41
faenilfk_lx, but again, at least for IRCers, there are PLENTY of ways to know if someone is already working on that11:42
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: not totaly false :)11:42
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: not totally :D11:42
faenilthat's ofc false for the non-ircers11:42
fk_lxfaenil: assuming that you know who works on what, and that _all_ will answer11:42
sledgesfk_lx: you take mw project, see its github repo, see commits. done11:43
sledgesif not enough - check in obs11:43
w00tSfiet_Konstantin: not all of them do, and there are plenty of others (like you..) who have access, and i'm more than happy to see others get it, once they prove capable and competent - the barrier is not very high beyond "do a good job and don't be malicious" :)11:43
faenilfk_lx, come on, you know there are people here 24/711:43
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faenilfk_lx, ^ see what I meant11:44
fk_lxok than I have completely serious question - if I want to contribute to fingerterm or pyotherside with who should I talk?11:44
faenilfk_lx, you can talk to me for fingerterm11:44
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sledgeswant all info: https://github.com/organizations/nemomobile11:44
sledgesone more: #mer-boss11:44
fk_lxfaenil: ok good, and pyotherside?11:44
faenilfk_lx, and NOTICE: I'm not a sailr11:45
Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: :) of course11:45
faenilfk_lx, let me put this in simple words: if you spent 10% of the time you spent complaining into sending code to nemo repos, you'd be Nemo owner by now :)11:47
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faeniland here's Venemo o/11:47
fk_lxfaenil: sorry that's a joke, not serious reply11:48
sledgesme and faenil haven't complained, we got pull rights on such things like nemo-patterns last october11:48
faenilwell, I complained lots of times, but I did some facts as well :D11:49
fk_lxwell I'm not a young student, I value my time, I don't want to waste it on stuff one already those11:49
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fk_lxfor me it should be clear Project -> person /contact person responsible mapping11:51
sledgesim not student either; there is an overhead in oss projects for double work, but if you concentrate on nemo as the awesomnest playground for ui/mobile innovation, you know how to tackle it without headache or too many complaints11:51
fk_lxfor now it's completely unclear who takes care of what11:51
sledgesfk_lx: we had mapping on ui components - became a mess. "scratch your itch" is the best approach in such projects, and we had rip roaring time communicating here about glacier11:52
fk_lxsledges: not everyone wants to play with UI11:52
faenilfk_lx, again, if you spent 10% of the time you spent complaining on IRC coding..11:53
faenilit's not a11:53
faenilbout lack of time11:53
sledgesi've known mw people here (rcg) - his qca got accepted into mw, happy times11:53
sledgesand thank him very much too for that Qt5 port11:53
sledgesdon't say it was as easy as UI, but now it's in mw11:54
sledgesand (OT on this channel), waiting to enter sailfish too11:54
fk_lxfaenil: sorry, but you complaining about my valid points is non constructive11:54
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fk_lxfaenil: communication, communication, communication11:54
fk_lxfaenil: inclusiveness, inclusiveness, inclusiveness11:54
faenilfk_lx, all good words, I agree11:54
fk_lxand I don't feel good in current situation11:55
fk_lxthat I expressed on TJC11:55
Venemohey, what's this all about?11:55
fk_lx besides Stskeeps reply there wasn't any reaction from Jolla11:56
sledgespassive aggression: submit PR, wait weeks, complain11:56
faenilVenemo, read channel log from half an hour ago :P11:56
Venemocan you summarize please?11:56
faenilVenemo, fk_lx complaining that jolla isn't doing enough for nemo11:56
sledgesactive collaboration: submit PR, wait couple of days, understand that people who can accept are busy, poke w00t, get PR accepted; if it delays, you'll get an apology11:57
faenili.e. to make it easy to contribute to nemo11:57
w00tsledges: hey, you can get too poked now - you've got the same rights :P11:57
Venemooh, the same old stuff11:57
VenemoI thought we've been through this already11:58
sledgesevery community (involving companies like jolla) has it's ways, and the ones that survive are the ones that adapt11:58
fk_lxfaenil: sorrry but you are MISTATING what I said11:58
sledgessurely, mutually11:58
fk_lxfaenil: I said Jolla taken over Nemo11:58
faenilfk_lx, okay sorry, feel free to rephrase :D11:59
faenilVenemo, yes we've been through this multiple times11:59
fk_lxfaenil: it does contirubute a lot, but doesn't do enough to involve those outiside Jolla - no communication, no TODOs, no roadmaps11:59
sledgesw00t: that's right ;)11:59
* Aard tries to not ignore nemo pull requests as well12:00
Venemofk_lx: do you mean "Jolla took over ..." or "Jolla has taken over ..."? what you said doesn't really make sense12:00
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo: for fk_lx Jolla controls Nemo development, and it is hard(er ?) for external devs to get involved in12:01
Sfiet_Konstantinno communcation is a key factor here12:01
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can easily do the same work that a dev at jolla is doing, submit a PR and see that the PR was already accepted by someone else12:01
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: that's exactly the key point12:01
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: what you just said12:01
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: and to me it's important, not just only fruitless complaining12:02
Venemookay, and what do you suggest as a solution?12:02
faenilVenemo, the p12:02
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: the p ?12:03
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat kind of solution is this ? :D12:03
fk_lxVenemo: my suggestions are on TJC12:03
fk_lxVenemo: I wrote there very clearly what should be done in 2 answers-type posts12:04
Venemoyes, so the problem is solved and we can all go home12:06
Venemogreat work fk_lx :)12:06
fk_lxVenemo: not it's not solved - I've only highlighted problem and ways to fix it12:07
Venemoso why is it not solved?12:08
Venemoif we know the solution, doesn't that mean that it's solved?12:08
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fk_lxVenemo: nope, the fact that you know disease and know the medicine for it it doesn't solve the problem12:10
fk_lxVenemo: you must apply that medicine12:10
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Venemofk_lx: okay, go ahead and apply it12:15
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fk_lxVenemo: did you read the post?12:17
fk_lxVenemo: both ones12:17
Venemofk_lx: if you refer to the two of your co-creation posts on together, then yes12:17
VenemoI read them when you wrote them12:17
fk_lxVenemo: ok, then it's about steps Jolla should take to give a chance to involved more people12:18
VenemoI see12:18
fk_lxVenemo: and I'm not Jolla ;-)12:19
fk_lxVenemo: I didn't taken over Nemo ;-)12:19
Venemosorry but that doesn't mean anything12:20
Venemoplease learn some grammar12:20
Venemoyou can say "I didn't take over" or "I haven't taken over", but what you said doesn't have any meaning12:20
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fk_lxVenemo: I meant the second, sorry for mistake12:22
Venemono problem, I'm here to help :)12:23
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fk_lxyou really guys don't see the problem that all the time people involved are the same ones, that came from Maemo/Meego circles12:25
fk_lxI would like to know what Android developer joined the effort of contributing12:25
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fk_lxthe thing is that there is a bubble of Maemo/Meego, and everyone who is new or outside of it, feels lost12:26
faenilfk_lx, if you contributed, you would have taken over nemo as well12:26
Morpog_Jollai've seen a few fresh faces, like giucam or zbenjamin12:26
faenilMorpog_Jolla, and krnlyng ? and filip__ ?12:27
faenilpeople who come, ask for what needs to be done, contribute12:27
fk_lxnope, these are people who have N912:27
faeniland try to live happily12:27
fk_lxshow me people who don't have N9/N95012:27
krnlynghiho :)12:27
fk_lxyou see this community does not expand beyonds it's borders12:28
Venemofk_lx: do you mean "its borders"? (without an apostrophe)12:28
fk_lxif we someone knew it's someone who was N9/N950/N900 user12:28
fk_lxVenemo: yes12:28
Venemofk_lx: ok12:28
fk_lxVenemo: when I type fast I make mistakes ;-)12:28
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Venemofk_lx: no worries12:29
fk_lxJolla community = Maemo + Meego community former devs or users12:29
Venemothat is not really true12:29
Venemothere are plenty of new faces on the mailing list and on IRC too12:29
fk_lxVenemo: which of them don't have N9/N95012:30
fk_lxVenemo: or N90012:30
fk_lxVenemo: examples please12:30
Venemothere are those people who compliment it and come from android12:31
fk_lxVenemo: please give me example of 5 people from mailing list, that didn't have N9/N95012:31
fk_lxVenemo: or N90012:31
Venemoand there are those who are quite new to the community like AL13N or msknight or most of the guys chatting on #jollamobile now12:32
Venemojust read the mailing list and see how many people say they're beginners to this whole thing12:32
fk_lxVenemo: msknight already left - if you read her blog12:32
fk_lxVenemo: beginngers as devs, but they were previously N9/N900 users12:33
faenilthis is getting ridicolous.12:33
fk_lxVenemo: show me completely new people, not coming from N9/N900 users12:33
faenilfk_lx, so, first of all, what is your expected android users percentage?12:33
Venemofk_lx: I can't ask everybody if they have Nxxx devices, BUT I can see that there are plenty of new faces.12:34
fk_lxfaenil: if you comment all the thing I say as ridicolous, then probably we won't find common points12:35
faenilfk_lx, we already have the common points, you just fail to come towards the center12:35
fk_lxit's easiest to laugh from someone, or say he says ridicolous things12:35
faenilfk_lx, oh please.12:36
faenilEnough, I have an exam in two days and I feel like talking to a wall12:36
faenilI'm off12:36
fk_lxand now I'm being compared to wall12:37
fk_lxjust show me when in this conversations above I've compared someone to wall, said that someone said something ridicolous or laughed12:38
fk_lxthat's really not the way dialog should be conducted12:38
fk_lxStskeeps: ^12:38
* fk_lx goes away12:38
tbrsheeesh, guys12:38
tbrall of you, cut it, sit down, calm down, chill out12:39
faenilfk_lx, you know I'd stay here discussing, as usual, but I really have to study and this discussing is not ending anytime soon.12:40
faenilthat's it12:40
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krnlyngis somebody interested in setting up a android chroot on his phone? maybe someone with wayland/X11 experience who can help me with later bits?12:59
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faenilkrnlyng, cool! I'd like to try :) but too busy with studies atm :/ I could spend some time on it during weekend, maybe (but still, not much :/ )13:00
faenilkrnlyng, which phone btw :D13:01
krnlyngfaenil: doesn't matter which, you need a copy of android and you should be able to compile a kernel for your device13:03
krnlyngand maybe the android build environment to patch a few things13:03
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faenilkrnlyng, ah so an aosp or cm device anyway13:04
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krnlyngfaenil: a copy of nitdroid will work too, what device do you have?13:13
faenilkrnlyng, then I need the n950 :)13:14
faenilkrnlyng, n950, jolla, and a few bb10s (which are out of the equation unfortunately due to their security)13:14
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Sfiet_Konstantinhi guys again !16:13
* Sfiet_Konstantin is lazy and don't want to code today :/16:20
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qwazixfaenil, I have to finish a project @work by tomorrow, and then probably I'll sleep for a couple of days straight, but after that I think I'll be around more19:39
* Stskeeps offers qwazix finnish vodka to make him sleep better19:39
qwazixStskeeps, no, not now, but I'll take your offer for tomorrow evening :P19:40
qwazixor else "there will be bugs" :)19:40
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faenilqwazix, cool :) good luck with the project!20:37
qwazixthx :)20:37
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sandy_lockeo/ peops21:27
sandy_lockehappy new year21:27
sledgeshappy new year :)21:27
sandy_locke(yeah I know I'm late)21:27
sledgesbetter later than later than that ^_^21:28
sandy_lockehow are you sledges ?21:28
sandy_lockehave you spent some holidays lately ?21:28
sledgesim good good, how's you been?21:28
sledgeswant back home21:28
sandy_lockeam ok21:28
sledgesfor good family and food times :)21:28
sandy_lockeyeah, food time :P21:29
sandy_lockehave we progressed with nemo ?21:29
sandy_lockeI must admit I did, well, nothing ^^21:29
sledgesnot much progress, everyone's into their jollas now :)21:30
sandy_lockeI see, ofc21:30
sandy_lockethey must be enjoying it21:30
sandy_lockelucky b...21:31
sledgeswhere's yours? ;D21:31
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sandy_lockeyeah, I kinda have that face :P21:33
sandy_lockeI'm waiting either that Sailfish goes out of beta, either a jolla 2.021:34
sandy_lockeI'm pleased by what I have right now (N9 has still some love, at least until now)21:35
* sledges nods21:37
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Morpog_MobileFired up my n9 yesterday, was shocked how laggy it is.....21:51
sledgesi sadly had to say bye bye to harmattan last summer (usb port broke), and since then used it only for nemo. lately booted back to harma and have to agree with Morpog_Mobile :/21:53
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faeniljavispedro, o/22:08
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faenilhow you doing :)22:09
javispedronice -- I assume you're going to fosdem? :)22:10
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faeniljavispedro, yeah :D gotta love ryanair :D22:11
javispedroI'm pondering it, but tilting towards 'yes'22:11
faeniloh come ooon :)22:11
javispedrohave quite busy months22:11
faenilI see...22:11
faenilit would be cool to meet :)22:12
Stskeepsjavispedro: you should come, you can get to argue with me22:12
javispedrobeen a long time since I've seen any maemites :)22:12
faeniljavispedro, I'm not one of those though :p I was on symbian at that time, doing custom firmwares :)22:13
faenilbut yeah, you get to argue with Stskeeps, that alone is worth it :p22:13
javispedrowell, since I won't be bringing any hacks to show around this time...22:13
javispedroI expect everyone to have nice hacks for me to see =)22:13
javispedroj/k -- yeah, I'll come.22:14
faenilwohoo :)22:14
javispedrobtw, anyone has tried xwayland?22:17
javispedroI assume xwayland "as-is" won't work because of weston vs qtwayland, but I'm pondering if someone has made any experiments...22:18
faenilnot that I know, Stskeeps ? ^22:18
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