Thursday, 2014-01-30

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sledgesmo/rn08:51
tbrmooo08:52
tbrit's "friday"! \o/08:52
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sledgestbr: link?09:01
tbrsledges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY009:02
sledgesthanks ;)09:02
sledgeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAFau7OGS1U&t=0m23s09:06
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil, where are you ?09:33
Sfiet_Konstantin:(09:33
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: i made sure to kidnap fk_lx and faenil to have no dissidents on the etherpad09:34
Stskeeps:P09:34
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: :D09:34
Sfiet_Konstantinwanted to just do Nemo stuff09:34
Sfiet_Konstantin(Nemo UI stuff)09:34
Sfiet_Konstantinand wanted to know the state of the header, that's all09:34
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sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: judging by faenil's comments yesterday, he's working on it ;)10:14
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: :)10:14
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, you have no clue the mess I'm doing to get that thing working10:15
Sfiet_Konstantinhey faenil10:16
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Sfiet_KonstantinI have a clue: I know it is a mess10:16
Sfiet_Konstantin:P10:16
faenilnow fighting with anchors, getting weird behaviour when I reset those :(10:17
faenilit's like "wtf, y u no work anchors?"10:17
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: wanna some help ?10:17
Sfiet_Konstantineither push to github or paste ?10:18
faenilwhy not, probably in the afternoon10:18
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, no paste, it's a few files, includes c++ stuff etc10:20
Sfiet_Konstantinok10:21
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faenilit's a timing issue, just think that if I change the order of anchors binding the result changes :/10:23
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: :(10:26
Sfiet_KonstantinI know this10:26
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sledgesqwazix: can qqc and silica co-exist on nemo?11:44
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faenilis that a design or a tech question :D11:54
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sledgestech12:01
faenilsledges, what issue do you think there could be12:03
sledgesmany, but none of them impossible12:03
faenillike?12:04
sledgesfrom piratepad i got the impression that it's an impossible job though12:04
sledgesso i wanted to see if i'm wrong12:04
faenilI don't see any issue actually12:04
faenilI mean, they could be relying on something which is only on sailifhs12:05
faenilthen that's a problem12:05
jukkaeklundanybody tried cordova-qt on nemo recently?12:05
sledgesfaenil: ok so silica (which is open btw) can be on nemo, but that doesn't mean sailfish apps will run12:15
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sledgesupdated pp12:30
sledgeshttp://piratepad.net/SailfishOSContributionAndDevelopment12:30
sledgesjukkaeklund: nope :)12:32
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jukkaeklundsledges, thanks :/12:35
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alinsledges: i suspect your instructions will be something on the line cm + libhybris for nexus 513:09
alindoes one need cm 10?13:10
alteregoalin: if you look at our public repos mer-hybris on github, it shows kinda what we're working with there.13:14
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alinall I see seem to be based on cm10... for nexus 5 there is only cm1114:43
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faenilqwazix, Sfiet_Konstantin ping15:40
alteregoalin: I don't know anyone in the community with an N5 ;)15:42
alteregoI was contemplating getting one myself.15:42
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: pong15:43
Sfiet_Konstantinwas (is) sleeping15:43
faenilSfiet_Konstantin,np :)15:43
faenilsleep :)15:43
faeniland sorry :D15:43
Sfiet_Konstantinbeware I'm still dizzy and won't reply correctly15:44
Sfiet_Konstantinnaaa, need to wake / get up15:44
faenilokay :p15:44
Sfiet_KonstantinI virtually spent the whole day sleeping :(15:44
faeniljust thinkg, do you remember if you could change "tools" of a Page in harmattan?15:44
faenilI think you couldn't, and I can't find the code which does that (in case you could)15:44
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can15:44
faenilI mean, change them after you've set them15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinthat was the thing: you used to change the tools page in harmattan to change tools15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinyes, you can15:45
faenilit seems you can only set them once, when you push the page15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinthis was done specifically15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinwell I don't say that this used to work though :P15:45
faenilso you had to change the page..15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinno, there were tricks iirc15:45
faenilyeah but anyway15:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbut you could change the tools, I'm pretty sure15:46
faenilnot officially15:46
faenilI only need the official behavior15:46
Sfiet_Konstantinthe official was one page = one set of tools15:46
faenilok, good15:46
faenilthanks15:46
Sfiet_Konstantintools was a property of page and iirc the tools were pushed when the page was pushed15:46
faenilyes, yes15:46
Sfiet_Konstantinand IIRC there were one global root toolbar15:47
Sfiet_Konstantin(imo)15:47
Sfiet_Konstantindidn't studied the code15:47
faenilI read it and couldn't find the code handling the tools change15:47
faenilbecause it's not there :D15:47
artemmalucky you. /me spent most of the day having hard rape sex with new twitter cards. Most of the time as a victim. World of nemo looks so logical and pleasantly supported after it15:47
faenillol15:47
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: what's the prob lem with twitter cards ?15:47
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: they just suck and virtually not debuggable :)15:48
faenilartemma, btw, remember to push to nemo if you code something which could be useful for homescreen/apps/whatever15:48
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: ah yeah, I know15:48
Sfiet_Konstantinof course15:48
Sfiet_Konstantinsocial network stuff is most of the time deal with it15:48
Sfiet_Konstantinand no support15:48
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: *new* twitter cards are times worse. They *sort of* add interactivity, but to use it you have to sacrifice your first born and walk 20 miles in the iron shoes. Ah yeah, and fight the dragon15:49
artemmafaenil: my skills are not high enough15:49
faenilartemma, BS, sorry :p15:49
Sfiet_Konstantinwhen writing Friends, I found quite nice and interesting behaviour from facebook APIs15:49
artemma@faenil: I can provide feedback and wishes, but I guess you have plenty of it already15:49
faenilartemma, no, you can provide code :)15:50
Sfiet_Konstantinthe most recent: comments that sometimes takes the offset in account and sometimes no15:50
faenilyou don't have to think you're not up to the task ;)15:50
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: it is not a problem of skills, everybody have skills :)15:50
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: you are right, it's more about motivation15:50
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: you know changing a typo is not about skills, still it is a contribution15:50
artemmafaenil: can you provide ETA on when code could be in consumer Jolla devices if code is good?15:50
artemmathat would influence me :)15:50
Sfiet_Konstantinand it makes you learn the project15:51
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: what kind of code ?15:51
faenilartemma, well, nothing of Nemo UI is ending in sailfish, only middleware stuff is shared15:51
faeniland core15:51
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: but artemma can contribute in core :)15:52
artemmaso far .me wants to change one thing: it's pretty bad for my quick launcher that "Loading.." animation is fully inside lipstick and without external API. Also seems to have zero link to whether app is actually being started15:52
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faenilartemma, if that's in homescreen, it's closedsource.15:52
artemmaso apps launched from 3rd party launcher like my quick launcher.. are not visible in task manager at all until fully started15:52
artemma@faenil: it's public lipstick code15:52
faenilok, then change it, make pull request, and have people review it :)15:52
artemmaI'd need some architecture discussion first15:53
faenilw00t is probably your best bet15:53
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: I guess that some people are available to do that15:53
Sfiet_Konstantinyep, was thinking of w00t too15:53
artemmaopening up API for 3rd party launcher to show "Loading.."… real cool solution would actually notice that some app is being started and showed Loading.. as a result, but I have little idea how to track it15:54
artemmawell.. you can watch all the processes in the system and if some of them is the main one of some registered app… maybe, but it's hard [to me]15:54
Yanielthe problem is15:57
Yanielhow does it know it is a UI application15:57
faenilYaniel, it's all about windows15:59
faenilcompositor creates a window, lipstick shows it15:59
faenil(if it's not filtered out by the rules defined)15:59
faenilactually app creates a window16:00
faenilcompositor knows about it, and homescreen shows the new window16:01
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sledgesartemma: /usr/bin/invoker can show loading splashscreens - wonder how this is implemented18:44
artemmasledges: that can be useful (and maybe works), but that's different18:45
artemmaIMHO Loading.. card is shown way earlier18:45
artemmaLike several seconds earlier18:45
artemmaor maybe it's a symptom of splashscreen not working18:45
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artemmaactually.. actually there are no jolla instructions for splashscreens and I seem to have subtle memories abt somebody telling there should be nothing about splashscreens in *.desktop for salifish18:46
sledgesscrap the splashscreens18:46
sledgeswhat i mean is that invoker knows when to show splashscreen, and most importantly, when to remove it18:47
sledgesit might just be using a timeout18:48
sledgesjolla launcher might do the same - the app appears when it appears18:48
sledgestoday i discovered an awesome feature of jolla launcher: you launch the camera to film for a long time, and at the moment of launch, homescreen returns to app-switcher and up - to show you the battery remaining ;) very useful18:49
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sledgessplit second, but enough to notice18:49
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Morpog_PCsledges, how could you miss that?19:06
Morpog_PCit's the same view as when you peek19:07
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sledgesMorpog_PC: yes it is, importantly it jumps to that view as soon as you launch an app - so you don't have to peek later19:13
Morpog_PCyeah, I know ;)19:13
Morpog_PCi like it too19:13
sledges;)19:14
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artemmaDo you do debugging with timestamps, guys?20:36
artemmaI am trying to inject timestamp to qDebug() via qInstallMessageHandler, but std::count seems to print to nowhere :/20:37
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faenilartemma, don't know :/20:42
faenilthere is an env var which stores the message format20:43
artemma@faenil: timestamp is not an option there20:43
faenilmm ok20:43
artemmadamned, qDebug() prints somehow after all20:43
artemmait's a pity I can't make debugging work in sailfish sdk20:43
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faenilartemma, http://qtway.blogspot.it/2009/11/persistent-logging-for-debug-purpose.html20:44
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faenildid you see that20:45
artemma@faenil: i did and I did same in the past, but this time I don't want to print to file20:45
artemmawant to just log timestamps with message in many places to see how much speedup I get after a new feature is done20:45
artemmaoh well, maybe its faster to manually inject timestamps in these several places..20:46
artemmaprogrammer iside me still wants a common solution20:46
faenil:)20:46
faenilartemma, so first things first, are you flushing?20:47
artemmaprobably not20:47
artemma@faenil: flushing helped! thanks!20:50
faenilartemma, :) great20:50
faenilif you're using printf the "\n" it should flush after printing "\n"20:50
faenils/the "\n"//20:50
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artemmaon device QML console.logs somehow do not go through the same qDebug() message handler as C++ messages. On emulator the do. Why?21:31
artemmaI'd like both logging ways to go through same message handler for injecting timestamps21:31
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faenilmm21:38
artemmato my understanding console.log is implemented via qDebug, so if it doesn't work, it means that.. it uses some other instance of qDebug()?21:39
artemmaI give up, will just print time in few most important places21:48
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faenilartemma, try have a look https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtdeclarative/source/845f8eedb8c52fe1285f40a1478e45597e224c8a:src/qml/qml/v8/qqmlbuiltinfunctions.cpp#L16021:51
artemmadoesn't tell much to me21:51
artemmawell, apparently it instantiates own logger21:51
artemmaapparently v8 on device is somehow more release build or something like this and doesn't link to main program logger somehow21:52
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artemma@faenil: I built my own dummy cpp logging class and injected instance via qmlRegisterSingletonType22:22
faenilartemma, yeah that can do :)22:22
artemmathis way everything goes throw the same qDebug(), but I need to change all console.log to TLog.log22:22
faenilyeah22:22
faenileasy peasy22:22
faenilreplace all :D22:22
artemmaI would prefer just working with same qdebug though22:23
* artemma spent some 2-3 hours on building single time logging for measuring performance improve for the feature he has now no time to build. Programmer syndrome definitely22:25
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faenil:D22:31
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