Thursday, 2014-03-13

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Sfiet_Konstantinmorning guys12:59
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: rather good afternoon, or is it still morning in France? :-P (ah, those timezones)13:00
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Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: hehe :D13:00
Sfiet_KonstantinI consider morning as when you start your day on IRC13:01
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Sfiet_Konstantindigging around making a build target for nemo in SailfishSDK13:01
Sfiet_KonstantinI wonder if you can use SailfishSDK build engine to build something for nemo13:01
fk_lxprobablye yes13:02
fk_lxanyway time for me, bye :-)13:02
fk_lxau revoir ;-)13:02
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dr_gogeta86I did a dream13:36
dr_gogeta86but is possible to add a remote modem13:36
dr_gogeta86to nemo mobile13:36
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Sfiet_Konstantinwhaa ?13:42
Sfiet_Konstantinremote modem ?13:42
Stskeepsdr_gogeta86: perhaps a dial-up with a bluetooth connected modem?13:43
locusfmy thoughts exactly13:43
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps, lbt, do you know if there is a ks source file used by Sailfish targets available out there ?13:44
lbtnot yet13:44
Sfiet_Konstantinor a base ks file to build targets for the mer virtualbox sdk ?13:44
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: is <- this totally outdated to be used with sailfish sdk vbox ?13:44
lbtnot totally, no13:45
Sfiet_Konstantinespecially, do you think that you can still use ?13:46
lbtyes - I'm looking for a target ks13:47
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: sorry im not 100% into what you are trying to achieve, but is this not helping: ?13:47
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: more about i48613:47
Sfiet_Konstantinfor emulator13:47
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: ^^13:47
Sfiet_Konstantindo you have a i486 viable Nemo target ?13:48
Sfiet_Konstantinor should I build one ?13:48
sledgesthen again:
locusfSfiet_Konstantin: its a minimal armv7hl target13:48
locusfSfiet_Konstantin: I've got one, probably13:48
locusfor not13:48
locusfI don't remember exactly13:48
locusfah only one target for nemo13:48
Sfiet_Konstantingeez, I sould have asked before searching everywhere :/13:48
lbtSfiet_Konstantin: what exactly do you want to do ?13:49
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: basically same with Sailfish emu, but with Nemo as an emulator instead of Sailfish emu13:49
Sfiet_Konstantinshould be pretty easy but just need to get / build correct images for nemo13:50
lbtyou want a nemo emulator ks ?13:50
lbtto make a vdi eventually ?13:50
dr_gogeta86no no13:50
dr_gogeta86a remote baseband13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: I have something, but don't know if I have all the packages for the emu13:50
dr_gogeta86tunneling serial for controll13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: does the emu needs specific packages ?13:50
dr_gogeta86and audio over a bluetooth channel13:50
lbtSfiet_Konstantin: yes13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: do you have a list ?13:51
lbtif you're aiming for a nemo vdi then that's one thing13:51
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm aiming for a nemo vdi13:51
lbta nemo target to build apps to run on a nemo vdi is another13:51
Sfiet_KonstantinI need both13:51
lbtok - you'll need both eventually13:51
Sfiet_Konstantinboth the target and the vdi13:51
Sfiet_Konstantinhum ... it seems that sledges gave everything I need :/13:54
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks sledges13:54
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locusfSfiet_Konstantin: do you need a hand now, I was just wondering if I should build a i486 target myself too13:54
lbtSfiet_Konstantin: yep - that nemo wayland one looks right13:55
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: I will try to build the target, and will try to install it13:55
Sfiet_Konstantinwill keep you informed13:55
locusfSfiet_Konstantin: roger13:56
lbtif you get something working then I can add it to an automated image/target build list13:56
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: i thought you need something more advanced to integrate with sailfish sdk13:57
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Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: I first need a target13:57
Sfiet_Konstantinsomething I can build packages with13:57
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe something more advanced afterwards13:58
sledgesgood :)13:59
sledgesStskeeps: dr_gogeta86 meant to say: can ofono support dual sim? and can this be tested on jolla (but introducing a 2nd modem somehow)14:01
Stskeepssledges: if it shows up as multiple modems14:01
Stskeepswhich it will14:01
dr_gogeta86a sort of14:01
sledgesdr_gogeta86: even if it's doable, UI is not ready for this yet (ofc)14:02
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dr_gogeta86apart ui ....14:04
Wntmaybe one could build a multisim otherhalf and modify the backend that takes care of accessing the sim-card to support communicating with sim-cards through the i2c bus14:04
dr_gogeta86you need a separate baseband14:04
dr_gogeta86and i2c audiocard ... i think is a bit slow14:04
dr_gogeta86just for signaling is ok14:05
dr_gogeta86but audio mumble muble14:05
dr_gogeta86better bridge via bluetooth14:05
Sfiet_Konstantindependencies hell, hello :)14:05
dr_gogeta86wellcome to the machine Sfiet_Konstantin14:05
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Sfiet_Konstantinafter a lot of tweaks: building an image ... let's see how it goes14:20
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sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: this probably would have saved you some time ^_^
Sfiet_Konstantinwe should have a community landing page about all this14:28
Sfiet_Konstantintime to test the target image ...14:35
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Sfiet_Konstantinhi simon14:42
simonhave a question about exchanging lipstick with another UI app. I did adjust lipstick.service replacing ExecStart with  my app, but...14:42
simon...when booting black screen appears.14:42
simonwhen i killall my app i restarts again just ok.14:43
simonis there a trick, maybe some signals i have to send to some background processes to do some things?14:43
simoni looked into lipstick code and there are some dbus signals to timed and duihome, but would it really be it?14:44
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Sfiet_Konstantinwoow, too fast for me14:46
Sfiet_Konstantintried using journalctl to debug ?14:46
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Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe you didn't launch your app with the correct Qt platform plugin14:46
simonhmm, did not try to debug with journalctl - i will look into that. What do you mean by correct Qt platform plugin?14:47
Sfiet_Konstantinyourapp -platform wayland / eglfs etc ?14:48
simonit is still namo with xorg14:49
simonthe app itself work fine, just at boot there is this black screen.14:49
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Sfiet_Konstantinsimon: hum ...14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinso there is a compositor14:50
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Sfiet_Konstantinis your app displayed ?14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinsimon: can you launch your app after boot ?14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinvia ssh for example ?14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe your app is starting before compositor (mcompositor ?)14:51
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simonSfiet_Konstantin: well, I just substituted lipstick thinking it would be enough.14:51
Sfiet_Konstantinsimon: I don't knpow honestly14:52
Sfiet_Konstantinsimon: try suystemctl first14:52
Sfiet_Konstantinit can help14:52
simonno problem i will try to debug, thanks for the hint.14:52
Sfiet_Konstantinsimon: :)14:52
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simonSfiet_Konstantin: hi there again, just wanted to give some feedback. The app is starting just fine, it just takes ages/about a minute to bring it back, i guess there are some processes to start first, for whatever reason.15:03
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simonI think lipstick is waiting for some signals to send some in exchange.15:03
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Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinsimon: you know I'm not so sure15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe you should do a trace of what apps are started and how much time it takes15:04
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Sfiet_Konstantinthere is a software tjhat gives a plot about this15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinbut i forgot the name15:04
simonthere is also systemd-analyze15:05
simoni will try them15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinmy wild guess: your app do not emit the correct signal ("I'm loaded"), so it blocks something15:06
Sfiet_KonstantinI think that you can remove lipstick and it shouldn't interfere with other stuff15:06
Sfiet_Konstantin(wild guess)15:06
simonyou mean sd_notify(0, "READY=1");15:06
simonit does :D15:06
simonat least i think it does15:06
Sfiet_Konstantinsimon: I'm not an expert in systemd sorry :$15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinjust giving hints here15:08
simonme neither ;)15:08
simonany hint is important15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: do you know what means: in target adding15:09
Sfiet_Konstantinmy target image contains qmake (qt5 version)15:09
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DeformatHello, is Hurrian around?15:11
DeformatOr Morpog, or just about amyone who knows how the design process works around here xD15:12
Deformat(more precisely, how do they connect)15:12
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_Jolla_: ^15:13
Sfiet_KonstantinHurrian: ^15:13
Morpog_Jolla_best wpuld be qwazix15:15
Morpog_Jolla_but ask anyway15:16
DeformatWell, added qwazix on Twitter.15:16
Deformatqwazix: ^15:16
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Sfiet_KonstantinDeformat: note that qwazix is not often here15:18
DeformatAh, I see.15:18
DeformatThat would explain a lot xD15:19
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Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: ping15:21
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: heard about ?15:21
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sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: does this work `sb2 -t nemo-n950 -m sdk-install -R`15:36
sledges(to enter the matri... erm the target!)15:36
sledgesDeformat: what is your question? ;)15:36
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: I think I know the source of the problem15:36
Sfiet_Konstantinqt5-default might be my saviour15:36
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: building yet another target15:37
DeformatHow the people around the design part connect15:37
DeformatBesides IRC15:37
Sfiet_KonstantinDeformat: IRC15:37
DeformatAnd what would Hurrian 's twitter would be15:38
Deformat(if he works on Glacier)15:38
Morpog_Jolla_qwazix reads the log here usually15:39
Morpog_Jolla_hurrian too i think15:39
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Deformatoh well15:40
sledgesi ping them on twitter for a question or two15:40
sledgesbut for a discussion, invite them here15:40
sledgesHurrian = @imblying on twitter15:40
DeformatI'd want to speak with them about icons. Had some ideas.15:42
sledgesDeformat: this is community's effort , let me find you a couple of links15:44
Sfiet_KonstantinDeformat: best: showcase on a blog or somewhere :)15:44
Sfiet_Konstantintweet them to qwazix Hurrian Morpog_Jolla_ etc15:44
sledgesdiscussions are open15:45
sledgesMorpog_Jolla_ is crazy about icons too15:45
DeformatAh, well, I guess I could use deviantArt15:45
sledgesand us mere developers also have an opinion, if things start look completely out of this planet sometimes ;)15:45
DeformatI know xD15:45
DeformatTomorrow most likely I'll put something up and show it off15:46
sledgesso feel free to discuss with whoever is up for discussion on here15:46
DeformatYeah. :D15:46
sledgesqwazix is our design lead, but that also means he puts us back on track if we derail15:46
sledges^ links from our early days of Nemo in mailing list discussions15:47
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: it is not design by commitee though15:47
sledgesthat's how we roll :)15:47
Sfiet_Konstantinwe have a lead15:47
sledgessorry, braindumped to fast ;)15:48
Morpog_Jolla_I'm sure qwazix could give you an user for his blog too15:48
Morpog_Jolla_so you can present stuff15:49
Sfiet_Konstantinyaaaay target built <3<315:51
Sfiet_Konstantinnow let's test it :)15:51
Sfiet_KonstantinI meant: target registered :)15:51
DeformatI guess. But first to present stuff :p15:51
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locusfSfiet_Konstantin: nope, never had that pop up16:11
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: I fixed the issue16:11
Sfiet_Konstantinthe repos are not right16:11
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Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: ping16:26
locusfSfiet_Konstantin: pong16:26
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: how do you distribute images ?16:27
locusfSfiet_Konstantin: magnet links16:27
locusfor dropbox16:27
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe we should use something else than magnet / dropbox16:27
Sfiet_Konstantinthis is a bit sad16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinwhy don't we use etc ?16:28
locusfor ping tbr to mirror16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinah :)16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthis sounds better16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: I successfully built a target image for sailfish SDK16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinnow, the emulator16:28
locusfI dunno, I haven't gotten the access to the infrastructure16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinafterwards, I will be happy :)16:28
locusfSfiet_Konstantin: nice16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks for your blog btw16:28
Sfiet_KonstantinI compiled the qqcn, and it compiled16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinnow trying to package16:29
Sfiet_KonstantinI start to like this sailfish SDK more and more16:29
Sfiet_Konstantinif it allows me to do nemo dev, I will me so happy16:29
locusfexcellent :)16:29
locusfdeploy to device as well :)16:29
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bencoh"maybe we should use something else than magnet / dropbox" definitely :)16:34
locusfping lbt, did you get my ssh key you wanted :) ?16:34
Sfiet_Konstantinbencoh: I have seen this nickname somewhere16:35
Sfiet_Konstantinare you french ?16:35
Sfiet_Konstantinout of curiosity16:35
bencohSfiet_Konstantin: yeah, I am who you think I am16:35
Sfiet_Konstantinfunny that we keep meeting each other16:35
Sfiet_Konstantinqt5-qtquickcontrols-nemo-qt5-qtquickcontrols-nemo-examples-5.1.0-nemo1.i586.rpm < this don't looks good16:36
Sfiet_Konstantinright, now an emulator image16:36
tbrlocusf / Sfiet_Konstantin - yes?16:39
locusftbr: Sfiet_Konstantin has an image for you to mirror in a while16:39
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: it is not really fully ready16:39
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a bit fat16:39
Sfiet_Konstantinbut lbt, do you think that at some point you will be able to host an image ?16:40
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qwazixI'm sorry I won't be very responsive today, still @work and will be for a couple of hours more :-(16:56
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: good luck16:56
Sfiet_Konstantinread the backlogs16:56
qwazixTomorrow or during the weekend I'll have some more time, hopefully16:56
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, thanks I will.16:57
qwazixbye for now16:57
sledgesin short: Deformat has got some icons for us to show soon :)16:57
sledgeso/ qwazix, all the best16:57
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qwazixsledges, thx16:58
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lbtSfiet_Konstantin: no problem doing that17:27
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Sfiet_Konstantinemulator built, but ... cannot ssh18:40
locusfthats a bummer18:40
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: I don't understand why it isn't working18:43
locusfssh -vvv ?18:43
Sfiet_Konstantinit seems to be stucked18:44
Sfiet_Konstantinrebooting with 2224 as port18:44
Sfiet_Konstantin locusf18:45
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat do you think about this18:45
locusfwell the tcp side is alive at least18:45
locusfconnection established18:46
locusfnot sure about the latter part18:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I don't know what is happening in the other side18:46
locusfrun sshd without forking and with -d18:46
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locusfsshd -D -ddd18:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbind to port 22 on :: failed: Address already in use18:48
locusfprobably wanna kill that18:49
Sfiet_Konstantinno found18:50
Sfiet_Konstantineven stoppped sshd.service18:50
locusfstill failing to bind?18:50
Sfiet_Konstantinthis is strange18:50
locusfnetstat -antpl|grep ssh18:51
locusfssh problems are something quite stupid in the end when it all works18:51
Sfiet_Konstantinone sec18:51
locusfits probably just a hitched config18:52
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm not good at configuring ssh :(18:52
locusfits ok I'll help in any way possible18:53
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: nothing's returned with netstat ...18:53
locusfhmm wtf18:53
locusfgrep 2218:54
Sfiet_Konstantintcp 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 1/init18:54
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's weired18:54
locusfwhaa, init listening on 2218:54
locusfthats new18:54
Sfiet_Konstantinsystemctl status sshd.service: inactive dead (from fresh start)18:54
Sfiet_Konstantinyep init listen to 2218:55
Sfiet_KonstantinI like it18:55
phaeronsystemd socket activation18:55
Sfiet_Konstantinphaeron: how come that it conflicts with ssh ?18:55
locusfphaeron: excuse me?18:55
Sfiet_Konstantinshould we use ssh to route in a different port ?18:55
locusfdifferent port works in that case18:56
locusfnever seen that before18:56
Sfiet_Konstantingo port 2318:56
locusflol telnet18:56
phaeronI don't know the context but init == systemd , which listens on a socket and will activate the service when a request hits the socket18:57
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever, ssh don't get activated ...18:57
Sfiet_Konstantindaemon starts on 2318:59
Sfiet_Konstantinbut don't want to connect18:59
Sfiet_KonstantinI think that the config are wrong19:00
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virtualdcheck /var/log/auth.log /var/log/daemon.log19:03
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Sfiet_Konstantinvirtuald: I checked journal and nothing19:06
Sfiet_Konstantinwill check /var/log/auth.log19:06
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locusftry restarting sshd via systemctl and then check19:09
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: hihi19:09
locusfdid you mod the port in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?19:09
Sfiet_Konstantinping network is unreachable :D19:10
locusfhmm that explains too19:10
Sfiet_KonstantinI wonder why there is no interfaces19:10
locusftry rebooting?19:13
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe I messed with vbox network config19:14
Sfiet_Konstantinworking now19:18
locusfnice, what was wrong?19:18
Sfiet_Konstantinneeded to set to the correct network in vbox19:18
Sfiet_Konstantinand ifconfig eth0 up and :)19:19
locusfgood :)19:19
Sfiet_Konstantinnow, creating the emulator19:20
Sfiet_Konstantinand try deploy19:20
Sfiet_Konstantintomorrow afternoon: wiki19:20
Sfiet_Konstantinalright, missing 2-3 params in the ssh config19:34
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing hard19:34
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dr_gogeta86hi sledges23:36
dr_gogeta86did you know about room service  for bin blobs ?23:36
dr_gogeta86an examble23:36
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sledgesdr_gogeta86: what is your specific question?23:38
dr_gogeta86the ability to inject binaries without extract it by the phone23:39
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dr_gogeta86from public repos23:39
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sledgesif you have them on the phone via preceeding android ROM (CM in our case), you will have them there safe already23:59
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